Gearheaded’s crazy EXPERIMENTS log

[GearHeaded]

UPDATE -

So as excepted . the initial gram of Tren and 2 grams of test kicking in and making me feel like shit and on edge and totally unable to sleep has simply now become my new normal. I'm getting accustomed to it. I'll just live, eat, train, work , etc. and do all that I need to do , doesn't matter how I feel or not.
when it first hits you, you second guess your self and question wither or not you want to go through with feeling uncomfortable like this or not. but then a few days pass and your used to it.

so now fuck it, its all about the gains !!

The 'Tren Stregth' is kicking in. on my press day I incline hammer strength pressed 5 plates per side and that didn't phase me (haven't went that heavy in awhile) . overhead press 205 for very very strict form (all on my delts) and repped it out for multiple sets of 8-10. hit some arms and hammer curled 90lb dumbbells for sets of 12.

this is why I don't run Tren for longer then 6-8 weeks or so. getting amped up and a lot stronger is great, but it can only last for a short phase. otherwise I feel your going to just wreck yourself always pushing heavier and heavier weight.

but I'll take it for now.
the only time I feel good and normal is the 2-3 hours I'm in the gym. so feeling strong is a big bonus right now

[charger69]

UPDATE -

So as excepted . the initial gram of Tren and 2 grams of test kicking in and making me feel like shit and on edge and totally unable to sleep has simply now become my new normal. I'm getting accustomed to it. I'll just live, eat, train, work , etc. and do all that I need to do , doesn't matter how I feel or not.
when it first hits you, you second guess your self and question wither or not you want to go through with feeling uncomfortable like this or not. but then a few days pass and your used to it.

so now fuck it, its all about the gains !!

The 'Tren Stregth' is kicking in. on my press day I incline hammer strength pressed 5 plates per side and that didn't phase me (haven't went that heavy in awhile) . overhead press 205 for very very strict form (all on my delts) and repped it out for multiple sets of 8-10. hit some arms and hammer curled 90lb dumbbells for sets of 12.

this is why I don't run Tren for longer then 6-8 weeks or so. getting amped up and a lot stronger is great, but it can only last for a short phase. otherwise I feel your going to just wreck yourself always pushing heavier and heavier weight.

but I'll take it for now.
the only time I feel good and normal is the 2-3 hours I'm in the gym. so feeling strong is a big bonus right now

Are you actually training 2-3 hours in one session? Including cardio?


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[GearHeaded]

not sure if anyone has noticed or not , but my current cycle phase is
Test/ Tren / Mast
which is a traditional and popular contest prep or cutting cycle . however I'm using it for massing.

to mass I'm having to implement these drugs a bit differently.
so cycle is
test e 2000mg per week
Tren 1000mg per week (e, ace, and suspension)
Mast p 525mg per week

to gain size with this cycle, rather then lean out like most guys use it for, I'm running 2 grams of test with no AI. This is going to get my estrogen pretty elevated, which is going to work synergistically with the super high amounts of androgens I'm running (when you do the math I'm running 7500mg per week of testosterone equivalent androgens). the super high amount of androgens will off set some of the negative sides that can come with elevated estrogen, yet enhance the positive benefits of the growth that comes with elevated estrogen.

TREN is very very synergistic for muscle growth when combined with high levels of estrogen (this is why ranchers inject cattle with not only Tren to bulk them up, but high amounts of estrogen).

the masteron is in there as a secondary androgen but will help keep my free levels of test on the high end, and also blunt some of the negative effects that can come from prolactin .

so thats how you run a Test/tren/mast cycle for growth rather then for cutting.

of course adding 40iu a day of insulin helps too

just for reference a traditional Test/tren/mast cycle for a cut would look like
400mg test per week
700mg Tren per week
500mg mast per week
AI

[charger69]

not sure if anyone has noticed or not , but my current cycle phase is
Test/ Tren / Mast
which is a traditional and popular contest prep or cutting cycle . however I'm using it for massing.

to mass I'm having to implement these drugs a bit differently.
so cycle is
test e 2000mg per week
Tren 1000mg per week (e, ace, and suspension)
Mast p 525mg per week

to gain size with this cycle, rather then lean out like most guys use it for, I'm running 2 grams of test with no AI. This is going to get my estrogen pretty elevated, which is going to work synergistically with the super high amounts of androgens I'm running (when you do the math I'm running 7500mg per week of testosterone equivalent androgens). the super high amount of androgens will off set some of the negative sides that can come with elevated estrogen, yet enhance the positive benefits of the growth that comes with elevated estrogen.

TREN is very very synergistic for muscle growth when combined with high levels of estrogen (this is why ranchers inject cattle with not only Tren to bulk them up, but high amounts of estrogen).

the masteron is in there as a secondary androgen but will help keep my free levels of test on the high end, and also blunt some of the negative effects that can come from prolactin .

so thats how you run a Test/tren/mast cycle for growth rather then for cutting.

of course adding 40iu a day of insulin helps too

just for reference a traditional Test/tren/mast cycle for a cut would look like
400mg test per week
700mg Tren per week
500mg mast per week
AI

Hey, you stole my cut cycle.... LOL. Just add a little Winnie.


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[GearHeaded]

Hey, you stole my cut cycle.... LOL. Just add a little Winnie.

just pinned the last of my oil based winstrol a couple days ago

[GearHeaded]

Are you actually training 2-3 hours in one session? Including cardio?

yeah I'm doing weights and cardio right now (I don't want my cardio to go to shit while on Tren , its hard enough to just tie my shoes).
my sessions are pretty long right now. but keep in mind thats because I know my strength is going way up on Tren, I really take my time with my workouts and do a ton of warm up and non working sets. I also will take 5+ min breaks and long rests when hitting the intensity sets.
I'm gong for size right now. I don't need to keep my heart rate up while training with heavy weight. I just need quality lifts

[KennyJ]

GH, I read in another thread about how it's a grind for you on your advanced cycles and you explained how you felt. I could definitely understand this with the amounts you run but do you know of any real scientific evidence of downregulation on D1/D2 dopamine receptors or if it was that one single study that the other guy posted?

[GearHeaded]

GH, I read in another thread about how it's a grind for you on your advanced cycles and you explained how you felt. I could definitely understand this with the amounts you run but do you know of any real scientific evidence of downregulation on D1/D2 dopamine receptors or if it was that one single study that the other guy posted?

unfortunately there is not going to be any solid scientific evidence or studies on these things to any substantial degree. thats because the population pool of guys running "non human grade'' drugs like Trenbolone at super high dosages is just not there. theres really not enough subjects to study and more then likely the study couldn't be conducted with real world body builder dosages because it would be deemed 'too dangerous' or 'unethical' .
so we just have to keep being our own test subjects and see what happens.

but keep in mind that steroids have been around for 60+ years. I'm not aware of a lot of retired body builders who took massive amounts of steroids walking around with mental disorders at any higher rate then anyone else.
the odds of having mental problems are probably 100 times greater from simply drinking alcohol regularly or being diabetic (both very common in todays society).
I'd be more worried about your dentist giving you a script for opioids then I would be about your gym bro giving you some Tren .

but thats stuff that is beyond my "expertise" . I'm more focused on androgen receptors then dopamine receptors at this point

[KennyJ]

unfortunately there is not going to be any solid scientific evidence or studies on these things to any substantial degree. thats because the population pool of guys running "non human grade'' drugs like Trenbolone at super high dosages is just not there. theres really not enough subjects to study and more then likely the study couldn't be conducted with real world body builder dosages because it would be deemed 'too dangerous' or 'unethical' .
so we just have to keep being our own test subjects and see what happens.

but keep in mind that steroids have been around for 60+ years. I'm not aware of a lot of retired body builders who took massive amounts of steroids walking around with mental disorders at any higher rate then anyone else.
the odds of having mental problems are probably 100 times greater from simply drinking alcohol regularly or being diabetic (both very common in todays society).
I'd be more worried about your dentist giving you a script for opioids then I would be about your gym bro giving you some Tren .

but thats stuff that is beyond my "expertise" . I'm more focused on androgen receptors then dopamine receptors at this point

Gotcha, yea I haven't even opened the study to read it because I think he said it was done on rats. I may check it out when I get a chance.

[Charlie67]

hey Charlie. well theres quite a few ways to implement different insulin protocols , but thats dependent on your goal and reasons for using insulin.

but no matter the protocol your going to want to get a blood glucose meter (don't even think about insulin use without one). you'll then want to start monitoring your morning fasted blood sugar levels and your post perineal blood sugar levels.
if your fasted blood sugar levels are say 75 before using insulin, and then say 6 weeks after using insulin all that time they are then averaging 105 then you know you've become a bit insulin resistant and its time for a break.
monitoring your post perineal blood sugars is going to tell you how well you process a carb meal. so take this reading about 1.5 hours after eating a carb meal consting of at least 40g of carbs. you should be 130 or under. if your over 130 then you have either some insulin resistance issues, or your not naturally producing enough insulin.

^ these are some basic things you want to know before using insulin.

now once you start using insulin (I'm going to keep this as short as possible) , you can simply start by using 10g of carbs per IU of insulin you use (again this may vary depending on your protocol and insulin type). so take 10iu of Insulin and then consume 100g of carbs. then take your post perineal blood sugar reading. IF your way over 130 then you took in too many carbs for the amount of insulin , if your under 70 and going hypo then you didn't take enough carbs . so just keep doing this and adjust the carbs and dosage as necessary .
keep in mind your body changes over time. sometimes you may dial it in where you know you need 4g of carbs per IU of insulin ,, yet a few months later your sensitivity has changed (through diet and lifestyle modifications) and now you need 8g of carbs.

^ that is all VERY VERY basic. quite a bit more to it then that , but just to give you a rough idea

Thanks for that GH, I appreciate the advice.

I'm not sure about getting into insulin just yet, but this seems like a great, and safe, way to get started. Thanks again!

[charger69]

Thanks for that GH, I appreciate the advice.

I'm not sure about getting into insulin just yet, but this seems like a great, and safe, way to get started. Thanks again!

Charlie,
I was scared shitless that it would kill me and I was determined never to try it. I met GH and he went through it in an elementary level and I said, let’s try it.
I did and it is not that bad thing that will kill you. I will say, you need to respect it.
GH gave the protocol and I followed it- no problems.
I did always have glycogen tablets available in a hurry.


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[Obs]

Do it or you have no balls

[Charlie67]

Do it or you have no balls

Haha, Obs, you missed your calling as a motivational speaker.... I'm pretty sure that was the EXACT same advice that got me to try pot the first time.

Charlie,
I was scared shitless that it would kill me and I was determined never to try it. I met GH and he went through it in an elementary level and I said, let’s try it.
I did and it is not that bad thing that will kill you. I will say, you need to respect it.
GH gave the protocol and I followed it- no problems.
I did always have glycogen tablets available in a hurry.


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Thanks Charger, it's a little less about fear and more about need. I can't quite seem to figure out what it will do for me given my current diet/training. I think I need to figure out a goal and then see how insulin might help me get there. I'm kind of just treading water right now, and have been since the end of the last competition in October. I know we talked a few times about me maybe doing a show in the next year or two... But until I get my mind set on something, adding insulin just complicates things for me. there's about 10 more paragraphs I want to add to this, but I don't want to hijack GH's thread.

[KennyJ]

In layman's terms how anabolic is insulin compared to other hormones?

[GearHeaded]

In layman's terms how anabolic is insulin compared to other hormones?

if it wasn't for Insulin (endogenous) we wouldn't be able to build muscle. we could take all the tren in the world and still wouldn't build muscle without insulin. insulin is the 'key' that unlocks muscle cells and allows them to receive glycogen, amino acids, nutrients, and everything else needed to build muscle.

[EDCG19]

So a few things. I'm a bit late but just noticed this thread and read through it
Number 1 thanks for posting this and keeping it detailed the way you did, there's a lot of information here
Number 2 it seems like any questions I did have tons of others already asked and they were answered which gave me the answers I was looking for and some of the stuff you mentioned here I haven't heard of someone running a cycle like this but I have to ask, did you run any additional blood work throughout this trial period or are you going strictly by feel and don't run any mid/post bloods? How does this work when your prolactin or estrogen is messed up you just go by feel and add in caber/AI or you ran none of this during this whole experiment??

How long have you been cycling anyway, it seems like you need to write a book or something...

[charger69]

So a few things. I'm a bit late but just noticed this thread and read through it
Number 1 thanks for posting this and keeping it detailed the way you did, there's a lot of information here
Number 2 it seems like any questions I did have tons of others already asked and they were answered which gave me the answers I was looking for and some of the stuff you mentioned here I haven't heard of someone running a cycle like this but I have to ask, did you run any additional blood work throughout this trial period or are you going strictly by feel and don't run any mid/post bloods? How does this work when your prolactin or estrogen is messed up you just go by feel and add in caber/AI or you ran none of this during this whole experiment??

How long have you been cycling anyway, it seems like you need to write a book or something...

He is.


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[KennyJ]

if it wasn't for Insulin (endogenous) we wouldn't be able to build muscle. we could take all the tren in the world and still wouldn't build muscle without insulin. insulin is the 'key' that unlocks muscle cells and allows them to receive glycogen, amino acids, nutrients, and everything else needed to build muscle.

Thanks GH, I had read about the effects on glycogen, amino acids, nutrients etc. from insulin in an article somewhere. I'm just trying to educate myself about it. I'm not thinking of incorporating extra insulin anytime soon but I want to know everything about it in case I ever do.
There are 2 things that really scare me in the whole AAS world.
The first one is HGH just simply because it makes absolutely everything grow.
The second one is insulin for the obvious reasons.

[GearHeaded]

UPDATE-

So now I know how Jay Cutler used to diet and contest prep and still get shredded on 1000 grams of carbs per day .
it was 2g of Test and a gram of Tren with Mast.

Yes as crazy as it sounds I'm actually having trouble trying to stay 'full' and get in enough carbs even though I'm running a shit ton of Androgens (which generally helps you carb load) and a bunch of insulin .
heck I've even started adding in some cheat meals and 'dirty' food just to get some more carbs in, yet I've lost a couple pounds (and thats even over Christmas meals).

I'm going to need to start force feeding the Carbs if I want to grow.
but if I ever want to get super shredded, high dose tren and high amounts of androgens is a sure fire way to do it.

whoever says that steroids don't burn fat has never ran a gram of Tren a week with 2 grams of test

[GearHeaded]

So a few things. I'm a bit late but just noticed this thread and read through it
Number 1 thanks for posting this and keeping it detailed the way you did, there's a lot of information here
Number 2 it seems like any questions I did have tons of others already asked and they were answered which gave me the answers I was looking for and some of the stuff you mentioned here I haven't heard of someone running a cycle like this but I have to ask, did you run any additional blood work throughout this trial period or are you going strictly by feel and don't run any mid/post bloods? How does this work when your prolactin or estrogen is messed up you just go by feel and add in caber/AI or you ran none of this during this whole experiment??

How long have you been cycling anyway, it seems like you need to write a book or something...

well I don't run "traditional" cycles and have not in quite some time. by "traditional cycles'' I mean your general 10-14 week long cycle utilizing a couple compounds followed by PCT or an off phase.
you can see some of the concepts I employ here -
https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...protocols.html

being my cycles are not 'traditional' it doesn't make sense for me personally to follow the blood work protocols for cycling that you may find recommended on a forum like this.
for example, why would I bother getting estrogen on blood work checked if I know that I'm purposely going to blast high dosages of estrogenic compounds for say 4 weeks (like Test, Dbol ) without using an AI for the sole purpose of substantially raising my estrogen levels.
it would be pointless. I can't utilize blood work to find a certain range of estrogen that I want to stay within because I'm constantly fluctuating my estrogen levels (on purpose), as well as my androgen levels (which effect estrogen as well).

eg.. if my estrogen is 3x the normal level, this may be a problem for someone on TRT. but if I'm in an Androgen phase and my Androgens are 10x the normal levels, then 3x the normal level of estrogen isn't going to be an issue for me (in fact it is beneficial in most cases).

so its really pointless for me to get traditional blood work and get estrogen levels and test levels checked at anytime during my blasting phases (which may last up to 9 months).
I'm also constantly rotating compounds dependent on what phase of cycling I may be in. so again checking for example SHBG one week on blood work is pointless if 2 weeks later I'm going to end up taking a drug that drastically effects my SHBG.

getting occasional blood work done CBC to check the basics and health factors etc.. once per year is all I really do. and thats generally done during a 'down phase' when I'm just cruising and have no immediate plans of blasting or rotating compounds. (eg., 150mg test per week with 400mg eq would be a cruise and 'off cycle' phase).

I also believe that its possible some of the drugs that we take may give 'false positive' readings on blood work. and that some blood work when taking massive amounts of gear and multiple compounds is simply inaccurate and irrelevant on some aspects.
eg.. running a 'tren only' cycle yet blood work shows estrogen levels are off the charts and test levels are zero. thats utter bullshit. its a false reading from the drug.
Dave Palumbo believes this is possible with Lipid panels and specifically HDL as well . eg.. being on 100mg of VAR and your HDL on cycle has went down from 41 to say 7 in just a few weeks. yet when you come off the Var your HDL is back to normal. its not that your HDL is really crashed and your in some sort of great risk, its simply mechanism of action that are going on with the drug your taking in the body and its giving a type of 'false positive' and thats why when you stop taking the drug everything is totally normal.


edit - a lot of guys try to cycle gear and take the TRT approach to getting blood work and monitoring things. they run a cycle and attempt to keep everything in 'normal' ranges . but this is not really possible IF your running real legit gear and your running high enough dosages.
really if your running shit to put on substantial amounts of muscle, your blood work should be off the charts and way out of normal ranges in multiple areas. trying to run a cycle and still keep everything within range like your a TRT patient is going to get you "trt" like results. not steroid cycle like results. imo

[GearHeaded]

Note -

some of the things that I may advocate or do myself in this thread are MY personal choices. they may not be the healthiest things to do and may not be suitable for guys reading this thread to do. its simply what I'm doing and my goal right now is not 100% focused on health, its focused on getting jacked and huge and transforming my physique (that my come with consequences)

[KennyJ]

what's the highest levels of test you can ever recall after bloodwork? I would love to know what they are at 2 or 3 months into a blast where you are running a very advanced cycle.
Do you know if any labs offer a more sensitive type bloodwork for testosterone etc. being that normally labs are not seeing the type of levels one gets from running an advanced cycle?

[GearHeaded]

what's the highest levels of test you can ever recall after bloodwork? I would love to know what they are at 2 or 3 months into a blast where you are running a very advanced cycle.
Do you know if any labs offer a more sensitive type bloodwork for testosterone etc. being that normally labs are not seeing the type of levels one gets from running an advanced cycle?

I haven't paid to have my Test levels checked on blood work in years. and previously the last several times I did it was through a doctor that used a lab that only measure up to 2500 so my blood work just came back as >2500. as for estrogen its been in the 400s (off the top of my head)

keep in mind though that you can be on a heavy cycle and still have normal Test levels.
example -
150mg a week of test (TRT)
1500mg a week of Primo
100mg a day VAR

and your test levels should come back normal around 700 ng/dl . your TRT doc wouldn't even know your on a cycle if you don't crank up the test dosage (gotta be careful with some drugs like Tren and Deca throwing false positives though)

[EDCG19]

edit - a lot of guys try to cycle gear and take the TRT approach to getting blood work and monitoring things. they run a cycle and attempt to keep everything in 'normal' ranges . but this is not really possible IF your running real legit gear and your running high enough dosages.
really if your running shit to put on substantial amounts of muscle, your blood work should be off the charts and way out of normal ranges in multiple areas. trying to run a cycle and still keep everything within range like your a TRT patient is going to get you "trt" like results. not steroid cycle like results. imo

Yea I understand completely. I've thrown this question around before so figured I would ask how you stay on top of everything running the dosages you do and changing things up frequently without constant bloodwork but you're 100% correct. Your bloodwork will be off the charts anyway if you're running high enough doses so going crazy with the bloodwork is a waste of money at that point

I also believe that its possible some of the drugs that we take may give 'false positive' readings on blood work. and that some blood work when taking massive amounts of gear and multiple compounds is simply inaccurate and irrelevant on some aspects.
eg.. running a 'tren only' cycle yet blood work shows estrogen levels are off the charts and test levels are zero. thats utter bullshit. its a false reading from the drug.

Doesn't tren and something like var, primo etc... not really affect testosterone levels anyway?

I haven't paid to have my Test levels checked on blood work in years. and previously the last several times I did it was through a doctor that used a lab that only measure up to 2500 so my blood work just came back as >2500. as for estrogen its been in the 400s (off the top of my head)

keep in mind though that you can be on a heavy cycle and still have normal Test levels.
example -
150mg a week of test (TRT)
1500mg a week of Primo
100mg a day VAR

and your test levels should come back normal around 700 ng/dl . your TRT doc wouldn't even know your on a cycle if you don't crank up the test dosage (gotta be careful with some drugs like Tren and Deca throwing false positives though)

What's your opinion on primo? I have heard/read before primo is kind of weak and needs to be run on higher doses for shorter times to get any real benefit since it works well on women but on men you would need to run over a gram to see real benefit.

[charger69]

I personally do get my bloods checked. I have it in my head that there is a benefit at my age. When off cycle, I do try to get everything within tolerance. As I get older, I do see changes happening.
Speaking of that, I am showing slightly anemic.
Result. Range
HGB. 13.3. 14-18
HCT. 40.3. 42-52
MCH. 26.7. 27-35
RDW, blood 14.9. 11.5-14.5

What can I do to raise the values?
I am starting a cycle next week and doc will want another test.


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[EDCG19]

I personally do get my bloods checked. I have it in my head that there is a benefit at my age. When off cycle, I do try to get everything within tolerance. As I get older, I do see changes happening.
Speaking of that, I am showing slightly anemic.

Asking out of curiosity but doesn't testosterone or AAS use help anemia rather than cause issues with HGB/HCT production? What do you think the cause is from in your case?
Are you the guy who donates every month??

[GearHeaded]

Doesn't tren and something like var, primo etc... not really affect testosterone levels anyway?

they shouldn't. but it depends on the lab doing the blood work. some labs Deca will pull a false positive for high testosterone , some labs Tren will pull a false positive for high estrogen (even though it can't convert to estrogen).

the thing is, how many other factors on your blood work may be completely wrong or off or in accurate because of the drugs your taking.
if Tren does not convert to estrogen at all , yet will show up on blood work as super high estrogen (which is totally false), then what else is messed up on such a blood test?
thats why I don't trust on cycle blood work

What's your opinion on primo? I have heard/read before primo is kind of weak and needs to be run on higher doses for shorter times to get any real benefit since it works well on women but on men you would need to run over a gram to see real benefit.

a lot of guys don't realize that Primobolan is mainly a PURE anabolic . this means that its not really going to be 'felt'. when your on cycle and you 'feel' a drug working, your NOT feeling the anabolic effects of the drug for the most part, your feeling the estrogenic and androgenic effects of the drug (eg.,, test, tren, dbol . are all drugs that guys 'feel' kick in after a few weeks).
a pure anabolic is simply in the background doing things like increasing protein synthesis and slowly and surely building muscle tissue. theres nothing to 'feel' until that tissue is actually there .

thats why guys think Primo is weak. cause they are so dependent on the 'feeling' the mental aspects of the drugs and know nothing of the pure anabolic aspects.

primo is one of the most complex steroids available. its one of the most efficient and side effect free at the same time.
if you could run Primo, HGH, and Test year round at high dosages (and high amounts of $) then you would have no need to run any other drug to achieve and awesome physique.
however most guys don't have the $ or the patience to do this. so Primo gets passed over as an expensive and weak drug.
Arnolds Physique was mainly built off of Primo. he didn't even run test

[Obs]

Note -

some of the things that I may advocate or do myself in this thread are MY personal choices. they may not be the healthiest things to do and may not be suitable for guys reading this thread to do. its simply what I'm doing and my goal right now is not 100% focused on health, its focused on getting jacked and huge and transforming my physique (that my come with consequences)

What he is trying to say is...

If you dont do it you have no balls.
Die young die strong dianabol .

[charger69]

Asking out of curiosity but doesn't testosterone or AAS use help anemia rather than cause issues with HGB/HCT production? What do you think the cause is from in your case?
Are you the guy who donates every month??

I did when on high tren . Tren would have me on the high side.
I could feel it in the cardio.


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[GearHeaded]

I personally do get my bloods checked. I have it in my head that there is a benefit at my age. When off cycle, I do try to get everything within tolerance. As I get older, I do see changes happening.
Speaking of that, I am showing slightly anemic.
Result. Range
HGB. 13.3. 14-18
HCT. 40.3. 42-52
MCH. 26.7. 27-35
RDW, blood 14.9. 11.5-14.5

What can I do to raise the values?
I am starting a cycle next week and doc will want another test.

this is not a common problem with us AAS users. so I'm no expert. but first things first I would look at your diet, and look into how or if your properly assimilating your nutrients, and making sure you're getting the right micro nutrients to begin with.
you may have digestive issues and are not getting all you need in your diet.
hows your iron levels ?
red meat intake high or low ?

also perhaps consider running a therapeutic dosage of Deca with your TRT. also lay off blood donations

[Obs]

I did when on high tren . Tren would have me on the high side.
I could feel it in the cardio.


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I think I get high on tren too!
Its like....
RRRRRRAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGHHH

[EDCG19]

the thing is, how many other factors on your blood work may be completely wrong or off or in accurate because of the drugs your taking.
if Tren does not convert to estrogen at all , yet will show up on blood work as super high estrogen (which is totally false), then what else is messed up on such a blood test?
thats why I don't trust on cycle blood work

Yea this makes complete sense. You're adding in more gear so your blood levels will rise as they are supposed to, adding in additional blood work will just be money down the drain

[GearHeaded]

Yea this makes complete sense. You're adding in more gear so your blood levels will rise as they are supposed to, adding in additional blood work will just be money down the drain

as I mentioned earlier , some fairly smart people in this industry go so far as to think things like Cholesterol values while on gear are 'false' readings and not accurate. like if you were on VAR and your HDL drops from 40s to 7 , that thats a 'false positive' for having crappy cholesterol levels (when there is more gong on behind the scenes because of what your taking) and thats why when you come off the VAR it goes right back to normal (truly bad levels can't correct themselves that quickly .. but a "false positive'' can once you get off the drug causing it)

^I'm not going so far as to say that personally . just saying some people do believe this and if this was the case it would make on cycle blood work that much more worthless

[Obs]

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[charger69]

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Ob’s- Behave
You can’t make a deal with the devil if you are the devil, can you?
You are up to no good.... I can just sense it based on your sporadic posts.

Wifey was pissed at me yesterday. I cleaned out the food in the house. What do you expect with 40 of slin??
She was planning on reheating something for my son.... nope gone- she had to cook something for him.


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[Obs]

Ob’s- Behave
You can’t make a deal with the devil if you are the devil, can you?
You are up to no good.... I can just sense it based on your sporadic posts.

Wifey was pissed at me yesterday. I cleaned out the food in the house. What do you expect with 40 of slin??
She was planning on reheating something for my son.... nope gone- she had to cook something for him.


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I am just advertising that I am here to make deals.
People are more likely to do it if they see the others are doing it.

Have you tried rapid acting yet?

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I am just advertising that I am here to make deals.
People are more likely to do it if they see the others are doing it.

Have you tried rapid acting yet?

No, but I got some in Mexico. I am scared shitless of trying it. I know how the R works and Exactly how to control if I missed normal protocol. I am thinking on using it in the evening for my second workout, but I need to have things in order before I start.


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No, but I got some in Mexico. I am scared shitless of trying it. I know how the R works and Exactly how to control if I missed normal protocol. I am thinking on using it in the evening for my second workout, but I need to have things in order before I start.


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Its same thing but faster peak.

After you have used it a bit and have all day to eat shoot 10iu every two hours. It is damn effective. Your entire body will feel tight after a couple days. Like an explosive but huge tight.

[GearHeaded]

UPDATE -
been a super busy holiday season. ready to get back to a normal schedule.

anyhow, I'm going to END this current experiment a week early.

I've been injecting on average 275mg of Test per DAY
I've been injecting on average 150-200mg of Tren per DAY and around 75mg per day of Mast.

And I've been on average sleeping ZERO hours per night. these super high dosages have me on edge and completely restless and now anxiety is kicking in with the lack of sleep.
The androgen levels are through the roof with this cycle.

if you think about a basic 500mg of Test and 400mg of deca cycle it has an Androgenic rating of around 700
my current cycle has an Androgenic rating of around 7,500 (thats WAY the hell up there).


so , what I'm hoping I've accomplished through doing this little super androgen experiment.
I'm hoping my body took this very rapid onslaught of Androgens and 'super compensated' for it by drastically up regulating Androgen Receptor density and production.
Now this is NOT going to drastically change the appearance of my physique over night. This is an "investment" into my future physique. for all cycles I do in the future I will get more out of them, I will have more ability to put on more muscle and utilize AAS compounds more effectively.

the results I did get in just a couple weeks.. I got harder and leaner yet maintained the exact same weight, 211 pounds, all while eating anything I wanted (junk or clean over the holiday season). I also got damn strong in a very short time.


so now I'm going to cruise on like 500mg of test for a little while (or 200 test 300 primo) and then decide whats next. I'll probably do an Anti estrogen phase during this short cruise as well. Then I'll be running STENBOLONE. also plan on a 30 day period where I drop all insulin usage and utilze some IGF I have on the way and run that like I would the insulin.

more experiments to come!

[EDCG19]

UPDATE -
been a super busy holiday season. ready to get back to a normal schedule.

anyhow, I'm going to END this current experiment a week early.

I've been injecting on average 275mg of Test per DAY
I've been injecting on average 150-200mg of Tren per DAY and around 75mg per day of Mast.

And I've been on average sleeping ZERO hours per night. these super high dosages have me on edge and completely restless and now anxiety is kicking in with the lack of sleep.
The androgen levels are through the roof with this cycle.

if you think about a basic 500mg of Test and 400mg of deca cycle it has an Androgenic rating of around 700
my current cycle has an Androgenic rating of around 7,500 (thats WAY the hell up there).


so , what I'm hoping I've accomplished through doing this little super androgen experiment.
I'm hoping my body took this very rapid onslaught of Androgens and 'super compensated' for it by drastically up regulating Androgen Receptor density and production.
Now this is NOT going to drastically change the appearance of my physique over night. This is an "investment" into my future physique. for all cycles I do in the future I will get more out of them, I will have more ability to put on more muscle and utilize AAS compounds more effectively.

the results I did get in just a couple weeks.. I got harder and leaner yet maintained the exact same weight, 211 pounds, all while eating anything I wanted (junk or clean over the holiday season). I also got damn strong in a very short time.


so now I'm going to cruise on like 500mg of test for a little while (or 200 test 300 primo) and then decide whats next. I'll probably do an Anti estrogen phase during this short cruise as well. Then I'll be running STENBOLONE. also plan on a 30 day period where I drop all insulin usage and utilze some IGF I have on the way and run that like I would the insulin.

more experiments to come!

What does your anxiety feel like?
Do you also get paranoia on these doses?