M1t FAQ

[Bleche]

Okay. I can't find trans or any form of 4-ad anywhere, if somebody has a link that still sells it I would appreciate a PM... I'd make my own if I found 4-ad in pillform but I'm not even having luck with that, I can get 1ad atm but that may be shortlived as well if you think that would be better than nothing while on the NSA cycle.

NSA - you said to use casein protein for weight gainer, much of what I have read says you should have whey after a normal meal or post workout and casein an hour after the whey, what is your opinion?

Just so I am a little more secure regarding what I am buying on the ar-r site, clomi is clomid and tamox is novla...?

Thanks for the earlier response!

[Whitey]

You're going to be hard pressed to obtain prohormones now that they are in the same category as AAS, bro. I would say that 1-AD is definitely better than nothing. This issue has been debated, but from my experience, I believe 1-T and M1T to be dramatically different compounds, and therefore, I would have no second thoughts about stacking 1-AD and M1T. If you experience lethargy with M1T, I don't know how much 1-AD will help - I never really got the lethargy, so it's hard for me to say.

And yes, clomi=clomid and tamox=nolva.

[Bleche]

I didn't have many problems with the lethargy on prior cycles, I kept my carbs up and everything seemed to work out fine, I guess I will go ahead and get the 1-AD if it is available.

Thanks for clarification regarding the research chems...

[Whitey]

NP, bro. Definitely keep the carbs up, and if you need a boost, you could always go with an ECA just for some temporary relief.

[nsa]

NSA - you said to use casein protein for weight gainer, much of what I have read says you should have whey after a normal meal or post workout and casein an hour after the whey, what is your opinion?

Whey protein is fast digesting protein, it is easily broken down so it can be used quickly. Casein protein is a much slower digesting protein, it is broken down slowly so it pretty much drip feeds your body protein over a few hours. Whey protein should be a staple for anyone who trains seriously, but casein is a very nice addition for longer periods of time when you won't be eating, such as during work, school or sleep. Casein should not be used PWO, for that you need whey.

[Whitey]

I wonder why we don't hear that much about casein? It really seems like we should be using it throughout most of the day, rather than whey.

[nsa]

Yeah, IMO it is better than whey for extended protein absorbtion. It's more difficult to process than whey so that causes it to be more expensive.

[Whitey]

True. Theoretically, it should be more effective due to the extended absorption, and you should be able to utilize more of it. That would help balance the added cost. You think?

[nsa]

Yeah. I still buy micellar casein protein even though its expensive.

[Anteros]

don't remember if this thread mentioned why milk thistle is only for pct. Is there anything wrong with taking it during?

[Anteros]

hey nsa....pls make a final critque of my cycle before i finalize my purchase

week 1-4 : 10 mg m1t ED split into 2 dosages. 5g after breakfast, 5g after last meal
Weeks 1-4: 400 mg ED of 4ad/1ad capsules split into 4 dosages taken with meals. (should I increase this to 600g split into 3 dosages since its oral?)
Weeks 1-4: 1500 mg ED of hawthorne berry extract

PCT:
Weeks 5-8: 40 mg ED of Nolvadex for the first two weeks, Then down to 20 mg ED of Nolvadex
Weeks 5-8: Clomid Therapy, 300 mg of clomid first day, 100 mg of clomid next 10 days, 50 mg of clomid for final 10 days of clomid therapy.
Weeks 5-8: Milk Thistle 1000 mg of milk thistle ED

last questions:

nething else u recommend as worth taking from ur experience?
is the hawkthorne dosage taken all at once or split through the day?
are the nolva and clomid and milk thistle dosages taken all at once or split up during the day?
i just posted this earlier but here it is again, nething wrong with taking milk thistle during?

thanks a lot

[nsa]

hey nsa....pls make a final critque of my cycle before i finalize my purchase

week 1-4 : 10 mg m1t ED split into 2 dosages. 5g after breakfast, 5g after last meal
Weeks 1-4: 400 mg ED of 4ad/1ad capsules split into 4 dosages taken with meals. (should I increase this to 600g split into 3 dosages since its oral?)
Weeks 1-4: 1500 mg ED of hawthorne berry extract

PCT:
Weeks 5-8: 40 mg ED of Nolvadex for the first two weeks, Then down to 20 mg ED of Nolvadex
Weeks 5-8: Clomid Therapy, 300 mg of clomid first day, 100 mg of clomid next 10 days, 50 mg of clomid for final 10 days of clomid therapy.
Weeks 5-8: Milk Thistle 1000 mg of milk thistle ED

last questions:

nething else u recommend as worth taking from ur experience?
is the hawkthorne dosage taken all at once or split through the day?
are the nolva and clomid and milk thistle dosages taken all at once or split up during the day?
i just posted this earlier but here it is again, nething wrong with taking milk thistle during?

thanks a lot

I would go transdermal if you can for the 4-ad. But if thats all you have i would drastically increase the dose. Hawthorne berry extract should be split up. Nolvadex and clomid can be taken once, they have half-lives over 24 hours. Milk thistle should be split up. You can take milk thistle during. One study showed it hindered the results from a methylated oral, but all of the others i've seen say no significant drop in gains.

[Anteros]

I would go transdermal if you can for the 4-ad. But if thats all you have i would drastically increase the dose. Hawthorne berry extract should be split up. Nolvadex and clomid can be taken once, they have half-lives over 24 hours. Milk thistle should be split up. You can take milk thistle during. One study showed it hindered the results from a methylated oral, but all of the others i've seen say no significant drop in gains.

4ad/1ad is all thats available, so would 800g split into 4 dosages do the trick?

would u also recommend letrozole then because of the high dose of 4ad?

thanks

[Bizzare_777]

Im goin to be startin another m1t cycle after my pct in 3 weeks. In my previous cycle i developed prolacin gyno from the 4ad and got puffy nipps, ive been on vitamin b-6 for 11 days and it seems to be slowly goin away. but not completly. Im wonderin if i would need to use b-6 durin my cycles for now on to continue blockin the prolactin? I heard b-6 can be dangerous @ 300 mg's twice daily if using to long, do you guys know anything on this?

[nsa]

4ad/1ad is all thats available, so would 800g split into 4 dosages do the trick?

would u also recommend letrozole then because of the high dose of 4ad?

thanks

Thats too much unless its a typo. 800-1200 mg ED is alright but not 800 grams. No need for letro IMO because oral 4-ad has a lower conversion rate to test than transdermal or injectable so with less conversion to test you will have less aromatization.

[nsa]

Im goin to be startin another m1t cycle after my pct in 3 weeks. In my previous cycle i developed prolacin gyno from the 4ad and got puffy nipps, ive been on vitamin b-6 for 11 days and it seems to be slowly goin away. but not completly. Im wonderin if i would need to use b-6 durin my cycles for now on to continue blockin the prolactin? I heard b-6 can be dangerous @ 300 mg's twice daily if using to long, do you guys know anything on this?

You did not get prolactin gynocomestia from 4-ad. You might have gotten estrogen gyno from 4-ad or prolactin gyno from m1t. Its not dangerous at that dose. Its a vitamin, its not going to be toxic unless your using like grams of the stuff.

BTW what was your daily dose of M1T during the cycle?

[Bizzare_777]

My daily dose was 10 mg's for the 1st week, then i increased it to 20 mg's daily. But rite around the 5th day was when i began to notice the puffy nips. 12 days into pct with nolva, clomid, milk thistle and Vitamin b-6 and my nips still look puffy, but i do notice its not as puffy. I figured within one week they would go back to normal size, with b-6 @ 300mg's, twice daily. The reason i asked about b6 being toxic was because i did read in steroidology.com, a thread about b6 takin in the amount that exceeds 100mg's could cause nerve damage and they all seemed to agree.

[nsa]

Not oral b-6, injectable b-6...

[Anteros]

Thats too much unless its a typo. 800-1200 mg ED is alright but not 800 grams. No need for letro IMO because oral 4-ad has a lower conversion rate to test than transdermal or injectable so with less conversion to test you will have less aromatization.

yeah it was a typo, im gonna stick to 800mg and see how it goes, if need be ill up the dose...i just hope the the extra 1ad doesn't become a real nuisance on the liver.

one more question, i tried searching for it here without much success, how effective are 4ad/1ad only cycles? the sticky ph says very effective, how would u compare it to m1t effectiveness and do u have ne direct/indirect experience with such a cycle?

thanks nsa

[nsa]

yeah it was a typo, im gonna stick to 800mg and see how it goes, if need be ill up the dose...i just hope the the extra 1ad doesn't become a real nuisance on the liver.

one more question, i tried searching for it here without much success, how effective are 4ad/1ad only cycles? the sticky ph says very effective, how would u compare it to m1t effectiveness and do u have ne direct/indirect experience with such a cycle?

thanks nsa

Before my injury i used mag-10 for a few cycles which is oral 1-ad/4-ad and i had pretty solid results. M1t/trans 4-ad is alot more effective than 1-ad/oral 4-ad, but it is also much more hepatoxic because of the methylation of the 1-test.

[Anteros]

Before my injury i used mag-10 for a few cycles which is oral 1-ad/4-ad and i had pretty solid results. M1t/trans 4-ad is alot more effective than 1-ad/oral 4-ad, but it is also much more hepatoxic because of the methylation of the 1-test.

how much did u gain off a mag-10 cycle? And since I cant get any 4derm, im thinking m1t with 1ad/4ad may be a little much for the liver, and I may get good results from the 1ad/4ad alone.

[nsa]

how much did u gain off a mag-10 cycle? And since I cant get any 4derm, im thinking m1t with 1ad/4ad may be a little much for the liver, and I may get good results from the 1ad/4ad alone.

I gained about 15-20 pounds from four 2 week cycles and pct. 1-ad/4-ad isn't that bad for your liver. As long as you stay with 10 mg of m1t you'll be fine. If your really that worried about your liver than run milk thistle throughout the cycle.

[Bleche]

Can somebody answer if it is a myth or not that M1T will cause your internal organs to grow as well causing you to have a pot belly like appearance. Seems like bs, but normal steroids can have this side, just curious of your opinions.

NSA is stacking 1AD with M1T instead of 4AD alright? 4AD went *poof*

[nsa]

I haven't seen any studies showing that to be true.

1-ad won't convert to testosterone , so no it won't be a good substitute for 4-ad. Try and get some test if you can't get 4-ad. You can stack 1-ad with m1t, but you need to run 4-ad with that stack.

[Whitey]

Can somebody answer if it is a myth or not that M1T will cause your internal organs to grow as well causing you to have a pot belly like appearance. Seems like bs, but normal steroids can have this side, just curious of your opinions.

I think that is a complete myth, and perhaps you are confusing steroids with GH in terms of enlargement of internal organs. The only thing I can think of is some of the more androgenic steroids tend to cause bloat (due to estrogen aromatization), which appears to enlarge the midsection , but in reality, is only temporary water retention. For me, though, M1T, did cause water retention, but nothing to the extreme that could be confused with GH gut.

[Bleche]

Okay, now that I think about it you're probably write, Ive been reading up on growth hormones lately.. DOH! Many apologies if I got it confused, I still thought I read something about steroids increasing internal organ size but maybe not. If I run by the article I will let you know, if memory servces me correctly it was a bodybuilding.com article.

Okay, now to the next question, M1T + ibuprofin = slowing down the healing process?

BTW I noticed a side today nobody has listed, this is my third cycle, each time for the first 2-3 days my ears feel really sensitive to sound and feel kind of like there is increased pressure on them.. I thought in the past it was something else but after starting my cycle today and a few hours it coming back I've realized that was what it is after all.

[nsa]

There are some sides that only certain people have, everyone is slightly different physiologically.

[Saleensrule]

Has anyone else gotten really bad shin splints while on M1T? I know about the lower back pumps, but my shins have been killing me too. Also After I have finished the cycle of M1T and start PCT how long before the lower back pumps and in my case shin splints go away?

[Whitey]

Has anyone else gotten really bad shin splints while on M1T? I know about the lower back pumps, but my shins have been killing me too. Also After I have finished the cycle of M1T and start PCT how long before the lower back pumps and in my case shin splints go away?

Bro, I had really bad shin pumps on M1T - they weren't shin splints, though. What it felt like, though was if I continued any further with whatever exercise I was doing, that some of the blood vessels would just explode. It was extremely painful and kept me from doing leg exercises for at least half of the cycle. I found a comfortable dose of 15mg would keep the sides to a minimum. Like nsa said above, everybody is different in the way they react to different compounds. I get pretty crazy shin pumps from other compounds as well - test prop for example, just not as bad as M1T. If I recall correctly, it took about 3-4 weeks off to get back to normal - so toward the end of PCT it was mostly gone. Hope that helps, bro.

[Bleche]

I had the "shin splints" too. I thought they were shin splints anyways, never thought about it being a pump, it took me about 4-5 weeks before I could start jogging without pain again. I haven't had the back pumps yet and I hope I don't but we'll soon find out...

Thanks for the response guys. What about taking ibuprofin with a methalated product?

[Whitey]

After the description I gave, do you guys think you had the same kind of pumps I had, or actually shin splints? I had shin splints in high school, and they were different. As far as ibuprofren - I know it can put some stress on the liver, obviously not as much as acetaminophen, and I believe less than naproxen as well. Whether it's a good choice I think would depend on (a) How high a dose of methylated compound are you taking, and how long? and (b) How well does ibuprofren eliminate the shin pain? For my problem, I doubt it would help much. For actual shin splints it might help some. If it's pumps like mine, I'd think anything that could be done to reduce blood pressure would be the most effective strategy. As far as painkillers, I would think Aspirin wouldn't hurt anything, and might even help. JMO.

[ash146]

just started my pct as of yesterday but i am coming down with a throat infection ... i' gonna go see my doctor - in the past he's given me penilliciln (sorry for the spelling) ... will this interfere? I can up the dosage on my milk thystle to help out the liver.

[Saleensrule]

Mine are definatley shin splints I get them really bad when I walke long distnace to class since its a hilly campus and wehn I play basketball they come back, but when I do legs no problems at all, just with running and walking activites.

[Bleche]

Mine are pumps, I ran track for years with no problems, funny that I would have "shin splints" right after starting to take M1T. Third cycle, they are coming back even though Im not running, it has to be pumps.

Im not taking ibuprofin for shin splints, it was for my shoulder, Im having trouble with bursitis in my left shoulder after ****ing up a bench press doing a forced rep. Im not going to take it while on cycle just in case, Im doing NSA's cycle only without the 4AD since I couldnt find any ANYWHERE. That's going to be the only thing I'm not using, no lethargy yet and it's day three, running trib at 45% saponins beside it so my buddies dont shrink (it really works, first cycle they shrunk big time, second cycle w/ trip they didn't change but a small amount).

As for a weight gainer, ATM Im using the following recipe if anybody wants to try it out, tastes pretty good!

3 tblsp natural peanut butter
1/2 cup oats
1-2 scoops choc protein mix
1 banana
16 oz. of milk
2 tblsp flax oil

Yes, it has a lot of fat, but it's mostly good fats..

[Reelmuscle]

How would one go about doing a test/M1T cycle given that M1T can only be used for a maximum of 4 weeks? Is the bottom correct?

Weeks 1-4: 10 mg ED of M1t / 500 mg test / 1500 mg ED of hawthorne berry extract

Weeks 5-8: 500 mg test / Milk Thistle 1000 mg ED

Weeks 9-10: 500 mg test

PCT:
Clomid/Nolva therapy.

[prolangtum]

Start PCT two weeks after last test inject. Looks fine.

[prolangtum]

NSA,
For Copyright/Plagerism purposes it would be wise to credit the author of this article, David Tolson. You wouldnt want to be sued over something silly like this.

No part of this article may be reproduced in any form without the permission of David Tolson or Mike McCandless.

[nsa]

NSA,
For Copyright/Plagerism purposes it would be wise to credit the author of this article, David Tolson. You wouldnt want to be sued over something silly like this.

No part of this article may be reproduced in any form without the permission of David Tolson or Mike McCandless.

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[Whitey]

How would one go about doing a test/M1T cycle given that M1T can only be used for a maximum of 4 weeks? Is the bottom correct?

Weeks 1-4: 10 mg ED of M1t / 500 mg test / 1500 mg ED of hawthorne berry extract

Weeks 5-8: 500 mg test / Milk Thistle 1000 mg ED

Weeks 9-10: 500 mg test

PCT:
Clomid/Nolva therapy.

That looks fine bro. Assuming you are using Test E or C, prolangtum is right on about when to start PCT.

[Whitey]

That's going to be the only thing I'm not using, no lethargy yet and it's day three, running trib at 45% saponins beside it so my buddies dont shrink (it really works, first cycle they shrunk big time, second cycle w/ trip they didn't change but a small amount).

As for a weight gainer, ATM Im using the following recipe if anybody wants to try it out, tastes pretty good!

3 tblsp natural peanut butter
1/2 cup oats
1-2 scoops choc protein mix
1 banana
16 oz. of milk
2 tblsp flax oil

Yes, it has a lot of fat, but it's mostly good fats..

Good idea to run trib all the way through. Are you running 4g/ED? The trib may even help with the lethargy, if you're even affected by the lethargy at all. LOL - your weightgainer sounds tasty, bro - it looks like about 1000 calories though. A couple of those a day, and you'll be huge, dude