Thread: 440 raw bench
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05-11-2006, 05:53 PM #41
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Originally Posted by ascendant
But no doubt, over 405 with young dudes is rare natty. I don't care what people say. Ya got yer animals though, ya got yer people with short a_s arms lol, (I knew one, he was small as hell, 170ish and doing 315 8-10), ya got yer liars, etc. My hats off to young dudes doing over 405 natty. That is awesome.
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05-11-2006, 05:55 PM #42
Originally Posted by -DedicateD-
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05-11-2006, 08:49 PM #43
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check this out:
http://www.132poundsofpower.com/2003...mpionships.htm
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05-11-2006, 11:40 PM #44
he's prolly around 13-14% bodyfat, abs still slightly visible... hes done box squats with 455 and no belt for like 4 or 5 reps too, so he doesnt just focus on bench
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05-14-2006, 05:12 AM #45
just had another look and it seems to me he has 3 plates a side(its hard to tell) and maybe another 10-20(with the bits) each side if these are standard olympic plates 45lb then that dont add up.and your lift was 2 plates couldnt see if you had any bits on,maybe its just me but it dont seem right.
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05-14-2006, 08:36 AM #46
love the raw pressing, f@*K the equipped bench shirt pressing, raw power is true strength
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05-14-2006, 11:58 PM #47
Originally Posted by helium3
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05-15-2006, 09:46 AM #48
Originally Posted by ascendant
Actually.......I have done 485 in a competition 100% natural ( and at 198.2 BW) . I also did 385 at 177 BW (181 class)
I can say that because since then, I have used gear, but I actually benched more then than I do now. Building Muscle and Strength are two totally different things. I am MUCH BIGGER now muscularly but not as powerful as I was then.
The 440 in the video is a good lift but not a legal bench. Get into some competitions if you are interested in benching and you will see the difference. That bench at 440 I saw, if done with legal, proper form would probably be around 405-410. Pausing and killing ALL momentum is a proper, legal lift. 500 RAW won't mean !@#$ if it's bounced or bad form. I have "BOUNCED 525" up but would NEVER say I can bench 525 raw. Because it's not a good lift.
Just my 2CentsLast edited by piepiezzz; 05-15-2006 at 11:37 AM.
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05-15-2006, 11:38 AM #49
Oh Mousetraps........... LOVE BRITTANY DANIEL btw
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05-15-2006, 03:57 PM #50
My buddy at 18 has hit 425 raw at 220, all natural. Trust me, if he juiced his father would beat the everloving shit out of him. These numbers are impressive, but not uncommon in the powerlifting scene.
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05-15-2006, 04:53 PM #51
Originally Posted by mousetraps
thats actually pretty sweet man
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05-15-2006, 11:24 PM #52
Originally Posted by piepiezzz
yea, take a look at how easy my 275 looked, along with the fact that 225for 3 sets of 8 went up today.... you'd think i could hit 300.... but not yet...
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05-16-2006, 04:05 AM #53
Originally Posted by boondockSAINT
well that proves it then.
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05-17-2006, 10:52 PM #54
That isn't proof. I was just hinting that his father took steroids for a long time and would know instantly the minute he was on. He also gets drug tested at his meets. I'm not trying to start a debate, I am just simply suggesting that although these numbers are great they are certainly achievable for a natural lifter (the original topic).
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05-18-2006, 07:43 AM #55
alot is achievable depending on your biomechanics, the guy with long arms will always be at a disadvantage as apresser, but it is possible to be a decent presser with hard work and stay natural, but everyone will hit a level eventualy that there body will let them get to, i believe there are limits to your natural ability based on genetics and your build
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05-18-2006, 07:44 AM #56
if this wasnt true, than everyone would be able to press 700lbs if they followed a solid Plifting program
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05-18-2006, 04:35 PM #57
Originally Posted by ascendant
That could be cuz they are BODYBUILDERS!! not taking anything away from them but there #1 priority is who has the best body on stage, not who could bench the most.... there training for hypertrophy most of the time and thats much different than training for absolute strength in which ive seen many people hit over 350 raw... even some people in high school i saw could do that
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05-19-2006, 07:30 PM #58
This is some funny sh!t. I know a ton of people who can push over 300 natty. My roommate can bench 405 for reps. I think his Max is around 520 or so. He is about 6'1 340 pounds and I can guarantee he has never taken anything. His buddy pushes 6 plates a side for reps. Don't believe me? come out to Vegas and we'll show you. Oh, and bring any type test you want; steroid test, lie detectors, etc.
Anyone wanna put money on this?
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05-20-2006, 01:52 AM #59
Why do people care so much?
Is he natty?
Isn't he?
Shit.. we all have to work hard for what we have
I'd think y'all were members on the board long enough to realise the juice isn't a crutch. It won't turn you into superman like the media proports.
Give the man his due.
Narkissos
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05-20-2006, 06:29 AM #60
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bump
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05-20-2006, 12:05 PM #61
its not like 440 is that unbelieveable. I mean just because i can't do it doesnt mean that the other guy is on steroids that did. And 330 is the most you ever seen anyone do natty? I think you need to find a new gym. I mean i have terrible genetics and at 20 i got 345 a couple of times natty. Ive known people under 21 doing sets with 350 for like 8 all natty. I cant do a backflip and a lot of the things gymnast do but that doesnt mean when i watch them i think they have strings attached to em or something
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05-22-2006, 04:36 PM #62
yah, i think we got one troll saying it's impossible, and the rest of us saying of course it is... i didnt really think it was up for debate when i posted it!
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05-22-2006, 06:50 PM #63
Originally Posted by mousetraps
like i had already stated, i was not taking into account powerlifting at the time cause that's a totally different field than what i'm into. i have since then said at least twice that taking powerlifting into consideration, yes it certainly is possible, but very uncommon.
oh, and "troll"? that's completely unecessary guy, and coming from someone who's ranting and raving about their roomate, i question the source of the accusation as well?Last edited by ascendant; 05-22-2006 at 06:53 PM.
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05-25-2006, 12:34 AM #64
Originally Posted by ascendant
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05-25-2006, 03:12 PM #65
Originally Posted by mousetraps
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05-25-2006, 03:32 PM #66
id like to see lift without a sweatshirt on, just in tank top or something. seems like it be easy trick to just put a bench shirt on and put a sweatshirt over it.
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06-14-2006, 09:42 AM #67
i can bench 365 lbs and i have not really worked out really in 8 years. im just getting back in it since the kids are a little older. i was benching 415 @185lbs in high school and i never used.but some people have a great form and make it look easy. i can do alot of weight but not alot of reps. i get burned out quick.
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06-21-2006, 05:06 PM #68
I did 300! *bump*
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06-21-2006, 10:37 PM #69
415 at 185 in high school?
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06-22-2006, 02:27 AM #70
congards man. you both looked great. always maks me feel good watching sombody geting stronger
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06-22-2006, 11:20 AM #71
Originally Posted by zx10r
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06-22-2006, 11:28 AM #72
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Lets also address the natty thing here.. are we counting "has done gear in the past" But isnt on anything now as natty?
I have run 615 with no shirt or gloves but i was VERY MUCH on cycle... but off for over a year i could still pop out a few reps of 450. Natty like never have done anything.. well.. hehe.. who knows..
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06-22-2006, 12:13 PM #73
Originally Posted by tranzit
thats rather hard to swallow...Last edited by taiboxa; 06-22-2006 at 12:18 PM.
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06-22-2006, 05:54 PM #74
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Tai we all know you "swallow" =) i know i know. You will just have to take my word on it.. or not.. i was living in AZ at the time. Working out at LA fittness in scottsdale. I have no videos and at almost 32 married, a father and a bit lazy with a freshly repaired right sholder i can honestly say i will never again be able to put that much up. But i know what i did and thats all that matters =)
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06-22-2006, 06:23 PM #75
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Dude at my old hs just benched 440 raw before he graduated, natty... weighed around 240
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06-22-2006, 09:37 PM #76
Originally Posted by ascendant
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06-23-2006, 01:01 AM #77
Originally Posted by tranzit
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06-23-2006, 06:49 AM #78
Originally Posted by mousetraps
his name was Sunny LOL
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06-23-2006, 12:14 PM #79
ok, since this is the first time ive heard of a bench press shirt..... im wondering how in the hell does it help?
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06-23-2006, 01:24 PM #80
its a shirt made of a very tough rugged material like poly or denim. It's usually very tight, making it hard to reach your chest on the bench press movement... then on the upward stroke, it acts like a rubber band... some say it acts only as a support, some say it's cheating... when people have 600 pounds on the bar and they can't reach their chest...
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