STOP running estrogenic compounds if you don't want estrogen sides !!!!

[GearHeaded]

Yes, there are other compounds that are DHT derivates or else
Tbh i tried winny on my cut, in the end of it, prostate felt horrible

this is irrelevant to the topic at hand,, but figured I'd mention this.

this is the reason you had prostate issues. and its NOT because Winstrol is a "DHT" like most guys think . Winstrol is not a DHT, its a derivative of DHT and as such it has already structurally been 5 alpha reduced ,, therefore it can no longer be that in the body and so its impossible for it to convert to DHT.

but, the reason you had DHT side effects was because Winstrol can fairy dramatically reduce SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) which is a sex-streroid binding protein that binds up 'estrogen' 'testosterone' and 'Dht' and holds onto them in "storage" (sort of speak) . now more then anything SHBG binds up DHT mainly. so when your SHBG gets significantly lowered your suddenly have an onslaught of DHT free and available..

so it was the DHT that you already had stored and available in your body that caused the prostate issue , and not the Winstrol itself directly

now lowering SHBG is generally thought of as a good thing cause you'll then have more free androgens and estrogen which is true, but if your DHT sensitive be aware as you'll also have much more available DHT.


this can also be a tool for your "tool" though as well.. if your running say for example deca, and having issues getting hard in the bedroom, then you can always add some Winstrol or Proviron to lower your SHBG and free up more DHT (which plays a big role in the erection process).
deca coverts to DHN, not DHT.. and DHN will bind to DHT receptors and 'tie them up' yet not illicit any androgenic effects. so over time you get less and less DHT available to you when on a deca cycle.

[Obs]

this is irrelevant to the topic at hand,, but figured I'd mention this.

this is the reason you had prostate issues. and its NOT because Winstrol is a "DHT" like most guys think . Winstrol is not a DHT, its a derivative of DHT and as such it has already structurally been 5 alpha reduced ,, therefore it can no longer be that in the body and so its impossible for it to convert to DHT.

but, the reason you had DHT side effects was because Winstrol can fairy dramatically reduce SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) which is a sex-streroid binding protein that binds up 'estrogen' 'testosterone' and 'Dht' and holds onto them in "storage" (sort of speak) . now more then anything SHBG binds up DHT mainly. so when your SHBG gets significantly lowered your suddenly have an onslaught of DHT free and available..

so it was the DHT that you already had stored and available in your body that caused the prostate issue , and not the Winstrol itself directly

now lowering SHBG is generally thought of as a good thing cause you'll then have more free androgens and estrogen which is true, but if your DHT sensitive be aware as you'll also have much more available DHT.


this can also be a tool for your "tool" though as well.. if your running say for example deca, and having issues getting hard in the bedroom, then you can always add some Winstrol or Proviron to lower your SHBG and free up more DHT (which plays a big role in the erection process).
deca coverts to DHN, not DHT.. and DHN will bind to DHT receptors and 'tie them up' yet not illicit any androgenic effects. so over time you get less and less DHT available to you when on a deca cycle.

You've said all this before but that needs to be easy to find.
Lot of info here so I will blog it I guess.

[Myers]

Great info, thank you GH

[i_SLAM_cougars]

Can we make this a sticky since all our stickies are old and out dated?

[Obs]

Can we make this a sticky since all our stickies are old and out dated?

Agree

[i_SLAM_cougars]

Agree

Especially when everyone still refers every newbie here to that useless first cycle thread, which literally contradicts this.

The irony of coming to a steroid site, to learn about steroids, only to be treated like an asshole and told to “do your own research” (which is what you were trying to do when you came here), and not use steroids.

BUT... If you’re going to use steroids instead of us actually helping you, we’ll all direct you to this one thread where someone figured out how to waste 3 months of your life doing a somewhat useless amount of testosterone, while still managing to break the bank.

So in summary:
- $60 worth of test
- $600 worth of blood tests
- $150 worth of AIs
- $60 worth of HCG
- $100 worth of clomid and nolvadex

- and a bunch of buttholes saying that if you use more than one compound on your first cycle you will grow enormous boobs and die.

[Obs]

Especially when everyone still refers every newbie here to that useless first cycle thread, which literally contradicts this.

The irony of coming to a steroid site, to learn about steroids, only to be treated like an asshole and told to “do your own research” (which is what you were trying to do when you came here), and not use steroids.

BUT... If you’re going to use steroids instead of us actually helping you, we’ll all direct you to this one thread where someone figured out how to waste 3 months of your life doing a somewhat useless amount of testosterone, while still managing to break the bank.

So in summary:
- $60 worth of test
- $600 worth of blood tests
- $150 worth of AIs
- $60 worth of HCG
- $100 worth of clomid and nolvadex

- and a bunch of buttholes saying that if you use more than one compound on your first cycle you will grow enormous boobs and die.

Lmfao

Euros...
Cant live with em, cant.... ...
Would shoot them.

[GearHeaded]

Especially when everyone still refers every newbie here to that useless first cycle thread, which literally contradicts this.

The irony of coming to a steroid site, to learn about steroids, only to be treated like an asshole and told to “do your own research” (which is what you were trying to do when you came here), and not use steroids.

BUT... If you’re going to use steroids instead of us actually helping you, we’ll all direct you to this one thread where someone figured out how to waste 3 months of your life doing a somewhat useless amount of testosterone, while still managing to break the bank.

So in summary:
- $60 worth of test
- $600 worth of blood tests
- $150 worth of AIs
- $60 worth of HCG
- $100 worth of clomid and nolvadex

- and a bunch of buttholes saying that if you use more than one compound on your first cycle you will grow enormous boobs and die.

drug dealers make the biggest profit margins on AI's and then PCT.. so its not surprising you see forums (filled with drug dealing reps) pushing AI use big time.
guys complain about how pricey VAR is (which is a tried and true and virtually side effect free AAS that works great),, but they are spending way more on shitty AI's that don't do shit for them other then hinder their gains.
makes no sense

and as for PCT.. the idea that you have to run pct after every single cycle you do is way overkill. not necessary at all. but again like AI's, pct drugs have high profit margins . so If you can sell a PCT protocol with every AAS cycle you sell, your $$$ income as a dealer goes up

and they try to dress it up like they are being a good guy trying to help you out and will propagate shit you hear said over and over again "make sure you have your AI and your PCT on hand and ready to go before you start your cycle" . nice sales technique!
again, if you ran 5 cycles per year, running 5 pct protools and buying all those pct drugs to do that, is totally overkill and your just getting dupped by a smooth salesmen of pct drugs

the only reason some of these things are being advocated (like running AI's with all your cycles and doing a pct with every cycle you do) is because of the drug dealers that sale these drugs..

why aren't these guys advocating the use of insulin with every cycle you do ? I mean shit insulin is one of the most anabolic hormones on the planet.. why aren't they shoving insulin down peoples throats?
because insulin is dirt cheap and a 3 month supply of it can be picked up at Wal-Mart for $23 !! thats why.. believe me, if they could make huge profit margins on it like they do AI's and PCT drugs, they would be pushing it big time

[Dgs59]

Can we make this a sticky since all our stickies are old and out dated?

+1 to this