Avoid cardio first thing in the morning and before a workout

**mattvdh** · 07-09-2013, 06:34 PM

watch?NR=1&v=sELPfhf7wdY&feature=endscreen (unable to post urls yet)

Jerry Brainum dispels this common myth

**kelkel** · 07-09-2013, 06:42 PM

Words to live by!

**AZGOLDSMEMBER86** · 07-09-2013, 06:44 PM

Thought after workout is better than before

**mattvdh** · 07-09-2013, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by AZGOLDSMEMBER86

Thought after workout is better than before

that's correct.

**mattvdh** · 07-09-2013, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Words to live by!

impressive calves Kelkel, how did you get those? what kind of exercises?

**mattvdh** · 07-09-2013, 07:30 PM

I encourage everyone to check out Jerry Brainiums videos, the guy is a real guru on the subject! There's too many Chang's on the net spreading misinformation

**austinite** · 07-09-2013, 07:34 PM

Interesting. I disagree. It doesn't matter when you cardio. A calorie burned is a calorie burned. Over Thinking at its best... Besides, he's obviously not taking his own advice, he's fat.

**MuscleInk** · 07-09-2013, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by mattvdh

watch?NR=1&v=sELPfhf7wdY&feature=endscreen (unable to post urls yet)

Jerry Brainum dispels this common myth

Curious to see what he has to say. Can't view it from my phone. I do fasted cardio in the AM everyday so I personally feel his comments may be bs but I'll evaluate his commentary.

**mattvdh** · 07-09-2013, 07:45 PM

Do you even know who Jerry Brainum is? Show some respect, the guy is a legend, he trained with Arnold. In one ear out the other syndrome... He's easily one of the most knowledgeable guys on the subject, he's been BB since '69, only recently stopped. Google his pictures.

**austinite** · 07-09-2013, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by mattvdh

Do you even know who Jerry Brainum is? Show some respect, the guy is a legend, he trained with Arnold. In one ear out the other syndrome... He's easily one of the most knowledgeable guys on the subject, he's been BB since '69, only recently stopped. Google his pictures.

lol... You still stuck on arnold, son? I know who he is. I could care less. And arnold sucks, too. Happy?

**mattvdh** · 07-09-2013, 07:50 PM

Yeah definitely check out the video. You're likely burning muscle first thing in the morning on an empty stomach.

**mattvdh** · 07-09-2013, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

lol... You still stuck on arnold, son? I know who he is. I could care less.

Are you going to make a point sometime today or just troll?

**austinite** · 07-09-2013, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by mattvdh

Are you going to make a point sometime today or just troll?

Really? You that upset over a comment? Why don't you relax and enjoy your stay, before you make it too short. I made my point, what he said is not true. Simple. take it or leave it.

**mattvdh** · 07-09-2013, 07:57 PM

I'm not at all upset, I'm just saying you're not making any valid arguments. You're just disagreeing for no reason and you're being disrespectful to the guys who paved the path, not cool!

**gixxerboy1** · 07-09-2013, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by mattvdh

Yeah definitely check out the video. You're likely burning muscle first thing in the morning on an empty stomach.

why cause 1 old timer said so?

**mattvdh** · 07-09-2013, 08:01 PM

nice grammar.

**gixxerboy1** · 07-09-2013, 08:03 PM

really? sorry on my phone. didn't realize the grammar police were monitoring this thread.

But back to point, the video isn't correct

**Rwy** · 07-09-2013, 08:04 PM

This guy is funny

**austinite** · 07-09-2013, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by mattvdh

nice grammar.

Wow. I'm so happy to watch you shorten your membership span.

Did you even watch the very video you posted? "You're not eating any protein, there's no basic guard"... okaaaaaaaaay. Thanks for the science lesson!

**mattvdh** · 07-09-2013, 08:06 PM

You haven't made any valid points. You just said 'it's over thinking at its best' (not a point, just an opinion), 'a calorie burned is a calorie burned'---not true, if you're in a catabolic state your body will sacrifice muscle tissue instead of burning fat. When you do cardio first thing in the morning your glycogen is low and there's no protection from your body entering a catabolic state.

**mattvdh** · 07-09-2013, 08:10 PM

Why are so quick to threaten such things, it just shows that you're insecure about other's having an opinion.

**gixxerboy1** · 07-09-2013, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by mattvdh

You haven't made any valid points. You just said 'it's over thinking at its best' (not a point, just an opinion), 'a calorie burned is a calorie burned'---not true, if you're in a catabolic state your body will sacrifice muscle tissue instead of burning fat. When you do cardio first thing in the morning your glycogen is low and there's no protection from your body entering a catabolic state.

then how do I do morning cardio and burn fat and not muscle? Body composition doesn't lie

**mattvdh** · 07-09-2013, 08:19 PM

water loss, muscle loss. I doubt you would notice anything significant after a cardio session. It takes several days to lose a pound of legit fat. body composition isn't always accurate either.

**gixxerboy1** · 07-09-2013, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by mattvdh

water loss, muscle loss. I doubt you would notice anything significant after a cardio session. It takes several days to lose a pound of legit fat. body composition isn't always accurate either.

you're correct. I'm new to this and have only done one cardio session

**mattvdh** · 07-09-2013, 08:28 PM

so you're thinking is that your metabolism is at its fastest in the morning and because you have an empty stomach there's no calories to burn up, so your body will be forced to burn up fat, right?

**Sgt. Hartman** · 07-09-2013, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by mattvdh

You haven't made any valid points. You just said 'it's over thinking at its best' (not a point, just an opinion), 'a calorie burned is a calorie burned'---not true, if you're in a catabolic state your body will sacrifice muscle tissue instead of burning fat. When you do cardio first thing in the morning your glycogen is low and there's no protection from your body entering a catabolic state.

It doesn't matter what type of cal you burn while you're performing your cardio. Like aus said a calorie burned is a calorie burned. You have fat cells moving in and out of your fat stores all day long, lose some fat cells during cardio and gain them back at breakfast. Your body composition will be determined by your macro split, total cals, and training routine, etc. not when you do cardio.

**gixxerboy1** · 07-09-2013, 08:31 PM

sure, why not
but only on Tuesdays when its raining

**austinite** · 07-09-2013, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

sure, why not
but only on Tuesdays when its raining

No. Rain is a very small factor. It would have to hail to make a difference.

**MuscleInk** · 07-09-2013, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by mattvdh

Do you even know who Jerry Brainum is? Show some respect, the guy is a legend, he trained with Arnold. In one ear out the other syndrome... He's easily one of the most knowledgeable guys on the subject, he's been BB since '69, only recently stopped. Google his pictures.

I don't recall coming across as disrespectful. I offered an opinion and added that I would check it out. Untie the knot in your panties and take a few deep breaths. Life will go on.

**MuscleInk** · 07-09-2013, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by mattvdh

Are you going to make a point sometime today or just troll?

On the subject of (dis)respect, you're accusing one of the most valuable contributors on the board. Wow.

**Lunk1** · 07-09-2013, 08:50 PM

I highly doubt any of us are really reaching a TRUE catabolic state and if we are it isn't for a long enough time period to cause any real issue. If you are a pro athlete working out for hours a day, several days a week...sure!

**motoxposse** · 07-09-2013, 08:58 PM

For every successful body builder, trainer, and nutritionist out there that says cardio on an empty stomach there's one that says no that's wrong. It's just like what I do in the gym may not work for u. The saying goes opinions r like assholes everyone has one. A lot of ibbf pros say cardio on an empty Stomach who can argue with them.

**Zodiac82** · 07-10-2013, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

lol... You still stuck on arnold, son? I know who he is. I could care less. And arnold sucks, too. Happy?

:I couldn't care less:.... ; )

opened up a can of worms....because I short-hand like a mofo lol

-Beast Mode-

**baseline_9** · 07-10-2013, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Interesting. I disagree. It doesn't matter when you cardio. A calorie burned is a calorie burned. Over Thinking at its best... Besides, he's obviously not taking his own advice, he's fat.

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

It doesn't matter what type of cal you burn while you're performing your cardio. Like aus said a calorie burned is a calorie burned. You have fat cells moving in and out of your fat stores all day long, lose some fat cells during cardio and gain them back at breakfast. Your body composition will be determined by your macro split, total cals, and training routine, etc. not when you do cardio.

I havnt seein the video... I don't need to...

I do however know that the above posts are correct....

**--->>405<<---** · 07-10-2013, 07:15 AM

well maybe im an idiot but where is the video??

id also like to note here ive done fasted cardio down to 9%bf in the am and afternoon.. i have done 2 fasted cardio sessions per day for 4 months and cut from 13% bf to 9%bf losing very little LBM and maintaining strength..

wake up: 60 mins cardio
fast all day
6pm: 2nd 30minute fasted cardio session

end result: 9%bf very little LBM loss..

im doing it right now..

id also like to note here some people (myself included) intentionally deplete muscle glycogen and do cardio during this depleted state. its called CKD.. Lyle MacDonald (among others) recommends it and i have gotten (as said above) to single digit body fat utilizing this method.. high carb refeed days off sets any catabolism from my experience.. back when i did cardio in a carb loaded/fed state i was fat!

**< <Samson> >** · 07-10-2013, 09:08 AM

BS - you do not have muscle loss from doing fasted cardio. WTF

Muscle loss would come from too much cardio and not enough food.

If that's what happens, how did I drop 50 pounds in 2 and a half month, yet maintained all of my strength and Lbm?

Total BS from some fossil

**mattvdh** · 07-10-2013, 11:07 AM

so if a 'calorie burned is a calorie burned' (which doesn't necessarily mean you're burning fat), then why put yourself through the discomfort of a fasted state? Why risk burning muscle?

405: just paste the video link after youtube dot com, I'm unable to post links yet.

**mattvdh** · 07-10-2013, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by baseline_9

I havnt seein the video... I don't need to...

I do however know that the above posts are correct....

You should probably watch the video before forming an opinion. How can you be so sure that 'the above is correct' if you haven't considered an opposing opinion?

**mattvdh** · 07-10-2013, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by motoxposse

For every successful body builder, trainer, and nutritionist out there that says cardio on an empty stomach there's one that says no that's wrong. It's just like what I do in the gym may not work for u. The saying goes opinions r like assholes everyone has one. A lot of ibbf pros say cardio on an empty Stomach who can argue with them.

So the thing is that Brainum was a successful bodybuilder and has been a successful nutritionist since the 70's. A lot of IBBF bodybuilders also drink and smoke on the weekends and have strange and unproven methods. Just because they're 'pro's doesn't mean their logic holds water. You know how many guys are naturally blessed with genetics for packing on muscle? They defy all kinds of common logic.

**mattvdh** · 07-10-2013, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I highly doubt any of us are really reaching a TRUE catabolic state and if we are it isn't for a long enough time period to cause any real issue. If you are a pro athlete working out for hours a day, several days a week...sure!

405, was just mentioning how he is working out an hour in the morning fasted, then 30mins later on still fasted. So do you think he's likely burning muscle after a few months of this routine?