M1t FAQ

[nsa]

Bump. I edited the first post to include the common sides and how to counteract them. So you who don't know why i have hawthorne berry, milk thistle, etc. in the sample cycle read it...

[MikeyZ23]

I'm only 130 lbs. 5'8'' - what kind of dosage do you guys recomend me taking? I'm new to this - just barely hitting the gym. I'd like to gain 20 lbs. Wonder if this is possible.

Try to get as big as you can naturally bro. Eat eat eat before you think about touching this stuff. Your stats indicate that you still have some growing to do so be patient! Keep up the hard training!

[Soldier of Misfortune]

That dude should deff not do M1T at 130lbs. Get to at least 170-175 for your hieght at 5'8".

[nsa]

Bump for newbs...

[userabuser]

Can/Should I consider Clen and/or T3 during my PCT of m1t?

[MASTER]

Clen is always gd after a cycle, it is anti-catabolic, so will help u keep ur gains and will strip fat off ya 2.

[nsa]

I like clen , but im not a big fan of T3. Maybe try clen and ECA instead.

[D00fy]

this is my 2nd m1t cycle, first 2weeks i havent seen any progress bumping another 5mg to it like NSA suggested ,making it a total of 15mg ,i am starting to notice weight gain and muscle tightness ,since it took long for me to see anything can i continue with another 2weeks,making it a total of 6weeks?

i have novadex on hand and 6oxo............

[nsa]

I wouldn't take it to 6 weeks. Too much HPTA suppresion. not to mention hepatoxicity. Keep it to 4 weeks is my suggestion.

[userabuser]

Ordering information notes on M1T cycle.

I put this together from info in this thread and elsewhere on this forum. Hope you find it helpfull. Please let me know if you see any errors.

2 - bottles m1t (60 count – 5 ml)
One would do if you stay strictly to the example cycle, but not if you decide to increase dosage a tad.

2 - bottles s1+ or 4derm (4ad TransDermal) 3 sprays morning 5 at night for 30 days

2 – bottles Milk Thistle (30 count) Good for all cycles for Blood Pressure

Clomid
1 - bottles 60ml 50 mg/ml clomid (Clomiphene Citrate) clomid is for restoring your natural testosterone . 21 day supply.
Faq suggests 300mg first day, 100 for the next 10 days, 50 mg for final 10 days. This translates (when using this bottle) to:
6ml 1st day
2ml next 10 days
1ml for final 10 days
See conversion info below

Nolva
1 – bottles 60ml 20mg/ml Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) (Reduce Estragen rebound after cycle)
Faq suggests 40 mg for 1st two weeks, 20 mg second two weeks. This translates (when using this bottle) to:
2ml 1st two weeks
1 ml remaining two weeks

Conversion notes for Clomid and Nolva:
If its 20mg/ml bottle 1 dropper = 1ml = 20mg
Using a baby measuring syringe (found at most drug stores), is good way to measure.

Clomid and Nolva are prescription or research chemicals only. Search around on the forum or the internet, sources for those are fairly easy to come by.

[nsa]

M1t only needs one bottle.
4-ad should have same number of sprays each time.
Nolvadex and clomid are usually in 50 ml containers, but could vary depending on manufacturer.

[userabuser]

Thanks for the feedback.

M1t only needs one bottle.
4-ad should have same number of sprays each time.
Nolvadex and clomid are usually in 50 ml containers, but could vary depending on manufacturer.

Is my explanation on M1t inadequate? If they decide to go to 15ml ED, they'll run out.

On 4-ad Curious, wonder why? I, personally can't do 5 sprays in the morning. Trashes me out..

On the Nolva and Clomid, I agree, what I'm holding in my hand at the moment is 60ml.

Again, thanks for looking over it. I will edit as you think best.

[Soldier of Misfortune]

I understood your M1T question w/ getting two bottles. I did the same thing, in case you want to up the dosage, but more just so I have it for another cycle in case it gets banned soon. It wont hurt to have it ready, plus its cheap. The 4derm thing is probably to keep your body in equilibrium with the level of 4derm. My nolva/clomid is in a 60mL vial as well. Good call on using a baby syringe for measuring, I have an injection one for each. Just draw w/ the needle and take it off to squirt in mouth.

[DirtyDog]

I've just finished my M1T cycle and am currently running my PCT. I made good strength and lean muscle mass gains on the cycle and had no sides at all using 10mg per day. Now im just exhausted all the time, I cant lift anything and I've ended up cutting my last 3 workouts short simply because I had no strength or energy to lift any more.

Is this because of my test levels being lower while the Clomid kicks in or what?

I've been on PCT for 4 days now.

[nsa]

That could be a part of it. Your probably also lethargic from the low test levels. This is why you frontload clomid in pct.

[DirtyDog]

How long do you reckon it will last? Im taking clomid 100mg ED and Nolva 20mg ED for two weeks as you recommended to me as I only did a 2 week cycle to begin with.

By frontload, do you mean have a large amount to start as in the cycle this thread began on? i.e. 300mg

Cheers

[nsa]

It should gradually get better each day now.

I thought you where running 4 weeks. Thats why i was thinking of frontloading.

[birsling]

Hey NSA, quick opinion question for you. In reading Pheedno's latest PCT posts, and speaking to Einstein, they are now against front loading clomid. They are talking up a consistent 100mg ED. What do you think, and why? This applies to aas cycles, so I am wondering what, if anything, would make this different for M1T

[DirtyDog]

It should gradually get better each day now.

I thought you where running 4 weeks. Thats why i was thinking of frontloading.

Yeah, it all get better from when you said and now 7 days into PCT and I feel my workouts are back to 100% of what they were before.

Nice

[nsa]

Hey birsling, sorry i didn't know you asked that until this last post bumped up the thread.

I think that you can succesfully use more clomid during the beginning of PCT because your test levels are so low. So frontloading will cause a steeper increase of test levels, rather than the longer slower Increase brought on by using 100 mg throughout pct.

Let me know what their reasoning was behind not frontloading, i respect their opinions alot, so i would love to read what they had to say about it.

[birsling]

NSA, no prob bro, I probably should have bumped it myself. Reading Pheedno's actual post, and not going by hearsay, he is not against front loading but does say not everyone can tolerate it. Something I have never thought about, and something that gets discussed very little. Occulotoxicity of clomid can greatly effect some people, and he is mainly pointing out that front loading is not NECESSARY (NOT saying that he doesn't recommend it). Though I am sure you have seen it, here is a link to Pheedno's very impressive PCT guideline thread Pheedno's PCT

[nsa]

Yeah, i've read that a few times. I agree that some people can't tolerate it, but most people myself included can tolerate it. Its really only the first day that could be a problem, 300 mg first day. After that its 100 or less.

[gio86]

bro nsa how much you think i should tak of this andro poppers. im gonna stack them with m1t. check out the info.

Serving Size: 2 Tabs
Servings Per Container: 50

Amount Per Serving:

Balanced Andro Complex: 150mg
4-AD 128mg
4-AD-EC 15mg
NOR-4-AD 5mg
A1-E 2mg.

[nsa]

Alot, oral 4-ad as with other oral PH's that are not methylated are not very bioavailable. I wouldn't even use an oral 4-ad or andro combo, I would definately look into using a transdermal 4-ad.

[gio86]

yea bro thats what i thought...but do you have any suggestions?? i mean i have them just sitting there. how many should i take?

[nsa]

I would take about 10 Tabs ED, but i don't know your stats and history and stuff. So judge from what i would take, Im 5'8" 180 @ 7% BF.

[gio86]

ok well im 5'8 or 9 i dont even know and im 160-165 and about 7% bf also.

[gio86]

if you dont mind me asking were do you get your 4ad from??

[nsa]

www.bulknutrition.com Get the 4-derm. Its the best value when considering effectiveness and price.

[gio86]

thanx bro

[gio86]

what do you think is best as far as taking the m1t tabs.
im gonna go for 20mg a day should i take 10 in the mornign and 10 at night or should i take 4 spread through out the day??

[nsa]

Every 6 hours is good. Some can't do that because of sleep, so most just go with 2 every 12 hours for that desired dose.

[nsa]

Bump...

I edited the original post to add some sides and how to counter them.

[nsa]

Bump

[flexin-rph]

I'm finishing week 4 of PCT, can I just start another M1T cycle right away (the previous cycle was 4 weeks at 20mg/day)? Any input appreciated.

[nsa]

Yeah, there is no harm in that, as long as your taking milk thistle.

[DirtyDog]

Do you mean as long as he is taking Milk Thistle during his current PCT, or as long as hes taking it when he starts the M1T again?

[birsling]

I would think he is talking during PCT to assist in getting liver values back to normal. Once your body has fully recovered, usually in that 1 month period, you should be good for another cycle. Right N?

[nsa]

I would think he is talking during PCT to assist in getting liver values back to normal. Once your body has fully recovered, usually in that 1 month period, you should be good for another cycle. Right N?

Yeah, i would say so. I had to get tested during my pct after my second cycle and 16 days into pct, my liver values and my free & bound test was normal.

[flexin-rph]

The reason I ask is I only have 2 days of PCT left & my sex-drive is not back, & I feel like I have no energy whatsoever. I didn't know if I should just lay off another week or two.