Are you on the side of Israel or the side of Palestine Hamas?

[Cuz]

Im for the side that has the best looking women. Other than I dont giva shit...

[David LoPan]

Im for the side that has the best looking women. Other than I dont giva shit...

[David LoPan]

Israeli women post sexy selfies to boost morale of IDF troops, they have a facebook page. That is support

[austinite]

i do not like being called a *troll* for having an opinion! If you don't like other people's opinions you might as well lock yourself in a toilet and finger your assh0le all day, because that is the only place where you will find peace and happiness. But in the real world people have other damn opinions some that you will agree with some that you won't! Calling me a child! Some of you users need to grow up!

Stop trolling you idiot. Your racist thread had no opinions in it, just a trouble maker here to stir shit up.

Go sit next to Euro in the corner. You're both a match.

[Docd187123]

xJay is a clown trying to stir shit up. Same reason he started that "Are you racist" thread. Nothing good ever comes from those threads.

Don't feed the troll.

Doc please don't waste your time with this child, he's a young brainwashed/dead fool....

Point taken.

Now how about some ass and tits.

[Honkey_Kong]

As a humanitarian, I'm offering my house as a refugee camp for all the Israeli and Palestinian female refugees.

[lovbyts]

As a humanitarian, I'm offering my house as a refugee camp for all the Israeli and Palestinian female refugees.

That's what I have been saying about the Hispanic refugees crossing our boarders but to be more specific they must be under 25, under 5' 6", under 110 lbs. Speaking English is not required but helps. I can provide tutoring for basic skill building such as cooking, cleaning and necessities such as proper hygiene and safe sex.

It's good to be a humanitarian.

[Honkey_Kong]

That's what I have been saying about the Hispanic refugees crossing our boarders but to be more specific they must be under 25, under 5' 6", under 110 lbs. Speaking English is not required but helps. I can provide tutoring for basic skill building such as cooking, cleaning and necessities such as proper hygiene and safe sex.

It's good to be a humanitarian.

Onward, Christian soldier! I didn't give any specification though on the women. I figured I could just turn the ugly ones away at the door or send them to one of my buddy's refugee camps...

[jimmyinkedup]

Onward, Christian soldier! I didn't give any specification though on the women. I figured I could just turn the ugly ones away at the door or send them to one of my buddy's refugee camps...

Some friend you are! LOL

[Times Roman]

For a MAN MADE book it sure has been pretty accurate in what has happened.

So you best bet your last ££££ on the Bible my friend!

sorry. bad bet.

too much innuendo. too many hints. it can be interpreted too many different way, especially "after the fact"

there are too many religious zealots that try to claim the accuracy of the bible by attempting to authenticate religious prophesy by looking at modern events that have recently occurred.

hundreds of times over the millennium, sooth seers have predicted the return of Christ, only to be proven wrong.

if you want to say it is accurate, then based on the bible, show me something that hasn't happened yet, and tell me when it is going to happen?

if that is too much for you,

then all we are talking about is a history book, which is fine. But it's accuracy is questionable. Many strongly believe Mary Magdelan was not only Jesus companion, but also the mother of his child. Not much is discussed about this, and nothing in the bible. So if Jesus had a decendent, then what? And why is Judas portrayed so terribly in the bible, when really Jesus asked him to do what he did (sell him out to the Romans) so that Jesus could fulfill his own prophesy. It's no coincidence he gave himself up on a Friday. It was the last day to be crucified prior to being taken down the next day, which gave him the greatest chance of surviving the crucification, except for one small thing. The Roman soldier (what's his name again?) that took his spear and stabbed Jesus in the side, which eventually killed him. That is why his prophesy of his "resurrection" went unfulfilled (remember? his resurrection was supposed to be seen by the masses?), except for three individuals that claim to have seen him arise. That's a pretty big mistake. So Jesus actually dies, and they haul off his body instead of reincarnation.

From a historical perspective, I find this whole matter fascinating. But from a biblical perspective, it is fraught with contradiction between the gospels and elsewhere. And as a factually based document, well, there is human error all throughout. It was never really fact checked for consistency, or at least not very well.

And then we get to King James (his version of the bible is very common) and he decides to do a rewrite so he can do as he pleases. He rewrites the bible, and claims a new branch off Christianity called Protest-antism.

And then the book of Mormon and the Calvanists.

Accuracy is NOT a word I would use to describe the Bible with.

Sorry mate. Too much time to think about this document critically.

Good try though

[xjay1234]

Of course the Bible is a HISTORY book, all that has happened in the Old Testament has come and past and all the prophecies that have come to pass have come. And the ones that are not YET done.

There is only ONE interpretation mate ONE.

The Bible tells the END OF THINGS to the BEGINNING. Isaiah 46:10 explains it clearly.

You don't even need to look at RECENT events to back up Bible prophecy look at the past.

The question is not IF Christ will return the question is WHEN. There are many give away signs that tell you this, Earthquakes in diverse places, Famine, STRONG DELUSION, Increased wickedness, Deceivers that claim to be Christ, Rumours of War (but my opinion the BIGGEST - ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT).

We hear constantly about this NEW WORLD ORDER and ONE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. We already have the EU being one big government, and with the issues going on in Ukraine and Russia you can see slowly but surely eventually all will come together as one. People even speak about we are all ONE RELIGION. Has an edge of Catholicism in it!

The Bible even prophecies that one third of human mankind kill be killed.

Look at the world we live in today. Look at it. North Korea (their leader is a nutjob) NUKE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, Russia NUKE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, Iran NUKE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. China they are the second largest economy on earth if I am correct NUKE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, I even read recently that China are investing in their new LONG RANGE missiles.

With the way the western world interfere in people's business (especially America) you can see how the 5hit will hit the fan! These countries who have other allies etc etc you can clearly see a MASS termination in mankind is VERY HIGHLY likely especially when these nations have NUKE power at the touch of a button to wipe out a country!

Revelation 9:18

So people can ignore Bible prophecies if they want, but it is pretty clear. It shouldn't scare anybody! It is there so people are aware hence why I said early in the thread you are better of reading Bible prophecy of what WILL happen then listen to what that long foreheaded tw@t David Cameron has to say!

Accept it or reject it.

Yes there can be the odd contractions here and there, but you must read it prefix upon prefix, line upon line, here a little and there a little!

But you can't just read the a few verses in the Bible and then say CONTRADICTION without being IN the Bible like a baby

But let me ask you. Tell me what PAST Biblical prophecies turned out being false? Tell me.

Because you said Jesus going to the cross was him fulfilling his own prophecy, but Jesus knew he was going to have to go to the cross. Yes Judas sold him out, but the ULTIMATE prophecy was that he (Jesus) would be betrayed. We must remember Christ is God in the flesh. He knew Peter was going to deny him and Judas was going to sell him out, but despite all that he KNEW his ULTIMATE mission was to die on that cross.

So you are questioning that Jesus' resurrection did not happen?

If you want to read the Bible in its PURE term read it in Hebrew.

sorry. bad bet.

too much innuendo. too many hints. it can be interpreted too many different way, especially "after the fact"

there are too many religious zealots that try to claim the accuracy of the bible by attempting to authenticate religious prophesy by looking at modern events that have recently occurred.

hundreds of times over the millennium, sooth seers have predicted the return of Christ, only to be proven wrong.

if you want to say it is accurate, then based on the bible, show me something that hasn't happened yet, and tell me when it is going to happen?

if that is too much for you,

then all we are talking about is a history book, which is fine. But it's accuracy is questionable. Many strongly believe Mary Magdelan was not only Jesus companion, but also the mother of his child. Not much is discussed about this, and nothing in the bible. So if Jesus had a decendent, then what? And why is Judas portrayed so terribly in the bible, when really Jesus asked him to do what he did (sell him out to the Romans) so that Jesus could fulfill his own prophesy. It's no coincidence he gave himself up on a Friday. It was the last day to be crucified prior to being taken down the next day, which gave him the greatest chance of surviving the crucification, except for one small thing. The Roman soldier (what's his name again?) that took his spear and stabbed Jesus in the side, which eventually killed him. That is why his prophesy of his "resurrection" went unfulfilled (remember? his resurrection was supposed to be seen by the masses?), except for three individuals that claim to have seen him arise. That's a pretty big mistake. So Jesus actually dies, and they haul off his body instead of reincarnation.

From a historical perspective, I find this whole matter fascinating. But from a biblical perspective, it is fraught with contradiction between the gospels and elsewhere. And as a factually based document, well, there is human error all throughout. It was never really fact checked for consistency, or at least not very well.

And then we get to King James (his version of the bible is very common) and he decides to do a rewrite so he can do as he pleases. He rewrites the bible, and claims a new branch off Christianity called Protest-antism.

And then the book of Mormon and the Calvanists.

Accuracy is NOT a word I would use to describe the Bible with.

Sorry mate. Too much time to think about this document critically.

Good try though

[xjay1234]

You jump into the swimming pool as soon as the water drains out.

1 Corinthians 14:38 IF ANY MAN BE IGNORANT LET HIM BE IGNORANT.

The most high has a short tolerance of stupidity.

So if you wanna believe that Palestinian Arabs are innocent and Israelis are the problem you do that. Fact is Palestine under Hamas will never make REAL peace with Israel. And when they do (which it will happen) it will be the covenant of death.

But it is funny how people attack Israel for the *treatment* of Palestinians. Yet Palestine have their own special land and their own currency.

Yet in Turkey (where I was not long ago) killed 1.5million Armenians and Turkey kill MANY Kurdish people and lock them up but Turkey don't make an independent state for the Kurds. But people are all over Israel's balls over Palestine when the Palestinians have their own state the biggest being Jordan!

So you believe what you want and I will believe what I want.

Like I said, go finger your assh0le if you want nothing but happiness and peace. But here you will hear other views!

Stop trolling you idiot. Your racist thread had no opinions in it, just a trouble maker here to stir shit up.

Go sit next to Euro in the corner. You're both a match.

[austinite]

Stupid troll. Go away kid.

[marcus300]

fuking hell what a brain washed fuking idiot, get in the real world and take your head out of your arse or book lmfao

I cant read anymore of these happy clappers lol

[Cuz]

You jump into the swimming pool as soon as the water drains out.

1 Corinthians 14:38 IF ANY MAN BE IGNORANT LET HIM BE IGNORANT.

The most high has a short tolerance of stupidity.

So if you wanna believe that Palestinian Arabs are innocent and Israelis are the problem you do that. Fact is Palestine under Hamas will never make REAL peace with Israel. And when they do (which it will happen) it will be the covenant of death.

But it is funny how people attack Israel for the *treatment* of Palestinians. Yet Palestine have their own special land and their own currency.

Yet in Turkey (where I was not long ago) killed 1.5million Armenians and Turkey kill MANY Kurdish people and lock them up but Turkey don't make an independent state for the Kurds. But people are all over Israel's balls over Palestine when the Palestinians have their own state the biggest being Jordan!

So you believe what you want and I will believe what I want.

Like I said, go finger your assh0le if you want nothing but happiness and peace. But here you will hear other views!

Quoting scripture and then telling someone to finger their asshole? You need help. Go get yourself some help kid.

[Shol'va]

[Docd187123]

Israel wants real peace huh?

In 2008, Israel sent soldiers into Gaza. An estimated 1,300 people, many of them civilians, were killed in Gaza before a ceasefire was declared; 13 Israeli soldiers also died.

In 2012, at least 167 Palestinians and six Israelis were killed during an Israeli operation. After eight days a ceasefire was declared with both sides promising to stop attacks.

Most recently in July 2014, Palestinian authorities said over 200 people were killed by Israeli air strikes and many more injured. Israel says more than 1,100 rockets were fired from Gaza, seriously injuring at least four Israelis, with one Israeli man killed.

[Docd187123]

And more peace processes by Israel

In December 1987, the Palestinian population in the West Bank and Gaza began a mass uprising against the Israeli occupation. This uprising, or intifada (which means “shaking off” in Arabic), was not started or orchestrated by the PLO leadership in Tunis. Rather, it was a popular mobilization that drew on the organizations and institutions that had developed under occupation.
The intifada involved hundreds of thousands of people, many with no previous resistance experience, including children and teenagers. For the first few years, it involved many forms of civil disobedience, including massive demonstrations, general strikes, refusal to pay taxes, boycotts of Israeli products, political graffiti and the establishment of underground “freedom schools” (since regular schools were closed by the military as reprisals for the uprising). It also included stone throwing, Molotov cocktails and the erection of barricades to impede the movement of Israeli military forces.
Intifada activism was organized through popular committees under the umbrella of the United National Leadership of the Uprising. This broad-based resistance drew unprecedented international attention to the situation facing Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, and challenged the occupation as never before.
Under the leadership of Defense Minister Yitzhak Rabin, Israel tried to smash the intifada with “force, power and beatings.” Army commanders instructed troops to break the bones of demonstrators. From 1987 to 1991, Israeli forces killed over 1,000 Palestinians, including over 200 under the age of 16.
Israel also engaged in massive arrests; during this period, Israel had the highest per capita prison population in the world. By 1990, most of the Palestinian leaders of the uprising were in jail and the intifada lost its cohesive force, although it continued for several more years.
During the first intifada, Israel instituted a secret policy of targeted killing in the Occupied Territories. These operations were conducted by undercover units who disguised themselves as Arabs to approach and execute their targets, or by snipers who killed from a distance. To evade war crimes allegations, for years Israel’s targeted killing policy was staunchly denied.

[Honkey_Kong]

Of course the Bible is a HISTORY book, all that has happened in the Old Testament has come and past and all the prophecies that have come to pass have come. And the ones that are not YET done.

There is only ONE interpretation mate ONE.

The Bible tells the END OF THINGS to the BEGINNING. Isaiah 46:10 explains it clearly.

You don't even need to look at RECENT events to back up Bible prophecy look at the past.

The question is not IF Christ will return the question is WHEN. There are many give away signs that tell you this, Earthquakes in diverse places, Famine, STRONG DELUSION, Increased wickedness, Deceivers that claim to be Christ, Rumours of War (but my opinion the BIGGEST - ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT).

We hear constantly about this NEW WORLD ORDER and ONE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. We already have the EU being one big government, and with the issues going on in Ukraine and Russia you can see slowly but surely eventually all will come together as one. People even speak about we are all ONE RELIGION. Has an edge of Catholicism in it!

The Bible even prophecies that one third of human mankind kill be killed.

Look at the world we live in today. Look at it. North Korea (their leader is a nutjob) NUKE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, Russia NUKE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, Iran NUKE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. China they are the second largest economy on earth if I am correct NUKE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, I even read recently that China are investing in their new LONG RANGE missiles.

With the way the western world interfere in people's business (especially America) you can see how the 5hit will hit the fan! These countries who have other allies etc etc you can clearly see a MASS termination in mankind is VERY HIGHLY likely especially when these nations have NUKE power at the touch of a button to wipe out a country!

Revelation 9:18

So people can ignore Bible prophecies if they want, but it is pretty clear. It shouldn't scare anybody! It is there so people are aware hence why I said early in the thread you are better of reading Bible prophecy of what WILL happen then listen to what that long foreheaded tw@t David Cameron has to say!

Accept it or reject it.

Yes there can be the odd contractions here and there, but you must read it prefix upon prefix, line upon line, here a little and there a little!

But you can't just read the a few verses in the Bible and then say CONTRADICTION without being IN the Bible like a baby

But let me ask you. Tell me what PAST Biblical prophecies turned out being false? Tell me.

Because you said Jesus going to the cross was him fulfilling his own prophecy, but Jesus knew he was going to have to go to the cross. Yes Judas sold him out, but the ULTIMATE prophecy was that he (Jesus) would be betrayed. We must remember Christ is God in the flesh. He knew Peter was going to deny him and Judas was going to sell him out, but despite all that he KNEW his ULTIMATE mission was to die on that cross.

So you are questioning that Jesus' resurrection did not happen?

If you want to read the Bible in its PURE term read it in Hebrew.

The Bible, in it's "pure" form wasn't written in Hebrew. Only the Old Testament was. The New Testament was originally written in Greek. So I suggest you read The Bible in it's "pure" form.

[austinite]

fuking hell what a brain washed fuking idiot, get in the real world and take your head out of your arse or book lmfao I cant read anymore of these happy clappers lol

agree. Lmao.

[xjay1234]

YOU go away this is MY thread I started!

Stupid troll. Go away kid.

[xjay1234]

Quoting scripture and then telling someone to finger their asshole? You need help. Go get yourself some help kid.

People here are sensitive to other people's views, if that is the case they should lock themselves away and finger their assh0le that is the only place they will find peace and happiness.

But in the real world people have other views. Simple

[xjay1234]

fuking hell what a brain washed fuking idiot, get in the real world and take your head out of your arse or book lmfao

I cant read anymore of these happy clappers lol

You are the one that is not in the real world.

But we live in a very unholy world, so I expect that type of response when scripture is spoken.

[jimmyinkedup]

YOU go away this is MY thread I started!

This is the lounge (you shoukd know this aside from a few nutritional threads you spend all your time here), much leeway is granted. From a staff perspective you total sum contribution to this board had been to start volatile, sensitive topic threads considered borderline for even the lounge area. They often go in a direction that demands staff attention. Attention that could be better directed elsewhere. While you may not like that it is true. I dont like babysitting, I dont work in daycare, if your gonna post this stuff and it is very graciously being allowed to continue you have to take it as well as dish it out. I dont feel like babysitting this thread nor the other in my mind stupidass ones you have created. Im sure many staff feel the same (obviously)You wanna talk politics or religion or race issues there are plenty of forums where you can do so, this is a bodybuilding forum. We have enough issues ensuring it is the best forum around in that area without inflammatory BS threads like the ones you start. Dont care if you like it, dont care if its your thread, tell staff to GTFO of the threads you start no matter what you will not be here long.

[Shol'va]

Good news there is a cease fire going on now in the Middle East....

[Shol'va]

And in the words of Rodney King, he said "Couldn't we all just get along?"

[lovbyts]

Quoting scripture and then telling someone to finger their asshole? You need help. Go get yourself some help kid.

I have to agree. Unfortunately its like most, not all religious people; if you don't agree with them and they can't save your soul then they are just as happy to see you damned or even help you on your way.

Religion and religious people start out to have good intentions but human nature gets in the way.

[Times Roman]

Of course the Bible is a HISTORY book, all that has happened in the Old Testament has come and past and all the prophecies that have come to pass have come. And the ones that are not YET done.

There is only ONE interpretation mate ONE.

The Bible tells the END OF THINGS to the BEGINNING. Isaiah 46:10 explains it clearly.

You don't even need to look at RECENT events to back up Bible prophecy look at the past.

The question is not IF Christ will return the question is WHEN. There are many give away signs that tell you this, Earthquakes in diverse places, Famine, STRONG DELUSION, Increased wickedness, Deceivers that claim to be Christ, Rumours of War (but my opinion the BIGGEST - ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT).

We hear constantly about this NEW WORLD ORDER and ONE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. We already have the EU being one big government, and with the issues going on in Ukraine and Russia you can see slowly but surely eventually all will come together as one. People even speak about we are all ONE RELIGION. Has an edge of Catholicism in it!

The Bible even prophecies that one third of human mankind kill be killed.

Look at the world we live in today. Look at it. North Korea (their leader is a nutjob) NUKE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, Russia NUKE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, Iran NUKE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. China they are the second largest economy on earth if I am correct NUKE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, I even read recently that China are investing in their new LONG RANGE missiles.

With the way the western world interfere in people's business (especially America) you can see how the 5hit will hit the fan! These countries who have other allies etc etc you can clearly see a MASS termination in mankind is VERY HIGHLY likely especially when these nations have NUKE power at the touch of a button to wipe out a country!

Revelation 9:18

So people can ignore Bible prophecies if they want, but it is pretty clear. It shouldn't scare anybody! It is there so people are aware hence why I said early in the thread you are better of reading Bible prophecy of what WILL happen then listen to what that long foreheaded tw@t David Cameron has to say!

Accept it or reject it.

Yes there can be the odd contractions here and there, but you must read it prefix upon prefix, line upon line, here a little and there a little!

But you can't just read the a few verses in the Bible and then say CONTRADICTION without being IN the Bible like a baby

But let me ask you. Tell me what PAST Biblical prophecies turned out being false? Tell me.

Because you said Jesus going to the cross was him fulfilling his own prophecy, but Jesus knew he was going to have to go to the cross. Yes Judas sold him out, but the ULTIMATE prophecy was that he (Jesus) would be betrayed. We must remember Christ is God in the flesh. He knew Peter was going to deny him and Judas was going to sell him out, but despite all that he KNEW his ULTIMATE mission was to die on that cross.

So you are questioning that Jesus' resurrection did not happen?

If you want to read the Bible in its PURE term read it in Hebrew.

I'm going to make this last comment and then I'll stop. I've had this discussion too many times, with too many different people, and it always ends the same, although the process of debate is still interesting to me.

Your argument is a circular reference.

This means, you are trying to support biblical dogma only by referring back to the very same document you are trying to authenticate. Itself.

(That's like getting a second opinion about your medical condition from the same doctor, and then saying, well, that just proves he was right)

The "problem" with faith as I see it is that, in order to do that (convince yourself that YOUR faith is true), most feel it necessary to abandon the ability to think critically. They lose the ability to "think outside the box". This means that when someone, such as myself, questions anything about the bible, these sometimes get hostile and defensive.

What I am doing now, critically thinking about the Bible, considering all the various references and cross references, noting the inconsistencies, the omissions, and the period in which it was written, not too long ago people such as yourself would become uncomfortable, and label me a heretic. And not too long before that, the Inquisitor would come "knocking" on my front door, and haul me off and kill me.

Many people were killed because of this, all in the name of their church and their belief that they were righteous in the light of their god.

This goes to show how easily people can be mislead.

Anytime anyone refuses to hear counter arguments, and to refuse having an open mind, then they become easily manipulated through the dogma of their pontiff and their church. (Need proof of this statement? Look at what Jim Jones was able to do, after all, it was just cool-aide, right?)

And for some people that feel the need to belong and follow others, this is a very strong compulsion.

Personally, I've spent a life time thinking critically and asking questions. This does not mean I am an atheist. What I am saying is that if there is a god, I doubt he has anything to do with what is in the "King James Bible".

I am tolerant of people like you. I respect your right to believe as you choose.

But don't send the inquisitor to come kill me because you refuse to give me the right to believe as I choose.

[bass]

man I couldn't stomach some of these posts, but to get back to the topic. I 100% support Israel, hamas are terrorist and 100% responsible for the deaths of innocent Palestinians. take a look,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMiG9JD2OxM

I lived in Iraq for 17 years, probably longer than anyone posted in this thread that spent time ion that region. as a minority (Catholic) living under an Islamic regime was a living heel, just look at what's happening in Iraq today by ISIS, my village (where Nahum's Tomb is) where I grew up is under attached exterminating the Christians, just for being Christmas. also like to add not only Christians are persecuted but also Kurds and other sects of Muslims. so I know who hamas is and what their goal is and what the reason is. they are simply evil.

[xjay1234]

Hello Roman! Great to hear you again! Okay this will be my last reply to you as well, you have been respectful so I will be respectful as well.

I will try and make this short as I can but it will be hard!

It seems to me that the people you speak with about religion (Christianity in particular) have given you the Bible (similar to me) and tell you to BELIEVE.

Well I am not like that, mate INVESTIGATE!

Don't just accept that Jesus died on the cross in Jerusalem, INVESTIGATE!

I have no issue with you questioning all of this, why? Because questioning everything will bring you closer to God consciousness.

If you want to find or know God question EVERYTHING until you get to the most high.

The problem with some of the people that present The Bible or Quran (which is Satan's book) is to question NOTHING and I think you have come across that a lot.

We are blessed in today's world to be able to travel to Israel so you can INVESTIGATE that Jesus really did die on the cross.

Go to Egypt and investigate for sure that Pharaoh was a real person that had the Israelites enslaved.

Go to Turkey and find out if Noah's Ark really did exist.

Because if this is all true (which it is) then the Preacher, the Pastor, the Priest would have NO issue with that.

Say if a woman is raped and you are the unfortunate suspect, and you need to take a DNA test to prove you didn't raper her. You wouldn't mind taking the DNA test because you know it will show you are innocent.

Say if you are an Olympic powerlifter and you need to take a blood test to prove you have no banned substances, you won't mind taking the test, because you are clean.

Same with Christianity! Investigate! But more importantly VISIT THESE PLACES! And see with your own eyes for sure.

Let me give you an example.

When I was in Palestine, after going to Jesus' major we went to Milk Grotto where Mary hid out with baby Jesus, and our tour guide told us this was where Mary hid out and that the white marks we saw on the caves where from Mary's breast when she breast feed baby Jesus.

Now I smelt a rat only because I felt that milk mark on a rock would not last 2000+ years later like that.

Now I suppose I would have questioned this, however I was not certain that this was the case, and because Catholicism has got a hold on Palestine, Israel I was not sure to believe that part.

But being there I could question that for myself, and see for myself to really legitimise.

Questioning my friend along with visiting and research brings you much closer to the most high.

I am far from insecure about my beliefs why cos you can investigate my beliefs and a majority of it can be legitimised.

What we must remember is that are human beings and as human beings we only know so much. There are mysteries out there that we want to know. I want to know what was around PRE Adam and Eve? Was there really such a thing as PRE ADAMITES? It is not in the Bible but I would love to know. We hear Scientist speak about certain living things that lived on earth 90k years ago (Which pre dates the Bible significantly) The Bible's span of time is about 6-7k years of human time from Genesis to Revelation.

MANY fascinating mysteries that we would love to know, and it is human nature to want to know! However the truth of the matter our level of comprehension is not anywhere near the same level as the most high's comprehension.

Somebody once asked (I don't think it was this thread) well if God already knows what will happen in the end then what is the point?

Just like you asked about Jesus knowing what was going to happen to him and what he would have to to and that Judas was going to stab him in the back he knew this already. And what was going to happen.

All part of the plan.

But the truth is that religion can be the biggest BLOCK in getting towards God.

Why believe in God, when you can know God? Why believe Jesus died on the cross when you can know it?

Our intellectually facility definitely helps us to get to God and once you have investigated, researched, visited and legitimized it all then you are there with the most high and will be in scripture wanting to know more and be saved.

I want to go to Israel again soon, so I can further research and see things again, infact what I may do is put my pictures of when I was in Israel and Palestine for people to see.

There is more I want to add but it will turn into a dissertation!

But last point so when we see what is going on in the news today with certain trumpets that have been sounded! What is happening in the middle east.

Turkey wanting to try and be peace mediator between Israel and Palestine and the Bible says that the Anti Christ's seat will be in TURKEY.

That is why when the 7 peace treaty with Israel and Palestine is signed THAT IS A MASSIVE SIGN!!!

These are Biblical prophecies.

That is why it is so intriguing with what is happening with the middle east and ISIS now spreading (they will spread now that is it)

Turkey wanting to become the old Ottoman Empire. It all comes together.

I don't know if this will happen in our lifetime, but Israel, Turkey and Saudi Arabia nations to watch out for.

But it has been great going back and forth with you.

I hope you get closer to God consciousness!

I think as more news down the month comes out of the middle east it may open you up more to believe that what the Bible is pointing you in the right direction.

I'm going to make this last comment and then I'll stop. I've had this discussion too many times, with too many different people, and it always ends the same, although the process of debate is still interesting to me.

Your argument is a circular reference.

This means, you are trying to support biblical dogma only by referring back to the very same document you are trying to authenticate. Itself.

(That's like getting a second opinion about your medical condition from the same doctor, and then saying, well, that just proves he was right)

The "problem" with faith as I see it is that, in order to do that (convince yourself that YOUR faith is true), most feel it necessary to abandon the ability to think critically. They lose the ability to "think outside the box". This means that when someone, such as myself, questions anything about the bible, these sometimes get hostile and defensive.

What I am doing now, critically thinking about the Bible, considering all the various references and cross references, noting the inconsistencies, the omissions, and the period in which it was written, not too long ago people such as yourself would become uncomfortable, and label me a heretic. And not too long before that, the Inquisitor would come "knocking" on my front door, and haul me off and kill me.

Many people were killed because of this, all in the name of their church and their belief that they were righteous in the light of their god.

This goes to show how easily people can be mislead.

Anytime anyone refuses to hear counter arguments, and to refuse having an open mind, then they become easily manipulated through the dogma of their pontiff and their church. (Need proof of this statement? Look at what Jim Jones was able to do, after all, it was just cool-aide, right?)

And for some people that feel the need to belong and follow others, this is a very strong compulsion.

Personally, I've spent a life time thinking critically and asking questions. This does not mean I am an atheist. What I am saying is that if there is a god, I doubt he has anything to do with what is in the "King James Bible".

I am tolerant of people like you. I respect your right to believe as you choose.

But don't send the inquisitor to come kill me because you refuse to give me the right to believe as I choose.

[xjay1234]

man I couldn't stomach some of these posts, but to get back to the topic. I 100% support Israel, hamas are terrorist and 100% responsible for the deaths of innocent Palestinians. take a look,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMiG9JD2OxM

I lived in Iraq for 17 years, probably longer than anyone posted in this thread that spent time ion that region. as a minority (Catholic) living under an Islamic regime was a living heel, just look at what's happening in Iraq today by ISIS, my village (where Nahum's Tomb is) where I grew up is under attached exterminating the Christians, just for being Christmas. also like to add not only Christians are persecuted but also Kurds and other sects of Muslims. so I know who hamas is and what their goal is and what the reason is. they are simply evil.

IRAQ 17 years years?

What is it like there?

Well there is no doubt in my mind I believe MYSTERY Babylon that the Bible speaks of is the City of MECCA no question.

The ISIS situation is VERY interesting because they want to implement the Islamic Caliphate! And in Islam the Caliphate is the successor to their prophet Mohammad. And when this Caliphate comes and claims to be Madhi and perform all these wonders and miracles to tell everybody HE IS THE SAVIOUR. Muslims will bow down and so will every some Christians and Jews because they will be fooled but the Bible WARNS OF THIS!

Once you take that MARK IT IS A RAP FOR YOUR SOUL!

Because the Quran teaches to TAKE THE MARK and the Bible teaches NOT TO

The Quran teaches that Jesus is not the son of God OPPOSITE to the Bible.

The Quran is a deceptive book! And I have done some investigation of my own into the Quran and you can see how the QUran when it speaks about end time prophecies completely goes against what the Bible when it comes to taking the mark of the beast.

But ISIS will grow and Hamas' agenda like I said it so kick Israel into the sea.

[xjay1234]

This is the lounge (you shoukd know this aside from a few nutritional threads you spend all your time here), much leeway is granted. From a staff perspective you total sum contribution to this board had been to start volatile, sensitive topic threads considered borderline for even the lounge area. They often go in a direction that demands staff attention. Attention that could be better directed elsewhere. While you may not like that it is true. I dont like babysitting, I dont work in daycare, if your gonna post this stuff and it is very graciously being allowed to continue you have to take it as well as dish it out. I dont feel like babysitting this thread nor the other in my mind stupidass ones you have created. Im sure many staff feel the same (obviously)You wanna talk politics or religion or race issues there are plenty of forums where you can do so, this is a bodybuilding forum. We have enough issues ensuring it is the best forum around in that area without inflammatory BS threads like the ones you start. Dont care if you like it, dont care if its your thread, tell staff to GTFO of the threads you start no matter what you will not be here long.

This forum should be renamed

Anabolic Lounge Off Topic Discussion (with the exception of Religion, Race and Politics)

I only started a thread that was based on current world news that was all.

[bass]

This forum should be renamed

Anabolic Lounge Off Topic Discussion (with the exception of Religion, Race and Politics)

I only started a thread that was based on current world news that was all.

although I am with you on faith (God is real, and there will be consequences) it doesn't mean your interoperation of scripture is correct, you really have to have authority and knowledge to interpret the Bible, its says so in the Bible. you and I can read it but it doesn't mean we really understand it. all if not most aspects of God are a mystery including the bible, I am afraid many of Christians misinterpret the Bible. the problem with getting negative responses here from members is not that they're anti God (some are) but rather they don't like to be preached to. no one does! some times preaching comes off as telling them off or telling them they are going to hell, etc... just my opinion.

[Shol'va]

No matter what side one is on, it is going to be difficult somewhere down the road to coexist with groups who use religion to kill and force another to either join or die due to that religion. it would be interesting to know how we all would have coexisted in a world completely void of any and all religion. There would be fewer wars, I would think since most wars now are due either directly or indirectly to religion. But with that said i think some religion is better than none at all. as it is a great guide to keeping mankind on a more honest and true path. well until one gets to the part where your religion tells you to force others to join or get beheaded. But since this has been going on for hundreds of years, we probably won't be around to see how it all ends, as it won't end with Israel. Too much fighting elsewhere in the world for it to end with Israel. Yes Israel might get another peace treaty. But for how long before it all starts up yet again. Throw in Iran, Jordan, Turkey, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq to name just a few and these wars will go on till mankind all die off or some society finally figures out how to put a stop to all the madness once and for all. personally at this point in time I for one am not hopeful for mankind. It seems like the smarter we become, the more likely we are to all die.

[Rusty11]

This forum should be renamed

Anabolic Lounge Off Topic Discussion (with the exception of Religion, Race and Politics)

I only started a thread that was based on current world news that was all.

Why don't you just "turn the other cheek"? It's very simple to do.

[jimmyinkedup]

This forum should be renamed

Anabolic Lounge Off Topic Discussion (with the exception of Religion, Race and Politics)

I only started a thread that was based on current world news that was all.

Read my entire post, take heed to all of it. Enough said.

[frank13]

cliff notes?

[xjay1234]

This is why it is important for people who read scripture to have study tools such a Bible Dictionaries, Greek Hebrew translations, and Strongs.

But I promise not my intention to preach.

although I am with you on faith (God is real, and there will be consequences) it doesn't mean your interoperation of scripture is correct, you really have to have authority and knowledge to interpret the Bible, its says so in the Bible. you and I can read it but it doesn't mean we really understand it. all if not most aspects of God are a mystery including the bible, I am afraid many of Christians misinterpret the Bible. the problem with getting negative responses here from members is not that they're anti God (some are) but rather they don't like to be preached to. no one does! some times preaching comes off as telling them off or telling them they are going to hell, etc... just my opinion.

[jimmyinkedup]

cliff notes?

OPs sole contributions to board have been a few posts in nutrition forum and several borderline threads in the lounge that always take up far to much time for staff as the RPR threads (religon, politics and racism-all of which he has started threads on - one on racism and this one on politics which has somehow now encompassed religion) evoke strong emotional responses in people and tend to get out of hand. However much leeway has been granted. That being said when called out and told by staff to stop he tells them to GTFO of this thread. Not looking good for him here should the trend continue.
Thats pretty much all im taking from him and his threads and posts.

[xjay1234]

All 10 Arab Nations will sign.

The issue is when politicians deal with Israel etc etc they look at the entire thing through secularist glasses.

Truth is religion is a massive factor in this Israeli/Palestine situation.

Israel is the only non islamic state in the middle east, and all the 10 Arabic Nations want to destroy them and any other non Islamic people.

That is genocide, and for Islam is it un-negotiable.

It is clear.

Only two options, defend Israel from genocide or embrace genocide.

As far as the peace treaty there will be one, the issue is the Quran teaches Muslims to lie to infidels and non believers for the purpose of getting the upper hand <Taqiyya and Hudna> which tells Muslims to lie and never honour treaties with infidels.

So peace can never be won with the Arabs.

But all I can say is keep eyes on the news watch different news channels.

I watch a lot of Al Jazeera news (they really go in depth with the middle east), France 24, CNN, and of course my bread and butter Sky News and BBC News.

Take care

No matter what side one is on, it is going to be difficult somewhere down the road to coexist with groups who use religion to kill and force another to either join or die due to that religion. it would be interesting to know how we all would have coexisted in a world completely void of any and all religion. There would be fewer wars, I would think since most wars now are due either directly or indirectly to religion. But with that said i think some religion is better than none at all. as it is a great guide to keeping mankind on a more honest and true path. well until one gets to the part where your religion tells you to force others to join or get beheaded. But since this has been going on for hundreds of years, we probably won't be around to see how it all ends, as it won't end with Israel. Too much fighting elsewhere in the world for it to end with Israel. Yes Israel might get another peace treaty. But for how long before it all starts up yet again. Throw in Iran, Jordan, Turkey, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq to name just a few and these wars will go on till mankind all die off or some society finally figures out how to put a stop to all the madness once and for all. personally at this point in time I for one am not hopeful for mankind. It seems like the smarter we become, the more likely we are to all die.