Pics of yourself .. up to date ones.

**littlebill** · 10-12-2011, 01:20 PM

I really am just in maintenance phase with that. A squirt here and there every couple months. Gives the symmetry.

BG · 10-12-2011, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by littlebill

I really am just in maintenance phase with that. A squirt here and there every couple months. Gives the symmetry.

Were you able to get them growing by using it, or does it just give you an inch or so? Have you ever give it enough time to fully dissipate to see you actual "natural size"? I appreciate your honesty. Your actualy the size I would like to be, I hover around 205 off and 212-215 while on. I would like to be 225 off. Were you able to gain much size as you got older? Did you have to increase dosages?

**gbrice75** · 10-12-2011, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by BG

I hover around 205 off and 212-215 while on

BG, how tall are you?

**terraj** · 10-12-2011, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by littlebill

Here is me within a couple weeks. I'm 42 5'8 235-240: Some of you all should really post some pics so you can be taken more seriously when giving out important advice.

Looking large and tight Bill.....but I don't see 235 bodyweight in those pics.....you must have monster legs

**dec11** · 10-12-2011, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by littlebill

I really am just in maintenance phase with that. A squirt here and there every couple months. Gives the symmetry.

interesting, i personally still wouldnt mess with it though.

do you compete?

**Little1** · 10-12-2011, 06:18 PM

I am about 230 and all of you (BG, Gbrice) who are 10-20lbs lighter...look WAY more muscular. I hate you all...

**dec11** · 10-12-2011, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by BG

Were you able to get them growing by using it, or does it just give you an inch or so? Have you ever give it enough time to fully dissipate to see you actual "natural size"? I appreciate your honesty. Your actualy the size I would like to be, I hover around 205 off and 212-215 while on. I would like to be 225 off. Were you able to gain much size as you got older? Did you have to increase dosages?

what are you in that pic? i'd of been guessing 235-240lbs easily

**quarry206** · 10-12-2011, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Some of the most knowledgable people I have come across on these boards are not massive, nor are they bodybuilders, or even big at all. It means shit.

William Lwellyn, BigCat have never even touched AAS. Scally is a doctor who speacialises in treating androgen induced hypogonadism. Nandi wasnt a bodybuilder, nor does DatBTrue weigh 300lbs at 10%. Dante has never stepped on stage, but has helped hundreds of bodybuilders.

Just because you dont walk the walk and weigh 300lbs, doesnt mean you dont know your shit.

So So So true.. yet these words will mostly fall on deaf ears.

**JDawg1536** · 10-12-2011, 11:03 PM

My avi is current..... all 175 pounds of it. I don't know shit, so I don't give advice. I just go to the gym and pick shit up and put shit down.

***FireGuy*** · 10-12-2011, 11:16 PM

Every avi pick I have ever used, (and there have been several) have all been mine and unaltered. I dont think being out of shape automatically makes you lose credibility but I know being in shape automatically gains you some.

**littlebill** · 10-13-2011, 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by BG

Were you able to get them growing by using it, or does it just give you an inch or so? Have you ever give it enough time to fully dissipate to see you actual "natural size"? I appreciate your honesty. Your actualy the size I would like to be, I hover around 205 off and 212-215 while on. I would like to be 225 off. Were you able to gain much size as you got older? Did you have to increase dosages?

Only area I mess with oils is in my calfs. It was to gain symmetry in my arm to calf ratio. Long term the oil stretches fascia and allows further room for hypertrophy as that compartment is rather tight. On another note- as far as age. I feel as if I am making solid gains better now than at younger years. I have a lightening metabolism and am blessed to eat as I please. Actually I must eat 5000Kcal/day or I will drop 5 lbs. My calfs naturally were about 18.5" and I just always wanted them on same level as arms. It is the only area I have messed with oil and did a lot of reading and practicing before I messed with. When I don't touch up quartet they may go down 1/2".

**littlebill** · 10-13-2011, 04:31 AM

Originally Posted by terraj

Looking large and tight Bill.....but I don't see 235 bodyweight in those pics.....you must have monster legs

I fluctuate between 225-240 in the last 18 months. Been up to 250 but it was too difficult at my height and my cardio health went to shit. A lot of that was water. If you don't see 230+ I really don't know what to tell you bro. That's what it is. I have been told I look best- and I feel best at around 225 with about 6% BF. But that takes about a week of cardio for 30 min/day- as I do zero. So out of curiosity- from the pics terraj- what do I look to weigh at 5'8 on the button- w no shoes and a mesomorphic bone structure? Oh and I've been told my legs are In symmetry with my upper body. I might add I wear a 34" waist wide leg pants but need a belt for my waist.

**Swifto** · 10-13-2011, 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by littlebill

I fluctuate between 225-240 in the last 18 months. Been up to 250 but it was too difficult at my height and my cardio health went to shit. A lot of that was water. If you don't see 230+ I really don't know what to tell you bro. That's what it is. I have been told I look best- and I feel best at around 225 with about 6% BF. But that takes about a week of cardio for 30 min/day- as I do zero. So out of curiosity- from the pics terraj- what do I look to weigh at 5'8 on the button- w no shoes and a mesomorphic bone structure?

Well on the 03/03/2011 you weighed "190lbs'ish" according to a post from PM.com.

Originally Posted by strongrhino

Ill friendly challenge you Tyrone to a head to head 225 rep contest posted on board. Im about 190ish right now. Let me know. No disrespect intended. I think it would be challenging- What do ya think? Any interest? If ya win ill donate a couple hundred to a charity of your choice. All in good fun and entertaining....Would like a couple weeks- say April 1st or so to train my endurance fibers. You can make the "rules." If your not healthy or not interested no biggie at all. I just always like to get up for a challenge and a difficult challenge it would be cause its not the way I train. Rarely do I even do 12 reps of anything. I'm more the 6-8 rep kind- although we do burn out on 225 on bench day till failure but I never do it fresh as of late.

Would you also like to tell the members how you have put on 35lbs of muscle since March as well at 42 years of age. And... Thats at your lightest claimed stats, it could in fact be 40-50lbs of muscle at exactly the same bf%.

**littlebill** · 10-13-2011, 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Well on the 03/03/2011 you weighed "190lbs'ish" according to a post from PM.com.

Would you also like to tell the members how you have put on 35lbs of muscle since March as well at 42 years of age. And... Thats at your lightest claimed stats, it could in fact be 40-50lbs of muscle at exactly the same bf%.

Sure. I had a national BP competition in training at the time and my goal class I tried to make was 181 and set a WR. Most was water as sauna and lasix was killing me

**littlebill** · 10-13-2011, 05:20 AM

And 190ish was closer to 198 than 190 stripped.

**littlebill** · 10-13-2011, 05:28 AM

Like to see some trophies Swifto since you seem to be picking me apart? Or will some tv footage be suffice?

**Swifto** · 10-13-2011, 05:28 AM

Originally Posted by littlebill

Sure. I had a national BP competition in training at the time and my goal class I tried to make was 181 and set a WR. Most was water as sauna and lasix was killing me

So your not really 6% 225-240lbs then. Your mostly water retention. Either way, thats a shit load of "water" to loose for a pl competition.

How can you go from 225-240lbs 6% to 180lbs 6% using a sauna and lasix at exactly the same bf%?

**Swifto** · 10-13-2011, 05:30 AM

Originally Posted by littlebill

Like to see some trophies Swifto since you seem to be picking me apart? Or will some tv footage be suffice?

Its not hard to "pick you apart" strongrhino/littlebill, you do it yourself. All I do is point it out.

Your stats make no sense at all and your a consistant bullshitter.

**littlebill** · 10-13-2011, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Its not hard to "pick you apart" strongrhino/littlebill, you do it yourself. All I do is point it out.

Your stats make no sense at all and your a consistant bullshitter.

Ok what am I bullshitting about? My BW? I'll get on scale. My WR's? I'll post trophies. I was trying to post experience since members had questions about my calfs. I've been forthright and honest in disclosing my regimen. What's the issue?

**dec11** · 10-13-2011, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Well on the 03/03/2011 you weighed "190lbs'ish" according to a post from PM.com.

Would you also like to tell the members how you have put on 35lbs of muscle since March as well at 42 years of age. And... Thats at your lightest claimed stats, it could in fact be 40-50lbs of muscle at exactly the same bf%.

i knew i smelt BS from this guy

**dec11** · 10-13-2011, 05:40 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

So your not really 6% 225-240lbs then. Your mostly water retention. Either way, thats a shit load of "water" to loose for a pl competition.

How can you go from 225-240lbs 6% to 180lbs 6% using a sauna and lasix at exactly the same bf%?

as having competed plifting for 16yrs i can agree and tell you that guy is talking complete crap, theres no way he dropped weight like that and held strength, no serious plifter manages their body weight like this

**dec11** · 10-13-2011, 05:42 AM

Originally Posted by littlebill

Ok what am I bullshitting about? My BW? I'll get on scale. My WR's? I'll post trophies. I was trying to post experience since members had questions about my calfs. I've been forthright and honest in disclosing my regimen. What's the issue?

you hadnt much choice, its blatantly obvious your an oil filler

**Times Roman** · 10-13-2011, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by FireGuy

Every avi pick I have ever used, (and there have been several) have all been mine and unaltered. I dont think being out of shape automatically makes you lose credibility but I know being in shape automatically gains you some.

I think I see part of the united states on your arm....

I can see Tennessee, and parts of Kentucky....

(arm looks like a friggin road map!)

**dec11** · 10-13-2011, 06:11 AM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

I think I see part of the united states on your arm....

I can see Tennessee, and parts of Kentucky....

(arm looks like a friggin road map!)

sure is crazy vascular!!!!! i used to have it like that in my distant, long time ago 75kg division days, then the chunky 100kg class crept up after i quit smoking

**littlebill** · 10-13-2011, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by dec11

i knew i smelt BS from this guy

Bro you are outta your mind. You don't even know me and I'm verbally attacked. So what bs you smell? Is it my BW or my records? I'll be glad to show you either. And what did you do? Local shows. Well great for you man.

**littlebill** · 10-13-2011, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

So your not really 6% 225-240lbs then. Your mostly water retention. Either way, thats a shit load of "water" to loose for a pl competition.

How can you go from 225-240lbs 6% to 180lbs 6% using a sauna and lasix at exactly the same bf%?

Because 75% of BW is water. It's done all the time in competition. 48 hour weigh ins gain back 20lbs.

**littlebill** · 10-13-2011, 06:21 AM

Guys I competed against would go 181 then do a 242 show all the time. Ask anyone on that level. Guys have held WR in 4 weight classes. From 181 198 220 242. All at the same time.

**littlebill** · 10-13-2011, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Well on the 03/03/2011 you weighed "190lbs'ish" according to a post from PM.com.

Would you also like to tell the members how you have put on 35lbs of muscle since March as well at 42 years of age. And... Thats at your lightest claimed stats, it could in fact be 40-50lbs of muscle at exactly the same bf%.

So of I got to roughly 190 something or so and I'm on any given day say 230ish that's 25 lbs or so- That is nothing. Wrestlers boxers NFL lineman do that in 4 days. You just do not know the sport of PL and that's ok.

**devildog1967** · 10-13-2011, 07:26 AM

I remember when i got flamed for going off topic .. Oh well there you go .. just another excuses for people to to have ago at each other. And it goes to prove that people dont believe each other with PIC or without .. KINDER GARDEN

**dec11** · 10-13-2011, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by littlebill

Bro you are outta your mind. You don't even know me and I'm verbally attacked. So what bs you smell? Is it my BW or my records? I'll be glad to show you either. And what did you do? Local shows. Well great for you man.

national and international, BAWLA

Originally Posted by littlebill

So of I got to roughly 190 something or so and I'm on any given day say 230ish that's 25 lbs or so- That is nothing. Wrestlers boxers NFL lineman do that in 4 days. You just do not know the sport of PL and that's ok.

but i do..........

Originally Posted by devildog1967

I remember when i got flamed for going off topic .. Oh well there you go .. just another excuses for people to to have ago at each other. And it goes to prove that people dont believe each other with PIC or without .. KINDER GARDEN

you arent here long mate and have to realise we get bullshitters trolling here alot, its just natural that they trip themselves up and end up being caught out. would you prefer to visit a forum with experienced members or one full of bullshitters? why lie on the internet, whats the point?!

**dec11** · 10-13-2011, 07:57 AM

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**dec11** · 10-13-2011, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by littlebill

Bro you are outta your mind. You don't even know me and I'm verbally attacked. So what bs you smell? Is it my BW or my records? I'll be glad to show you either. And what did you do? Local shows. Well great for you man.

Originally Posted by littlebill

So of I got to roughly 190 something or so and I'm on any given day say 230ish that's 25 lbs or so- That is nothing. Wrestlers boxers NFL lineman do that in 4 days. You just do not know the sport of PL and that's ok.

Originally Posted by devildog1967

I remember when i got flamed for going off topic .. Oh well there you go .. just another excuses for people to to have ago at each other. And it goes to prove that people dont believe each other with PIC or without .. KINDER GARDEN

Originally Posted by littlebill

Because 75% of BW is water. It's done all the time in competition. 48 hour weigh ins gain back 20lbs.

man, come on, in all my years competing ive never ever heard the likes of this, its complete rubbish and anyone outside of plifting would know it aswell

**littlebill** · 10-13-2011, 08:01 AM

Hey man I do not care really what u think. Let's see your pics- I posted mine? And Swifto- ask rAJJIN- he has my tv coverage and WR certificates. How's that for ya? Sounds like a bunch if whiney old ladies here....

**dec11** · 10-13-2011, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by littlebill

So of I got to roughly 190 something or so and I'm on any given day say 230ish that's 25 lbs or so- That is nothing. Wrestlers boxers NFL lineman do that in 4 days. You just do not know the sport of PL and that's ok.

errr, no, that would be 40lbs

**dec11** · 10-13-2011, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by littlebill

Hey man I do not care really what u think. Let's see your pics- I posted mine? And Swifto- ask rAJJIN- he has my tv coverage and WR certificates. How's that for ya? Sounds like a bunch if whiney old ladies here....

why would someone else have them? what fed do you lift in? and in what year did get these world records? my pic is my avi

**littlebill** · 10-13-2011, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by dec11

man, come on, in all my years competing ive never ever heard the likes of this, its complete rubbish and anyone outside of plifting would know it aswell

How bout I bet you $10,000 dollars to your $1000 I will out bench you right now? You never did nothing. I had world and national records and bench 3X my bodyweight. Take my offer please....

**littlebill** · 10-13-2011, 08:07 AM

You just washed up and outta shape. They may not like me at PM but you go ask the mods (rAJJIN)there about me before you run your mouth boy. They have video and pictures of my records. And tv. You go ask then come back with your tail between your legs. Look up George Halbert. Westside barbell 4 weight class WR holder. Kenny Patterson 3 or 4 weight class's. And I'm another.

**dec11** · 10-13-2011, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by littlebill

How bout I bet you $10,000 dollars to your $1000 I will out bench you right now? You never did nothing. I had world and national records and bench 3X my bodyweight. Take my offer please....

yet again, whats your federation? we can soon look it up big shot. bench against you now? sure, wheres Doctor Who? i need some quick transport lol

which body weight would that be, the one you lie about or the small light one?

**dec11** · 10-13-2011, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by littlebill

You just washed up and outta shape. They may not like me at PM but you go ask the mods (rAJJIN)there about me before you run your mouth boy. They have video and pictures of my records. And tv. You go ask then come back with your tail between your legs. Look up George Halbert. Westside barbell 4 weight class WR holder. Kenny Patterson 3 or 4 weight class's. And I'm another.

yeah, sure, what ever you say. the synthol blown plifter, lmao

**littlebill** · 10-13-2011, 08:19 AM

I lifted in every federation such as APF USPF IPF NASA WPF- WPO where I got paid btw. WNPF. Bitch I competed from1997-2001 3 or so nationals, couple worlds MF and WR's. And I competed internationally. Trained with Anthony Clark Ryan Kennelly Jon grove steve goggins all the best. Keep ****ing running your mouth. I'm 42 now and unshirted ill do 550X2 315x20.
Keep going young man....you go ask rAJJIN. YOU know WHO THAT IS?