Is there a God?

**Ernst** · 11-21-2008, 12:22 AM

Do you beLIEve?

**Ernst** · 11-21-2008, 12:23 AM

This is so getting locked.

**rhino1** · 11-21-2008, 12:23 AM

YES-i believe there is a god....I also believe...contrary to popular belief...science and religion are one...

**Older lifter** · 11-21-2008, 12:24 AM

Not IMO

**rhino1** · 11-21-2008, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by ErnstHatAngst

This is so getting locked.

why? not allowed to talk about god?

**Ernst** · 11-21-2008, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by rhino1

why? not allowed to talk about god?

It's an incendiary topic. All my gay marriage threads ended up with padlocks on 'em. Don't see why this would be different. Still, I'm curious what people think.

**Tock** · 11-21-2008, 12:35 AM

Define "god."

**Voice of Reason** · 11-21-2008, 12:36 AM

You talking about...

Gold
Oil
Drugs

Of course they exist it's in what we trust.

**WARMachine** · 11-21-2008, 12:36 AM

I think there is a God.

Although you know it is kinda discouraging when you think about it...

I live life the way i want, i dont really live by the beliefs of others. Those people are sheeps.

Especially the ones who believe the world was created in 7 days and is only 5000 years old.

I mean honestly, science doesnt lie.

**auslifta** · 11-21-2008, 12:37 AM

i believe in god but not religion

**IronReload04** · 11-21-2008, 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by rhino1

YES-i believe there is a god....I also believe...contrary to popular belief...science and religion are one...

This is my belief as well.

**Charger527** · 11-21-2008, 12:39 AM

depends how im feeling, if i belive or not.

After bench i feel like a god....

**IronReload04** · 11-21-2008, 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by auslifta

i believe in god but not religion

This also is my belief. I believe in Jesus and God.

**WOLFCRAFT** · 11-21-2008, 01:03 AM

I think my avatar would make my answer pretty predictable but I'm gonna say absolutely not.
But if there is he's a sick, twisted, uncaring SOB.
I RESPECT a person's right to believe anything they wish, I just can't always understand what they're thinking.

**stpete** · 11-21-2008, 01:03 AM

I believe. God has kept me from destroying myself in so many ways.
Although it's hard to make a case for something that no one has ever seen in real life, we all know he's there. And he looks out for all of us.
I'm sure that all of us has said "thank you god" at one point or another.

**Coop77** · 11-21-2008, 01:22 AM

When I encounter something I don't understand I don't think "Well I don't have an explanation, therefore a magic man in the sky must have done it!" Nor do I think anyone is watching me, controlling me, looking out for me, or going to judge me.

**rhino1** · 11-21-2008, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by war4BTT

I think there is a God.

Although you know it is kinda discouraging when you think about it...

I live life the way i want, i dont really live by the beliefs of others. Those people are sheeps.

Especially the ones who believe the world was created in 7 days and is only 5000 years old.

I mean honestly, science doesnt lie.

i think that is more of a metaphore....which leads to faith...its all your interpretation...

I agree that science doesn't lie...but science isn't everyone's language....as relegion isn't everyones language either...though they both offer explanation to the universe and our existance....just depends how you want to view it....or simply how it makes sense to you...

**rhino1** · 11-21-2008, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by WOLFCRAFT

I think my avatar would make my answer pretty predictable but I'm gonna say absolutely not.
But if there is he's a sick, twisted, uncaring SOB.
I RESPECT a person's right to believe anything they wish, I just can't always understand what they're thinking.

so do you believe in the devil...im guessing you do with the upside down cross.....if that is so then you have to believe in god....no god...no devil

**GT2** · 11-21-2008, 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by rhino1

YES-i believe there is a god....I also believe...contrary to popular belief...science and religion are one...

Agreed. I believe the following...

- there is only one God
- all major religions come from God
- the world is one country and mankind are its citizens
- men and women are equal
- all prejudices must be overcome
- science and religion are in harmony
- economic problems are linked to our spiritual problems

**gst528i** · 11-21-2008, 01:53 AM

I believe there's a higher entity. But the concept of god is abused and twisted by alot of religions.

**rhino1** · 11-21-2008, 01:55 AM

Originally Posted by gst528i

I believe there's a higher entity. But the concept of god is abused and twisted by every religion.

its really what you make of it...

scientists cant understand relegion because they are analytically based.....as religious people cant understand science as well because they are faith based

Isn't it ironic that most wars are fought over religion

**WOLFCRAFT** · 11-21-2008, 01:56 AM

Originally Posted by rhino1

so do you believe in the devil...im guessing you do with the upside down cross.....if that is so then you have to believe in god....no god...no devil

Actually not at all.
The upside down cross is more an "anti-symbol" than anything. It's saying f*ck this cross and what it represents.
Satanism itself also has nothing to do with the devil. Look it up on wikepedia for a quick rundown of what it's about.
I think believing in the devil is even sillier than believing in God.

**rhino1** · 11-21-2008, 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by WOLFCRAFT

Actually not at all.
The upside down cross is more an "anti-symbol" than anything. It's saying f*ck this cross and what it represents.
Satanism itself also has nothing to do with the devil. Look it up on wikepedia for a quick rundown of what it's about.
I think believing in the devil is even sillier than believing in God.

isn't believing in satanism....believing in satan?

thats tripped out....there is also this mexican guy that calls himself jesus but wears 666 and convinces all of his followers to give up all their cash to him and they do...he also preaches to them to satisfy their earthly earges...just dont kill people...twisted...

**WOLFCRAFT** · 11-21-2008, 01:58 AM

PS - I mean no disrespect to anyone who believes in any God.
Let's keep this thread nice so we can keep it open... this is interesting stuff.

**GT2** · 11-21-2008, 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by WOLFCRAFT

Actually not at all.
The upside down cross is more an "anti-symbol" than anything. It's saying f*ck this cross and what it represents.
Satanism itself also has nothing to do with the devil. Look it up on wikepedia for a quick rundown of what it's about.
I think believing in the devil is even sillier than believing in God.

That's one perspective...I'm intrigued to know how you account for the existence of this world, the phenomena that occur, the human body and how it was designed so perfectly...do you believe all these things just HAPPEN? Don't they need someone or something to create and control them?

**rhino1** · 11-21-2008, 02:02 AM

[edit] Satanism and heavy metal music
Heavy metal music has often been connected with Satanism, in part to the lyrical content of several bands and their frequent use of imagery often tied to left hand path beliefs (such as the upside-down pentagram). As a result, members of several bands, including Slayer and Black Sabbath, have faced accusations of being true Satanists. More often than not, such musicians say they do not believe in legitimate Satanic ideology and often profess to being atheists or, in some instances, followers of right hand path religions, while using that which appears to be "Satanic" for entertainment purposes and shock value.[10]

However, while some debate their authenticity, other artists have professed Satanic beliefs. Glen Benton, vocalist and bassist of the band Deicide, once openly claimed to be a practitioner of Theistic Satanism, and has spoken publicly on numerous occasions[11] to profess staunch anti-Christian sentiment. Norwegian black metal artists, such as those from bands Gorgoroth and Mayhem, have also defended modern Satanic ideology.[12] Numerous burnings of churches that covered parts of Norway in the early 1990s were also attributed to youths involved in the black metal movement, who claimed to have theistic Satanic beliefs and strong "anti-LaVeyan" attitudes.[13] However, the legitimacy of such actions as Satanic endeavors, rather than simply rebellious actions done for publicity, is something that has been doubted by even those who contribute to the genre.[14]

[edit] See also

this is funny....i love and believe in god but if also love death metal and my self proclaimed moto is 'go fvck yourself' i also have fvck off tattoo'd on my right forearm....and that is exactly how I feel to this day....FVCK OFF

**WOLFCRAFT** · 11-21-2008, 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by rhino1

isn't believing in satanism....believing in satan?

Not at all actually.
It's using "Satan" as a symbol, the anti-Christ, therefore the anti-Christian.
Satanism is all about man, how he is just another animal with urges and desires, and how we should seek to fulfill those desires rather than shun them and feel ashamed of our natural instincts like Christianity teaches.
It's very centered around power and feeling powerful, which makes me think more people on here would be down with a good 80% of what Satanism is about than they would ever think.

**rhino1** · 11-21-2008, 02:07 AM

i have to admit...i am deeply tempted and do engage in things that are ungodly....i used to have a huge coke problem...only quit because i have kids...if i were more attractive and many women hit on me i would likly endulge them...

**WOLFCRAFT** · 11-21-2008, 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by Hamish&Andy

That's one perspective...I'm intrigued to know how you account for the existence of this world, the phenomena that occur, the human body and how it was designed so perfectly...do you believe all these things just HAPPEN? Don't they need someone or something to create and control them?

Truth is I don't know.
But if I had to give an answer I'd say... atoms and molecules and stuff. Energy and matter coming together and figuring out what works. E v o l u t i o n. You know, all that silly science stuff.
Not some magic man that lives in the sky.

**Charger527** · 11-21-2008, 02:08 AM

Originally Posted by Hamish&Andy

That's one perspective...I'm intrigued to know how you account for the existence of this world, the phenomena that occur, the human body and how it was designed so perfectly...do you believe all these things just HAPPEN? Don't they need someone or something to create and control them?

The big bang, darwins therory,

but i like to think something else gave it a bit of a push as well though.

**rhino1** · 11-21-2008, 02:08 AM

so wolf.....if it made you feel good you would kill people?

**GT2** · 11-21-2008, 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by WOLFCRAFT

Truth is I don't know.
But if I had to give an answer I'd say... atoms and molecules and stuff. Energy and matter coming together and figuring out what works. E v o l u t i o n. You know, all that silly science stuff.
Not some magic man that lives in the sky.

The fact you don't know should ring alarm bells in regards to your line of argument. Not flaming you bro, just pointing out a major flaw.

**rhino1** · 11-21-2008, 02:10 AM

here is another interesting perspective....humans are the only animals that govern theirselves by morals....no other animal does this...they only do what is instinct and pleasurable to theirselves

BUT we are intellectually SUPERIOR....and animals and everything else was put on earth as sustinance...nothing more

**rhino1** · 11-21-2008, 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by Hamish&Andy

The fact you don't know should ring alarm bells in regards to your line of argument. Not flaming you bro, just pointing out a major flaw.

excellent point

**GT2** · 11-21-2008, 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by rhino1

here is another interesting perspective....humans are the only animals that govern theirselves by morals....no other animal does this...they only do what is instinct and pleasurable to theirselves

BUT we are intellectually SUPERIOR....and animals and everything else was put on earth as sustinance...nothing more

I don't believe humans are animals. BECAUSE we have a logical/rational side to us, THAT is what separates us from animals.

**Charger527** · 11-21-2008, 02:13 AM

well its not natural to kill another human only in rare surcumstances, animal instint is about the survival of the species

**Charger527** · 11-21-2008, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by Hamish&Andy

I don't believe humans are animals. BECAUSE we have a logical/rational side to us, THAT is what separates us from animals.

monkeys have logic

**rhino1** · 11-21-2008, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by Hamish&Andy

I don't believe humans are animals. BECAUSE we have a logical/rational side to us, THAT is what separates us from animals.

so why are we mamals as are some other animals...

just playing devil's advocate....im on your side of the spectrummm

**rhino1** · 11-21-2008, 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by Hamish&Andy

I don't believe humans are animals. BECAUSE we have a logical/rational side to us, THAT is what separates us from animals.

is it not logical/rational for a dog or other animal to not leap off of a cliff?

**GT2** · 11-21-2008, 02:22 AM

Originally Posted by rhino1

is it not logical/rational for a dog or other animal to not leap off of a cliff?

No, they learn by trial and error, and by habit.

If every time you ring a bell and your dog comes to eat food, your dog will learn by habit that whenever a bell is rung, it is time to eat. But if you suddenly start ringing the bell but take away the food, it will slowly realise by habit that ringing the bell does not mean food is present, and won't bother going.

Animals can NOT rationalise. Their behaviour is purely based on habit, trial and error, and by instinct.