Ron Paul 2007

[thegodfather]

Gixxer No problem… when you said you I thought you were talking to me… go figure.

It has been historically shown that Companies are not out for the health and welfare of its employees and that is why unions have come into existence. The bottom line for companies is profit and many people fall by the wayside of corporate exploitation in the quest for higher profit margins…(How do you fight multibillion dollars organizations? You unify the working force, that’s how!) Unions are the true democratic force in this process of negotiating a fair working wage for the common guy who puts his or her hard work and life on the line while corporate executives reap the profits.

Ron Paul is a big anti- union guy so he is not the guy for middle class America.

You must be very ill informed on Ron Pauls viewpoints. I have nothing wrong with unions, so long as you dont ask for my tax dollars to subsidize your healthcare benefits or retirement plans. There is nothing wrong with unifying a workforce and negoiating together, just do not ask for any government money to do so. The Union actually makes money off of your labor though FatGuy.

Anyway, if you believe that the government should provide everything for your, healthcare, food, housing, etc. I hear the Socialist party desperately needs new members, or maybe you could consider moving to a Socialist nation where 50-60% of your paycheck is taken in tax's. Perhaps that would suit you better, to work hard being a laborer, and to have more than half of your wages going to some lazy piece of shit who will get the same benefits as you even if they do absolutely nothing productive and freeload off of a hard worker like yourself. Does that sound more appealing?

[feanixco]

Tom Tancredo~~

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

lol and the godfather tears them up once again.


this guy is a senior at Boston College. An EE...
ya know these college kids, always trying to lead the way of some dumb group

anyways, im sure there will be another round 2marow

[Fat Guy]

You must be very ill informed on Ron Pauls viewpoints. I have nothing wrong with unions, so long as you dont ask for my tax dollars to subsidize your healthcare benefits or retirement plans. There is nothing wrong with unifying a workforce and negoiating together, just do not ask for any government money to do so. The Union actually makes money off of your labor though FatGuy.
Anyway, if you believe that the government should provide everything for your, healthcare, food, housing, etc. I hear the Socialist party desperately needs new members, or maybe you could consider moving to a Socialist nation where 50-60% of your paycheck is taken in tax's. Perhaps that would suit you better, to work hard being a laborer, and to have more than half of your wages going to some lazy piece of shit who will get the same benefits as you even if they do absolutely nothing productive and freeload off of a hard worker like yourself. Does that sound more appealing?

You must be very ill informed period to think a douche like Ron Paul is for the working class in the U.S. .

Once again you’re wrong… My view point has nothing to do with socialism! Stop with the socialist cliché` it is unoriginal and retarded to associate unions with the socialist party. Unions are one of the last democratic organizations left in this country. Union jobs are still some of the better paid jobs in the U.S. and remain that way due to a unified work force.

This is just plain rhetoric, “half of your wages going to some lazy piece of shit” usually spun by some big company propaganda spin doctor trying to refute a negotiation deal…. You can do better than that.

Who said anything about the government subsidies? And get a clue in that you already pay 50% to 60% of your paycheck to taxes with Fed & State income taxes, sales tax, local municipalities tax, registration fees for this & that, etc. (It makes me wonder if you work, if you don’t already know this?) AND LOOK AT WHAT WE ARE GETTING FOR ALL OUR TAXES WE ARE PAYING NOW… Nothing but BS. That’s another story…

Also I am happy to pay my union dues because I know in the long run I am protected by my Brotherhood.

So Godfather I think your association of Unions and Socialism is weak and naïve, but thanks for you thoughts anyway.
Take care.

Remember

Liver Better/ Work Union!

[Fat Guy]

lol and the godfather tears them up once again.


this guy is a senior at Boston College. An EE...
ya know these college kids, always trying to lead the way of some dumb group

anyways, im sure there will be another round 2marow

Live Better Work Union!

Don't Vote for Ron Paul!

[qualityclrk1]

but since we're talking about unions......if it wasn't for a union my job wouldn't exist....we supply parts to general motors and ford and toyota and just about every other big name manufacturer you can think of.....they pay companies like mine to make things; in my case bumpers. They pay us because they don't want to pay the ridiculous wages that the UAW demands. So thanks union for giving me a job- while at the same time decreasing ur own opportunities. I'm not trying to flame you or hurt ur feelings or w/e else, but ur brotherhood doesn't seem to protect u in this case. It HURTS you....i have YOUR job or YOUR brothers job...i support unions in making work places safer, and helping workers with their pensions and insurance and contracts and w/e w/e w/e...but sometimes i think the pay u guys demand is a bit ridiculous. Heres a story for you;
At a ford plant one of the Abb robots was grabbing this metal bumper as it came out of a paint booth, well, the end of arm tool was scratching the bumper as it grabbed, so this plant had to hire two people to stand at the end of the line with a fine paint brush and literally paint over these small scratches. They had to pay these people $19 an hour.....i think u and i can both agree this is ridiculous- and this is why Unions are so frowned upon

[thegodfather]

I was not making any assumptions about Unions being socialist. I was associating your views that the government needs to provide healthcare for people who cant afford it as a socialist viewpoint, and it had nothing to do with Unions...

[RA]

Obviously you dont live better by working union if you want govt handouts like free healthcare. Ill stick with my Blue Cross.

I guess you’re just not an average working guy like many of are… You either must be special in that you are independently wealthy or you are special in like ride the short bus to school special…

Live Better/ Work Union!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Honestly, I am so burned out with all these politicans (BOTH PARTIES) because they promise to make things better, yet only keep making things worse. I'll say this for what it's worth- IF YOU WANT THE FEDS TO BACK OFF STEROIDS , THEN VOTE FOR RON PAUL. If anyone else makes the presidency, it will just be more of the same old grind.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3SYWDkWyXA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWfIhFhelm8

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Have at it guys!

"""Welfare baby! Stick up for us middle/lower class people. I love governmental interference, it keeps me on my feet and gives me a chance to succeed.

And as you said, Socialism does not fail. Look at Germany for example, very successful and one of the world's biggest producers. Let's rethink that statement. It fails to foster inequality, therefore hindering your chance to be richer than everyone else, but it sure creates competition. Think before you write.

Stop trying to make us like him.
Healthcare is a right to an individual like me, unfortunately (I chose that word correctly) you MOST likely haven't had family members who have died because of their lack of proper health care due to costs. That is completely unacceptable. We all deserve to receive the same health care. I don't care if it involves me standing in a line for 20 extra minutes. When I lived in South America, yes I am speaking on a world standpoint, I stood in a line for 5 minutes to see a doctor (socialist country) where I received excellent and adequate health care. People seem happh with their health care there. We're not happy here.

Don't you dare speak of health care. You obviously don't understand the situation because with views like yours, I assume you don't have family members on food stamps or welfare. I have divorced family members with children who had ****ed up childhoods that hindered the from going to college, therefore they have been screwed there whole life. They struggle to find jobs to support their children. You need to look at welfare from a advantageous/disadv. point of view. Obviously you Ron Paulers don't.

Ron Paul has become trendy and he's a dick.
Hillary 08

You keep singing the same Iraq and lower taxes song but I've had enough delusional libertarianism to last me a lifetime; the point is Ron Paul is in fourth in the polls and most of America seems to think he is crazy so I am gonna assume anyone that supports him is either incredibly stupid, crazy, or both.""""

[Amorphic]

Move to Canada, our healthcare and social service programs work well and they dont tax the hell out of you.

[critter]

And yes, Ron Paul is racist! Did you read the quotes? Do you hear the news? If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, then Ron Paul is racist.

Please show video on this since I have yet to see it and do not believe it.

I don't think you get the point about the federal reserve. You want a money backed by something hard, be it gold, silver, or some other commodity. IT DOESN'T WORK! It doesn't allow for national debt, which is necessary in running a world economy.

We should cut spending here and over sees. The fed. Reserve allows us to artificially make money up out of thin air/or borrow and make our dollar weak. NOT GOOD

No! You don't know what you want to try. Libertarianism is running away from a problem that needs resolution. The elitist dominating us now are those of the Republican party which has turned horribly conservative. They have taken away freedoms with the "Patriot Act" and other "wartime necessities" that are completely unjustified.

The same path as Dr Paul.

I DO NOT SUPPORT THE IRAQ WAR. Ron Paul IS an isolationist though, non of this non-interventionalist nonsense. Of course countries under oppression need help. Are you saying that CCCP, Mao-China, and Nazi-Germany needed no regulations because none of their countries "asked" for help? The Iraq war is a horrible war fueled by profiteers and lobbyists. I think we can both agree on that.

Dr. Paul doesn’t see a need to intervene in foreign affairs and waste OUR money to do so.

"Ron Paul sees the futility..."

Anyone who truly believes that won't garner a vote from me or anyone with a good head on their shoulders. That makes Ron Paul sound weak, lazy, and selfish; which I am sure that he is.

Not sure where you are trying to go here. He see the US going further in debt and the dollar weakening. He wants to spend less and give back freedom to the people.

Federal Aid is a necessity or else states would not care for their foster children, their poor, their drug-addicted people. People need help and a lot of those times they just can't get up and say "No more dependency, I am gonna start a multibillion-dollar company." Ron Paul doesn't believe in freedom for people! He really doesn't! He believes in protecting the rich from participating in a society.

He believes this should be done by the State or other types of organization. He knows government programs are highly ineffective and waste tons of resources.

Are you a confederate? You certainly sound like one because you advocate state freedom so much. Since you want to rid of the federal reserve then you'll probably support Ron Paul when he says that each state should have their own currency and ally themselves with different foreign powers. Wait, isn't that hypocritical? Isn't that the confederation of states? the reason why we adopted the constituion and a federal government?

Not sure where you heard this. Provide your resources where Dr. Paul said each stat should have their own currency.

Healthcare is a right! You're part of a society! Realize that. You don't live on your own island where you grow gold coins. This is the future, of course you won't like when you have to help but you don't see the ends. And it's not creating a nation of addicts, it's helping people survive. Ok, ok, ok; let's look at some countries that don't aid their poor: India, Vietnam, the Baltic countries, South America, and "just a few" others. But it's ok because these people all fend for themselves, probably why they've earned the name "the untouchables". Some many different countries are developing a healthcare system for the poor.

Fine, if you don't want people to take your money then please, take your money somewhere else! Please go somewhere so that there can be one less Ron Paul vote. In fact, start your own country, maverick; one where you can get Mexicans to do your work but you don't need to pay them because they don't eat or need care

Again: He believes this should be done by the State or other types of organization. He knows government programs are highly ineffective and waste tons of resources. People will have more money to spend on their own healthcare and everyone else will have more money to donate to organization with no SS tax,IRS.

And for Christ's sake, of course we need more taxes for schooling! Look at your spelling! "Indepedant/depedant"
"wellfare" "Interventionist" "Pendelum". Sounds like the public school you went to wasn't funded enough or that the private school wasn't as good as Ron Paul thought it would be.

This is a state fund issues. But to be honest I don’t know what the government provides to public schools. Maybe you can enlighten me in this area. (I don’t think it will change my mind on that it is a state tax/fund though)

And I am on the verge of ignoring you completely; for the last time, WHAT ABOUT WOMEN'S RIGHT TO ABORTION AND CIVIL LIBERTIES FOR GAY/LESBIAN CITIZENS?

The fact is, right around 50% of the US thinks it should be ok for a woman to kill her child up until the day its born is crazy in my eyes. There are many ways to prevent with birth control and pills after you know you are pregnant up to a certain time.
On civil liberties for gays/lesbians. He believes in equality but doesn't believe government should personally be involved. But he'd leave it up to the states in the end.

[thegodfather]

Have at it guys!

"""Welfare baby! Stick up for us middle/lower class people. I love governmental interference, it keeps me on my feet and gives me a chance to succeed.

And as you said, Socialism does not fail. Look at Germany for example, very successful and one of the world's biggest producers. Let's rethink that statement. It fails to foster inequality, therefore hindering your chance to be richer than everyone else, but it sure creates competition. Think before you write.

Stop trying to make us like him.
Healthcare is a right to an individual like me, unfortunately (I chose that word correctly) you MOST likely haven't had family members who have died because of their lack of proper health care due to costs. That is completely unacceptable. We all deserve to receive the same health care. I don't care if it involves me standing in a line for 20 extra minutes. When I lived in South America, yes I am speaking on a world standpoint, I stood in a line for 5 minutes to see a doctor (socialist country) where I received excellent and adequate health care. People seem happh with their health care there. We're not happy here.

Don't you dare speak of health care. You obviously don't understand the situation because with views like yours, I assume you don't have family members on food stamps or welfare. I have divorced family members with children who had ****ed up childhoods that hindered the from going to college, therefore they have been screwed there whole life. They struggle to find jobs to support their children. You need to look at welfare from a advantageous/disadv. point of view. Obviously you Ron Paulers don't.

Ron Paul has become trendy and he's a dick.
Hillary 08

You keep singing the same Iraq and lower taxes song but I've had enough delusional libertarianism to last me a lifetime; the point is Ron Paul is in fourth in the polls and most of America seems to think he is crazy so I am gonna assume anyone that supports him is either incredibly stupid, crazy, or both.""""

Im a double major, Political Science and Biology, and I'll be in Medical School within the next 2 years. I think that I have plenty of credibility and knowledge when it comes to these issues. You sir, are the one who has no idea what they are talking about.

Unfortunately this country is founded on a free market economy, where people can aspire to be as rich and as great as they want, and have the opportunity to be whatever they want to be. Socialism does not allow for such latitude of the people when they are getting taxed to death. I do not find it to be fair that you can work 10x as hard as the person down the street yet that person will still recieve equal benefits, and in essence will reap the fruits of your labor.

I also know NUMEROUS physicians, nurses, and clinical researchers, and all of them agree that government healthcare will bring the quality of healthcare WAY down. They will pay Doctors and other healthcare practioners considerably less. I would not find it worth it to invest 8-10 years of my life in schooling,and roughly $200,000 worth of debt, in order to make a significantly reduced salary if government healthcare takes over. This means that more people who would have been physicians turn away from the field. Additionally, with most government institutions you have no recourse if something is done wrong. It is much harder to sue any type of government agency for doing something wrong, than it is to sue a private entity. Many times government agencies practically have immunity. Again, reducing the quality of healthcare if physicians can F**k up and have considerably less consequences.

It is PROVEN that government largesse is grossly inefficient and reduces the quality of whatever it sticks its nose into. Limited government is a much more EFFICIENT way of doing things. I would really love to delve much deeper into this, but I'm currently studying for finals this week. So after Friday you can expect a much more long winded, and well put together argument, and I can hopefully illustrate the many reasons and facts about why government healthcare would be tragic for this country.

I also ask, since I have treated you with respect, that you not resort to name calling such as "anyone that supports him is either incredibly stupid, crazy, or both." Seriously dude, if you disagree with me thats fine, but name calling just makes your argument look weak and really takes away any credibility or good points you may have made when you close an argument with immature statements such as that. I would expect much more from a senior in college who is supposed to be a well rounded individual and be able to present their ideas in a mature manner without using such underhanded tactics.... Thanks...

TheGodfather

[thegodfather]

P.S.- I've also slept about 3 hours a night for the passed week staying up studying cramming massive amounts of information into my head...So I resent any attacks on my spelling or grammatical errors. At this point I have much more pressing issues than debating an Electrical Engineering major on political issues which you obviously show a serious bias towards and are not supporting your answers with very much logic or fact.

[BOOST]

Ron Paul 2008

[RP7]

Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. – Mark Twain

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

okay okay.
It now seems apparent that my buddy and his group are giving up. So now, I suppose this thread will stop lol.
I wanna thank soul, godfather, and the rest of you for chiming in with yr views, and very well backed ones at that.

From the start, i didnt know or hive a crap about this subject, but now, since you all have been so informative, it has opened me up more to everything, and hopefully others.
Also, glad it didnt get locked and no one got out of hand.
cool stuff.
thanks again

[Fat Guy]

Obviously you dont live better by working union if you want govt handouts like free healthcare. Ill stick with my Blue Cross.

Roidattack I often read your post and wonder if you have tourettes… because your comments seem so random and out of context.

I agree with you that a false sense of entitlement is wrong, but I do believe that there are many hard working Americans, such as myself, that every now and then need a little help. I also believe that children of poor families should have medical coverage. It is not the fault of the child who is born into poverty, but it would be inhumane to deny them healthcare or education. I suspect you do not have children and it is hard for you to be empathetic to children born into poverty… maybe I’m wrong on that, I don’t know what your situation is.

I would like to hear your thoughts on children who are born into poverty and the healthcare issue? And public education for that matter… As for me I am willing to pay a little extra out of my paycheck to give people/ children the opportunity for good health and education. Does that make me a socialist? No. I just believe that people who need help should receive it.

BTW, I have Health Net

[critter]

For everyone that keeps bringing up the health care: Dr. Paul FIRST priorities would be foreign affairs and he does realize that Americans at the moment need health care. As the economy got better then that is something he might do away with but knows it wont happen anytime soon.

[thegodfather]

For everyone that keeps bringing up the health care: Dr. Paul FIRST priorities would be foreign affairs and he does realize that Americans at the moment need health care. As the economy got better then that is something he might do away with but knows it wont happen anytime soon.

The attitudes presented in this thread just goes to show you the type of mentality that entitlement programs foster. The "dependance" or idea that "I dont have to work for it, someone else will do it for me." This should make an even better case for LIMITING entitlements. I dont think anyone is advocating completely abolishing them, but really restricting them to the people who absolutely cannot work or do for themselves. They should NOT be for people who may be able to afford it but would RATHER spend an extra $150-$200 a month on luxury items or non-essential items then pay for health insurance.

[RA]

Im not sure how my statement was out of context but...ok.

Its certainly not the fault of the child born into poverty that they have no healthcare coverage but IT IS THE PARENTS. Why should I bust my ass to make money to turn around and give it to people who arent busting their ass? You dont make enough money? Your benefits arent good enough? Look for a better job or a second job. You had too many kids and cant afford them? Not my fault.

Right now I dont but Ive had 2 jobs for many years to make a better life for my kids but you wont catch me asking for a handout.

Roidattack I often read your post and wonder if you have tourettes… because your comments seem so random and out of context.

I agree with you that a false sense of entitlement is wrong, but I do believe that there are many hard working Americans, such as myself, that every now and then need a little help. I also believe that children of poor families should have medical coverage. It is not the fault of the child who is born into poverty, but it would be inhumane to deny them healthcare or education. I suspect you do not have children and it is hard for you to be empathetic to children born into poverty… maybe I’m wrong on that, I don’t know what your situation is.

I would like to hear your thoughts on children who are born into poverty and the healthcare issue? And public education for that matter… As for me I am willing to pay a little extra out of my paycheck to give people/ children the opportunity for good health and education. Does that make me a socialist? No. I just believe that people who need help should receive it.

BTW, I have Health Net

[JSola]

"If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."

that is hilarious, and true

[goodcents]

Roidattack I often read your post and wonder if you have tourettes… because your comments seem so random and out of context.

I agree with you that a false sense of entitlement is wrong, but I do believe that there are many hard working Americans, such as myself, that every now and then need a little help. I also believe that children of poor families should have medical coverage. It is not the fault of the child who is born into poverty, but it would be inhumane to deny them healthcare or education. I suspect you do not have children and it is hard for you to be empathetic to children born into poverty… maybe I’m wrong on that, I don’t know what your situation is.

I would like to hear your thoughts on children who are born into poverty and the healthcare issue? And public education for that matter… As for me I am willing to pay a little extra out of my paycheck to give people/ children the opportunity for good health and education. Does that make me a socialist? No. I just believe that people who need help should receive it.

BTW, I have Health Net

Sorry roid, but that was funny (we use to have a couple of those kids at the boys home)

[soulstealer]

"If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."

that is hilarious, and true

Ya but most people don't realize he was probably robbed by a fleet footed black teenage male and is speaking from experience... LOL not being racist =P

[Ronnie Rowland]

Have at it guys!

Ron Paul has become trendy and he's a dick.
Hillary 08

You keep singing the same Iraq and lower taxes song but I've had enough delusional libertarianism to last me a lifetime; the point is Ron Paul is in fourth in the polls and most of America seems to think he is crazy so I am gonna assume anyone that supports him is either incredibly stupid, crazy, or both.""""

Everyone is simply giving their opinion on the matter. No need in getting all bent out of shape. I do not get upset over politicians because deep down I know they are mostly interested in power and a life time pay check, not me!

I do not agree with everything Ron Paul stands for but our conutry is in need of a serious change. He's the only one that comes across as being uniquely different than all the rest.

When a goverment reaches the point of wanting to give a baseball player like Barry Bonds 25 years in jail for steroid use but let's pedophiles and murders off the hook with less time, then you know we are being led down the path to destruction. In several areas we have become no better than some of the very countries we be little. We just make it look prettier!

We could all argue this for days and get no where. I'm just looking for a huge change and I think Ron Paul is our only chance of making it happen. It's not that the other candidates are bad people. The problem lies in the fact it will be more of the same ole same ole unless he is elected. If you are happy with the inconsistencies in our laws then vote for anyone other than Ron Paul and I'm sure you will be happy. If you are not happy then take a chance and vote for him. That's just the way I see it. All of them seem to be a little screwy...

[soulstealer]

Everyone is simply giving their opinion on the matter. No need in getting all bent out of shape. I do not get upset over politicians because deep down I know they are mostly interested in power and a life time pay check, not me!

I do not agree with everything Ron Paul stands for but our conutry is in need of a serious change. He's the only one that comes across as being uniquely different than all the rest.

When a goverment reaches the point of wanting to give a baseball player like Barry Bonds 25 years in jail for steroid use but let's pedophiles and murders off the hook with less time, then you know we are being led down the path to destruction. In several areas we have become no better than some of the very countries we be little. We just make it look prettier!

We could all argue this for days and get no where. I'm just looking for a huge change and I think Ron Paul is our only chance of making it happen. It's not that the other candidates are bad people. The problem lies in the fact it will be more of the same ole same ole unless he is elected. If you are happy with the inconsistencies in our laws then vote for anyone other than Ron Paul and I'm sure you will be happy. If you are not happy then take a chance and vote for him. That's just the way I see it. All of them seem to be a little screwy...

Right on man....

[critter]

Several other reason people are drawn to Dr. Paul:
You pretty much know exactly what you are going to get.
He doesnt flip flop on issues
He seems very genuine.
only politician that wants to help monetary value

[RuhlFreak55]

Im not sure how my statement was out of context but...ok.

Its certainly not the fault of the child born into poverty that they have no healthcare coverage but IT IS THE PARENTS. Why should I bust my ass to make money to turn around and give it to people who arent busting their ass? You dont make enough money? Your benefits arent good enough? Look for a better job or a second job. You had too many kids and cant afford them? Not my fault.

Right now I dont but Ive had 2 jobs for many years to make a better life for my kids but you wont catch me asking for a handout.

this is exactly my viewpoint.....it is the parents fault and no kid deserves more than their parents are willing to give them unless someone wants to give it to them. I should not and will not be forced to give money to support some kid that's not mine because his/her parents are too lazy to make enough money to support him or too stupid to realize they couldn't afford a kid with their level of achievment in life. AND I CAN'T FIND A JOB IS NEVER AN EXCUSE!!!! My dad lost his job once....he was fired for something stupid but nonetheless he was fired and the next day he had a new job making more money and that eventually led to us as a family being more wealthy than ever....so anyone that thinks that's a viable excuse can shove it right up their ass you'll never get any sympathy out of me like that

[soulstealer]

this is exactly my viewpoint.....it is the parents fault and no kid deserves more than their parents are willing to give them unless someone wants to give it to them. I should not and will not be forced to give money to support some kid that's not mine because his/her parents are too lazy to make enough money to support him or too stupid to realize they couldn't afford a kid with their level of achievment in life. AND I CAN'T FIND A JOB IS NEVER AN EXCUSE!!!! My dad lost his job once....he was fired for something stupid but nonetheless he was fired and the next day he had a new job making more money and that eventually led to us as a family being more wealthy than ever....so anyone that thinks that's a viable excuse can shove it right up their ass you'll never get any sympathy out of me like that

I totally agree with you but from a disgusted stand point... I have to point out that weather or not your directly taxed to provide for this people with our current fiat money system we print money and indirectly tax through inflation to provide for people who REFUSE to provide for themselves...and if this practice continues... you will have NOTHING...

VOTE RON PAUL!!!!

[Amorphic]

or you can vote for this monster:

[RuhlFreak55]

I totally agree with you but from a disgusted stand point... I have to point out that weather or not your directly taxed to provide for this people with our current fiat money system we print money and indirectly tax through inflation to provide for people who REFUSE to provide for themselves...and if this practice continues... you will have NOTHING...

VOTE RON PAUL!!!!

Oh i'm most definately voting Ron Paul i think he's the only hope we have as a country really to come out of this and avoid a civil war too. I just came in here to ask if anyone saw him on Mad MOney with Jim Cramer the other day lol

[soulstealer]

Oh i'm most definately voting Ron Paul i think he's the only hope we have as a country really to come out of this and avoid a civil war too. I just came in here to ask if anyone saw him on Mad MOney with Jim Cramer the other day lol

Ya dude Cramer and Paul both rock...!!! He'll be on meet the press this sunday too and I truly believe if we keep going the way we are going the state governments will be left with no choice and we could end up in a civil war... Quite disturbing but a DEFINITE possibility

[critter]

A soldier's letter from Iraq

http://captainj0e.wordpress.com/2007...-to-americans/

This pretty much sums up all the foreign policy issues on why Ron Paul needs to be elected.

[gixxerboy1]

or you can vote for this monster:

shes def not a cougar

[Amorphic]

shes def not a cougar

nor is she like a fine wine.

[soccer#3]

or you can vote for this monster:

ewww

[goodcents]

I couldn't take hillary for 4 yearsomg she will fuk it all up. I think ron paul would really change things.

[Animal Cracker]

I would throw RP a vote if he had a snowballs chance.

[Tock]

I would throw RP a vote if he had a snowballs chance.

So . . . instead, you're gonna vote for someone you don't like as much?

[soulstealer]

So . . . instead, you're gonna vote for someone you don't like as much?

And so Tock answers the age old question why independent or 3rd party candidates never get a large portion of the votes...