M1t FAQ

[nsa]

Or Ostie, are you asking why transdermal vs. capped powder?

No matter what you are asking, I believe your answer is going to be absorption rate and effectiveness. On top of those, transdermals are so fast and easy to use. How many caps can one person take in a day ?

This is correct, transdermals generally have a much better absorbtion rate than oral ph's, thus being more effective for gains. I don't understand why people don't want to use transdermals but instead want to go with orals. Orals are more expensive and less effective.

[birsling]

This is correct, transdermals generally have a much better absorbtion rate than oral ph's, thus being more effective for gains. I don't understand why people don't want to use transdermals but instead want to go with orals. Orals are more expensive and less effective.

Thanks N! It looks like I have learned a lot from you bro

[OSTIE]

Sorry guys, I meant the capped powder.... just trying to get my post out fast before I headed back to school.

Thanks for the response, if I eventually decide to do an m1t cycle, ill pick up the 4derm. Its just hard telling my brain the a spray is better than ingesting something. You guys are smart though, so I believe ya.

Thanks,

-ost

[Bleche]

In the first post it says supplementing with Tribulus will keep your testicles from shrinking while on cycle, it doesn't say anything about dosage in any of the other posts (unless I am blind, which is possible ), so what would you recommend if taking 10mg of M1T a day excluding the 4-ad?

Thanks!

[nsa]

I wouldn't drop the 4-ad if i was you...

That being said, tribulus works well around 5 grams ED.

[DirtyDog]

I wouldn't drop the 4-ad if i was you...

That being said, tribulus works well around 5 grams ED.

5mg of Tribulus at what percentage steroidal sapoins?

[nsa]

The highest percentage you can find. I think most are 45% but there is one somewhere that is 80% saponins.

[DirtyDog]

The highest percentage you can find. I think most are 45% but there is one somewhere that is 80% saponins.

Yeah, I've only seen ones at 45%.

Does anyone know who the 80% one is made by?

[DevilsDeity]

Vitrix BY Nutrex Research
Liquid German Tribulus Terrestris 1000 mg
Total Saponins 80%
Protodioscin 20%

[nsa]

From the feedback i've heard from my freinds vitrix is a very solid supplement...

[DirtyDog]

Vitrix BY Nutrex Research
Liquid German Tribulus Terrestris 1000 mg
Total Saponins 80%
Protodioscin 20%

Nice one dude, cheers

[jmillerdls]

jesus, ive been looking for hours and can't find any liquid form of these...just pill form, and its expensive as hell ($50 for 30 20mg tablets, which id clearly need more than one order of)...really wish there was a way to help others find it

[jmillerdls]

alright, just came across it...good price too, so now im happy
anabloicminds.com is a good place to search, although it took me awhile to find a place that was up to date

[nsa]

Support the board. Buy it from Anabolicreview - research...

[DevilsDeity]

man i just spilled about 1/2 oz of 4derm all over my desk and legs
this should be fun

[DustinLati]

3 questions that havent been asked yet (i read the whole 12 pages twice, ive also been studying other boards for quite a while about m1t.)

1. How should I train while on M1t? Ive been using t-nation's ABBH program (for anyone not famlilar with it http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459341. Basically its a mixture of powerlifting and endurance lifting....i guess its called "Hypertrophy training" Hypertrophy for anyone that doesnt know is "an increase in mass or girth". One day your using 3RM weight, 4 days later your using 16RM weight for the same muscle group, but with excersizes on a different plane...horizontal one day, vertical 4 days later. I plan on following it up with 2 of their other programs that use similar principals. I really like this program so far being natural, but i dont know if its the best way to train while on a PH. I want as much "mass or girth" as i can get out of this cycle. Should I go back to the way i was training before (which was Max-OT...5 day split, 1 bodypart per day, low volume, heavy weight, 4-6 reps)

2. im 20 y/o and 5'11"...am i done growing (in height)? And will taking m1t completely STOP me from getting any taller, because i would love to squeeze out an extra inch or two if i could, but i dont know if im done growing. Im already taller than both my parents and most people in my family, but im sure that doesnt really mean much. I know NSA said it will cause my growth plates to close, but i dont know what that means. Once i take m1t am i stuck at 5"11" forever?

3. A friend of mine ran a cycle of m1t because some retard he trains with was taking it. I asked him what he took for PCT and he said "whats that". He basically took m1t everday for a couple weeks, with nothing else during or after his cycle. I explained to him what PCT was and he said "nah i dont need any of that, im fine, i didnt notice any sides". This doesnt necesarilly mean hes 100% ok does it? Could there be something wrong with him that he doesnt know about? i DID talk him into PCT for his next cycle, and pointed him to this thread and to the board sponsor for PCT.

Thanks guys.

[nsa]

I would go to the workout section for the routine while on cycle.

When i say it will close your growth plates i mean: you have epiphyseal plates in your bones and when you get an accumulation of estrogen in your endocrine system your epiphyseal (growth) plates close and you don't grow anymore. So as long as you use nolvadex to make sure you don't have estrogen building up during and after the cycle you'll be fine.

He's not going to die or anything, but im pretty certain his testosterone levels are pretty low right now, he's probably lethargic and losing his gains.

[Bleche]

Alright, NSA, I was just curious after looking over your profile a little background info on you that I haven't seen. It says you, in Jan, were 125 lbs. You gained 60 pounds in 6 months? That's pretty impressive impressive. I was wondering if this was from using M1T, how many cycles it took you, what type of training do you do, etc? Why if you were working out for 7 years were you not bigger than 125, were you just not eating enough or what? If it's in another thread let me know and I will look for the info. Thanks for the response about the trib btw! Next cycle I will use 4AD.

FYI: I am in no way being sarcastic with my questions, I am completely serious in asking them... out of curiosity. I don't want it to sound like anything I said was in disbelief or sarcastic.

[nsa]

Its a very long story, but i'll try to sum it up in a short post.

I started training with weights when i was a freshman in high school, had to do it for ootball and track. By the time i left high school and went to college i was 170, in college i continued to lift and i got up to 185 by the end of the summer of 2003. Last october i was involved in a fight outside of my freaternity house in which about 40 people from another fraternity and the wrestling team wanted to get into a private party we where having. (I have no recollection of the folloing events) From the reports i've heard i knocked out 2-3 people and was in the process of choking out another when a different kid came up to me and hit me in the face with a baseball bat, i was still choking the kid even after getting hit once, then the other kid decided to hit me 4 more times, even then i was still fighting but not very well and i was screaming inaudible sounds. So people called 911 and cops and ambulances came and me and my freind, who was also hit in the head with the bat, were rushed to the hospital and we both flatlined on the way to the hospital, luckily we were both recesitated back to life. My freind spent 3 weeks in a coma and i spent 2 months in a coma. Woke up and didn't have any idea what happened, just dealt with the cards i was handed. Then i went to a rehab hospital and went through alot of therapy(had to relearn how to talk, how to walk, how to swallow, and i had to learn how to urinate again without a catheter in me.) At this point im 5'8" and 120 pounds. So i started lifting again when i was allowed to go home and recover there. Light weights in my basement(dumbbells 10's to 50's.) Then went back to the gym in march i think and started working my way back to my normal weight and lifting heavy. That is when i started tinkering with ps products. Alot of my gains would have come without anything but some of the gains was from supplementation. And after about a year from when i got hurt i am back to my normal weight of 185 pounds and hoping to get to 200 pounds with the same BF% by the summer. You might have caught my story on the news or in the papers last year, it was allover the north east and people said it was nationally broadcast on cbs, nbc, fox, msnbc, cnn and telemundo(the spanish channel.) Or if you want to read more about it just search for "rutgers bat brawl" in any search engine.

[Soldier of Misfortune]

Alright, the time has come. I had originally scheduled to start M1T this past monday right after Ranger Challenge, but it was very intense and the 10k ruck march killed my legs and shoulders so Im takin this week reel easy and startin M1T next mon. I have all components and plan to do this:

weeks 1-4
M1T 10mg ED (possible jump up to 15 late in cycle)
4derm 600mg ED
Hawthorn Berry extract 1695mg ED (565mg x 3 pills)
Letrozole .5-1mg EOD (to stop 4derm from aromatizing)

PCT weeks 5-8
Nolva 40mg ED two weeks 20mg ED two weeks
Clomid 300/100/50 standard issue
Milk Thistle 1000mg ED

I have a high calorie diet Ive been on all through Ranger training (35-4500 cals/day) But burning way more. My ex gf saw me the other nite and she said my abs were WAAAY better. Shes comin over to study in a bit, Ill continue this in the lounge if "need be."

ANYWAY, my workout plan is solid as well. I get at least 3 days in and double up parts. It depends how busy my week is (usualy very) if can get 4 days or 5 at best and space everything out.

Anyone see any kinks? My only concern is dosage on Letro. Ive seen some bros go as high as 1.25mg but others say never that much. Thanks!

[Soldier of Misfortune]

Holy $hit nsa, I had this thread minimized for a few hours and I come back and read your story!! Thats some fvcked up $hit there dude. At least you beat the $hit outta some of those fags first. Awsome recovery tho.

[bradd5150]

Sup fellas, just wanted to chime in cause im about to finish my 4 week nsa cycle. Gotta tell you I dont know why anyone wouldn't jump on this sh*t in a heartbeat. I've had no sides, great pumps, killer workouts that I have to make myself leave the gym, and I feel great. Only problem I had on maybe 2 occasions my kidneys hurt in the morning cause the day before I didn't drink enough water. I try to drink at least a gallon a day. But then I'm pissin every couple hours or more often. Started at 183lb and today i weighed in at 198.6 and I swear body fat hasn't gone up. Strength is way up. My opinion: dont hesitate to get on this stuff. If pct goes well, I'm gonna do another cycle in december or january. I did have one question: why not start clomid before your finished with your cycle? Maybe a week or a few days before your last day on cycle? Just a thought I had.

[nsa]

Thanks Soldier.

Bradd, Clomid works well, unless there is an exogenous androgenic hormone in your blood stream, then it doesn't do much at all

[jmillerdls]

Ok, I understand no alcohol during the m1t...
but what about the PCT? Ill be turning 21 about 1 week into the PCT...is this gonna be a possibilty, or am I going to have to fight some big ass time peer pressure

[DevilsDeity]

just dont get throw up drunk

[Bleche]

Wow, that's some seriously messed up stuff, I'm sorry to hear about that man. Perhaps I am blind, but I didn't notice you mentioning how many cycles of m1t (if any) you were on while you gained the weight back. Congratulations for recovering, you've got a pretty sweet physique going there!

Im having a hell of a time getting out of bed in the mornings. Is this considered lethargy? Like I said, I haven't been using the 4ad, do you think this is the problem... every year when the seasons change I either a) get sick or b) feel awful until I get used to the temp change. So I don't know if either are to blame. I feel fine during the day after I have woke up, if anything, I feel empowered and full of energy.

Any suggestions on when to start cutting down my bf? I'm about to end this cycle (wednesday of next week). I am 5'11 @ 181.5 (rising about 3/4 a pound per day so far on this M1T cycle) and I would estimate my bf to be 10%. I think I will end up at 185 or so by end of cycle and then I will be doing your PCT to try to keep the gains. I've only been training for about 7 months (definately a newbie trying to learn as much as I can)... should I keep bulking up or start cutting my fat down?

Also, this is the second cycle of M1T I have done, first cycle I only used M1T and then Novadex for PCT. I only gained like 6 lbs and lost 4 of it shortly thereafter. I wasn't eating enough. I started this cycle at 174, Im up to 181.5 as of today, trying to eat as much as I can (probably hitting 2500-3k calories a day and a gram/pound of protein per pound of weight). It's about impossible for me to gain weight it seems.

Any suggestions anybody has feel free to shoot them my way!

[jmillerdls]

nsa, what other supplements (if any) did you take during your cycles? Like, Multi V, B12, Creatine...anything??

[nsa]

i use b-12, multivitamins, creatine, ATW protein, clen , along with the sample cycle i posted.

[nsa]

Wow, that's some seriously messed up stuff, I'm sorry to hear about that man. Perhaps I am blind, but I didn't notice you mentioning how many cycles of m1t (if any) you were on while you gained the weight back. Congratulations for recovering, you've got a pretty sweet physique going there!

Im having a hell of a time getting out of bed in the mornings. Is this considered lethargy? Like I said, I haven't been using the 4ad, do you think this is the problem... every year when the seasons change I either a) get sick or b) feel awful until I get used to the temp change. So I don't know if either are to blame. I feel fine during the day after I have woke up, if anything, I feel empowered and full of energy.

Any suggestions on when to start cutting down my bf? I'm about to end this cycle (wednesday of next week). I am 5'11 @ 181.5 (rising about 3/4 a pound per day so far on this M1T cycle) and I would estimate my bf to be 10%. I think I will end up at 185 or so by end of cycle and then I will be doing your PCT to try to keep the gains. I've only been training for about 7 months (definately a newbie trying to learn as much as I can)... should I keep bulking up or start cutting my fat down?

Also, this is the second cycle of M1T I have done, first cycle I only used M1T and then Novadex for PCT. I only gained like 6 lbs and lost 4 of it shortly thereafter. I wasn't eating enough. I started this cycle at 174, Im up to 181.5 as of today, trying to eat as much as I can (probably hitting 2500-3k calories a day and a gram/pound of protein per pound of weight). It's about impossible for me to gain weight it seems.

Any suggestions anybody has feel free to shoot them my way!

Eat more and keep bulking. Then cut after pct, that should get you bigger and more cut when all is said and done.

[Soldier of Misfortune]

YAAAAAAAAAAYY!!! Steroid Control Act of 2004 passed! We have 90 days till our favorite legal steroid is illegal! Not that its exciting, it pretty well sucks. Wont stop me from doin it tho. My cycle is only 56 days long so it will still be legal when I finish.

[rev911apollyon]

What do you guys think about Legal Gears M1t and their transdermal 4-AD, they alos have their Formadrol, which is thier post cycle ****.

[nsa]

IMO the best value is getting underground labs m1t and dermabolics 4-derm...

[Soldier of Misfortune]

IMO the best value is getting underground labs m1t and dermabolics 4-derm...

Amen.

[clockworks]

If m1t doesn't aromatize into estrogen, why does it cause bloat?

I tend to rip up some while on tren /prop. If I add m1t to the end of a tren/prop cycle, will it increase or decrease the cuts I get?

Thanks for the info.

[nsa]

M1t itself doesn't cause the bloat, its the 4-ad aromatization that causes bloat. If your adding m1t to the end of a tren /prop cycle it will not change the cuts you have.

[clockworks]

M1t itself doesn't cause the bloat, its the 4-ad aromatization that causes bloat. If your adding m1t to the end of a tren/prop cycle it will not change the cuts you have.

Cool, might want to edit the original FAQ then. Nit picky, I know, but it confused me enough to ask the question.

The side effects reported by users of methyl 1-test are many and individual reactions vary considerably. The most commonly reported side effect is lethargy, which can range from mild to severe. Other common side effects include increased blood pressure, bloating, joint pains, cramps, mild headaches, insomnia, aggressiveness, and irritability.

[DustinLati]

i was at my local health food store today, where i buy my multi's and flax seed oil, so i decided to look for hawthorne berry extract and milk thistle.

I found "Hawthorne" and "Hawthorne Berries" (both were liquids, came in 1 oz jars, and i believe were $9.99)....is this the stuff im looking for, or the "extract" something completely different, because neither one said extract anywhere on the bottle

I also found milk thistle which was a liquid, and came in the same 1 oz jar and i believe was $9.99. Is this the right stuff?

Edit: I googled up HBE and MT, and pretty much everything i found came in capsules. Are capsules the most "efficient" or "most availabe-for-my-body" way to go?

Also, i know m1t is going to be illegal soon, is 4ad going to be as well?

[Soldier of Misfortune]

My HBE and MT are both caps. I think theyre easier than liquid cuz you just pop em down.

Yes, M1T and 4ad will both be illegal soon. Anything that has "andro" in the name is on the chopping block. But by the end of my first cycle they are still legal. hahaha F-You government.

[jmillerdls]

lol, same here...i finish my PCT Dec 25th...if i like the results, maybe i can quickly purchase some more before dooms day

[nsa]

My next cycle is going to be:

weeks 1-4: 20 mg of m1t ED
weeks 1-8: 100 mg of test prop EOD
weeks 1-8: 100 mg of 1-test cyp EOD
weeks 5-11: 50 mg of winstrol
weeks 9-11: 12 sprays of 4-derm ED
weeks 1-12: .25 mg L-dex ED
weeks 12-15: Clomid (300-100-50) ED
weeks 12-15: 20 mg of nolvadex ED
weeks 1-15: 1 gram of milk thistle ED