Batman Returns Test E/Deca/Dbol

**Batman360** · 12-29-2009, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by Wayacrucis

Just a suggestion, but don't you think you can push your triceps harder if you don't do them on chest day? I mean you've already pre-exhausted them from benching. Just my 2 cents, considering that ur trying very hard to hit 20 inches on arms

I switch it up from time to time. Sometimes I do Chest/Triceps and sometimes Chest/Biceps, depending on what I'm motivated to train that day.

**Batman360** · 12-29-2009, 07:13 PM

Arms are now 19.75 inches. Weight somewhere above 230. I have been upping my game on the diet. Pretty much my mind set is to get fat. I'm eating all the time whatever I feel like. Sometimes good food, others times I'll get a gyro or burger and fries. I try to eat at least 3 times before a workout too instead of 2 like before and it's working. Only 1/4 from the 20's and my arms will no longer be teenagers.

**gogetteratl** · 01-02-2010, 01:44 PM

Good Job Batman!! Been following your threat since the beginning! Almost 20 buddy!!! Just be safe and focus on the overall goal of good quality muscle! It suck a$$ if you got there and lost it as soon as you stopped cycling because of a bad diet! Your enthusiasm and dedication is awesome!! Keep up the good work brother.

**Batman360** · 01-03-2010, 01:38 AM

Thank you. I am worried about losing it once my cycle is over, but I have to get there first, so one step at a time. I do have a plan to prevent this from happening though, I'll discuss with you guys later. I had a good workout today. Deadlift 565 lbs x 8, Seated Barbell Shoulder Press 265 x 8, some new records.

**18yearoldfreak** · 01-09-2010, 09:50 PM

man i am really impressed with your lifting numbers...steroids or no steroids..youre a strong dude!!

**Batman360** · 01-10-2010, 01:22 AM

Thanks man I appreciate the comment. It's nice to have someone remind you your not a weakling.

**Batman360** · 01-10-2010, 01:32 AM

Alright guys my future of cycling is at risk. My mom forced me to go to the doctor to get a blood test which she will have the results to in a week from now. The doctor after weighing me and examining me asked me if I was taking anything. Of course with my mom right there I denied taking anything other than protein. I feel like a little kid again who is scared of report card day because I know it's gonna be bad. Im so screwed, we'll see what happens. I was pretty sick this past week so I may have lost 2-4 lbs but I should get it back and then some this coming week. Strength is still the same even with the weight loss. As far as changes I see, my biceps are getting more shape, more peak. I can see and feel veins in my legs after my leg workout, never seen that before. That's pretty much it for now.

**18yearoldfreak** · 01-10-2010, 02:04 AM

haha you remind me quite a bit of myself...you train your whole body very well and care about everything being in porpotion but just gotta have those 20 inch arms!! i dont even wear tight shirts either its just something you wanna get like people say a milestone lol

**tjax03** · 01-10-2010, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by Batman360

Alright guys my future of cycling is at risk. My mom forced me to go to the doctor to get a blood test which she will have the results to in a week from now. The doctor after weighing me and examining me asked me if I was taking anything. Of course with my mom right there I denied taking anything other than protein. I feel like a little kid again who is scared of report card day because I know it's gonna be bad. Im so screwed, we'll see what happens. I was pretty sick this past week so I may have lost 2-4 lbs but I should get it back and then some this coming week. Strength is still the same even with the weight loss. As far as changes I see, my biceps are getting more shape, more peak. I can see and feel veins in my legs after my leg workout, never seen that before. That's pretty much it for now.

I don't know what your situation at home is like, but if I were you, I would take the time to make absolutely sure that all your PCT compounds are well hidden/secure. Since your mom demanded that you take a drug test she suspects you to be using something. You definitely don't want her coming across your recovery meds thinking that they are the juice or something because she will most likely toss them in the trash. Also, your cycle is almost over right? Take your mom's suspicion as a sign that you have made some dramatic changes to your physique recently. Now you can take a break for a good amount of time. It won't be long until you are off on your own and you won't have to worry about something like this happening again.

**Aizen Sosuke** · 01-10-2010, 08:32 AM

Dude you are 25. I know she is your mom but you are an adult. Good luck.

**amostofi1999** · 01-10-2010, 08:44 AM

man you should have avoided the blood test somehow. there is no way they dont find out what you doing when doc see the results.
maybe you should go and tell them the truth before they see the results and explain to them that you know what you doing.

**Batman360** · 01-10-2010, 03:29 PM

Yeah my cycle is almost over until the beginning of February when I will take a long time off. She didn't take me to get blood tests necessarily because she thinks I'm on something but because she is concerned with my health. I know I'm an adult an it's my choice but you know how mom's are. Until I get my own place I just have to deal with it I guess. She make's some good food, though, which has helped me get this big, lol. Trust me guys I did everything I could to avoid going to the doc. I won't ever admit to my parents that I'm using anything because they will be against it. I'll just do what you should do when interogated by cops, deny, deny, deny.

**Batman360** · 01-14-2010, 12:29 AM

Ok guys blood tests came in and the results were not good. Around 6 things came out abnormal. There was no mention of gear on this visit, probably the doctor being nice so I wouldn't get my butt kicked right there in the doc's office by my mom, lol. She brought me in because she was concerned about my liver and if I was at risk of diabetes which many in my family have, but it turned out I was completly normal in those areas. I'm suprised my liver values are normal because I have been on Dbol for like 14-15 weeks, I'm not gonna lie. Choleterol was very high, probably the reason my finger was always asleep 1/4 at the end of my first cycle. My bad results were blamed on my weight, muscle size, and protein. I have strict orders not to eat any junk food, fried food and to eat less than before. This sucks because I was planning to gain another 30 lbs even if it was fat after my cycle so I could limit muscle loss. I have a lot of planning to do so I don't lose my muscle on this restricted diet. I'm going back for another test 3 months from now.I'll post up my lab results later so you guys can give me some advice.

**Aizen Sosuke** · 01-14-2010, 07:47 AM

This blows batman. Although you kinda brought it on you , why do you insist in bulking with junk? I'd take 10lbs of lean muscle over 30lbs of muscle and fat combination anyday. It may actually be a good thing for you to eat clean. Good luck and I hope you lipids get better.

**tjax03** · 01-14-2010, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by Batman360

Ok guys blood tests came in and the results were not good. Around 6 things came out abnormal. There was no mention of gear on this visit, probably the doctor being nice so I wouldn't get my butt kicked right there in the doc's office by my mom, lol. She brought me in because she was concerned about my liver and if I was at risk of diabetes which many in my family have, but it turned out I was completly normal in those areas. I'm suprised my liver values are normal because I have been on Dbol for like 14-15 weeks, I'm not gonna lie. Choleterol was very high, probably the reason my finger was always asleep 1/4 at the end of my first cycle. My bad results were blamed on my weight, muscle size, and protein. I have strict orders not to eat any junk food, fried food and to eat less than before. This sucks because I was planning to gain another 30 lbs even if it was fat after my cycle so I could limit muscle loss. I have a lot of planning to do so I don't lose my muscle on this restricted diet. I'm going back for another test 3 months from now.I'll post up my lab results later so you guys can give me some advice.

I have a hunch that a significant contributor to you high cholesterol was the excessive length of dbol use. That's not to say that a crappy diet didn't also play a huge role. Hopefully you will see some reduction in your values from stopping the dbol and you can lower the rest through proper diet and supplementation.

**AlphaMaleDawg** · 01-14-2010, 08:42 PM

dam you must be eating 6k cals per day or something. Your results were good and I am sure you will recover eventually with pct and a lot of time off

**ranging1** · 01-14-2010, 11:44 PM

just walk up to ur mum and be like

'nanananananana BATMAN!!!'

lol

**Batman360** · 01-15-2010, 03:22 PM

Alright guys here are my results after 16 weeks. I was alittle bit bigger a week ago but I did get sick for a whole week. I was planning on going for another 4 weeks but I have to stop due to the blood test. I did get bigger and stronger than my first cycle so I'm happy about that. My first cycle I lost alot of muscle because I felt like a god and thought no way I will lose the muscle I worked so hard for. Wrong because that muscle will vanish in less than a month if you don't diet and train your ass off while off cycle. I'm not making the same mistake twice. I am thinking of going on tren in 4-5 months from now during the summer so it's important I keep as much muscle as possible so I can look crazy this summer. Most likely it will be a bulking cycle because I have to lose some weight due to doctor's orders. I don't want to fall below 210 though. I hope you guys enjoyed the log. Not as detailed as my first one but I did what I could in these stressful times.

Week 16 vs Week 1
Weight 226 vs 194 week 1 Gained 32 lbs
Waist 34 vs 32.5 week 1 Gained 1.5
Chest/Back 50.5 vs 47 week 1 Gained 3.5
Shoulders 57 vs 53 week 1 Gained 4
Arms 19.5 vs 18 week 1 Gained 1.5
Forearms 14.5 vs 13.25 week 1 Gained 1.25
Quads/Hamstrings 26.5 vs 24 week 1 Gained .25
Calves 17 vs 16 week 1 Gained 1

**Batman360** · 01-15-2010, 03:24 PM

more pics

**SuperLift** · 01-15-2010, 03:50 PM

lookin jacked bro! real nice!

**ghettoboyd** · 01-15-2010, 03:50 PM

hell yea man!!!!nice work you look nice and thick....exellent....

**methyl** · 01-15-2010, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Batman360

Alright guys here are my results after 16 weeks. I was alittle bit bigger a week ago but I did get sick for a whole week. I was planning on going for another 4 weeks but I have to stop due to the blood test. I did get bigger and stronger than my first cycle so I'm happy about that. My first cycle I lost alot of muscle because I felt like a god and thought no way I will lose the muscle I worked so hard for. Wrong because that muscle will vanish in less than a month if you don't diet and train your ass off while off cycle. I'm not making the same mistake twice. I am thinking of going on tren in 4-5 months from now during the summer so it's important I keep as much muscle as possible so I can look crazy this summer. Most likely it will be a bulking cycle because I have to lose some weight due to doctor's orders. I don't want to fall below 210 though. I hope you guys enjoyed the log. Not as detailed as my first one but I did what I could in these stressful times.

Week 16 vs Week 1
Weight 226 vs 194 week 1 Gained 32 lbs
Waist 34 vs 32.5 week 1 Gained 1.5
Chest/Back 50.5 vs 47 week 1 Gained 3.5
Shoulders 57 vs 53 week 1 Gained 4
Arms 19.5 vs 18 week 1 Gained 1.5
Forearms 14.5 vs 13.25 week 1 Gained 1.25
Quads/Hamstrings 26.5 vs 24 week 1 Gained .25
Calves 17 vs 16 week 1 Gained 1

thanks god finally!!! Next time you think of using DBOL i suggest tossing it and always using ANADROL its way more powerful and the water weights less.
YOU defenitly gained some ab size cuz its looks better than before your 1st cycle and YOUR A ****ING MONSTER. I suggest a diet soon though so you can fully clean bulk and become a bigger MONSTER later. YOUR FKN MASSIVE

**bjpennnn** · 01-15-2010, 09:24 PM

masssive indeeeeed bad ass man congrats.

**ranging1** · 01-16-2010, 06:36 AM

well done

your officaly a beast

**tjax03** · 01-16-2010, 03:33 PM

Looking massive...hopefully you maintain a good percentage of those gains

**Big Horsepower** · 01-16-2010, 04:20 PM

Look like a monster, keep us updated with your gains.

**Okinawa_Power** · 01-17-2010, 06:19 AM

Batman you are looking thick!!!! Back is looking really great!!!!!! How about some wheel pictures??? By the way what was your cycle again? Thanks..

**Batman360** · 01-20-2010, 01:27 PM

Thank guys I really appreciate the comments! I didn't want to respond till I had my blood tests available to post. I will try Anadrol for my next cycle for sure if it's stronger than Dbol . I'm gradually working my way up to stronger gear. No pic legs sorry. I mean they are not small or anything and have had much improvement but compared to my upper body, there is no comparison. I will give them more attention even now that I'm off cycle. My main goal right now is to get my system back to normal while maintaining the muscle I gained during my cycle. I'm going to train with the same mentality that I had during on cycle. My diet is much cleaner, no junk food at all, no fried food or anything cooked with oil at all, no red meat, only fish and chicken. I'm still eating pleny though so I don't drop in weight so fast. I went to the gym yesterday to do chest after 1 week off gear and my lifts were not so bad. I had a good pump which I liked. I hope I keep getting a pump during my workouts because I remember my last PCT I would get almost no pump during my workouts which does kill the mood. Well here are my blood test. I'm totally new to these tests and still looking to see what I have to fix. If you have any recommendations I would love to hear it. I outlined the abnormal things in red.

**tjax03** · 01-20-2010, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Batman360

Thank guys I really appreciate the comments! I didn't want to respond till I had my blood tests available to post. I will try Anadrol for my next cycle for sure if it's stronger than Dbol. I'm gradually working my way up to stronger gear. No pic legs sorry. I mean they are not small or anything and have had much improvement but compared to my upper body, there is no comparison. I will give them more attention even now that I'm off cycle. My main goal right now is to get my system back to normal while maintaining the muscle I gained during my cycle. I'm going to train with the same mentality that I had during on cycle. My diet is much cleaner, no junk food at all, no fried food or anything cooked with oil at all, no red meat, only fish and chicken. I'm still eating pleny though so I don't drop in weight so fast. I went to the gym yesterday to do chest after 1 week off gear and my lifts were not so bad. I had a good pump which I liked. I hope I keep getting a pump during my workouts because I remember my last PCT I would get almost no pump during my workouts which does kill the mood. Well here are my blood test. I'm totally new to these tests and still looking to see what I have to fix. If you have any recommendations I would love to hear it. I outlined the abnormal things in red.

LDL is way way high. I would start taking fish oil and red yeast rice extract if I were you to help lower that. Also, taking niacin is reported to help raise HDL.

**Batman360** · 01-23-2010, 01:31 PM

Thanks Tjax03 for the advice. Those supplements are on my list. I'm also taking prescription drugs from the doc for cholesterol. Hormones are going crazy after almost 2 weeks off the gear. I am getting much leaner now that I peed out all that water weight the dbol gave me. I am going to use creatine so I can retain as much water as possible. I weigh about 220 right now so 6 lbs of water gone. My strength is still very good. I actually hit a new record on squat 375 x 10 reps. I forced myself to take measurements even if the results were gonna scare me. I was suprised that I am still close to my end results. My goal is to keep 50% of my gains that I got this cycle. That is going to be tough for the next 4-5 months considering I'm trying to keep gains that are above my genetic potential. Here is my goal that I hope to be at 4 months from now.

Weight 210 lbs
Chest/Back 48.75
Shoulders 55
Arms 18.75
Forearms 13.875
Quads/Hamstrings 25.25
Calves 16.5

**bjpennnn** · 01-24-2010, 12:09 AM

hey bro how tall are you

**bjpennnn** · 01-24-2010, 12:09 AM

lol 5-7 nm

**daytrader** · 01-24-2010, 11:10 AM

dude... your back is ****ing sick

**Batman360** · 01-24-2010, 06:02 PM

Thank you. That's why I'm the Batman!

**number28** · 01-24-2010, 06:32 PM

live and learn, thats what its all about. mad props to u bro. u had a solid base before doing ur first cyc and u learnt from ur mistakes before getting on ur 2nd cyc.
congrats this cyc looks like a success!!!

**Batman360** · 02-02-2010, 11:57 AM

Thanks man. I learned very well from my mistakes. It's been 3 weeks since I stopped my cycle and I'm still feeling strong. My lifts and size are still pretty good. For example Incline Bench is 315 x 4 now, just 2 reps less. I'm still deadlifting over 500 lbs for reps. My squat is the only thing where my strength is going up. Since the end of my cycle it's gone from 355 x 10 to 385 x 10. I think this is because my legs never hit their natural potential and are still able to grow and get stronger without the aid of steroids . My upper body however reached it's natural potential already and all I can do is try to maintain the muscle that was added with the aid of steroids. Calves are also something I am working very hard to get up. I am super motivated ever since I saw a bodybuilder at our gym with calves bigger than his arms, at least 20 inches! They have improved and I can see 2 big veins starting to develop on my inner calves. This guy had like 20 veins on his calves but I think it looks cool if they are huge. My weight is I'm guessing is 215-217 lbs right now. I am getting more attention from the ladies now that the fat and water bloat is coming off. They seem to like detail no matter how big you are but not really into the bloated bulk look even if your big. I think that's why alot of guys don't want to bulk up so much. I however sacrifice everything, even my looks so I can get even bigger.

**Batman360** · 02-02-2010, 02:47 PM

Had some free time so I did a before and after picture. This is a 3 year span. Top 3 pics are natural, bottom 2 unnatural. I had already been lifting seriously 3 years before the first picture just so you see how hard it has been to for me to gain size but I stayed committed and patient.

**bjpennnn** · 02-02-2010, 05:29 PM

nice man what was your starting stats in the first pic?

**Yashp** · 02-03-2010, 08:35 AM

Awesome progress. I'd have to agree with you on women's field of attraction, it's definately the jacked and striated things they like, not so much bulkiness - unfortunately hehe. Looking forward to seeing you cutting down a bit, you're gonna be something taken straight from some freakshow, you're huge!

**Batman360** · 02-03-2010, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by bjpennnn

nice man what was your starting stats in the first pic?

165 lbs, 16.25 inch arms, 38 inch chest/back, forearms 11.5 inchs in the first pic

At 18 years old I started with 13.5 inch arms at 145 lbs at the same height but hey I had a six pack!

I have posing pictures of when I was 18 just starting and would love to post them but my old video camera broke that plays 8mm tapes so I'm unable to retrieve the footage. If anyone know where I could find a video player that plays 8mm let me know so I can get these pics uploaded on my computer.