Any Gyno Success Stories Out There Using Aromasin/Exemestane?

**RustedIron** · 10-22-2012, 11:08 PM

So as SERM is doing it's job binding to receptors, what is happening to the tissue that has already formed? It dies off and just what.. dissolves? Should I be amping up my cardio to bring down BF%?

Also, I've been reading more and more about how great Ralox is. Phased you've been my right hand man in all this and I appreciate you for it. You've recommended before that I just go ahead and take Ralox in addition to the Nolva and Stane. Do I really even need to keep taking Stane after 2 weeks? And should I just switch to Ralox after I run out of Nolva? Or go ahead and get it now in addition to Nolva. It just seems taking both might be overkill no?

**Lemonada8** · 10-23-2012, 09:36 AM

Nolva for me, pubertal Gyno had it for years! Did 2 cycles it grew accordingly then went back down but never away. Then started with 40mg nolva Ed for about 2 weeks untill I noticed a change in size (used pic and measured it to make sure) then continued 20mg Ed for the next 6 weeks... 2 years later the lump is still gone. Have some puffiness but nolva won't help that, lookin to get some dht gel to try and see if that works.

Tamoxifen is the best for Gyno, rolax is a new drug with promising efficacy however.

**RustedIron** · 10-23-2012, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Lemonada8

Nolva for me, pubertal Gyno had it for years! Did 2 cycles it grew accordingly then went back down but never away. Then started with 40mg nolva Ed for about 2 weeks untill I noticed a change in size (used pic and measured it to make sure) then continued 20mg Ed for the next 6 weeks... 2 years later the lump is still gone. Have some puffiness but nolva won't help that, lookin to get some dht gel to try and see if that works.

Tamoxifen is the best for Gyno, rolax is a new drug with promising efficacy however.

Good stuff Lemonada8. How many cycles have you done total?

**Wazz** · 10-23-2012, 04:54 PM

Long~ but good read...

**Lemonada8** · 10-24-2012, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by RustedIron

Good stuff Lemonada8. How many cycles have you done total?

ive done 2 cycles. test p and test p w/ winny. PLannin to do another one in the near future of test p and npp.

**RustedIron** · 10-24-2012, 07:04 PM

QUICK UPDATE: I've begun week 3 and reduced dosage to following

Nolva: 20mg every morning
Armoa: 10mg every night

**Nfinitecc** · 10-24-2012, 07:50 PM

Excuse my ignorance of terms but when you say 10/10/10/10 ED is that just 10mg daily? Or 40/40/20/20 ....40 mg for two days then 20mg daily from then on? I wasn't sure cause if that's the case why list 10 or 20 consecutive. Again sorry for my ignorance.

**RustedIron** · 10-24-2012, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by Nfinitecc

Excuse my ignorance of terms but when you say 10/10/10/10 ED is that just 10mg daily? Or 40/40/20/20 ....40 mg for two days then 20mg daily from then on? I wasn't sure cause if that's the case why list 10 or 20 consecutive. Again sorry for my ignorance.

Not arrogant at all. Took me forever to find a simple answer. There should be a dictionary of terminology or something. Anyways, 10/10/10/10 ED represents your weeks. So 10 for the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th week.

So 40/40/20/20 means 40mg every day for weeks 1 and 2 and then 20mg everyday for weeks 3 and 4. Make sense?

**Nfinitecc** · 10-24-2012, 08:17 PM

Yes! Thanks for the response!

**RustedIron** · 10-28-2012, 06:50 PM

UPDATE: On day 19. I did miss last night's AI dose. I can't tell if I'm making progress or not, but it doesn't bother as much anymore. Still going at 10mg of Aroma and 20mg of Nolva everyday

**RustedIron** · 10-30-2012, 12:25 AM

Sucks Phased was banned!

**RustedIron** · 10-31-2012, 02:19 AM

Going on Week 3 now and I'm not seeing much improvement. It suddenly feels like it's reversing actually. Should I add on the Raloxifene? My shoulder is killing me and I'm wondering if it's the AI or SERM causing joint pain. Anybody out there?

**RustedIron** · 11-01-2012, 02:50 AM

Libido is dying. Joints hurting. Depression kicking in. Should I stop Aroma?

**wmaousley** · 11-01-2012, 06:01 AM

Im not gonna lie to you, I had developed gyno in my left nipple last year while on cycle and decided to complete my cycle, which i did. I didnt use any PCT meds as i didnt want any reactions to the gyno area, i simply went on a cutting diet over the past year and it has gone away by itself. Having said that I am sure if I do another buk cycle it may come back.

Just so you know I am on Nebido, this may not work for everyone, but it did for me and it was advised by a member of Kuwaits BB team.

**Zeebo** · 11-11-2012, 12:58 PM

any updates on how the aromasin /nolva combo is working for you?

**RustedIron** · 11-11-2012, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Zeebo

any updates on how the aromasin/nolva combo is working for you?

I finished the 4 weeks and am now done with taking anything, but I don't know man. It's definitely better. But it's not the same. There's still kind of tissue build up behind the nipple and it feels like the nipple is always hard. You can't tell from looking at it. Visually it's fine. Nothing embarrassing. I feel like at this point, I should just let nature take its course.

Any thoughts fellas? Anybody else even reading this thread? Not sure if I should continue taking Nolva/Aroma until it's completely gone or should I add in something else?

**Zeebo** · 11-12-2012, 11:03 PM

If it was getting better IMO I would have kept taking it for at least 6 weeks, given that the sides weren't too bad. But if it's fine visually why bother? BTW what is your BF% at and has it fluctuated since you started treating your gyno?

My gyno is similar to how you described yours. What is making it really annoying to me is the puffiness of the nipple itself. I don't know if it is because of the lump pushing the nipple forward or because it is actually just puffy due to the gyno itself. I am tapering down from letro (which helped shrink the lump a little, I think? Pretty sure it was underdosed letro). Right now and waiting to get some nolva (will be about two days) and having trouble finding a source for aromasin so I will be running the nolva until I find one. Hopefully some more people will chime in with some success stories.

**seriouslifter** · 11-20-2012, 05:43 PM

so after all these posts, would letro at 2.5mg ED and nolv 10mg ED to combat gyno and block estrogen from growing gyno?

**MickeyKnox** · 11-20-2012, 05:57 PM

Oh good, my favorite thread.

**RustedIron** · 11-22-2012, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

Oh good, my favorite thread.

Welcome back buddy

**RustedIron** · 11-22-2012, 03:56 PM

UPDATE: I have to admit... I have mixed feeling about the results. My nipple is still poofy to touch. Visually it's fine. But what bothers me is if it's now more susceptible to gyno in the future. Should I keep going with Nolva or just go natural and let the body do its thing? It's been a couple weeks after the last Nolva/Armoa dose

**MickeyKnox** · 11-22-2012, 04:05 PM

At this point, it would be helpful if you would provide a recap of what you have done so far and the results.

**RustedIron** · 01-04-2013, 12:05 AM

UPDATE and Bad News
I may be wrong, but I feel PCT has probably been worse for me than most of the members on this site. Perhaps it was a terrible first cycle to begin with. 9 weeks Winny/Equipoise . Regardless, what's done is done and now almost 6 months later... I'm still suffering.

I'll keep this post about Gyno, which has gotten worse for me. Here's a recap of where I am:

RECAP

The Cycle (First ever)
9 Weeks of Winny/EQ. (Ended July 15th 2012)

The PCT (Began July 25th 2012 - 10 days after cycle)
You'll find my other post about headaches in the forums. Received a lot of hits. Turns out it was just an incredible amount of water retention causing my brain to swell against my skull that was causing the headaches. The Nolva and Clomid were just further irritating the headaches.

PCT lasted for 3 weeks and I just quit because I thought the headaches were caused solely by Nolva and/or Clomid.

The Gyno (First noticed 10 weeks after end of cycle)
It began with my right nipple... sensitive nipple. Nothing noticeable... but almost overnight poofiness came... and a hard marble sized piece of tissue appeared behind nipple. So I came to our glorious forums for help and guidance. Got all kinds of crazy tips and advice. So here's what I ended up doing

The Gyno Reversal Attempt #1 (Began October 10th, 2012)
4 weeks reversal attempt:
Aromasin 25/25/10/10 ED
Nolvadex 40/40/40/40 ED

Day 7 of Gyno Reversal Attempt
It seems to be working. Sensitivity subsiding

Day 12
progress seems to be slowing down. Lump is under control but not going away

Day 19
Not bothering me as much anymore. But still hard to tell if progress is being made

Day 21
Progress seems to be reversing. Poofiness returns. Shoulder joint pain intensifies

End of Gyno Reversal Attempt #1 (November 11, 2012)
It's definitely better. But it's not the same. There's still kind of tissue build up behind the nipple and it feels like the nipple is always hard

The Return of Gyno (January 3rd, 2013)
All of a sudden... both nipples are poofy! WTF? I had no issues with my left nipple until just 2 days ago. I noticed both nipples now have marble sized hard tissue behind them with poofyness.

My Questions
Should I reattempt Gyno reversal? I'm at a lost gentlemen. I must admit, my weight lifting routine has plummeted since my cycle and shoulder pain started acting up. I've probably gained a good 8-10% BF in the last 5 months from lazyness and not eating right. The gyno and awful shoulder pain really depressed me. I was insanely ripped at the end of my cycle... but that was long gone.

Terrible cycle. Terrible PCT. Terrible Gyno.

Please help me out fellas. I'm at a loss.

**Fllifter** · 01-04-2013, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by RustedIron

UPDATE and Bad News
I may be wrong, but I feel PCT has probably been worse for me than most of the members on this site. Perhaps it was a terrible first cycle to begin with. 9 weeks Winny/Equipoise . Regardless, what's done is done and now almost 6 months later... I'm still suffering.

I'll keep this post about Gyno, which has gotten worse for me. Here's a recap of where I am:

RECAP

The Cycle (First ever)
9 Weeks of Winny/EQ. (Ended July 15th 2012)

The PCT (Began July 25th 2012 - 10 days after cycle)
You'll find my other post about headaches in the forums. Received a lot of hits. Turns out it was just an incredible amount of water retention causing my brain to swell against my skull that was causing the headaches. The Nolva and Clomid were just further irritating the headaches.

PCT lasted for 3 weeks and I just quit because I thought the headaches were caused solely by Nolva and/or Clomid.

The Gyno (First noticed 10 weeks after end of cycle)
It began with my right nipple... sensitive nipple. Nothing noticeable... but almost overnight poofiness came... and a hard marble sized piece of tissue appeared behind nipple. So I came to our glorious forums for help and guidance. Got all kinds of crazy tips and advice. So here's what I ended up doing

The Gyno Reversal Attempt #1 (Began October 10th, 2012)
4 weeks reversal attempt:
Aromasin 25/25/10/10 ED
Nolvadex 40/40/40/40 ED

Day 7 of Gyno Reversal Attempt
It seems to be working. Sensitivity subsiding

Day 12
progress seems to be slowing down. Lump is under control but not going away

Day 19
Not bothering me as much anymore. But still hard to tell if progress is being made

Day 21
Progress seems to be reversing. Poofiness returns. Shoulder joint pain intensifies

End of Gyno Reversal Attempt #1 (November 11, 2012)
It's definitely better. But it's not the same. There's still kind of tissue build up behind the nipple and it feels like the nipple is always hard

The Return of Gyno (January 3rd, 2013)
All of a sudden... both nipples are poofy! WTF? I had no issues with my left nipple until just 2 days ago. I noticed both nipples now have marble sized hard tissue behind them with poofyness.

My Questions
Should I reattempt Gyno reversal? I'm at a lost gentlemen. I must admit, my weight lifting routine has plummeted since my cycle and shoulder pain started acting up. I've probably gained a good 8-10% BF in the last 5 months from lazyness and not eating right. The gyno and awful shoulder pain really depressed me. I was insanely ripped at the end of my cycle... but that was long gone.

Terrible cycle. Terrible PCT. Terrible Gyno.

Please help me out fellas. I'm at a loss.

Blood work would be your best bet to see what exactly is going on. Sorry to hear about your bad experience. Good luck

**RustedIron** · 01-06-2013, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Fllifter

Blood work would be your best bet to see what exactly is going on. Sorry to hear about your bad experience. Good luck

Do you think I should get blood work done before attempting another gyno reversal plan?

**RustedIron** · 01-10-2013, 07:16 PM

Is this thread just too long to get noticed anymore? Time to start a new thread?

**kingjames6** · 01-20-2013, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by RustedIron

Is this thread just too long to get noticed anymore? Time to start a new thread?

Hey OP, did the aromasin end up working for you? I am having a little bit of a problem with tenderness and puffiness.

**RustedIron** · 01-30-2013, 02:14 PM

For those keeping up with this thread, here's my latest blood test results:

TESTS	RESULT	UNITS	REFERENCE INTERVAL
Testosterone, Serum	346	ng/dL	348-1197
Testosterone, Free	10.90	ng/dL	5.00-21.00
% Free Testosterone	3.15	%	1.50-4.20
Estradiol, Sensitive	12	pg/mL	3-70

Also, these were flags on the blood test but I'm not sure if they're relevant to my gyno.

TESTS	RESULT	UNITS	REFERENCE INTERVAL
Neutrophils	36	%	40-74
Lymphs	47	%	14-46
Monocytes	14	%	4-13
BUN	22	mg/dL	6-20
AST (SGOT)	50	IU/L	0-40
ALT (SGPT)	64	IU/L	0-44

**slumchop** · 02-17-2013, 07:29 PM

Im curious with all the exmestane talk why everyone recommends a straight into 25mg ED? Ive used aromasin and going right into 25mg ED has made me sick as hell, Ive always tapered up into this AI to avoid and minimalize the sides? but i dont see much mention of tapering into it

**horse_boy** · 04-24-2013, 05:36 PM

hey mate, what can i do about old gyno lumps, can i still use letro?

**kelkel** · 04-24-2013, 05:44 PM

I have not read this thread but a friend of mine with gyno issues just had great success with the Nolva / andractim combo.....saw him in person today actually and he is absolutely thrilled.

**davep7** · 07-14-2013, 03:59 PM

Hey Iron, just wondering what has happened since the last post !

**EasyDoesIt** · 07-24-2013, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by RustedIron

I'm currently taking Aromasin /Nolva for my Gyno reversal. It's only been a couple weeks that I've noticed it. It's been 10 weeks since the end of my last cycle.

Just curious if this is ok. Everyone gives Letro so much praise. I'm 2 days in with Aroma/Nolva and am wondering if I should switch to Letro or just keep on at it for 4 weeks? Anyone out there have success using Aromasin/Liquid Stane for their gyno?

Cheers

Letro IMO is best for gyno reversal if not serious case. If serious i don't think anything will work. Letro has been magnificent for me. I have only used ar-r letro. It's good to have around in case of emergency. I don't think you will reverse it with just aromasin and nolva. I have never had much success with nolva, but that's just me. I think anyone that has used Letro will give it a thumbs up.