Batman Returns Test E/Deca/Dbol

**Aizen Sosuke** · 04-07-2010, 06:52 AM

There's 2 key points as to why you've lost your gains
#1 and most important, you have a stomach dissease that's keeping you fom eating as you should. If you eat for 200lbs you will be 200lbs for life given your energy expenditure remains at a constant level. You need my friend 300g of protein over 5-6 meals just to remain at 200lbs. Carbs and Fats should be adjusted according to bodytype which I don't know yours.

#2 Most of you "gains" have been water retention. On both cycles you chose compounds that highly aromatize in test e, dbol and deca ; and you did not use any kind of aromatize inhibitor. Thus most of these gains were not real and as soon as you start taking serms in PCT you would lose them.

Again I do not agree with your statments that gains are lost if you stop juicing, and I plan to stay off until november or december this year, that's 9 months. I will not only keep my lean gains but will try to cut down on bf% until then and hopefully get into single digits. I'll be doing prop with npp, maybe anadrol along with proviron for AI so stay posted dude. Hopefully you could work things out with your stomach and get back to eating. Good luck

**Batman360** · 04-09-2010, 12:55 PM

Aizen Sosuke, I would really like to see if you can keep gains after 9 months. That's a really long time and I'm interested in what would happen in that time frame. I went to the gym to train back yesterday and did deadlifts again after a month break from that exercise so my shins could heal cause last time I did them the bar ripped my skin pretty bad. Anyways I expected my strength to have fallen big time, but I was able to do 500 lbs for 8 reps at a bodyweight under 200. I could see people watching me while I was lifting. I'm not even that big right now, so they must have been wondering how I could even lift that much. I'm really excited about starting my next cycle which will probably be in late April. It will probably be a much cleaner diet this time, not sure yet.

**Batman360** · 04-09-2010, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by oldschoolfitness

wow great progress. i agree i think once you are off some gains will go how much always varies from person to person depending on diet, pct, staying in the gym etc. i always think its good to cycle on and off (i couldn't afford to stay on anyway) natural levels and strength need to come back up. i am off way more than on and i really enjoy my cycles when they come and hate to see them go. but i was lifting before the juice and i will lift after the juice its just something i love to do. and the big guys who don't take steroids bull sh--!! good luck bro, you deserve your gains you've worked hard both physically and mentally.

Thanks man. I too will lift gear or no gear, I just love it. When I started I didn't have access to the juice or even knew if I would ever have access to them but I knew if I ever did I would use them when I was ready. I researched diet and training for 6 years before I even googled the word steroid . It's experience and knowledge that gets you big, not steroids .

**oldschoolfitness** · 04-09-2010, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Batman360

Thanks man. I too will lift gear or no gear, I just love it. When I started I didn't have access to the juice or even knew if I would ever have access to them but I knew if I ever did I would use them when I was ready. I researched diet and training for 6 years before I even googled the word steroid. It's experience and knowledge that gets you big, not steroids.

sound like my kind of attitude. once i didn't have access or anything about it i was lucky to meet a somewhat expert who always showed me the safe way to do things. and what to stay away from. (wish i knew where he was now: great source and really handy in the kitchen if you know what i mean) gains are hard to keep we loose water which = size; we loose strength, sex drive, attitude and it becomes frustrating at times. for me it has become rather simple my goals differ from others. and i'm at a different place in life we all are on the same team and must keep each other motivated. where i live there is no fitness community. mostly obessity drug abuse (not putting either down) or laziness. so good luck to you bro keep us posted u got a great build and i like seeing EVERYONE'S PROGRESS later:

**OutlawNomad** · 04-20-2010, 11:05 AM

Congrats on the gains bro, you look like a fukin monster.

**Morgoth** · 04-21-2010, 09:30 AM

Looking forward to your next cycle log Batman. Keep us posted, and keep the pics coming.

**old-grunt11series** · 04-22-2010, 03:06 AM

good luck ill be following

**Batman360** · 06-03-2010, 07:23 PM

Hey guys. It's been a long time since I posted so I figured I would update. A lot has happened these past months. First of all I'm down to 191 lbs so yeah I'm not a monster anymore lol. I took my blood test again and my cholesterol is back to normal again. The stomach pain and digestive problem is not gone yet but is much better than before. I tried working 2 jobs, working 16 hours and only sleeping 3 hours per day. I only could take 2 weeks of that so I decided on only one job. I could feel my muscle vanishing everyday doing that so I figured the money wasn't worth it. There is more to life than money anyways. I think I've been off the juice 5 months now which is more than I had planned. The reason is, I am unable to get gear anymore. I've ordered months ago and it keeps getting seized. I spent a lot of money and have not gotten anything yet, but custom letters. It really sucks and kind of breaks my heart that I will have to give this sport up because of that. I'm giving domestic a try and see how that goes. It's very expensive though and can't afford more than a basic Test E cycle especially after all the money I spent on International. Hopefully the domestic stuff is as good as international.

**oldschoolfitness** · 06-04-2010, 09:02 AM

good to see ya back. sorry to hear about the muscle lost, but hang in there man. you know which route to take and what kind of work it will take. if the gear thing is that big of a problem i would suggest checking out the lab. section. homebrew kits and pulling up some simple brewing tips. i got a friend and thats the only way he does it and he has told me many times test e is simple and when i watched his last batch is not that complicated. just some ideas man you sound a little down so good luck.

**Batman360** · 06-05-2010, 04:35 PM

Thanks for the suggestion, I will have to check that out. Even though I have lost alot of weight, I can still lift al ot of weight I never could have at 190lbs before. I can flat dumbell press 120's for 9 reps and deadlift 500 lbs for 8 reps, almost triple my bodyweight. I do get down sometimes about my size loss, but when I think about it, I am still bigger than 90% of the people in my gym even after all this weight loss. I'm going to do things differently next coming up cycles though. I won't take so much time off in between, maybe only 1 month or no more than 2 months. After 2 cycles I know what kind of changes my body goes through when I go off. At 1 month off I lose 20% muscle, 15% strength then at 2 months there is a drastic drop like 50% muscle 50% strength, at 3 months 70% muscle 80% strength is lost. And it keeps going down from the longer time I'm off. There are some exceptions like my deadlift which has not gone down much at all. My next cycle will be in 1-2 weeks and will be like my first cycle Test E but 600mg this time and dbol for 12 weeks then I take a month off and I start another cycle probably Test E and Deca for 12 weeks then off 1.5 months and then I'll do Test E, Tren E for 15 weeks. That's 3 cycles back to back with minimal off time in between. I'm hoping to get to 260-270 bulked up after these 3 cycles. No more 3-4 month rests, it's just a waste of time and money and gains. I'll never get to the level I want to get at like that. I don't know if I'll log future cycles yet. Once I get my stuff I should blow up pretty quick like a balloon thanks to muscle memory. I think I gained 25 lbs in 1 month last cycle for that very reason.

**thetank** · 06-14-2010, 08:47 AM

hey dude those are some pretty drastic numbers to set in stone. 70% muscle loss after 3 months? you dont think there is other circumstances cintrubuting? maybe you havent been eating enough, training as hard..maybe you have..but i dont know, to say you are gonna lose 80% of your gains from any cycle based on on or 2 experiences is a bit much imo. regardless, you look jacked as **** man, you have come along way. props hommes and good luck in the future.

**Rye_guy** · 06-24-2010, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by Batman360

Lean bulk is not my style. I like to see results fast week after week. I only have 16 weeks to build as much muscle as possible. After that it's all about how well you maintain those gains. I have always done dirty bulks and never cared for leaness, I just care about getting bigger. I lose fat very easily too. I once lost 3 inches to my waist in 1 week after I stopped bulking.

This is probably one of the weirdest things for me to comprehend! That's like saying "indont care if I look like crap, I'm still bigger. So what if I can't run ip a fleight of stairs... I don't care if my blood pressure is through the roof and my circulation has gone to hell!"

trust me man. Bigger isn't better. Not if half your gains is fat and or water. And If you run deca , there will likely be water weight. That's also working against you!

**Rye_guy** · 06-24-2010, 12:38 AM

Not sayin you don't look like a beast! I just came off my last tren cycle. Sitting a smidge under 220 and I like the toned vascular look. Although I am now considering my fall and winter bulk with deca . Still months away. Gina start on my birthday

**Batman360** · 06-24-2010, 03:23 PM

All I care about right now is getting bigger. I'm all about gaining mass and to do that you have to eat loads of food. I know alot of water and fat is gained but as you can see from my pics I'm not doing so bad at 230 lbs. I see people at my gym that have better detail than me but don't compare in size. I think size is what's important first then when you think your big enough then go for the detail. I would like to reach 21-22 inch bulked arms in the future and then cut down to very lean 20 inch arms. I couldn't care less about detail right now I have alot of size to put on first. I'm actually suprised I didn't get fatter the way I was eating. I will be upping my calories way higher next cycle.

**Batman360** · 06-27-2010, 08:18 PM

Well my stuff arrived both domestic and international. I will be starting another cycle maybe mid July when I have my life in order. In the meantime I'm just going to prepare everything so everything is organized. I also need to gain some weight before I start again.

**oldschoolfitness** · 06-28-2010, 08:53 AM

cool keep us posted. glad to see ya getting back on track sounded a little rough for a while.

**Aizen Sosuke** · 06-28-2010, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by Batman360

Well my stuff arrived both domestic and international. I will be starting another cycle maybe mid July when I have my life in order. In the meantime I'm just going to prepare everything so everything is organized. I also need to gain some weight before I start again.

What kind of cycle are you starting now Batman?