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    Quote Originally Posted by wango View Post
    I agree with much of what you said, particularly about vaccines and flu. Covid, like the flu is a coronavirus and will mutate. However just like the 1918 flu mutated 3 separate times in one prolonged season, Covid may do the same. There already is a new strain that is considered far more contagious. Heck, thereís a chance that already this vaccine can be rendered less effective.

    However to yourself and others who have had it, you can possibly get it again. In the 1918 flu it was reported that people got sick for each of the three waves.

    I too am not ant-vaccine, however, Iím not taking it as the long term effects have not been researched. I know exactly how I can catch Covid and my odds of hospitalization/death, why risk it.

    My original point of whatís wrong with people is that we almost hit 4,000 deaths yesterday and the numbers will likely climb. Coincidentally 4 million people flew during Thanksgiving and I believe thatís almost doubled for Christmas. 500 doses of vaccine being destroyed by that individual is criminal, but in light of what we are seeing and will continue to see because of gatherings/travel during the holidays is peanuts imo.
    Oh yeah, this time of year was bound to be completely stupid, no matter what. In the early days, people were warbling about a mid-summer second wave, while ignoring that this shit always gets worse during the end of fall/beginning of winter.
    A: immune systems tend to be compromised in majority population during winter due to significantly reduced sun exposure.
    B: idiots just gotta cram themselves together ďbecause traditionĒ or some such nonsense.
    C: western populations tend to double down on their already dogshit eating and lifestyle habits this time of year.

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    Perfectly healthy nurse is the first confirmed vaccine body bag....


    https://www.rt.com/news/511524-portu...fizer-vaccine/

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    Quote Originally Posted by redz View Post
    Perfectly healthy nurse is the first confirmed vaccine body bag....


    https://www.rt.com/news/511524-portu...fizer-vaccine/
    Nothing in that article says her death was from the vaccine.

    And so you know...

    Over 14 million people have been vaccinated and you are scared of 1 possible death....



    https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

    NOTE: If you take a population of 14,000,000 people and assume an average life span of 75 years...
    511 people will die every day...

    Let me repeat that, 511 people dieing everyday is expected in a group of 14,000,000 people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redz View Post
    Perfectly healthy nurse is the first confirmed vaccine body bag....


    https://www.rt.com/news/511524-portu...fizer-vaccine/
    Oh come on man. I can count at least two people on this board who died within a very short period of starting a cycle. Thatís double the deaths in a much smaller population. Better make sure you never pin gear again. Shit clearly kills people outright.

    Yes, thatís exactly what that shit sounds like.

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    Now come on now everyone, this article is very illuminating. It clearly stated that she ate dinner the night before she died. Seriously, I wonder if ANYONE EVER has happened to have died after eating dinner.

    Maybe it was an allergic reaction to something she ate? Maybe she threw a blood clot and it clogged a coronary artery unexpectedly. Letís wait for the autopsy before using scare tactics to try to further derail a vaccination that very well may fail simply because the scare tactics will limit the amount of those getting vaccinated. Then, ta-da, everyone can say- see the vaccine really doesnít work. BTW, masks can get you sick, so donít use them - another classic leading to the proliferation of Covid & countless unnecessary deaths.

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    You guys are jokes. Vaccines kill period. Long term it will be worse. I’m done talking about anything related to the covid hoax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redz View Post
    You guys are jokes. Vaccines kill period. Long term it will be worse. I’m done talking about anything related to the covid hoax.
    The smallpox vaccine did indeed kill some people. But far more deaths were postponed than expedited.

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    remember these are just the first off 2 doses.... I’m only sharing information. Draw whatever conclusions you want. I would never get this vaccine.

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    The Miami-Dade Medical Examiner says the death of a South Florida doctor has not been definitively linked to the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine he took weeks earlier.

    https://miami.cbslocal.com/2021/01/0...-investigated/

    Let us know when it is confirmed.

    You are free not to take the vaccine.
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    Coroners are people too.

    Even if a coroner had a corpse in front of him cut open, and if he thought that the vaccine caused the problem that resulted in death, he would probably just sew it up and write 'inconclusive' on the cert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redz View Post
    remember these are just the first off 2 doses.... Iím only sharing information. Draw whatever conclusions you want. I would never get this vaccine.
    So donít take it, itís your right, and thanks for sharing the non-conclusive article.

    You must be a very health conscious individual that takes great pride in treating his body like a temple. Watching unhealthy foods, avoiding nicotine and alcohol (well one glass a day is considered good), exercising, etc. Let me guess, you are especially watchful of other medications (you ever watch those ads on t.v., yikes) or any drugs that could potentially contribute to adverse health affects.

    Iím guessing that your BMI is within the normal range as well, because as you are aware, every pound overweight that you are, your left ventricle must work harder. That leads to an enlarged heat, left ventricle insufficiency and heart disease. And holy cow, while Covid has killed 350,000 this year (that is IF you believe those numbers ) cardiovascular disease doubles that easily EVERY year.

    Congrats on your choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redz View Post
    You guys are jokes. Vaccines kill period. Long term it will be worse. Iím done talking about anything related to the covid hoax.
    This is one of the most laughable things Iíve read on here. Vaccines kill?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tarmyg View Post
    This is one of the most laughable things I’ve read on here. Vaccines kill?
    4000 Americans died yesterday from Covid.

    Maybe, according to an article above, 1 person died from the vaccine. (Note: the article did not say the person died from the vaccine.)

    Even if the vaccine kills... the vaccine will save many, many, many, many, many, many, many more lives than it kills.

    People are free to not take the vaccine...
    Unfortunately that is going to affect everyone else by keeping the virus in circulation and damaging the quality of our lives and the economy.

    I personally look forward to a good maskless martini date with my wife on a Saturday night.
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    For the record, my wife is a 10 year vet nurse, mom is a 20. 3 out of 4 nurses that received a vaccine this week had reactions and bad side effects. They called off work it was fairly serious to miss work they may a shit ton of money...that is no bullshit no news media no bro science this or that take it for what its worth. Will it kill them? I seriously doubt it and deft hope not but there are side effects to the vaccine . Just thought id share

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    I am no doctor.

    Vaccines work by getting your body to create an immune response to the vaccine.
    Yes there are side effects.
    If the vaccine didn't cause some effects in the body then it wouldn't create immunity.

    So I have no doubt that you are telling the truth...
    I would rather miss a day at work then possibly lose my life.

    Being nurses I am sure they have sick pay.
    I don't since I am self employed.

    People are free to do what they want.
    I predict that probably 50% of Americans are in a wait and see mode...
    Let the other 50% get the vaccine and if they don't die then they will get it eventually.

    5-10% of the people are anti-vaxxers and will never get a vaccine.

    If the vaccine proves to be deadly it will soon be very, very obvious.

    Over 14 million worldwide have had it.
    Over 2 million in the US have had it.

    We will know very shortly if there is a pandemic of vaccination deaths.
    I don't think there will be.

    Everyone is free to do what they want.
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    It's normal to have a reaction to a vaccine. The immune response must occur in order to be inoculated... I know personal family members that have received the vaccine and didn't feel anything, and I've read about some that have had mild reactions like lethargy, slight temperature increase, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    I am no doctor.

    Vaccines work by getting your body to create an immune response to the vaccine.
    Yes there are side effects.
    If the vaccine didn't cause some effects in the body then it wouldn't create immunity.

    So I have no doubt that you are telling the truth...
    I would rather miss a day at work then possibly lose my life.

    Being nurses I am sure they have sick pay.
    I don't since I am self employed.

    People are free to do what they want.
    I predict that probably 50% of Americans are in a wait and see mode...
    Let the other 50% get the vaccine and if they don't die then they will get it eventually.

    5-10% of the people are anti-vaxxers and will never get a vaccine.

    If the vaccine proves to be deadly it will soon be very, very obvious.

    Over 14 million worldwide have had it.
    Over 2 million in the US have had it.

    We will know very shortly if there is a pandemic of vaccination deaths.
    I don't think there will be.

    Everyone is free to do what they want.
    Agree Dog, very good points as long as we have freedom of choice its good. I dont agree with some choices folks make but if it isnt effecting me or my family i guess im good, the only exception would be late term abortions i dont agree with that unless it is an absolute medical emergency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    It's normal to have a reaction to a vaccine. The immune response must occur in order to be inoculated... I know personal family members that have received the vaccine and didn't feel anything, and I've read about some that have had mild reactions like lethargy, slight temperature increase, etc.
    Thatís pretty much the exact same thing we see in the actual viral infection as well. Some people get completely fucked up by it (mostly from hyper response from the immune system), most barely suffer at all. Itís almost like the vaccine is trying to accomplish the exact same thing as the virus, just in a controlled manner or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    Thatís pretty much the exact same thing we see in the actual viral infection as well. Some people get completely fucked up by it (mostly from hyper response from the immune system), most barely suffer at all. Itís almost like the vaccine is trying to accomplish the exact same thing as the virus, just in a controlled manner or something.
    That's basically what it is, a controlled exposure. But for people who have a reaction to the vaccine, they probably would have had a worse reaction to the real deal.

    I believe the concentration of the viral infection also matters. People that inhale say 100 viruses vs 100000 are going to likely fair better. It's less of a shock to the immune system, and the problem with this virus stems from how strongly our immune systems respond.
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    Damn, fire-fighters out here have to be bribed to take the vaccine. Got a lot of folks in the medical profession as well that are refusing it.

    And yet, our numbers soar. Oh my, my - the mess that will arise if public schools, colleges & universities make the vaccine mandatory.

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    Didn't we all get vaccines growing up? Every kid in my school got one. I don't remember anyone dying from one. At what point did vaccines become the devil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    Didn't we all get vaccines growing up? Every kid in my school got one. I don't remember anyone dying from one. At what point did vaccines become the devil?
    Off the top of my head - Jennifer McCarthy about 10- 15 years ago. Really fíd the whole vaccine idea up. Itís why I feel Covid vaccines will be an issue this year, particularly with kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    Didn't we all get vaccines growing up? Every kid in my school got one. I don't remember anyone dying from one. At what point did vaccines become the devil?
    I mean, I THOUGHT I was gonna die. A pin in the leg was the most horrible thing to have happened to my four year old ass at that time.
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    I have the option for the vaccine, either Pfizter or Moderna because I am frontline worker. That said, ill pass. You have to sign a waiver to release all liability from the manufacturer. The vaccines life span is somewhere between 8-12 months in your body. We don't know the long term effects, hell we don't even know the short term effects. I carry O positive blood which makes me less susceptible to Covid. I have a 99.9% chance of recovery if I get Covid. Now my dad who's 77 and may have some health issues will get it. I support that. My feeling is the true pandemic in this country is obesity which kills 360k Americans yearly, yet every street corner has an unhealthy food option. I wont even get into the opioid pandemic, more than likely we all know someone hooked on them or have even died from an OD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by warchild View Post
    I have the option for the vaccine, either Pfizter or Moderna because I am frontline worker. That said, ill pass. You have to sign a waiver to release all liability from the manufacturer. The vaccines life span is somewhere between 8-12 months in your body. We don't know the long term effects, hell we don't even know the short term effects. I carry O positive blood which makes me less susceptible to Covid. I have a 99.9% chance of recovery if I get Covid. Now my dad who's 77 and may have some health issues will get it. I support that. My feeling is the true pandemic in this country is obesity which kills 360k Americans yearly, yet every street corner has an unhealthy food option. I wont even get into the opioid pandemic, more than likely we all know someone hooked on them or have even died from an OD.
    Regarding your logic for not vaccinating, agreed. I know many front line workers with a similar concern & refuse as well. I am sure however that you will continue to be particularly careful with your father when you visit. I personally will not vaccinate for similar concerns, however, I have no elderly friends / family that I worry about endangering.

    Regarding obesity, Diabetes 2 and CV disease, yeah I get you. But you donít choose to get Covid going to a grocery store. One does by stepping into McDonalds and pigging out.

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