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03-02-2021, 09:19 AM #1Banned
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Dr. Suess books declared racist. Canceled
For the life of me, having had these books read to me as a child, and having read them to my Three children, I just can't understand how these are inappropriate.
This ridiculous notion of the current administration and the left in general of thinking they need censoring and cancelling shit like Dr. Suess is truly demented.
I just don't understand.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/dr-seuss-...racist-imagery
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03-02-2021, 09:48 AM #2Banned
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This happened under the Trump adminisitration.
The decision to cease publication and sales of the books was made last year after months of discussion, the company told AP.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/dr-seuss-...racist-imagery
Last I checked Biden wasn't in office last year.
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"Dr. Seuss Enterprises listened and took feedback from our audiences including teachers, academics and specialists in the field as part of our review process. We then worked with a panel of experts, including educators, to review our catalog of titles," it said.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/dr-seuss-...racist-imagery
I see no mention of the left.
I do see you blaming Biden and the left.
Do you have any evidence of the Democratic Party's involvement?
Or should we just take your word?
Dr. Seuss Enterprises is free to stop publications of 6 of their books if they wish.
They don't have to get the Right's approval first.Last edited by The Deadlifting Dog; 03-02-2021 at 10:35 AM.
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HELL YES, you have it underlined in red. "teachers, academics and specialists in the field as part of our review process...these are the MFer that are all democrats and want to cancel anything. Could I possibly see how the publisher could make some money off this publicity, yes. But it is right out of the liberal playbook.
And I think it's like national reading day, and without googling it I am pretty sure that it is Dr. Seuss's birthday. Come on man
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03-02-2021, 02:35 PM #9Banned
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03-02-2021, 10:47 AM #10
These things aren't done on a whim. A book publisher would not pull its own books unless they deemed it necessary or saw the implications presented as harmful in some way. It's convenient to blame the "left" for any social justice act, but it's not always the case. I personally don't know which books they are referencing, so I cannot comment on if it is truly racist or not. I don't have a doubt that old children's books and cartoons, primarily developed with the white child/family as its primary audience, have some material that could be insensitive to minorities.
Then again, I do see the hypocrisy with allowing our children access to basically pornographic music videos (hoes dancing in rap videos), and rapping about fucking a white b*tch, selling drugs, etc., but nobody seems to be bothered by that... Since it's black media, Gucci Mane gets a pass, but if it's a white person, it's very controversial. That's why Eminem was so controversial... because he was white. He didn't say anything more controversial than what was already said by X amount of black rappers.
There are always two sides.
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I agree.
I admit it's just an assumption of mine that leftist people are pressuring them to cancel Dr Suess children's books. Because in my opinion, nobody else would do that.
I don't like it. Because I like Dr Suess. I can't think of ever seeing anything offensive in them.
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"Dr. Seuss Enterprises listened and took feedback from our audiences including teachers, academics and specialists in the field as part of our review process. We then worked with a panel of experts, including educators, to review our catalog of titles," it said.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/dr-seuss-...racist-imagery
Posted that previously.
Guess you didn't read it.
I underlined the important parts.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.
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03-02-2021, 11:20 AM #13Banned
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Say whatever you want.
It's delusional to assume anybody in america but leftist people with a leftist agenda would try to cancel Dr Suess children's books on some bizarre notion of"racism".
There's only one group that see would see racists Dr Suess children's books.
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I associate Biden with the leftists ideology. Because he's the leader of that movement.
That seems reasonable to me.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...a-proclamation
And I do admit that not every leftist person agrees with every leftist policy. So I was generalizing. I admit that.
But I stick to the idea that it's leftists cancelling Suess.Last edited by Hughinn; 03-02-2021 at 11:31 AM.
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03-02-2021, 11:34 AM #16Banned
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Here's how the world works... IMO...
You, Hughinn, may not be offended by something in some of his books.
That doesn't mean that someone else isn't offeneded by something in some of his books.
Enough people were offended that the Dr. Seuss Enterprises listened and took feedback.
If that bothers you then contact Dr. Seuss Enterprises.
Not everybody shares your viewpoint.
This is America.
A melting pot.
You call it cancelling shit.
Dr. Seuss Enterprises calls it maximizing profits.
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03-02-2021, 12:31 PM #17Banned
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See, that's my point exactly. And that's the thing with the modern left.
Most of what anybody has to say is likely to offend somebody, somewhere.
And that's the difference between you and I, and the liberals vs conservatives in america.
But, just because what you have to say, might offend me or someone else, doesn't mean I get to keep you from saying it. Because you've got a right to freedom of speech and expression . That means you can say what you want, whether or not I like it, whether or not it offends me or not and no matter if I agree or disagree . No matter how stupid it might or might not be. Because I am not a leftist.
If I don't like your books, or the pictures in them, I simply won't read them.
I'm not going to attack your publishers, foundations or family because I don't like your books. That's what the left does.
And I say it's horseshit. And it Just ain't right.
Because it violates every concept of freedom of speech and expression.
I'm not going to boycott a publisher for publishing a transsexual children's book. I just ain't going to read it to my children.Last edited by Hughinn; 03-02-2021 at 12:34 PM.
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03-02-2021, 12:39 PM #18Banned
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Fully agree...
Things like climate change, or green energy, or Earth is a sphere, or Trump lost, or Q is a joke might offend a fair amount of people. But I can still say them.
You are free to say we are all slaves and everyone is blaming the blue collar white man or the left is an evil elitist cabal... even though I think it is offensive and pure lunacy.
But in this thread you started...
It seems like you are upset with Dr. Seuss Enterprises for making their choice on how to run their company.
Seems like you are trying to impose your beliefs on others.
There are two sides to every coin.
Perhaps you should be less imposing of your beliefs on others.Last edited by The Deadlifting Dog; 03-02-2021 at 12:43 PM.
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03-02-2021, 02:33 PM #19Banned
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I am upset with them. They cancelled innocent classical children's books under pressure from political correctness mobs.
You can't tell me they didn't want to sell those books and make that money.
They just didn't want to have to deal with the leftist PC mob.
The shit has to end somewhere.
I'm all for anybody that chooses to believe differently.
I'm all against people forcing others to conform. Either by force or intimidating. And they got intimidated into canceling those books.
And that's what I'm saying isn't right.
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03-02-2021, 01:02 PM #20Banned
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Ever hear of the Capitol Riot?
Or the Oklahoma City bombing?
Or attacks on Mosques?
Or attacks on abortion clinics?
Or attempting to kidnap a governor?
Or plotting to start a civil war?
Or storming State Capitol buildings?
Or spreading conspiracy theories?
I can go on...
The right does shit too you know.
note: I am not saying the mainstream right wing does this shit. I am saying there is extremism on both sides.Last edited by The Deadlifting Dog; 03-02-2021 at 02:28 PM.
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03-02-2021, 02:39 PM #21Banned
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I do know that.
Especially the overly religious right.
And I don't agree with that shit either.
For example, who the Fuck would tell two dudes they can't be married? Those two dudes can make that decision for themselves. Nobody else ought to have a say.
But that's just my opinion.
People want to protest abortion. Then they can protests it all they want. Assault on people is a crime though.
Conspiracy theories? People can make whatever theories they want. They can say them out loud all they want.
Bombing and terrorizing is also a crime. Just like burning and looting.
Generally, if you don't want a fight with someone, stop pushing them. A civil war takes two sides. Just like a fight. Nobody wants war except rich people who profit from it
And I consider myself more to the right than left. Obviously.Last edited by Hughinn; 03-02-2021 at 02:46 PM.
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03-02-2021, 11:53 AM #22Banned
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Some may call this a racist image...
Perhaps you don't...
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from If I ran a zoo...
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03-02-2021, 03:24 PM #23
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/psa...g-proclamation
The article says Slo Joe cancelled Dr seus “proclamation” while former presidents Barack Hussein or Barry Soetoro (whichever he goes by) and Donald Trump included it in their “proclamation”
This cancel culture is the most ridiculous bullshit imo. And yes its liberal thing its not a conservative thing for anyone having trouble understanding. Just something else to shake my head at
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Fuck that bullshit...
You want to talk about a cancel culture???
Let's try science...
Fucking Trumplicans cancel science at every step they take.
You know... climate change or Covid or evolution or masks or vaccines.
Hell Cuz... you thought it was all bullshit until you got sick.
Let's try President Obama...
The damn racists are so upset he became president they tried to cancel his presidency by claiming he wasn't American.
Let's try the election...
The sore ass losers were so hurt they lost to Biden they tried to cancel 81,000,000 votes.
And they sucked at canceling the votes so badly...
You know, after they killed and injured countless policemen...
That they tried to cancel their own insurrrection by blaming Antifa.
Guess they did manage to cancel Blue Lives Matter though.
How about religion?
Damn Christian Nationalist are trying like hell to cancel any religion except Trumpism.
I could go on all day with this shit...
Keep worshipping your false idol...
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The left may be busy trying to "cancel" racism or sexism or whatever...
But the right is busy themselves canceling intelligence.
#Jewsishspacelasers #adrenochrome #lizardpeople #inDumpWeTrust #theBigLie #Lysol #MyPillowGuy
I seriously wish y'all we leave this petty political bullshit off the board.
You know... maybe only post about something big politically. Not every damn little fucking thing.
About Capitalism...
In which I do believe Trumplicans claim to believe...
A company chooses what it does to maximize profits.
In this case... Seuss Enterprises did what was in their best interest.
If you don't like it... too fucking bad.
Don't claim to believe in Capitalism and then cry like a baby when Capitalism works itself out.Last edited by The Deadlifting Dog; 03-02-2021 at 04:32 PM.
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03-02-2021, 04:49 PM #25Banned
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Reread your post before you accuse anyone else of pettiness dog.
Really.
Orange man bad', over and over.
The issue is the left cancelling anybody who disagrees with them. Cancel culture is owned by the left. Admit it. They make up whatever .. isms they need at any given moment. It never fails.
We're talking about the cancellation of Dr Suess for petty reasons.
Let's stick to that.
There's no reason to cancel Dr Suess. Children's books. You know it.Last edited by Hughinn; 03-02-2021 at 04:53 PM.
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03-02-2021, 04:54 PM #26Banned
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03-02-2021, 05:06 PM #27Banned
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Really? They're going to make more money by not selling books that have been Best sellers?
Listen to yourself.
They stopped selling those books because of intimidation by the leftist PC woke mob. Who, would likely call for boycotting and lawsuits and God knows what else if they didn't.
Stop pretending it was otherwise.
That's not free market capitalism. It's totalitarian mob rule.
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Please note:
I said Christian Nationalists.
My mom is a Christian. I don't hate her.
What is Christian nationalism?
Christian nationalism is the belief that the American nation is defined by Christianity, and that the government should take active steps to keep it that way. Popularly, Christian nationalists assert that America is and must remain a “Christian nation”—not merely as an observation about American history, but as a prescriptive program for what America must continue to be in the future. Scholars like Samuel Huntington have made a similar argument: that America is defined by its “Anglo-Protestant” past and that we will lose our identity and our freedom if we do not preserve our cultural inheritance.
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct...tionalism.html
You know... these guys from the Capitol...
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You know... the guys who say that Trump was chosen by Jesus to save America.
POLITICS
My Pillow Founder: Trump 'Was Chosen by God' to Save America
https://www.advocate.com/politics/20...d-save-america
Please note:
I do have a profound hatred for Trump.
Please note:
I bunch of religious zealots backing a tyrant is a dangerous thing.
There are some 4,300 religions of the world.
https://www.theregister.com/2006/10/...body_religion/
Please don't shove yours down my throat.Last edited by The Deadlifting Dog; 03-02-2021 at 07:31 PM.
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Ha...
And I forget the funniest one of all...
Let's take Republicans...
Trumplicans are so fucking busy spending all their time canceling any Republican that doesn't bow down to their sacred leader.
You know... they call them Rinos.
Attachment 180816
Fucking Trumplicans are canceling their own.
Damn cannibals.
And they think only the left "cancels"...
Keep watching Fox.Last edited by The Deadlifting Dog; 03-02-2021 at 04:42 PM.
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03-02-2021, 04:52 PM #33Banned
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I will break it down like this...
Some people took offence to some drawings.
Some folk on this board took no offence.
A company listened to the offended people.
So some folk on the board took offence to the company because they listened to the other people.
Kinda funny that people are offended because a company choose not to be offensive.
I guess it is OK for people on this board to be offended but it isn't OK for other people to be offended.
Gotta be a term for that...
Some sort of privilege.
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03-02-2021, 06:31 PM #34
Locally the schools banned “To Kill a Mockingbird” recently. I can tell you for sure it wasn’t the left / liberals that caused that.
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Last edited by The Deadlifting Dog; 03-02-2021 at 07:32 PM.
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Just so I got this right: the Seuss estate is self canceling 6 of his books and everyone is teaching them a lesson by buying up all their books?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/books
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It’s not a Trump vs Biden thing, this is just giant corporations thinking they are responsible for determining culture. It’s still a form of censorship and that’s not ok
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There is no intent in finger pointing here, just my observation. I don’t feel that it’s biased and I feel what I’ve seen is pretty close to being as objective as possible.
Born in the 50’s grew up in the 60’s (Midwest) with a prejudiced, racist, conservative upbringing and family, friends. Still are friends with many (don’t judge them) most of family is dead so don’t have much contact there. Moved to Los Angeles 40 years ago. Have taught high school for 20 years. The city that I teach in is more conservative than liberal & though predominantly white has a black, Latino and Asian minority base that’s about 40 % of our school.
Past 4-5 years the blatant racism/prejudice had been increasing in our school and really was “super-increasing” 2 years ago. The only thing that stopped it really was shutting the school for Covid. By blatant I mean the noticeable increase in the n word, homophobic targeting & anti Semitic behavior. Physical attacks and harassment against all, messages & swastikas left on white boards and graffiti, and the usage of Sieg Heils used openly.
This is in the general school area, but was extending more and more into the classroom. Targeted students stayed home out of fear or had their educations compromised at school.
The district was dumb-founded and had to hire a race relations expert from a well respected university.
So, the district banned “To Kill A Mockingbird”. Why? It was getting difficult to teach and was getting dangerous in the classroom because high school students progressively felt empowered to use the n word since it was used in literature and uttered in class by reading the book. Where might they have learned this? It wasn’t rap music or videos; I’ve seen it’s influence and it never extended to hatred out here.
Do I like censorship? No. But more importantly do I like to see students harassed, beaten and frightened to get an education? You decide which is worse for yourself.
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I've seen racists of all colors. And I've seen roving packs of black kids viscously assaulting white and Latino kids just for the color of thier skin. It's literally all over youtube. But back then there was no youtube.
I've seen traditionally black neighborhoods be overrun with hispanic gangs and blacks specifically targeted for being on Latino turf.
My problem with almost everything you say on the subject of racism is that it ignores every aspect that doesn't portray White people as the aggressor and others as the victim.
I'm all for being against racism. But be against all of it. Because I've often seen it perpetuate itself. Often kids or people bsn together along racial lines to protect themselves. It happens time and time again. Bullying often leads to racists. Of all colors
I was in louisiana when hurricane katrina went through. I could tell you some shit I've seen that you wouldn't understand. When a population is put under enough stress. The results always play out the same. A look at prisons all over the world bear out that truth.
You only call it one way. And until it's called out across the board. It won't change. And until the fundamental reasons it perpetuates is recognized, it will not go away.
Censoring any specific group will not help it. Only solidify it's existence in the future.Last edited by Hughinn; 03-06-2021 at 02:47 PM.
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