My HGH experience so far!

[Dowstrategy]

54 year old ex marine. Getting ready to start an extended course of hgh (at least 8 mo) plan on using 2 iu day.

[Lozgod]

54 year old ex marine. Getting ready to start an extended course of hgh (at least 8 mo) plan on using 2 iu day.

Cool start a thread diary bro.

[stitch1967]

54 year old ex marine. Getting ready to start an extended course of hgh (at least 8 mo) plan on using 2 iu day.

Dow,
OOh Rah, Warhound good to see "brothers" on board. Can't wait to hear how the cycle goes?


Duck,
This is a great thread. Thanx for the info. I am into my 4th wk of a 400mg test e cycle (1st cycle), but am going to have to pull off right now because of personal life issues. My test had just started to kick in....some. I know exactly what you mean about the complete body pumps and the hard feeling. My strength is still on the climb since its only been 4 days since my last shot.

As far as shots, try delts with a 25g 1" needle, they are painless and I like them much better than glutes even. I've been scared off the quad shots by too many posts in this forum.

Good luck and keep up the posts.

[stitch1967]

Questin Duck and other HGH users...The HGH's you guys are using how many mg's are there per IU? The one I'm looking at to add to my test when I can start up again is $153 for 6mg = 18 IU. Is this normal? It's Somatropin.

[Duck of Death]

Questin Duck and other HGH users...The HGH's you guys are using how many mg's are there per IU? The one I'm looking at to add to my test when I can start up again is $153 for 6mg = 18 IU. Is this normal? It's Somatropin.

Hey Stitch and everyone on board this thread...... Thanks for the great input! The HGH comes in vials of a certain number of ius (ex. Jintropin, which comes in 10iu little vials). The number of ius per ml. depends entirely on how it is reconstituted. For example, you could inject 2ml. of bacteriostatic water into a 10iu Jin vial and this would give you a 5iu/ml solution to inject. Easier is to reconstitute with 1ml of BW which yields 10iu/ml. Then it is easy to use a slin pin to calculate your dose. For example, 1.5 iu is 10.5 on the slin syringe. 2iu would be 20. All 10 iu at once would be 100 on the syringe (and make you turn green and bust out of your shirt). So don't think mgs when dealing with HGH, think ius!

[bigjohnr]

Mr. Duck,
How many weeks are you on the HGH. I am on 7 weeks now and the fat is coming off but many say that it really kicks in after the 3 to 4 month point.
Thanks

[Duck of Death]

Mr. Duck,
How many weeks are you on the HGH. I am on 7 weeks now and the fat is coming off but many say that it really kicks in after the 3 to 4 month point.
Thanks

.....Hey Bigjohnr: I have been on the HGH since early February. That makes it five/six months or so.

...... and Stitch: I got ahold of a few 25ga / 3ml syringes and tried to draw up my test cyp for tomorrow. Man, it took forever!! Sheesh, I hope it doesnt take that long to inject!! I have been using 21 ga points. Seems big, I know, but since I am such a tough guy they don't hurt. ( I cry for ten minutes after injecting).

[johnsomebody]

Hey Duck are you making sure to blow air into the vial before drawing out? (Don't mean to insult your intelligence, but you do know to draw an equal amount of air to what you'll be pulling out into the syringe before going into the vial, blowing it into the vial, then pulling the oil, right?)

Actually, that's kinda off topic! Sorry!

Here's a Q that's on: Why not just use the H2O that comes with the Jin, which it says is good for two weeks once reconstituted if refridgerated, rather than bacteriostatic water, which has to be purchased seperately?

[johnsomebody]

Hey, that's my 1000th post! I'm now a senior member! When do I get my secret decoder ring?

Oops, off topic again...

[Duck of Death]

Hey Duck are you making sure to blow air into the vial before drawing out? (Don't mean to insult your intelligence, but you do know to draw an equal amount of air to what you'll be pulling out into the syringe before going into the vial, blowing it into the vial, then pulling the oil, right?)

Actually, that's kinda off topic! Sorry!

Here's a Q that's on: Why not just use the H2O that comes with the Jin, which it says is good for two weeks once reconstituted if refridgerated, rather than bacteriostatic water, which has to be purchased seperately?

As for the Jin-water, About every third ampule shatters when I snap off the top and I am worried about cutting the poop out of my fingers, even with a towel wrapped around the amp. A nice big vial of BW that I had left over from my Saizen kit works great!

[stitch1967]

...... and Stitch: I got ahold of a few 25ga / 3ml syringes and tried to draw up my test cyp for tomorrow. Man, it took forever!! Sheesh, I hope it doesnt take that long to inject!!

Yeah, it takes a while to draw with 25g but no it doesn't take that long to inject. It does make you go nice and slow though which helps on soreness and bleeding a lot.

I usually load two or three syringes with a 18g needle then put my fresh 25's on afterward.

[Badgerman]

I'm 47.....210.....6'0"......too much bodyfat. Not much energy to work out and kinda generally depressed. I sit on my arse all day. I've been starting to lift and I do get a little cardio throwing the football around with the kid. I'm going on HGH (jintropin) 2iu a day. I'm hoping it will help me sleep better and have more energy. Do I need test too? I was thinking of Sustanon 250 a week. Suggestions?

[Duck of Death]

I'm 47.....210.....6'0"......too much bodyfat. Not much energy to work out and kinda generally depressed. I sit on my arse all day. I've been starting to lift and I do get a little cardio throwing the football around with the kid. I'm going on HGH (jintropin) 2iu a day. I'm hoping it will help me sleep better and have more energy. Do I need test too? I was thinking of Sustanon 250 a week. Suggestions?

Hey Badgerman - all I can tell you is read this thread and listen to me when I tell you that I have had great experiences so far with the HGH and even BETTER results when I started 400mg. of test cyp per week. When you are standing naked in front of a 36 year old chickie and she says: "Geez you are 53??? You have the body of a 25 year old!!" I can't tell you how good it feels!!!!
Sleep is better and deeper, strength in the gym is WAY up, and I just have a much more positive outlook on life. I just went through a messy divorce, so that outlook means a lot to me.
I recommend it highly!!

[Big_Diesel]

Great post! Ive thought about Gh but have yet to find a reliable source. Glad its working so well for you guys keep up the good work...........

[Big_Diesel]

Heres a site for cheap pins carecenter.com comes all wrapped in plain brown paper..............

[Badgerman]

Ok I've got my test cyp. How much should I start with? I tried 300mg of deca earlier and bloated up like a blimp. Edema galore. Will the same thing happen with the test and HGH?

[Big_Diesel]

What kinda Deca was it? All these post about bloating on Deca makes me wonder if its not Test instead. You should not bloat that bad on low doses of Deca. Wait until you start the Test ......MichelinMan...........

[Badgerman]

It was legit human nandrolone by Watson pharm......I was using topical test gel until I got the cyp.....so maybe it was the test. If that's what happens with test....I want no part of that. Can I combine it with a mild diuretic HCTZ to control the edema?

[woodiechopper]

Sounds like you're doing great. If you don't like quad injections, try delts. It's right up there near your eyes so you can see what you're doing and there is actually a lot of meat and relatively few blood vessels/nerves (from my experience).

[Fitcher]

It is said that jintropin is the only 191 amino acid gh production in China,is it true? Who know about it? I want to know the detail for my gh choice .

[znak]

It was legit human nandrolone by Watson pharm......I was using topical test gel until I got the cyp.....so maybe it was the test. If that's what happens with test....I want no part of that. Can I combine it with a mild diuretic HCTZ to control the edema?

My doc gives me teslac to control bloating during TRT. I have had no problems at all, so it must be working. I take 50 mg every other day.

I agree with Duck, 400 mg for the cyp is about right.

[Duck of Death]

I have a little less than three weeks left on my test/HGH cycle and have a few things to report:
1) OK, OK, I did a few more quad injections and I have gotten used to the soreness that accompanies them. Much more convenient than glute injections cause you can see well.
2) Nuts have not shrunken at all - I believe the intermittent HCG injections are doing their job!
3) Weight is at 184 now - remember I have not really been pounding down food cause I dont really consider this a "bulking" effort.
4) Strength in all lifts goes up each and every time I hit the gym (four-way split - four times /week).
5) Now using the Jin at 2 iu/day (six on, one off). Joints have been fine.
6) Skin tone (especially around the face) has markedly improved. I can see why some call HGH a "face lift in a vial".
7) Still taking Liquinolva at 10 mg/day along with the arimidex . No water bloating.

Oh, and I was out with a 46 year-old.very lovely and petite lady last night - the subject over dinner turned to age reversal and hormone therapy - she ASKED me if I ever used HGH because she was very interested in it. I am wondering if I should let her in on my secret (I feel like Batman must feel - Hee Hee!). In any case, we went back to her place and got comfy on the sofa - she said "turn over - I want to give you a back rub and take off your shirt". Well, I stripped to the waist and she started feeling me up. She was saying things like, "Oooooo.......I love your muscles - they are so hard and tight". I know, I know, sounds like a porno novel.........
Hey, you just dont know how **** GOOD that feels to hear that!!!!!!! I am hooked on this stuff - I will NEVER give it up!

[darmadoc]

You sure spend a lot of quality time on sofas!!!!

[znak]

Well, I stripped to the waist and she started feeling me up. She was saying things like, "Oooooo.......I love your muscles - they are so hard and tight". I know, I know, sounds like a porno novel.........
Hey, you just dont know how **** GOOD that feels to hear that!!!!!!! I am hooked on this stuff - I will NEVER give it up!

DoD, What can I say, You be DA MAN!

A walking-talking advertizement for HGH.

You be da man!

[Fitcher]

It is said that fitropin is 192 amino acid different with Jintropin,Is that really?

[Fitcher]

I ordered fitropin twice,the first time is was great.But the second time,look like it went bad during the transportation,has anybody has similar experience?

[Fitcher]

I saw that most are using Jintropin and fitropin now,If I want to choose one,who can tell me which are better?

[Animal Cracker]

Good info-keep it coming

[map]

Hey gentelman,
Just opened up the over 30 forum, i will share my hgh exsp. started about 5.5 months ago with a 10 week aas cycle of deca qv and sutanon 250 @ 500mg per week started the hgh at 1 and got to 3ius 6 on 1 of. Been off the anabolic for over 3 months but continuing the hgh. At 43 this is the most productive cycle i ahve ever done. Last was almost 10 years ago. I started at a weight of 165, pretty lean, at 8 weeks in i was up to almost 190, still lean and very hard. Have to tell you at this point i am still over 180 at 5-7 and look in the mirror and i can't believe i have maintained such quality size and shape. I am concervative, but i had to take my shirt off in the gym at maximum pump to assure myself i was seeing what i thought, th ecouple of people their fell back in amazement, THE STUFF WORKS, i will further cont. i have planned a little booster of test E and EQ to see if i can take this one step more. Its all to exciting to ignore, what do you all think?

[bigjohnr]

Hey duck how about an update???
Thanks bro!!

[Duck of Death]

OK, folks, I finished my HGH/testcyp cycle on September 2 and am now in my 4th week of PCT using 40mg. Nolva/day. I ran the HGH at 1.5iu throughout the cycle and am continuing with it.
Here are my observations:
1) Strength in the gym has plateaued, but I have not LOST any strength on my lifts.
2) Weight has dropped slightly to 181. My weight when I finished the test was
185lbs.
3) Near the end of the test, my sleep was not as deep as it had been when just on HGH. I notice the sleep now is much better when off the test.
4) My nuts are fine - no shrinkage during the cycle. This is probably due to the low doses of HCG I ran throughout. (the complete cycle was posted earlier in the thread).
5) Sexual side effects were weird. No problem with erections, but during the test it took FOREVER to bust a nut.......anyone else notice this?? Strange....
6) Some sporadic acne breakouts on face but nothing major.
7) Todays' blood pressure - 135/83.

I PROMISE I will get some pictures posted - I have some of me before the HGH only and after eight weeks of HGH, but I want to post them all at the same time.
Oh, and the 46-year old chickie who I see regularly for recreational indoor sports has started her HGH at .5 iu/day. We split a Jin kit yesterday and she is injecting herself like a champ!! She hasnt noticed anything yet, but I'll update you on that as well.
I plan on another cycle in about ten weeks - I think I will do test again plus EQ and some Var thrown in.
My only comment is, why is this so illegal?? It has made a HUGE difference in my life and outlook with NO ill effects that I can see. Bogus politicians.........

[bigjohnr]

great post duck! I have a hard time busing a nut when on test for a while but I am horney as a 16 year old. It is weird. I am 44, maybe it is because of our age. My wife can't get enough of the way I look though.

[znak]

1) Strength in the gym has plateaued, but I have not LOST any strength on my lifts.
2) Weight has dropped slightly to 181. My weight when I finished the test was
185lbs.

Good stuff duck, thanks for the update.

1) What were your gains in strength like with just hgh and then with hgh and test? I imagine that your strength is has leveled off after the test. It will be interesting to see if it continues climbing after PCT on hgh alone, like it did before test.

2) What was your weight pre-test cylce?

3) Check your pm

[Matt muscle]

Hey Mate..loved your posts on GH... Im 41 this year and have been on HRT for the last couple of years... so know most of the problems with taking test injections long term. Your difficulty reaching orgasm is simply high levels of E2, (estriadol). Which of course is as a result of the supraphysiological levels of test in your system. Nolvadex probably wont help this.. something like proviron or arimidex may. The growth hormone probably stopped any problems with erectile function... one reason I want to get on that magic stuff. Im trying to convince my doctor that I need it for ED... as apparently it works wonders for that too.

[sensei_jim]

Duck, Big personal thank you here. I was really debating on whether or not to spend the $350 + per month on this with my next cycle (which starts in two weeks), and I think I will, thanks to you! I'm kicking and screaming into middle age too, months away from 40.

The only thing I gotta get over is forking over $1600 (for 500 iu) in a single transaction. This makes me very uncomfortable, as there really is no recourse against most of the sources. I guess I could get 100 iu kits and pay an average of $140 a month more, and order 4 weeks ahead of need, but I hate the thought of getting in the middle of it and missing a week.

Can I have your thoughts on this.

[bigjohnr]

sensei jim, what I do is order a kit at a time, when one comes i order the next. it takes about a week to come so I have plenty of time. I have 5 kits now and don't have to order for a while. I didn't like the idea of having a ton of money out either.
hope this helps. I am 44 years old and on HGH also for 4 months so far.

[znak]

Duck:

What were your gains in strength like with just hgh and then with hgh and test? I imagine that your strength is has leveled off after the test.

It will be interesting to see if it continues climbing after PCT on hgh alone, like it did before test.

Any guess on this?

[Duck of Death]

Well, I have been done with my Test/HGH cycle for awhile now (finished Sept.2) and have been done with my PCT (Nolvadex alone) for a month or so.
Here are my observations:
1) Strength has gone down slightly but not a lot. I would estimate my lifts are about 5% less than when on the test. I still am much stronger than I was when I first started HGH alone.
2) My weight started at 170 pounds and reached a max of 185 when the end of the Test/HGH cycle was reached. Since then, I leveled off at 180 pounds and am steady. My waist is down 1.5" and my shoulders and chest are much improved. Hey, I'll take a solid ten pounds at my age (54 now). The inetresting thing is that I probably underate since I did not consider this to be a "bulking" effort. Even with the under-eating, I still put on a solid ten pounds.
3) PCT was uneventful. The Nolva alone seemed to work fine and it only took about four weeks post-cycle to regain my previous ability to bust a nut (the ONLY troublesome side I experienced). Nuts didnt shrink hardly at all and I attribute that to taking HCG THROUGHOUT the cycle (250 iu every two days). Big props to SWALE for this advice!!
4) I didnt realize how much the body needs sleep when on test. I slept a LOT.
5) Blood pressure went up (from 125/80 pre-cycle to 152/83 while on). I was not too concerned about this because it was the systolic that was elevated. Resting heart rate went up as well - it seemed my heart was always clipping along even while in bed! This was undoubtedly the source of the elevated systolic BP.This effect is gone.

All in all, I consider this a positive effort and I plan another cycle soon. I am considering the following:
Test Eth or Cyp 400mg./week 1-12
Deca 200mg./week 1-10
Oxandrolone 25mg./day week 6-14
Liquidex .5mg / two days throughout
Nolva 10mg./day throughout
HCG 250iu/two days throughout
HGH 2iu/day (Sundays off) throughout

PCT Nolva 40mg./day week one
20mg./day weeks two - three
10mg./day week four.
I am also toying with the idea of adding IGF during PCT because I hear it helps keep gains as well as maintain strength after PCT.

Comments?? I particularly would love to hear about my proposed cycle from some of my "senior" gym buds who have more experience with the magic firewater than I do!!

[bigjohnr]

Good post Duck. Did you come off of the HGH also?
How long are you taking between cycles?
I am 44 looking for a relatively safe way to cycle during the year. A safe amount of time on and off but to look good year round.
Best of luck.

[over40mule]

Duck of Death : You go dude! Hope you steal some hottie from a 30 yr old..LOL. Listen, I'm 42 and have been on 1 IU for 2 months. About your testosterone concerns. I am going through a HRT clinic, all legal and FDA approved drugs. The HGH I get is made through a compound pharmacy and is overdosed and I only pay $8 an IU. When I did just 2 IU i got all the sides.. puffyness, jointpain..etc. Since I am back to 1 IU I feel 20 something again. If you want the info about the HRT clinic let me know? There 100% legit!