Thread: Ask a Black Man.....
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02-17-2011, 07:33 PM #1121
Without getting combative, I'd say you are way off based with your assumptions. But let me start by tackling the 1st question. I assume you are referring to affirmative action, which obviously you know very little about. Using your example the black person would not get the job if they aren't qualified for the job. As for it 'being hard to be black in America" all indications show that blacks are prosecuted more harshly for similar offenses, blacks are racially profiled and stereotyped my often than whites, etc. Clueless, I think not, you know not what you speak unless you've been black. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States
I don't know where you live and blacks ALL drive new vehicles, but that simply isn't the case. If you check statistics, any statistics, blacks are paid less for the same work, blacks suffer at higher unemployment levels, and not only are blacks more likely to live below the poverty line as whites, but they are more likely to stay there longer. Look at the current recession. The overall country's unemployment is at around 10%. Black unemployment is at or around 20%. http://www.seattlepi.com/national/33...comegap13.html, http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/soc/facul...estern_ajs.pdf.
Now don't get me wrong and don't confuse what I'm trying to say. By no means am I trying to blame what's, totally, for the plight of black America. There are many other factors that caused by our own inabilities. I'm just showing where some of these notions come from.
Your d*ck size stats are way off based as well. The average penis is 5.5", regardless of race. Blacks tend to have a greater number of penis size larger than the average. http://www.sexualrecords.com/WSRphysiology.html
Lastly, you don't need to call me anything. The US government termed us AFrican-American, just like the US governement termed us Colored before that, and Negro before that, these are your people calling us that...not us. Most blacks prefer to be called black. And spare me the bullsh*t that whites don't want the hyphenated term. How many whites consider themselves irish-American, or Scottish-American, or Italian-American, Polish-American, etc. My birth certificate says black. Lastly the last slaves from Africa didn't come here in 1618, you might want to check you source. That actually ended in 1807.
Now it's questions like these that make me glad to answer on this thread. There is so much ignorance out there regarding blacks, its almost unbelievable, that in 2011 and the advent of Google and the internet, somebody couldn't simply look sh*t up to dispell most of the erroneous stereotypes posted above.Last edited by BgMc31; 02-17-2011 at 08:06 PM.
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02-17-2011, 07:37 PM #1122
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i think it cool bgmc31 that youve taken the libertys to carry on vp's thread.....he would be proud....
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02-17-2011, 07:42 PM #1123
^^^I just hope I can do the brotha proud! LOL!!!
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02-17-2011, 08:06 PM #1124
There are exceptions to this as in government jobs and union jobs. not to mention EEOC is coming down on all types of discriminations. As an autoworker in the uaw, everyone is paid the same scale for the same jobs, regardless of race, sex, sexual orientation, etc.
As far a blacks having larger penis size, I have to disagree on that based on what I know and believe me I know. There are a few races that have exceptional appendages.
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02-17-2011, 08:10 PM #1125
I'm not disagreeing with you on all this Shol'va. I'm just speaking in generalities. I amended my statements to show proof of what I'm referring to. If we really want to talk penis size, check out the average size of some of native tribes of Africa. The tribe that produced the late basketball player Munut Bol, not only are they considered the tallest on the planet (the Masi tribe), but they are known for their large penis size. I believe the average size of a mature male is in the 8" area. But the average height of the men are 6'7. So it makes since. Small population, but they are Black. So using logic, blacks do have a larger penis! hahahahahhahahah! I know I'm stretching it! LOL!!!
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02-17-2011, 08:13 PM #1126
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02-17-2011, 08:20 PM #1127
hahahahaha! Bring some condoms, they say AIDS is pretty popular there! hahahahahahahah!!!
One more point I want to make on 355Chevy's question. Lately I've heard more white guys (talk radio, Faux news, other forums, and members of this forum) complain more than blacks about how the white man is the most persecuted and discriminated demographic in this country. There are ZERO facts that back this statement...
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02-17-2011, 08:31 PM #1128Junior Member
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if you would read instead of throwing what i have to way off base, you would be better off answering my questions.
i didnt say ALL blacks drive new cars. i said, i have noted on a 5-1 basis that blacks,around here, drive new/fancy (fancy can be classified in many different ways) vehicles. compared to whites. if you have a problem with that fact, then go around the U.S. and force whites into vehicles they cant afford.
as far blacks getting punished more harshly, give me a break. the only thing i think we would agree on is Hollywodd "celebrity's" could get away with murder, were as me and you cant get out of a speeding ticket.
ive seen first hand, blacks getting jobs before a white man because of no other reason that "that" guy was black. why? because im a white male and im not "protected" (in this case,meaning im not a minority) under U.S. law like you. same goes for a white female getting a job before a white male. why? Cause she is "protected" under U.S. law. just how it is.
the pecker situatin, sorry. i guess ive just been reading the wrong reports and studies. please forgive me for that.
i dont have to be any certin color to see the "crutch" that is used all too much by people that are just sorry. be it white,black or otherwise.
again, open your eyes and read. did i say the last slaves were brought here in 1618? NO. im saying that the FIRST slaves were brought here in 1618. quit being so quick to try and be "right" and "disprove" anything i have to say, and maybe i wouldnt have to come back and correct you.
as far as sparing you bullshit.....uhh, what bullshit? i dont hear white guys goin around correcting people that call him white sayin "im British-American, thankyou".
i say the word black, and you can feel the room get tense. you say cracker, and nobody even blinks.Last edited by chevy355s10; 02-17-2011 at 08:34 PM.
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02-17-2011, 08:35 PM #1129Junior Member
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hell, maybe its just this area, but thats how it is around here. i know when i lived in florida, it wasnt like this. it was more even and less race oriented.
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02-17-2011, 08:37 PM #1130Junior Member
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also, i dont trust anything wiki has to say. anybody can go on there and write whatever their heart desires and someone can go on there right after "him" and change it.
Harvard is a very Libral university. so, if you want an unbiased conclusion to any test or question, dont go to them. same with seattle. post up reveiws from non-biased,non-libral people, and i will gladly read it.Last edited by chevy355s10; 02-17-2011 at 08:40 PM.
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02-17-2011, 08:38 PM #1131
People can complain all they want, but it is up to the individual to effect change in his or her life and not let anyone hold them back. If they do they are just giving away their own power to control their lives and destiny. IMO
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02-17-2011, 08:44 PM #1132Junior Member
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you sound like a very ibral person yourself, so there is no real reason to expect any non-biased opinion from you. the wole blacks get paid less for the same work....show me proof, rather than talk, and ill gladly eat my words. ive seen different. ive yet to see a black man get paid less than me. not once, not ever and i doubt i ever will. ive always bee paid the same as my fellow man, regardless of what you think. be it manual labor, all the way up the last office job i had. same pay, same work.
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02-17-2011, 08:44 PM #1133Junior Member
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02-17-2011, 08:56 PM #1134
1st black slaves were brought over to the new world in 1441. The fact that you don't believe one of the finest bastions of academia proves that they are no showing you anything that you don't agree with. So answering any of your questions does no good. I've offered you proof of wage disparity, I offered you proof of sentencing differences, but since you don't WANT to believe them then why even continue this discussion. Whether I'm liberal or conservative is not the point. I completely agree with what Sholva posted above. The individual is responsible for the positive or negative aspects of his/her life. You asked the question as to why blacks feel the way they do, I offered you a reason with statistical proof.
Tell you what please provide me proof otherwise. Please provide any proof of a black man getting a job SIMPLY BECAUSE HE'S BLACK. And how do you equate the term black with the term cracker? You are completely misguided. The term black is used everyday. Its an identifying characteristic, and being black and being around blacks all my life, I have yet to see any blacks have an adverse reaction to the term.
I had to come back and edit this post because I just realized something. There isn't an answer good enough for your Chevy355s10. How would you have wanted me to answer the question? I fell into an age old trap. Everyone has the same ability as I do to research said topics. But he is only looking to voice his frustrations. So I will allow him to do so. I offered proof to counter his points, he's chosen not to believe them. Nothing more I can do about that. So continue your questions, light hearted or other-wise. I'll attempt to continue to answer them. But believe me when I tell you, I'm not going to play the good n***a role and tell you what you want to hear. I'm going to answer it from my perspective, which is not necessarily the perspective of every black man because I don't represent every black man. I'll offer proof to what I believe, if you choose to believe me fine, if not, fine. I don't fault you for your beliefs so I expect the same respect in return. If you think that all blacks are spoiled, lazy, low riding, big butting lovin, athletic, big d*cked, socialist, over paid, thugs, I can't change your mind, so why even ask me questions? Just continue along your own line of thinking and I'll continue on mine. Fair? But if you are genuinely interested in wanting to know the history, mentality, and general thinking of blacks and want to know where certain stereotypes came from, please feel free to ask.Last edited by BgMc31; 02-17-2011 at 09:21 PM.
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02-17-2011, 09:21 PM #1135
I do get sick of the hyphenated american terms. not just African Americans but also Italian Americans, Irish Americans etc. I am of Italian backround and do not go around saying I am Italian American, why cant everyone just say they are American cause thats what we all are instead of making groups of everybody.
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02-17-2011, 09:29 PM #1136
^^^I realize that I am a black-American. I'm black and I'm American, no denying that. The color of one's skin is an identifying characteristic nothing more, nothing less. If I see a muscular white guy and somebody asked me to describe them I'd say the big white dude. Plain and simple. I don't consider myself African-American because I know nothing of Africa outside from what I've read. My African ancestry left Africa in the 1500s and ended up in the Carribean before coming to the mainland US. So I can pretty much say, I'm more American than most. But I can't hide the fact that I'm black...and proud of it. Like James Brown said, "SAY IT LOUD...I'M BLACK AND I'M PROUD". And if you're white (Italian, Polish, Irish, whatever) and proud, then thats great too! You can be proud of your color. Aint nuthin wrong with that!
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02-17-2011, 10:25 PM #1137
I like what MLK said. About not judging a man by the color of his skin but rather by his character and the content of his heart.
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02-17-2011, 10:28 PM #1138Banned
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cool mate those chevy pick truck you yanks have are really powerful..
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02-18-2011, 07:08 PM #1141Banned
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I know its a black man thread but in america didn't the crime rates change with the immigration it started with the italians, then the africans then the latinos?
I remember watching a doco that the latinos where taking over the african americans in the gang territory is that true?
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02-18-2011, 07:25 PM #1142
How come there are nationally recognized, government funded all black schools, colleges, and universities that only black people can enroll in and attend but if a group of everyday well respected white individuals started an all white school or university the black community would immediately call them racist? I am not a racist person BTW.
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02-18-2011, 10:25 PM #1143
1st of all there is no such thing as a government funded all black university. This is a very common misconception. The schools you are referring to are what are known as historically black colleges (HSBC). Believe it or not, these schools aren't exclusive and have similar white enrollment levels as many, what many would consider, normal schools. The reason for the existance of these colleges is because up until the 1960s many colleges (especially in the south) didn't allow black students, so in order for blacks to achieve higher education degrees, we developed our own university system. So because of this, should we call universities like Auburn, Alabama, Michigan, Ole Miss, Mississippi, Texas, and Florida, historically white colleges?
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02-18-2011, 10:30 PM #1144
Well you are partially correct. Usually the immigrant population because of lack of equal opportunity usually resort to crime to survive. But it didn't start with the italians, it actually began with german immigrants, then irish, then italians, eastern europeans. The black crime rates didn't escalate until the mass migration of blacks out of the south into the northern cities. The latinos are the last to the game and therefore are now taking over what were black gang territories because more and more blacks aren't moving out of the ghetto and have become more successful. Its usually the bottom of the economic ladder that tend to have higher crime/gang rates.
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02-19-2011, 12:19 AM #1145Banned
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yeah makes sense have still got any mates that are stuck in the ghettos?
Also do those streets actually exist that if you walk down there's a chance you could be shot or that just hollywood?
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02-19-2011, 01:35 AM #1146
I never really grew up in the hood. I grew up in a military family, but those of y'all who have been in the military know that the military bases are usually not in the best parts of town. The high school I went to was a lower income high school so I've seen my share of chaos, crime, and violence. All of my friends (the ones that made it out) are either how ranking NCO's, or officers in the military, professional athletes, or college grads with good jobs. The one's who didn't make it out are dead.
There are parts of this country that are dangerous to be in if you don't know the area. But to be honest, white people are ACTUALLY safer in those areas than I am. Why? Because if a white person gets killed or assaulted in those areas, cops respond more harshly, and the media gets involved, at least that's the perception. Not necessarily true in all instances. But the perception of that keeps whites safe. LOL!!
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02-19-2011, 03:34 AM #1147
I've had my fair share of black ass in my time (including a 7 year marriage). Now I have never had any aggro from my white collegues or friends. The only people who seem to get pissed are the black guys! I also went with a Black Woman for a month in Las Vegas a few years ago, and she wouldn't go with me until she checked with my mates that it would be alright for me to go with a black girl and that they wouldn't give me a hard time about it!! I am a Brit so maybe it is different in the States!
What do you think big man?
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02-19-2011, 02:53 PM #1148
That's true, its very true of black women when they see a black man with a white woman. Their mentality is this: They figure there are so few 'good' black men that when I black man gets successful he gets himself a white woman to complete his success. This has been a long standing issue in the black community.
But its not exclusive to blacks. When I was in the NFL, quite a few big name NFL players (Jason Taylor, Micheal Strahan, etc.) actually recieved death threats from white supremacists groups for marrying white women. Kim Kardashian has gotten a lot of flack from Armenian groups for messing, almost exclusively (until recently), with black men.
I'm married to a Hawaiian girl, and I have gotten a little flack from some Hawaiian (mainly because there are so few 'true' hawaiians remaining), but I have largely accepted. My family didn't have much of a problem with my wife. But I get looks all the time from black women when wifey and I go out.
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02-19-2011, 03:06 PM #1149
I think it's real cool that your so lax about your race nothing bothers me more than reverse racism..I grew up with blacks that had older parents who have been through the real hard time in the civil rights movement and they HATE whites..Iam not saying they don't have reason to be pissy, but were trying to better that situation right not make it worse..Everybody is human so WTF..BTW I do hate it when some 7 foot tall brother gets with one of my girls..You can guess Iam not gonna be able to tickle her rib cage like my man..LOL
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02-19-2011, 03:13 PM #1150
Well if reverse racism pisses you off, imagine how much racism pisses me off! LOL!!! Seriously man, I dig where you're coming from. That is why I had no problem taking over this thread. As you can see, there are a lot of people with misconceptions that I hope I can educate them about. Then, of course, there are those like Chevy355s10, who, no matter what you tell them or the proof you show them, they'll hold true to their beliefs.
More than anything, I appreciate the questions from you guys, and most of you are genuinely interested in the feedback. For the most part this has been a very civil thread. So thanks fellas. I appreciate it!!!
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02-19-2011, 07:53 PM #1151Banned
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Is crack cocaine still big in the black community?Watched a few docos about it wow the shit really fvcks ppl up...
Or has it moved to ice and other ampethamines?
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02-19-2011, 09:07 PM #1152
The black community considers Meth, white boy crack. Crack is still big in the hood. But not nearly like it was in the 80s-90s. Meth is hard to manufacture in the hood. No privacy, and the inability to purchase large amounts of pseudoephredrine at pharmacies in large cities makes it difficult. Cocaine (the basis of crack), is more readily available than the stuff to make meth. And crack is easier and less dangerous to cook than meth. But Meth is on the rise but not in the black hoods but it has a growing appetite in the hispanic barrios.
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02-19-2011, 10:00 PM #1153
Everybody knows to get the good coke you gotta get it from some brothers before they rock it up..It's called the shale looks like pearl and sparkles in the light..Hey I heard it from a buddyMeth like you said used to come outta the midwest mostly..I live in the midwest and it's got all the young kids around here stuff is hell..Now mexico has huge ultra labs producing it 24/7 because they basically are lawless for a price..In Iowa 10 grams of crack is in the same federal schedule as 5 kilo's of meth..Thats not because crack is more a black thing is it..Racist government..Crazyness..
I love the little cartoon things...lol
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02-19-2011, 10:18 PM #1154
You do get more jail time for crack than you do cocaine even if its the same amount. Some people thinks there's some racial aspects to that as well.
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02-19-2011, 10:25 PM #1155
IMHO it is racist as it comes..Look up the federal drug laws a little crack and a handgun like every corner boy has on his person is 10 years minimum mandatory your gonna serve at least 8.5..I went to school with and balled with many who are gone between 3 and 35 years for crack and weapons..It's sad because 30 years to me is half my life for a bag of dope...........
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02-19-2011, 10:34 PM #1156
Thank good ole Ronnie Reagan for that!!! And we all know how Reagan felt about blacks...
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02-19-2011, 10:39 PM #1157
As Ronnie Reagan would say "well, there you go again, just like people saying there is unemployment in America. There is no unemployment in America. That is just a silly rumor started by a bunch of people who are out of work".
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02-19-2011, 11:57 PM #1158
^^^hahahahahha!
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02-20-2011, 07:20 AM #1159
I think the black man is on the verge of truly rising above and beyond the glass ceiling imposed on him. There are a variety of things holding him back, some external, and some internal. Bill Cosby is a great spokesperson challanging the black man to make every attempt to minimize the internal factors..... be a responsible parent and raise the children you father in your home. Black children are raised in a majority of cases in a single mother household. The father is absent. Another plank in Bill's platform is to get an education. Stop thinking of your self in terms of being a victim. These are some of the basic things Bill Cosby is crusaiding for. I think society is at at point now that it is ready (generally) for there to be substantial change. But it is up to the rest of us to act properly too. When you are interviewing people for a job.... truly base your decision on how well this individual would be able to perform the job. I've known a few "whites" that won't hire people of color, period. Shameful? Damn straight. Conversely, I've applied for jobs where I felt I was head and shoulders better qualified for a position, yet turned down since I wasn't bilingual. I checked out one place, thinking they must predominantly speak spanish in the office? Naw.... they were speaking english. It is a tool that is used to manage an outcome during an interview process.
I thought I had a point in all this, but the cook just walked in and said dinner was ready, and I seemed to have lost my point.
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