Batman Returns Test E/Deca/Dbol

[Hard.On]

That is some great progress report you have done.
Congrats on looking like a champ

Keep it up

[Little Herc]

You are looking thick bro. Let us know if your able to keep it this time.

[Chitown Raider]

Nice progress!

[JoeSmoe]

Good Job, lets get an update!

[Batman360]

Thanks guys. Like I said from the beginning the biggest side effect I have using steroid has been hair loss. I was constantly losing hair throughout this cycle and my first also. I have actually been losing my hair since I was in 7th grade and have always had less than other kids. I knew the hair loss would get worse if I took gear but decided to anyways because weightlifting is something I love to do. Women bodybuilders also make this choice knowing when they start their face and voice becomes more masculine. It's all a personal choice. I know I would rather be bald and huge than a pretty boy with an average body. That's my choice and I made it and don't regret it because I knew it would happen. I finally decided to shave my head yesterday. I hesitated because I'm not used to being bald and was worried how I would look and also because I excpected to see big bald patches on my head from all the hair I lost on my cycles. To my suprise it was not so bad like I thought it would be. I have no bald patches here and there, the top part of my head is not more bald than the bottom. My hair is regrowing for sure because at the rate I was losing my hair it should hae been a lot worse. Being bald I can monitor my hair more to see what going on. I shaved my head also because my hair gets very oily especially on cycle and I think it would help if I could clean my bald head twice a day in the sink. Easier than washing your head with hair. My parents said I actually look better bald headed than with hair lol. I like the new look but everytime I pass a mirror I scare myself because I'm not used to it yet lol.

[NMacFar]

"I know I would rather be bald and huge than a pretty boy with an average body"

Music to my ears my friend!

[pirus]

Alright guys here are my results after 16 weeks. I was alittle bit bigger a week ago but I did get sick for a whole week. I was planning on going for another 4 weeks but I have to stop due to the blood test. I did get bigger and stronger than my first cycle so I'm happy about that. My first cycle I lost alot of muscle because I felt like a god and thought no way I will lose the muscle I worked so hard for. Wrong because that muscle will vanish in less than a month if you don't diet and train your ass off while off cycle. I'm not making the same mistake twice. I am thinking of going on tren in 4-5 months from now during the summer so it's important I keep as much muscle as possible so I can look crazy this summer. Most likely it will be a bulking cycle because I have to lose some weight due to doctor's orders. I don't want to fall below 210 though. I hope you guys enjoyed the log. Not as detailed as my first one but I did what I could in these stressful times.

Week 16 vs Week 1
Weight 226 vs 194 week 1 Gained 32 lbs
Waist 34 vs 32.5 week 1 Gained 1.5
Chest/Back 50.5 vs 47 week 1 Gained 3.5
Shoulders 57 vs 53 week 1 Gained 4
Arms 19.5 vs 18 week 1 Gained 1.5
Forearms 14.5 vs 13.25 week 1 Gained 1.25
Quads/Hamstrings 26.5 vs 24 week 1 Gained .25
Calves 17 vs 16 week 1 Gained 1

Wow dude! Good gains from the juice! This really got me thinking of trying some. I lifted for a couple of years and did good gains but then i injured my knee, then I had to go to the army which did more harm to it. All led to two operations and now 2years later it feels alright. This is one of the reasons I would try durabolin , its good for the joints. And ofcourse some test and anadrol . I'm having the same issues with the hair also but theres no way around that. It has been all 3 years since I last lifted and now I want to start again. Dont know how long I should train before trying my first stack?

Again I'm really impressed by your results!

[awesome1]

Batman, were you able to keep most of your gains this cycle?

[Batman360]

I would say at least 1-2 years of serious training so you reach your natural potential before starting a cycle. You've got a good base but there is still room for improvement. Try to get back to where you were and try to gain a little more. I know it can be hard to come back to when your were in your best shape. It's happened to me a few times but everytime I came back I came back bigger than the last time. Hope this helps.

[number28]

whats good batman!! hows ur pct going? i would like to know, r u taking any anti-catabolic agents while on pct? if im correct u should be atleast 1 weeks off cycle now...

[pirus]

I would say at least 1-2 years of serious training so you reach your natural potential before starting a cycle. You've got a good base but there is still room for improvement. Try to get back to where you were and try to gain a little more. I know it can be hard to come back to when your were in your best shape. It's happened to me a few times but everytime I came back I came back bigger than the last time. Hope this helps.

Yes, youre right. A couple of years of training then I'll decide what to do. I really look up to you man, Im the same age and I really regret that I stopped training a couple of years ago.
Great work!

[Exilus]

You look like hulk.

How are your lifts, now?

[yungone501]

Did I read that correctly: 14-15 wks of dbol ?

Hold sh*t dude! Low dosage or what?

[Batman360]

Hey guys. PCT is just the usual Nolvadex and Clomid combo. Yes I did about 10 weeks of dbol with a month off in between but it had no effect to my liver as my blood test shows. My last injection was about 1 month 2 weeks ago. Arms are a tad bit over 19 even after all my weight loss. Last time I weighed myself I was at 214 lbs. I have been hitting the weights hard and my diet has been good. Everything consistent. My lifts have fallen dramatically about 1 week ago so I think my test levels should be back to normal now. Example Bench is 315 x 3 now from 355 x 6. I know it's crazy how fast strength drops. I've been doing everything I can and can't blame myself for this, this time. I went to the doc today because I was having adominal pain for 6 days straight now. Well I was told I had a hernia. I was given some pain killers for a few days to see how I feel. I'm feeling really down about this. How am I supposed to get bigger if I can't give it all I got on every lift anymore? I hope the pain goes away in a week from now or I may have to get surgery. That would suck big time and I would be sure to lose a lot of muscle being away from the gym. Good bye deadlifts and squats.

[bjpennnn]

dont take the pain meds then tough it out.

[balaplaya55]

Sunday 09/20/09

I had girly calves in comparison and I know something has to be done! I went slow on the reps and squeezed at the top of every lift. Tommorrow I'll see how sore my calves are and if they responded to this style of training. If not, it's back to the drawing board and I will train again till they respond!

Try doing 10 sets of calve raises of 10 reps with 10 seconds in between each set at around 75-85% max (may have to tweak a little until you find the right weight). It should take around 3 min to do the whole thing. It's killer, and it sounds like you really want to start destroying you calves in the weight room. You should get a pump that will rival any other you get in the gym. Good luck and let me know what you think if you end up trying it.

[yungone501]

Yes I did about 10 weeks of dbol with a month off in between but it had no effect to my liver as my blood test shows. My last injection was about 1 month 2 weeks ago. Arms are a tad bit over 19 even after all my weight loss. Last time I weighed myself I was at 214 lbs.

I would have to imagine that 10wks of dbol gave you some tremendous water bloat. I would safely say that this is where your weight loss is coming from. Don't get upset, hardly anyone keeps ALL of their gains. Good job man.

10wks....sh*t.

[Dave_chameau]

I think one of the only word that comes to my mind is wow.
You look huge seems like some crazy progress really inspirational

[number28]

I can't seem to find any before pics. OP is it possible to post some up for comparison? Thx

[amostofi1999]

I can't seem to find any before pics. OP is it possible to post some up for comparison? Thx

see page 5.
im jealous man and your hair looks fine to me

[big l]

see page 5.
im jealous man and your hair looks fine to me

Page 5 is week 16 pics right? He was looking for before pics.

Good job batman. Ive been reading the thread and this was a really good cycle. Hope the hernia thing works itself out.

[amostofi1999]

Page 5 is week 16 pics right? He was looking for before pics.

Good job batman. Ive been reading the thread and this was a really good cycle. Hope the hernia thing works itself out.

my bad. post 197 is before pics but they are from 3 years ago

[big l]

Batman, you should post pics of your entire steroid evolution. It would be cool to see pics from before your first cycle, then after and then before and after your second cycle. I think you have all those pics online but they are hard to find in these threads.

[-Ender-]

I can't seem to find any before pics. OP is it possible to post some up for comparison? Thx

see page 5.
im jealous man and your hair looks fine to me

Page 5 is week 16 pics right? He was looking for before pics.

Good job batman. Ive been reading the thread and this was a really good cycle. Hope the hernia thing works itself out.

my bad. post 197 is before pics but they are from 3 years ago

Try page 1 post # 15 pre cycle pictures.
WTF?!

[lovbyts]

Nice gains. You gained some quality size. Now get cut for summer and you will look great.

[Batman360]

Thanks guys. Playabala55 I'm going to give that a shot this week. My arms are at borderline 19 inches. Weight right now is 210 lbs and seems like all the water weight is gone now. This is the minimum weight I wanted not to fall under. This might sound crazy but I was thinking maybe it's still possible to gain some weight off the juice. Even if it's not muscle, the weight should help me keep as much muscle as possible. I'm thinking 10 more lbs so a goal of 220 lbs by the time I start my 3rd cycle. That gives me something to work for in the mean time.

[Darksyde]

nice log caped crusader, very informative for anyone wanting to cycle. also you really should get your hernia fixed, its not going to get better on its own, only worse. ive had both sides inguinal and a umbilical done. it sucks but the downtime is really not that bad.

[GatorNica]

Great log. I'll try to do a log like this for my first cycle. Look at my thread, think I'm ready??

Am I ready for some gear???

[bifda]

nice log caped crusader, very informative for anyone wanting to cycle. also you really should get your hernia fixed, its not going to get better on its own, only worse. ive had both sides inguinal and a umbilical done. it sucks but the downtime is really not that bad.

2nd that, ive had 2 ingunial too and they aint fun and they aint gonna fix them self.

keyhole surgery bro and 6 weeks later back at it hard, no other way bout it. GL

[Batman360]

Great log. I'll try to do a log like this for my first cycle. Look at my thread, think I'm ready??

Am I ready for some gear???

If your not ready I don't know what is. Very impressive, you know what your doing.

[Batman360]

nice log caped crusader, very informative for anyone wanting to cycle. also you really should get your hernia fixed, its not going to get better on its own, only worse. ive had both sides inguinal and a umbilical done. it sucks but the downtime is really not that bad.

2nd that, ive had 2 ingunial too and they aint fun and they aint gonna fix them self.

keyhole surgery bro and 6 weeks later back at it hard, no other way bout it. GL

I notice that my stomach hurts more after I eat and I also get a lot of gas afterward but it doesn't smell or anything. Also if I go hungry it starts to hurt as well. Do you think this pain is related to the hernia I have? The pain in my stoach was conistent throughout the day for a whole week and half. Now it's only sometimes. Also my stomach does not hurt when I lift weights, only if I press my finger in above my belly button and after meals due to gas I think. I don't know if the gas and hernia are in anyway related.

[Batman360]

Update. I'm having some stomach problems for the last 2 1/2 weeks. I may have some kind of infection in my stomach or something. I've had abdominal pain, bloating, lots of gas and some diariaha. I'm worried as this problem with my digestion could result in loss of muscle if my body is not taking nutrients in like it's supposed to. I'm trying some herbs for the next 6 days and a revised diet to see if that works. If not then I'll go see a doctor. I hope this isn't an expensive problem as I have no health insurance and this money will come from my savings for my next cycle. I don't think the hernia I have is related to this problem but we'll see.

[number28]

I totally feel for you brother, i wish you a speedy recovery!

[GatorNica]

Same here man. Hope you get better soon.

[Darksyde]

Update. I'm having some stomach problems for the last 2 1/2 weeks. I may have some kind of infection in my stomach or something. I've had abdominal pain, bloating, lots of gas and some diariaha. I'm worried as this problem with my digestion could result in loss of muscle if my body is not taking nutrients in like it's supposed to. I'm trying some herbs for the next 6 days and a revised diet to see if that works. If not then I'll go see a doctor. I hope this isn't an expensive problem as I have no health insurance and this money will come from my savings for my next cycle. I don't think the hernia I have is related to this problem but we'll see.

i am definately not an expert on hernias just because i have had a few, but those problems dont sound related to a hernia from my experience. i didnt even know i had an umblical hernia until i got my first inguinal (happened when i was moving someones whole apartment myself, not lifting weights, go figure). the doctor poked her finger in my belly button and said 'hey looks like you have an umbilical hernia too, want to do that one at the same time?'
my surgeries cost over 10k each (first one i had the two done at same time, second time was just an inguinal hernia and cost a few thou less). so yea not having insurance will make it dam hard.
if you research gastrointestinal infections and related disorders you may find out more info on your symptoms, if you havent already.

[Batman360]

Hey what's up guys. Time to give an update for the purpose of science, lol. It's been almost 3 months since my last injection. Weight is now 199 lbs. I know you think this is bad but it's really not. I have never been this lean at this weight before. My waist is 31.5. My waist has never been that low since I was 165 lbs 3 years ago. Because of that I wanted to compare my stats from 3 years ago when my waist was 31.5 to now.

October 2007 vs March 2010
Weight 165 vs 199 week 1 Gained 34 lbs
Waist 31.5 vs 31.5 week 1 Gained 0
Chest/Back 39.2 vs 47.5 week 1 Gained 8.3
Shoulders 47.7 vs 54 week 1 Gained 6.3
Arms 15.8 vs 18.375 week 1 Gained 2.5
Forearms 11.9 vs 13.375 week 1 Gained 1.4
Quads/Hamstrings 21.3 vs 24 week 1 Gained 2.7
Calves 15.2 vs 15.75 week 1 Gained .55

Yeah I have been keeping record even from 3 years ago. This is 34 lbs of solid muscle I have added in 3 years. I am very happy with that. I am not as big as I used to be but I still look really good, better than I ever have at this weight. Everytime I get a comment I think they are being sarcastic but I'm starting to believe them. My stomach issue is still a problem and it's pissing me off so bad because I'm about ready to start my 3rd cycle and this is getting in my way. I can't get big if my food doesn't digest properly. If I eat 3 times a day like I am right now I am ok, but if it's 4 or more I get gas and I have the urge to poop more often. I am convinced this is not related to my hernia at all. Yeah I have a hernia but it doesn't bother me even if I lift heavy, only when I push a finger in over my belly button. I am getting a blood test soon in April which we will see first of all if my cholesterol is good and also what I have wrong with my stomach. The doctor thinks its some kind of intestine infection problem. I've had this problem for almost 2 months now. It started with stomach pain unlike anything I've ever felt before for like 1 1/2 weeks then the pain stopped but now there is gas and the need to poop if I eat too often. I have ordered a ton of gear on it's way right now. Test-E, Sustanon , Tren E, and Anadrol . I had planned to do a Test E, Tren E cycle but I'm not too sure that going to happen as the stomach problem remains and Tren cost too much to waste. It's pretty obvious I need to cycle soon so I don't lose all my size so I can't a avoid a cycle either. So I'm thinking maybe I should do a lighter cycle but something I've never done before like Anadrol for 5 weeks and Sustanon for 15 weeks. Then hopefully if I'm better I could do the tren for the 4th cycle. I don't know what's going to happen guys, it all depends on what my body decides.

[amostofi1999]

can u upload some pics? current photos not the ones from 3 years agohaha

[Rabid Pit Bull]

Just my opinion bro but your long term health is worth more than your short term gains. Go to a doctor and figure out whats wrong with your stomach. If it is a digestive problem and you can't eat enough or your body doesn't absorb correctly you are just wasting your time and money. Worst case you could harm yourself.

You should be 100% healthy before going on a cycle.

Also, I think you losing a majority of your gains can be directly attributed to whatever was ailing your stomach.

[Batman360]

Thanks for your concern Rabid Pit Bull. I know your right but this stomach problem could be something that can last a long time. Hopefully next doctor visit after blood test I can find a solution. Yes my gains have fallen and probably some muscle loss was due to my stomach digestive problem but the truth is once your off the juice the gains will go. I am convinced it's just not possible to hold onto gains that are above natural human potential. Alot of the gains go but some is held on. Let's take my arms as an example. Before I did my first cycle my are measured 18.125 at a 33 inch waist naturally. After 2 cycles my arms now measure 18.375 at a 31.5 inch waist, 3 months after last injection. So my arms are 1/4 inch bigger with my waist 1.5 inches smaller. Is that a permanent 1/4 inch that will always remain if I were to stop cycling from now on? I won't knw that because I will continue to cycle but it is a interesting experiment to find out if someone can keep any gains after 1 year clean. And I'm not talking about someone who took gear to get their arms from 15 to 16.5 and was able to keep it. I'm talking about above average size here. Obviously a pro bodybuilder would lose alot of muscle if he were to stop juicing but I wonder how big he could keep if he were to continue training naturally. Do you keep 5%, do you lose it all, or do you lose it all and then some since his hormone levels will never be the same again? I'm really starting to rethink how I should be going about this cycling thing. I cannot keep my gains off cycle no matter how hard I train. I cannot be off for so long or my gains go. I'm thinking of maybe going 2 months on then 1 month off. Or 3 months on, then 2 months off. I cannot be off for longer that 2 months, I know from experience. After 1 month I lose 50% of my gains, then after 2 months I lose 75%, 3 months 90%. I can't say it a waste of money because I would gladly pay $400 for another cycle to look big for just 4 months but I don't just want to gain, lose it, gain it back, then lose it again. I want to gain, gain more, and gain even more and make my money well spent. Please someone tell me what is the secret to consistantly getting bigger. I do get big on gear and while on my gains have never stopped, but I've only stopped because it suggested to stop after so long. People say pro bodybuilders cycle year round. But others say if you cycle year round, the gear loses it's effectiveness and it no longer has any effective. Is that true or just myth or an excuse why someone can't get bigger. I don't even bother asking the big guys on bodyspace because they'll just say oh I don't use steroids . Yeah right! I'm going to be researching these questions much more because I need answers if I'm ever going to achieve the body I want and get me to that next level.

[oldschoolfitness]

wow great progress. i agree i think once you are off some gains will go how much always varies from person to person depending on diet, pct, staying in the gym etc. i always think its good to cycle on and off (i couldn't afford to stay on anyway) natural levels and strength need to come back up. i am off way more than on and i really enjoy my cycles when they come and hate to see them go. but i was lifting before the juice and i will lift after the juice its just something i love to do. and the big guys who don't take steroids bull sh--!! good luck bro, you deserve your gains you've worked hard both physically and mentally.