M1t FAQ

[Reelmuscle]

Is 4-AD a MUST when doing a M1T cycle with a dosage of 10 mg ED?

I know Lethargy is a common side effect, but will it have as bad of an effect on aperson if the dosage is only 10 mg ed? Thanks

anyone?

[Whitey]

anyone?

That really depends, bro. I didn't experience the lethargy as much as some did, so I could have definitely gotten along without it. If you have it/can get it, i would run it. If not, do the cycle anyway. If you feel lethargy, you can use a low dose of stimulant, like an ECA to get you going a little before your workout.

[FireFall26]

My friend was wndering.....How necessary to the cycle are nolvadex and clomid....We are both starting our cycle, but he is kinda worried about having to inject something.

[MASTER]

since when do u inject nolva or clomid???!!!!

[bulldawg_28]

You dont inject nolva or clomid. They are taken orally.

[nsa]

Tamox and Clomiphene are taken orally. If you inject anything thats not sterile(non-sterile = anything not sealed with a rubber stopper to put a syringe through), chances are you will get either an injection site infection or an abscess at the injection site, both suck and both won't be easy to explain to a doctor, if you choose to hide what you were doing from the docter. Actually the doc would probably see right through it if you lied. Its always best to be upfront with doc's, you can't get in trouble for doing something and telling your doctor about it because of patient-physician confidentiality.

[snowman_in_wa]

Where can you get the transdermal 4-ad? Is it banned now? I accidentally ordered the capsules so I guess I will take those until I can get some transdermal.

I totally dig the sample cycle posted. I will follow it to a "T". Can someone also add what each of these does? For example, m-1-t - more energy, builds mass, lethargy... I guess what I am getting at is if I notice a certain side effect, I can refer back and up whatever necessary. That make sense or am I rambling? It is just brutal to cruise through this 20 page thread. :-)

I will be starting tomorrow so wish me luck.

snowman

[Machin3]

banned on jan 20th im sure you can get it on the black market or so

[nsa]

It says in the original post what each ingredient does. If you still have a question on what something does after reading the original post then ask it on the last page of the thread and someone will answer it.

[Anteros]

hey nsa is prohormone banned in canada too? if not, wheres a good place to order some? i really wanna do ur recommended cycle.

thanks

[nsa]

I don't think the ban effects canada, its a different country. I dunno where to get ph/ps/AAS anymore (gave up on anabolics a while ago, as im content with my physique as it is) let alone where they will ship to canada. Good luck in your search though.

[Anteros]

I don't think the ban effects canada, its a different country. I dunno where to get ph/ps/AAS anymore (gave up on anabolics a while ago, as im content with my physique as it is) let alone where they will ship to canada. Good luck in your search though.

thanks, how nice to feel content...good job, enjoy

[Whitey]

My friend was wndering.....How necessary to the cycle are nolvadex and clomid....We are both starting our cycle, but he is kinda worried about having to inject something.

Quite a necessary precaution to avoid unwanted side effects and to keep gains post cycle. I'd advise to not even consider running a cycle w/o proper PCT. Fortunately, as you've learned by now, these compounds are orally active, and are not injected. Good luck.

[swoll4589]

man once again this post saved someone from doing something the would have regreted. Injecting orals lol.

[Anteros]

does anyone know where to buy m1t in canada, since its legal here there must be a place?...thanks

[Whitey]

man once again this post saved someone from doing something the would have regreted. Injecting orals lol.

lol, probably wouldn't have felt real good either - that stuff is dissolved in PEG.

[Bleche]

Okay, I did a cycle without using either of these due to fear... ended up losing all but friggin 4 of the 12 lbs I gained. SO I'm going to go with this this time but I have a question as to the purpose, since that isn't overly specified in the beginning post and I didn't find it in any of the others. I went with 6oxo, maintained most of my gains for the time I took it but as soon as I ran out the weight started coming off.

Clomid causes a mass increase in estrogen levels, Tamoxifen causes the estrogen to have no affect on the body, but due to the increase in estrogen levels the endocrine system pumps natural testosterone into the system to try to balance the screwed up hormone levels. So, I'm thinking this is a jump start to make your body start producing test so you can keep your gains. If I'm right, all ya have to do is say so, if I'm totally con****ulated feel free to correct me. I'm just one of these newb people that needs to know...

[nsa]

Actually it involves LH and FSH systems to restore endogeneous testosterone synthethis. But it is pretty complicated to explain in a single post.

[Bleche]

Okay, jumpstart natural test, good deal. You don't have to go into details...

Has anybody that has used either experienced any of the sides associated with either of these drugs?

Any suggestions on a weight gainer to use while on cycle? I'm aiming for NLarge 2...

[nsa]

I used both many times and personally never experienced any sides. But everyone is different, so what doesn't effect one person may cause serious health issues in others or can cause massive gains.

For the weight gainer i would make your own. Micellar caseine protein, maltodextrin and a multivitamin. That has worked extremely well for me in the past. Most manufactured weight gainers put on alot of fat and a little bit of muscle.

[Anteros]

I used both many times and personally never experienced any sides. But everyone is different, so what doesn't effect one person may cause serious health issues in others or can cause massive gains.

For the weight gainer i would make your own. Micellar caseine protein, maltodextrin and a multivitamin. That has worked extremely well for me in the past. Most manufactured weight gainers put on alot of fat and a little bit of muscle.

very true...N-Large basically just gave me a belly that i had to work off...

[Anteros]

nsa, what could i take to substitute 4derm. I can get my hands on 4ad/1-ad caps, 100mg of each/cap. Or Andro spray. Would either of those be a valid substitute?

thanks

[SwollSooner315]

is it true M-1T loses it effectivness after each cycle?

[SwollSooner315]

if anyone could help me out i would appreciate it

[Soldier of Misfortune]

Yeah, Ive heard it does. That goes for anything really. Your body will become accustomed to it, so upping the dosages slightly with each consecutive cycle is not a bad plan. 30mg ed is about the most you should go.

[Reelmuscle]

That really depends, bro. I didn't experience the lethargy as much as some did, so I could have definitely gotten along without it. If you have it/can get it, i would run it. If not, do the cycle anyway. If you feel lethargy, you can use a low dose of stimulant, like an ECA to get you going a little before your workout.

Thanks man. I am gonna try without it, and if i feel lethargic, i will use a low dosage of a stimulant like you said. I dont think it should be too bad at 10 mg ed for 4 wks. Thanks again

[SwollSooner315]

ohhh ok....well i have 4 bottles of 180 count of M-1T and 8 bottles of 1-AD....soo maybe it would help if i did a cycle of m-1t then 1-ad, etc....i cant wait to start my first cycle of M-1T...I've used 1ad in the past and i gained 13lbs and kept most of it without any PCT....hopefully m-1t will live up to its name and i am going to use PCT for sure this time

[Reelmuscle]

Can M1T cause hairloss? I mean figuring M1T is a testosterone based supplement, i would think that it can.

[nsa]

Its not testosterone , that is just a name. 1-test is alot diferent from actual testosterone. Different formulas and different effects. If you want to try anything that causes problems with hair loss, then add finestride. Anything thay converts to dht can cause hairloss.

[nsa]

Can M1T cause hairloss? I mean figuring M1T is a testosterone based supplement, i would think that it can.

DHT and its derivatives are the main drugs that cause hairloss. So if you stayaway from dht you should be alright.

[Reelmuscle]

OK, so does M1T convert to dht?? Maybe i missed what you were saying.

[Anteros]

hey nsa.

i cant get my hands on 4derm but found 4-ad/1-ad caps...100mg/each per capsule...i know 1ad is basically a less potent form of m1t...and read that 4ad will have to be administered throughout the day because its not transdermal...ill have to take the 4ad split up during the day to maintain bodily dosage ?!...but will the 1ad in there make that a bad idea? so basically is it okay to take the caps with the m1t and run ur cycle as shown?

or if i do a 4ad/1ad alone cycle instead, what would u recommend as a dosage for it and for the pct? id take all the other stuff the same as shown...

thanks

[nsa]

hey nsa.

i cant get my hands on 4derm but found 4-ad/1-ad caps...100mg/each per capsule...i know 1ad is basically a less potent form of m1t...and read that 4ad will have to be administered throughout the day because its not transdermal...ill have to take the 4ad split up during the day to maintain bodily dosage ?!...but will the 1ad in there make that a bad idea? so basically is it okay to take the caps with the m1t and run ur cycle as shown?

or if i do a 4ad/1ad alone cycle instead, what would u recommend as a dosage for it and for the pct? id take all the other stuff the same as shown...

thanks

1-AD and M1T are different in structure and effects. yeah if your using oral 4-ad your gonna need alot and throughout the day. Thats why transdermal is better. Yeah when things are oral they don't last long in your system. if thats all you can get i would say yeah. but i would try and get something like trans 4-ad or test depot.

[Anteros]

1-AD and M1T are different in structure and effects. yeah if your using oral 4-ad your gonna need alot and throughout the day. Thats why transdermal is better. Yeah when things are oral they don't last long in your system. if thats all you can get i would say yeah. but i would try and get something like trans 4-ad or test depot.

ok...itll obviously be harsher on my liver though, so upping the dosage of milk thistle and hawkthorne would be alright?

thanks

[nsa]

Nothing is really hepatoxic unless its methylated. So m1t would be the only thing i can see that could have liver enzyme issues, get some blood work done to check liver enzyme levels, and if you've never done it before i would have everything checked test (free & bound), liver enzymes, and the other common tests. Its alot better to have tests done to learn how your body responds to certain meds. IMO this is essential when using orals, but still advisable for injectable cycle too.

[Anteros]

Nothing is really hepatoxic unless its methylated. So m1t would be the only thing i can see that could have liver enzyme issues, get some blood work done to check liver enzyme levels, and if you've never done it before i would have everything checked test (free & bound), liver enzymes, and the other common tests. Its alot better to have tests done to learn how your body responds to certain meds. IMO this is essential when using orals, but still advisable for injectable cycle too.

yeah im going to get everything tested before during and after...that is of course permitting the before tests allow for the cycle to start. The more I think about it though, i think doing a 1ad/4ad cycle first to see how my body reacts would be a better idea. could i run it with everything else in ur recommended cycle being the same? the precautionary supps and the pct ? so instead of m1t and 4derm just 1ad/4ad caps...

thanks for all ur time

[nsa]

The cycle would be fine but the gains would be less. Unless some serious health issues are present i doubt the before tests will prevent the cycle. The dangers of M1T/4-AD are often very exagerated. But still some dangers are real. Thats why you have to have things monitored.

[Anteros]

The cycle would be fine but the gains would be less. Unless some serious health issues are present i doubt the before tests will prevent the cycle. The dangers of M1T/4-AD are often very exagerated. But still some dangers are real. Thats why you have to have things monitored.

i agree, thanks for the help...is there any reason why ur not a mod or vet? if theres a way to recommend or vote for u ill do it.

[nsa]

i agree, thanks for the help...is there any reason why ur not a mod or vet? if theres a way to recommend or vote for u ill do it.

I dunno, thanks though.

[Whitey]

get some blood work done to check liver enzyme levels, and if you've never done it before i would have everything checked test (free & bound), liver enzymes, and the other common tests. Its alot better to have tests done to learn how your body responds to certain meds. IMO this is essential when using orals, but still advisable for injectable cycle too.

Excellent advice!