My 8 week log

**Reed** · 08-06-2008, 01:49 PM

Or Abbot if your reading this there is a couple good list out there that break down these products pretty good. Tells what each one converts to and some notes that go along with it. Might be sticky worthy but then again probably not the best to promote these type products. I can PM you if you'd like. Just a thought

**Reed** · 08-06-2008, 02:06 PM

Anyway Day 18: Didn't weigh in. Really starting to feel the intensity. I'm also stepping up my water intake due to my piss being Volunteer orange this morning.

Chest:
Incline Smith: warm up 2 sets 135
225 x15
275 x12
315 x7

DB press: 90 x15
110 x12
140 x6 (was guided on the last two reps, only a little help on last one)

Incline hammer: 180 x20
270 x12
320 x7

Crossovers: 60 x20
80 x20
100 x15

Back:
3/4 Dead: 135 x20
225 x15
315 x13 felt lower back wasn't 100 percent due to it being used 48 hrs ago so I cut these short. Going to take 2 days off after this cycle then start rotating the deads every other workout.

Close grip cable: 140 x20
200 x15
240 x12

Hammer Row: 180 x20
270 x15
360 x13

Reverse grip pulldowns: 140 x15
180 x15
200 x12

The dumbbell press really threw me off, I put everything I had into those and my chest was sore after that but I pushed on. Going to finish these last two days up and take two days off to rest up. All in all I'm pleased

**toneloc85** · 08-07-2008, 12:11 AM

yea bro if you could send me that list ,also what would have to be taken in order to prep for it. and for pct would i have to find a way to get nolvadex or clomid or could i use an otc product like 6-oxo or nolvadex xt by gaspiri? appreciate the info.

**Reed** · 08-07-2008, 07:51 PM

Day 19: Didn't weigh in. Still feeling the intensity. Had a decent workout

Biceps: Db curl: 25 x20
40 x15
55 x10

Preacher curl: 75 x15
95 x12
125 x7

Machine curl: x15
x15
x10

Triceps: Close grip press: warm up on bar
135 x20
185 x15
225 x12
225 x10
135 x15

Skullcrushers: 75 x20
95 x15
125 x15

Ropepress with squeeze: x20
x20
x15

Shoulders:
Db lat: 35 x25
45 x15
65 x8

Rear delt machine: 120 x15
135 x15
150 x12
Bent over flyes: 35 x20
50 x12 Trying to bring up the rear

Military press: 135 x15
185 x15
225 x4, don't know what happened here, I think body quit on me since this was after my arm and most of my shoulders workout. A real ego burst, I cried a little....

Db Shrugs: 80 x20
110 x20
130 x15
Behing back smith: 225 x20
315 x15
405 x12

It was a decent workout but my body is pushing for a new routine but for me personally when I run these type products I WILL NOT progress as fast unless I hit everything twice a week. But then again I am much stronger than when I first started and all the extra weight probably wears me down quicker Might give a push/pull routine a shot and just focus on pumping my shoulders up since I feel they are my best body part. Anyone got any experience with that type of routine and how to make the most of it because I want to continue to get stronger on all body parts?

**Reed** · 08-08-2008, 03:52 PM

Day 20: Weight: 224.5 I was like whaaat when I weighed in. I think my weight gain is due to the fact I leaned down in March to 215 at about 6-8%, got injured and lost weight. So my body weight is increasing through many factors one being muscle memory, a bulking diet, and the products. Today was leg day and I'm finally getting my legs back to size they were at this winter and my strength is increasing

Legs:
Leg extensions: 95 x20
125 x20
150 x20 do all of these with a pause at the top

Smith Squat: 2 warm up sets with 135
225 x15
315 x15
365 x10
405 x7
455 x4 w/ a drop set of 225 till failure

Power squat machine: 360 x15
560 x12
650 x10

Leg Press: 500 x20
750 x20
1000 x20

Stiff Deads: 135 x20
135 x20
185 x20
225 x15

Lay down curl: 95 x20
125 x15
155 x15

Single leg curl: 60 x20
70 x20
90 x20

Calves and a set of lunges till failure. Now alot of people would think this is overtraining with the amount I'm doing but for me any type of anabolic changes the game. Obviously I'm not over training because I'm making gains. How do people expect to make substantial gains when only going to the gym 4x a week while on cycle?? When it comes to this you HAVE TO put your body through MORE stress to get to an elite level, its just that simple. More is not always better in some areas but when it comes to this it is. I'm going to reward myself with a huge cheat meal today and take two days off to rest up. YEEAAAAH BUDDDY!!! oh and I'll post some pics in a couple of days.

**Jfew44** · 08-08-2008, 05:10 PM

Looks like the PH cycle is goin great for ya bro. I went on one a couple years back when I was younger and stupid. Me and my buddies bought a bunch of Andro and didn't make any gains. My friends mom found it and had it tested. It was all fake. Anyways, glad yours is workin for ya.

BTW, entire back is looking phenominal!

**Reed** · 08-09-2008, 12:44 PM

Thanks^^^^

Day 21: off day, going to a show later today.

**stpete** · 08-09-2008, 05:09 PM

Keep up the good work bro. Gettin strong, and i agree with the comment about your back. Looking good.
Just curious as to what your cheat meal was. I just love food and maybe you'll give me an idea.

**Reed** · 08-09-2008, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by stpete

Keep up the good work bro. Gettin strong, and i agree with the comment about your back. Looking good.
Just curious as to what your cheat meal was. I just love food and maybe you'll give me an idea.

I actually reserved my cheat meal for today. I knew I was coming over to the parents and I know how they eat. I had ribs, buffalo chicken, mash, broc, fried shrimp, and some spinach dip as my cheat meal today. It was good

**stpete** · 08-09-2008, 08:09 PM

MMMMM...That sounds good.

**Reed** · 08-10-2008, 09:45 PM

Day 22: off day,

**Reed** · 08-11-2008, 02:30 PM

Day 23: Weight: scale is messed up, again. But I'm swelling up, just joined the 150 dumbbell club. It killed me though

Incline Smith: warm up 135
225 x15
275 x15
315 x8
365 x4 had someone put hands on bar for any help necessary*

Dumbbell press: 90 x15
110 x15
140 x8 (last three with spotters hands on elbows for guidance, a little help on last rep)
150 x3 last two with hands on elbow but no help "Ain't nothing to it but to do it" Ronnie

Incline pec deck : 90 x15
120 x15
150 x15 slow and controlled

Barbell rows: 135 x20
225 x15
225 x15

Seat close grip row: 160 x15
200 x15
240 x15

Hammer Row: 180 x20
270 x15
360 x15

Lat pull down: 150 x20
200 x15
250 x5 drop back to 150 till failure

Dumbbell pullovers: 110 x15
120 x12
130 x8

*This is my method of getting stronger by just putting the weight in my hand and doing a mix of a press/negative and if I fail its not a big deal just try again next time. I know there are much more conventional methods of getting stronger. But it as been working so far, thats how I got to 275 and 315 on the press. Usually just have a spotter help as little as possible but there to make sure I get a couple of reps. It is a mix of press/negative because I might get a rep by myself but some assistance on the last few reps. Then master that weight for 8 to 10 reps and move on up.

"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." W. Churchill

Today was a real good day. I am very pleased.

**T_Own** · 08-11-2008, 04:41 PM

nice nice. i read up most of the log before. that dumbbell press is pretty nice. do you know what your flat bench max is?

i've gotten 100s once, but i never do db press and i had bad balance so i didn't go for more lol.

lookin good though

**Reed** · 08-11-2008, 05:08 PM

No, I've never done a flat bench max. Since most of the spotters I have can't lift much off of me I elect to do smith on the bench press for safety reasons. I got good at dumbbells due to the fact at the gym I started working out at we only had dumbbells and no barbell for "safety" reasons. They went up to 90 lbs which my little ass thought they were the biggest dumbbells in the world. So for the first two years of my lifting I only did dumbbells for all free weight press movements. I remember when I started though, couldn't even get the 55's up, now 5 years later its almost unreal that I reached that. It hasn't even sunk in all the way

**T_Own** · 08-11-2008, 05:28 PM

lol i remember thinking the same thing, but about 75lbs. i started lifting as a sophmore in high school and i thought these kids were huge cause they could get the 75s like 4 times lol. i just graduated this year and came a long way so far too.

my friend likes to remind me that i started flat bench at 100 for sets haha, just cause now i kill him in it

**Reed** · 08-12-2008, 07:58 PM

Day 24: Leg Day. Odd day, had to get up extra early for work which made me tired all day. I elected to do my routine different and it payed off. I started with lay down curls, then extensions, and then moved to my squats and began to rotate b/w hams and quads. I'm in the process of bring up my hamstrings. This route caused me to not be as strong on certain exercises but boy did I get an insane pump, I'm talking the quad felt like is bursting through the skin and you could see the veins peeking through. Really wild today.

Hamstring Lay down curl
warm up 95 x30 twice
125 x20 drop to 95 for 15
140 x15 drop to 95 for 15
155 x12 drop to 95 for 12
155 x10 drop to 95 for 15

Stiff Deads: 135 x20
135 x20
185 x20
185 x20

Single curl: 90 x15
110 x15
120 x12

Leg extensions: 80 x30
95 x20
125 x20
140 x15 this pumped me up pretty good

Smith Squat: 2 warm up with 135 x20
225 x20
315 x12
365 x10
405 x6 strength went down but pump was incredible

Power Squat: 400 x15
580 x10
670 x6

Did calves. Another good day

**Reed** · 08-13-2008, 03:06 PM

Day 25: Good day. Now that school is starting back for everyone else my work hours will start to go up to as much as 60 hrs a week. Its def. going to be over 40 though. So I might take it down a notch to be back at everything once a week but its not for sure though. Went kinda wild on my arms today. Just pumped them up till I couldn't do anymore. My trainer was in disbelief when he saw me, he was in shock that I put on that much beef in the time he was gone.

ME VERY HAPPY ME VERY HUNGRY

Shoulders:
Db overhead press: warm up 45lb 2 sets
75 x15
90 x12
110 x7

Side Laterals: 40 x15
55 x12
55 x12

Rear Lat: 35 x20
45 x20
55 x15

DB shrugs: 85 x20
130 x15
150 x12
150 x12

Hammer Curls: 30 x15
40 x15
50 x12

Preacher curl: 75 x20
105 x15
105 x15

CC curl (where you hang your arm, not in b/w your legs with elbow)
35 x15
40 x15
50 x10

Triceps
Close grip: 135 x15 supersetted with elbow-in push ups till failure
185 x15 supersetted " " " "
225 x12 supersetted""""
135 x20 supersetted """"

Rope pushdowns: x25
x20
x20

Seated dip: 90 x20
180 x15
180 x15

**abbot138** · 08-13-2008, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Reed500

Day 24: Leg Day. Odd day, had to get up extra early for work which made me tired all day. I elected to do my routine different and it payed off. I started with lay down curls, then extensions, and then moved to my squats and began to rotate b/w hams and quads. I'm in the process of bring up my hamstrings. This route caused me to not be as strong on certain exercises but boy did I get an insane pump, I'm talking the quad felt like is bursting through the skin and you could see the veins peeking through. Really wild today.

Hamstring Lay down curl
warm up 95 x30 twice
125 x20 drop to 95 for 15
140 x15 drop to 95 for 15
155 x12 drop to 95 for 12
155 x10 drop to 95 for 15

Stiff Deads: 135 x20
135 x20
185 x20
185 x20

Single curl: 90 x15
110 x15
120 x12

Leg extensions: 80 x30
95 x20
125 x20
140 x15 this pumped me up pretty good

Smith Squat: 2 warm up with 135 x20
225 x20
315 x12
365 x10
405 x6 strength went down but pump was incredible

Power Squat: 400 x15
580 x10
670 x6

Did calves. Another good day

Yeah, i love the pre-exhaust with legs, just gotta check the ol' ego at the door bc strength does go down considerably....Def a good way to shock the muscles.

**Reed** · 08-13-2008, 03:48 PM

Yeah some days I'll try to do it ronnie coleman style and some days I'll go more controlled fiber poppin reps. I try to never do more than I know I can reasonably do. I honestly get worried on some exercises that I might get injured but i know that I have to do it if I want to get bigger. Thanks for lookin at my log

**abbot138** · 08-13-2008, 04:01 PM

No prob, i been keeping up with it. Its always nice to see such a detailed log of a dedicated lifter. Good inspiration for me to keep going heavier. I know what your saying about the heavy lifts, you gotta walk that thin line between going heavy and going TOO heavy/sacrificing form/and risking injury.

**stpete** · 08-13-2008, 04:55 PM

"YEAHHH BUDDY!!! Good work Reed.

**Reed** · 08-14-2008, 02:40 PM

Day 26: off day. Well as predicted I got ****ed in the ass on the work schedule for the next few months. Going to be doing around 50+ hrs a week so I'm thrilled. NOT! Since this is happening I will finish up with the routine I have now on the superdrol and then go back to everything once a week.

I will be working out a good schedule that will include a split between my hams and quads on different days. I'm going to try and work everything out so that I can also get my arms brought up as well. It will be a different routine then the norm, will probably post it either today or tomorrow. Back to the drawing boards

**BigSwol** · 08-14-2008, 07:39 PM

Nice log bro, I haven't been here in a grip but I've been missing out on all the good stuff it seems. I've been at BB.com forever now. I've been running ph/ps for several yrs now. Anyhow great progress, you look fn houygee!!

BigSwol

**Reed** · 08-15-2008, 07:33 PM

Day 27: Chest/Back. Another good Friday night workout. Strength is increasing. Didn't have my spotter which sucked cause I wanted to try my 150s again. Strength increases may not translate on paper to more reps or more weight but the way I am able to handle the weight. Like today it was almost as though I was toying with 315 on the incline smith and 360 on the hammer press. Got some really good solid reps in with good control and maximum contraction. I go b/w explosive power reps and slow controlled reps.

Chest Incline Smith: warm up 135, 2 sets
225 x15
225 x15
275 x12
315 x8

Incline Hammer Press: 180 x 20
270 x15
360 x9

Vertical Seated Press (you put plates on it and it starts out wide and narrows in at top of movement)
180 x15
270 x12
360 x6

Cable Crossovers: 60 x20
80 x15
100 x15

Back:
Wide grip pullups: x15
x15
w/ 35lb plate x9
x15 (This exercise unfortunately seems to be stagnant as I get heavier. I'm not getting any better)

Seated close-grip cable rows: 160 x20
200 x15
240 x12
270 x7

Db rows: 120 x15
140 x15
150 x15

Hammer Row: 180 x20
270 x15
360 x15

**Reed** · 08-15-2008, 10:20 PM

1 Month Recap: My superdrol will be ending tomorrow and I will going on over to the Winztrol which is the old Orastan_E (sp?) compound. I was very pleased with my progress so far. The look of my muscles has changed and I have definately earned some LBM. I don't even really feel that shut down. Only side effects tend to be a evelated blood pressure which can cause me very mild headaches but usually not an issue once enough water is consumed. Blood pressure was 97/71 at the start and now it is 126/65. I believe the lower number dropped due to the addition of hawthorn berry into the beginning of my cycle. Recently studies suggest that it only lowers the diastolic pressure and has no effect on the systolic pressure. Which is not really a good thing due to the fact that recent studies also suggest it is the systolic pressure that is more responsible for the greater risk of death and heart disease.
Anyway, my weight is up by a undefined amount as the scales I have are useless. The thing weighed my in at 232 and I know I'm not that heavy. More like 225. I have seen improvement in all my parts. Strength is up quite a bit. I went from struggling with 275 for 8 reps on the smith to man handling 315 on the smith for 8. My leg strength is back on par and my arms, back and shoulders are making improvement. All side effects were minimum and gains were worth it. Will probably get blood work after PCT though.

Give me a chance to get back to normal. And here are pics, there crappy as usual.

**wukillabee** · 08-16-2008, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Reed500

1 Month Recap: My superdrol will be ending tomorrow and I will going on over to the Winztrol which is the old Orastan_E (sp?) compound. I was very pleased with my progress so far. The look of my muscles has changed and I have definately earned some LBM. I don't even really feel that shut down. Only side effects tend to be a evelated blood pressure which can cause me very mild headaches but usually not an issue once enough water is consumed. Blood pressure was 97/71 at the start and now it is 126/65. I believe the lower number dropped due to the addition of hawthorn berry into the beginning of my cycle. Recently studies suggest that it only lowers the diastolic pressure and has no effect on the systolic pressure. Which is not really a good thing due to the fact that recent studies also suggest it is the systolic pressure that is more responsible for the greater risk of death and heart disease.
Anyway, my weight is up by a undefined amount as the scales I have are useless. The thing weighed my in at 232 and I know I'm not that heavy. More like 225. I have seen improvement in all my parts. Strength is up quite a bit. I went from struggling with 275 for 8 reps on the smith to man handling 315 on the smith for 8. My leg strength is back on par and my arms, back and shoulders are making improvement. All side effects were minimum and gains were worth it. Will probably get blood work after PCT though.

Give me a chance to get back to normal. And here are pics, there crappy as usual.

Wow bro, fu*king ripped and huge! Considering youve never done any aas before thats pretty amazing to me ur physique! Hopefully i get that big and ripped after my test e cycle, id be more than happy with that. Might be just a bad pic/angle but seems ur calves are lacking. Other than that, everything else seems to be proportioned great bro. Glad to see ur gains and progress. You'll like the winztrol bro, will help harden up those muscles.

**stpete** · 08-16-2008, 09:27 PM

Your arms look good man, and so does everything else for that matter. But have you looked at your delts lately? Especially in your last pic? They're fvckin huge bro. Very nice.

**Reed** · 08-16-2008, 10:33 PM

Thanks guys!

Yeah my calves are slightly lacking and look pretty bad in that pic because one leg is forward while the other is more back. Any pic I take with this camera doesn't do anything justice of what it really looks like. Most people say they are above average and are about 16.25 inches where my arms have just got over 18 inches. You'd have to see them in person. But your right its a focus I've been on for a while now. Should have seen them before I started, it was like a shin bone, it was pitiful

**Reed** · 08-16-2008, 10:45 PM

Day 28: Today was a long day 10 hour day at work which made my lethargy even worse. I almost didn't make it to the gym due to my laziness. About feel asleep when I got home but pushed through it only to get so far today and had to cut it short. Did another pre-exhaust day which made the workout even harder.

Hamstring Curl: warm up 95 x30 twice
125 x20 drop to 95 for 15
140 x15 drop to 95 for 15
155 x12 drop to 95 for 12
155 x10 drop to 95 for 15

Leg extension: 95 x20
95 x20
125 x15
140 x15

Squat : warm-up 135 2 sets
225 x15
315 x12
405 x8

Stiff-deads: 135 x20
135 x20
225 x15
225 x15

Power Squat machine: 270 x15. And this is where I quit for the day. It was 11:30 at night and I was exhausted. My quads and knees were shaking and I thought doing any heavier might cause me to become injured. I know I'm a vag and hopefully I didn't lose all my gains LOL

Did calves throughout the workout.

* Also going to run the superdrol for one more day tomorrow just to end this workout cycle on the same chemicals then start on the Winztrol the next day. I appreciate everyone's encouragement and comments. Makes all the daily sacrifices worth it. Thanks!

**Reed** · 08-17-2008, 08:54 PM

Day 29: Last day of the infamous superdrol. Hopefully my strength stays. Didn't have a spotter today.

Shoulders:
DB press: warm up w/ 30
55 x25
75 x20
90 x15
100 x12 NEW FEAT, never been able to flip up over 90lbs on the press for a minute now. Usually put one up on my shoulder and have a spotter put another in the other hand but I gripped those 100s like it owned me money and made it my bitch.

Db Lat: 35 x30
45 x20
65 x11

Rear lat cables: x20
x15
x15

Shrugs: 90 x20
110 x20
140 x15
140 x15

Biceps
BB curl: warm up w/ 65
85 x20
105 x15
125 x15

Hammer curl: 35 x20
45 x20
60 x10
Hanging arm curl: 35 x20
45 x12
45 x12

Tri
Rope press: x20
x20
x15

Incline seated db extension: 90 x15
110 x15
130 x9

Single arm extension: 35 x20
45 x15
45 x15

**Reed** · 08-17-2008, 08:56 PM

Edited, day was posted twice.

**Reed** · 08-18-2008, 01:29 PM

Day 30: off day. Changed over to the Winztrol. This is a new compound so we will see what happens!!!

**abbot138** · 08-18-2008, 01:33 PM

100x12 on DB press is impressive my friend! And yeah doesnt it suck gettin those things up to your shoulders, its a shame bc i love this exercise, but anything over 85 is more work to get them up than to do the set. lol.

**Reed** · 08-19-2008, 06:48 PM

Day 31: Decided to have another off day because I had the chance to go out on the lake. Did some wake boarding and had 2 cheat meals today. It was nice to get away and relax for a day but I'm right back to it tomorrow.

**Reed** · 08-20-2008, 08:06 PM

Day 32: Started my new routine. Today was a hard emotional day, had alot of things to deal with that were not work related(not woman problems either). So I channeled all the sadness, frustration, and anger into todays workout and it seemed to help.

Back/Bi's

3/4 Deads: warm up 135
225 x20
315 x12
405 x10
455 x6 I use a super close grip and find this harder then regular dead because it eliminates any leg work, thats just me though. All lower back just trying to get it THICK!

Db row: 90 x20
120 x15
160 x10

Cable Row: 160 x20
220 x15
240 x12
240 +35lb plate x7 My gym weight only goes to 260 but I find the pully system acts weird if you put on 260 so I strapped on a 35lb plate. Don't must gyms go up to 400?? This will be interesting once I start getting bigger and more powerful.

Behind neck pulldowns: x20
x15
x15

Hammer Rows: 180 x20
360 x12

BB curl: warm up with 65
95 x20
115 x15
135 x10

Preacher curl machine: x20
x15
x15

Hammer Curls: 35 x15
55 x12
65 x12

Single arm cable curls: x20
x15

Today was hard, getting back into focusing on just one group and people kept coming up to me and wanting to talk. Need to get my headphones back so I can stay focused.

**wukillabee** · 08-20-2008, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Reed500

Day 32: Started my new routine. Today was a hard emotional day, had alot of things to deal with that were not work related(not woman problems either). So I channeled all the sadness, frustration, and anger into todays workout and it seemed to help.

Back/Bi's

3/4 Deads: warm up 135
225 x20
315 x12
405 x10
455 x6 I use a super close grip and find this harder then regular dead because it eliminates any leg work, thats just me though. All lower back just trying to get it THICK!

Db row: 90 x20
120 x15
160 x10

Cable Row: 160 x20
220 x15
240 x12
240 +35lb plate x7 My gym weight only goes to 260 but I find the pully system acts weird if you put on 260 so I strapped on a 35lb plate. Don't must gyms go up to 400?? This will be interesting once I start getting bigger and more powerful.

Behind neck pulldowns: x20
x15
x15

Hammer Rows: 180 x20
360 x12

BB curl: warm up with 65
95 x20
115 x15
135 x10

Preacher curl machine: x20
x15
x15

Hammer Curls: 35 x15
55 x12
65 x12

Single arm cable curls: x20
x15

Today was hard, getting back into focusing on just one group and people kept coming up to me and wanting to talk. Need to get my headphones back so I can stay focused.

Fu*k bro, 160lb dumbell rows for 10 reps? Thats fu*kin crazy to me and no aas? My pu**y Ballys gym only goes up to 120lb dumbells and so does l.a. fitness. Those are the main corporate gyms around here, 24hr fitness to but theyre way ghetto. Never tried a golds gym, im sure they have bigger dumbells. Then again, never had a reason to lift a 160lb dumbell, haha. Sounds like u got some solid routines workin for yeah, hope the winztrol helps dry u out more. U still takin the revolt? Oh, what dose u takin the winztrol at?

**Reed** · 08-20-2008, 08:53 PM

Yeah I've always been pretty strong, even before I started bodybuilding, I use to do competitive rock climbing and with just my middle fingers I was able to 8 pull ups (thats considered a one finger pullup haha). With my hands facing away from me I was able to do 50+ pullups in a row. I think this is how I got my strong back. I use to stay real real lean(130lbs) and train for climbing. Did pushups, pullups, and curls. Back then didn't even know workout supplements existed!

Yes still on the revolt, I'm also taking 250 mg of the winztrol daily. Did some more reading and was wondering if thats enough. So dude on another form said at 190 he was having to take 350mgs to get gains and I'm over 220.

**wukillabee** · 08-20-2008, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by Reed500

Yeah I've always been pretty strong, even before I started bodybuilding, I use to do competitive rock climbing and with just my middle fingers I was able to 8 pull ups (thats considered a one finger pullup haha). With my hands facing away from me I was able to do 50+ pullups in a row. I think this is how I got my strong back. I use to stay real real lean(130lbs) and train for climbing. Did pushups, pullups, and curls. Back then didn't even know workout supplements existed!

Yes still on the revolt, I'm also taking 250 mg of the winztrol daily. Did some more reading and was wondering if thats enough. So dude on another form said at 190 he was having to take 350mgs to get gains and I'm over 220.

Fu*k, i forgot the ratio for the winztrol. You should be good with 250-300mg ed, i know its around that range for ur weight. I see more than 300mg a waste, bump it up if ur not feeling anything after a week of using it. No water retention from the revolt? Most logs ive seen said it retains water like phera-plex, thats what made me stay away from it.

**wukillabee** · 08-20-2008, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Reed500

First off here are my stats: 5'11'', 210, 5 years training, 5 prohormone cycles.
Ok after weeks of looking for Test E my town seems to be dried up, at least the two sources I trust(thats a key word) are unable to come through. I have my first competition in a year and I trying to gain as much lean mass as possible. This is why I am starting this stack. I just came off my lower back muscle being pulled. Lost some weight and size in my legs and traps. Been back at it in full force for about two weeks. This is about the same time I started my new bulking diet. Regaining what I lost doesn't seem to be as easy as hoped, strength as come back but not the fullness of certain muscles. Thats why on Sunday I will begin this cycle which is:

Revolt wk1-8: 75mg
MDrol wk1-4:20,30,30,30
Winztrol wk4-8:250 mg

This will be my hardest stack to date. I have preloaded three weeks with milk thistle (1000mg) and 2 weeks with RYR (1200) and CoQ10(150mg) .
During the cycle I will continue to take Milk thistle at 2000 mg, RYR at 1200mg, CoQ10 at 250 mg, and will add Hawthrone berry at 1100mg for keeping the blood pressure in check (or at least trying). In addition to these supplements I will take glutamine, AAKG, and a joint supplement. Will save the creatine and beta alanine for PCT which is Clomid/Arimidex .

My routine will be my usual lean mass gain that I have alot of success with which is an old school routine.
Day 1: Chest/Back
Day 2: Legs
Day 3: Shoulders/ Arms
Day 4: off
This routine will also be designed with specific exercises to help bring up what I feel are weak points. Will list excercise while posting. Calves with be worked in with a 2on, 1off, 2on, 2off split. I will also add an extra off day following day 4 when need be. This routine might seem too much for some but I've done it all natural before and seen progress.

My diet:
Meal 1: 2 slices of white bread
1.5 scoops of whey
10 egg whites/
1 cup of oatmeal
1 banana
Meal 2: 8 oz of buffalo meat
1 cup of brown rice
bowl of salad w/ tbsp olive oil
Meal 3: 8 oz. of chicken
8 oz sweet pot
(Pre-workout food)

(Post-workout food)
Meal 4: 2.5 scoops of whey
4 pieces of white bread
1 banana
Meal 5: 8 oz of steak
1 cup of brown rice
bowl of salad w 1 tbsp olive oil
Meal 6: 8 oz of chicken
1 cup of brown rice w/ Odo’s blend
Meal 7: 50 g of casein protein (before bed)

I snack between meal 5 and 6 and I have cottage cheese or something with peanut butter at anytime during the day. Once or twice a week I will have a cheat meal of my choosing. Havent done my macros but my guestimate would be 375-400 grams of protein, 425-450 grams of carbs, and 70-90 grams of fat. Again this might seem like too much for some but given work, my metabolism, my routine, and the anabolics it is what suits me. Any suggestions on the diet will be taken into consideration.

Bro, send me a pm when u get a chance. Not workin right now with my cellphone browser.

**Reed** · 08-21-2008, 08:52 PM

Day 33: I am having great success with this cycle! I've been off the superdrol for a couple days now and I'm still increasing strength. The only probably is I can tell my joints and tendons are beginning to pay the price. I have never been this strong. Before my break I was able to get the 140s on flat up for 4 reps and had hit 315 for 5 reps before. Now its like the weight isn't even that hard to put up!!

Chest/Tri's
Incline Smith: warmup with 135 2 sets
225 x15
275 x15
315 x10

Flat Db press: 90 x15
110 x15
140 x8
150 x6 (this time my spotter had his hands on my elbows the whole time but did not help push up, I was shocked I put it up that many times!!)

Wide press machine: 90 x25
180 x15
270 x15
270 x12

Incline Flyes: 55 x15
switched to incline pec deck because my wrist was hurting, did 2 sets

Tri's:
Rope pushdown: x20
x20
x15

Dips: body weight x15
w 45lb x15
w 90lb x15

Skullcrushers: 75 x20
125 x15 wrist was hurting so I switched to a straight bar pushdown for 2 more sets

I think since I'm no longer doing chest/back on the same day I'm able to get alot more out of these days and I'm stronger because of it.