I cant believe this fucking shit

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Go to 15:30 mark. This guy has balls and can throw hands. He’s not intimidated No hesitation. No fear.

He's got balls. I give you that.

[Proximal]

I found this extremely odd from the ME report. Amazing, sizable cuts and abrasions on the face & the shoulders, but remarkably not so much of a scratch on the neck, when it is clear the neck is on the same pavement as the face and shoulders.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

Go to 15:30 mark. This guy has balls and can throw hands. He’s not intimidated No hesitation. No fear.

That’s the best thing I’ve seen since this started. He even hit the chick that popped him over the head with that pole

[Proximal]

That’s the best thing I’ve seen since this started. He even hit the chick that popped him over the head with that pole

That is one ballsy dude! The fat-ass chick and the old lurch looking dude are hilarious.

[Capebuffalo]

Damn. He was a walking drug store.

[C27H40O3]

Guys....

Not saying pro cop or not pro cop...
Not saying black or white or green...

It is very easy to choke someone out.
We see it all the time in MMA.

I took BJJ for all of maybe 5 months and saw how little pressure is needed to be applied to choke someone out.
Their neck doesn't bruise. They suffer no permanent damage as long as you release.

So reading the above, no permanent damage as long as you release, since the cop clearly didnt release for the nine minutes you quoted, then there should be permanent damage shown to the neck.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

So reading the above, no permanent damage as long as you release, since the cop clearly didnt release for the nine minutes you quoted, then there should be permanent damage shown to the neck.

no... not my intent.... and I am by no means a medical expert....

I meant no permanent damage as in death.

George Floyd did suffer permanent damage. He died.

And the police kept restraining him for another two and a half minutes after he died.
He obviously couldn't have been resisting anymore since he was dead.

It obviously is abuse of power.

I will leave the murder charges up to the court system.

[C27H40O3]

He's got balls. I give you that.

shit. i wanna see the rest of that. he did great punching that bitch that assaulted him with the wooden bat. he should have gotten in a few more shots. the other side of the street should have come over and beat their scrawny asses into the next county. they were thugs, especially that fat bull dagger bitch.

[Proximal]

So reading the above, no permanent damage as long as you release, since the cop clearly didnt release for the nine minutes you quoted, then there should be permanent damage shown to the neck.

There is nothing that had to be crushed permanently because the pressure was laterally. The cartilage rings around the trachea are springy, the pharynx has no cartilage, they would not have had to incurred permanent damage. However, how can the face show bruising and lacerations & also the shoulders; but so much of a nick or cut on the left lateral neck? It’s not going to happen. That ME will be questioned about that on the witness stand and he better get practicing/searching for every unlikely reason that that would happen (hint: there are none). Oops, major blunder there.

[C27H40O3]

no... not my intent.... and I am by no means a medical expert....

I meant no permanent damage as in death.

George Floyd did suffer permanent damage. He died.

coorelation does not imply causation. you can not make that unsupported leap of logic

And the police kept restraining him for another two and a half minutes after he died.
He obviously couldn't have been resisting anymore since he was dead.

It obviously is abuse of power.

I will leave the murder charges up to the court system.

unconsciousness does not equal death.

and if he was dead, what is your medical background, or experience with autopsies, that you can rule out the heart attack as the cause of death pointed to in the autopsy?

ANd just as with using ligatures that remain on after death, once the circulatory system stops working (upon death), whatever significant pressure that would remain on an area leaves evidence, since there is no blood pressure to push the skin and flesh back away from point of compression. they found none on the body.

Like a junkie that dies from an OD with his arm still tied off, when their friends take off the turniquit to cover up the drug use, it is still evident from the skin depressions where the pressure remained after death.

if there was significant pressure, enough to cause death, and it was applied for several minutes after death, as suggested, it would leave evidence in the surrounding tissue and structures.

[Proximal]

coorelation does not imply causation. you can not make that unsupported leap of logic




unconsciousness does not equal death.

and if he was dead, what is your medical background, or experience with autopsies, that you can rule out the heart attack as the cause of death pointed to in the autopsy?

ANd just as with using ligatures that remain on after death, once the circulatory system stops working (upon death), whatever significant pressure that would remain on an area leaves evidence, since there is no blood pressure to push the skin and flesh back away from point of compression. they found none on the body.

Like a junkie that dies from an OD with his arm still tied off, when their friends take off the turniquit to cover up the drug use, it is still evident from the skin depressions where the pressure remained after death.

if there was significant pressure, enough to cause death, and it was applied for several minutes after death, as suggested, it would leave evidence in the surrounding tissue and structures.

There was no indication of a heart attack in the autopsy, only factors that could contribute to a heart attack.

Oh, btw, transcripts state that I graduated from a medical school.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

coorelation does not imply causation. you can not make that unsupported leap of logic




unconsciousness does not equal death.

and if he was dead, what is your medical background, or experience with autopsies, that you can rule out the heart attack as the cause of death pointed to in the autopsy?

ANd just as with using ligatures that remain on after death, once the circulatory system stops working (upon death), whatever significant pressure that would remain on an area leaves evidence, since there is no blood pressure to push the skin and flesh back away from point of compression. they found none on the body.

Like a junkie that dies from an OD with his arm still tied off, when their friends take off the turniquit to cover up the drug use, it is still evident from the skin depressions where the pressure remained after death.

if there was significant pressure, enough to cause death, and it was applied for several minutes after death, as suggested, it would leave evidence in the surrounding tissue and structures.

Read my post with a clear mind.....

I clearly stated I would leave the murder charges up to the system.

Also, you mention significant pressure.... You do not need to apply significant pressure to choke someone out.
Have you ever been choked out?
Have you ever choked someone out?

We used to do it as teenagers for fun.
It is easy.

If you don't believe you can choke someone out without significant pressure then please say so.

As far as the turniquit example goes....
I would guess it depends on how long the turniquit is left on and also how tightly it was on.

As I stated, I have no medical background so I will leave the murder charges to the jury.

But I do believe it was a clear abuse of power.
They kept restraining him for 2 and a half minutes after he lost consciousness.

[C27H40O3]

Read my post with a clear mind.....

I clearly stated I would love the murder charges up to the system.

Also, you mention significant pressure.... You do not need to apply significant pressure to choke someone out.
Have you ever been choked out?
Have you ever choked someone out?

We used to do it as teenagers for fun.
It is easy.

If you don't believe you can choke someone out without significant pressure then please say so.

As far as the turniquit example goes....
I would guess it depends on how long the turniquit is left on and also how tightly it was on.

As I stated, I have no medical background so I will leave the murder charges to the jury.

Unfortunately, i was in a domestic violence prone relationship with a crazy puerto rican chick who loved to get violent with me to try to get me in trouble. that carotid restraint was my "finishing move" on several occasions to enable me to get away from the house without there being any more violence suffered at her hands. There was coke involved, coupled with a violent temper and bi-polar behaviour, all on her part.

I am fully aware regarding how to do it properly, and how useful of a hold it is.

Thankfully, i learned alot from those years regarding choosing women wisely, including staying away from chicks who come up to you in a bar and start licking your tattoos.

It's always the crazy ones who make you lose your mind at first.

When i saw a scene in Ozark that really hit home, when the opium grower was describing the relationship with his old lady. "what do you do Marty, when the bride who took your breath away becomes the wife who makes you hold your breath in terror?"

What do you do, Dead dog, when that crazy 15 years younger than you puerto rican chick, who you met at the salsa club, who takes your breath away becomes the live-in old lady who makes you put her in a sleeper hold just so you can get out of the house before she kills you?

[Proximal]

Heart Attack autopsy reports from AHA. There was only mention of CAD not of any necrosis. No necrosis, no heart attack.

[Capebuffalo]

Read my post with a clear mind.....

I clearly stated I would love the murder charges up to the system.

Also, you mention significant pressure.... You do not need to apply significant pressure to choke someone out.
Have you ever been choked out?
Have you ever choked someone out?

We used to do it as teenagers for fun.
It is easy.

If you don't believe you can choke someone out without significant pressure then please say so.

As far as the turniquit example goes....
I would guess it depends on how long the turniquit is left on and also how tightly it was on.

As I stated, I have no medical background so I will leave the murder charges to the jury.

But I do believe it was a clear abuse of power.
They kept restraining him for 2 and a half minutes after he lost consciousness.

I had to put a rear naked choke on a 250lbs football player once. I was able to finally take his back and lock it in. It’s an amazingly efficient move. Less than 10 secs he went limp and we fell to the ground. I thought he was just trying to shake me and went tighter not knowing he was out. They got me off him and rolled him over on his back. They started rubbing the back of his neck and raised his legs. I thought I’d killed him. He finally started coming around coughing grasping for breath reaching out. He had to sit there for a while the. We escorted him out. It doesn’t take much pressure.

[Cuz]

I had to put a rear naked choke on a 250lbs football player once. I was able to finally take his back and lock it in. It’s an amazingly efficient move. Less than 10 secs he went limp and we fell to the ground. I thought he was just trying to shake me and went tighter not knowing he was out. They got me off him and rolled him over on his back. They started rubbing the back of his neck and raised his legs. I thought I’d killed him. He finally started coming around coughing grasping for breath reaching out. He had to sit there for a while the. We escorted him out. It doesn’t take much pressure.

I have a similar story ill never forget lol. Similar situation i was in reserve training police academy. We were practicing handcuffing guys while on the ground. I was paired up with a cocky ex marine i was 22 at the time and pretty good size myself i had two cycles under my belt and 3 years training. So as we proceed im on top of this guy and for some reason he resists the arrest I mean just for the fuck of it . No idea why. So this dumbass actually tries to get away from me and make me look like a fucking idiot in front of everyone. I ended up with side control and actually rolled him over on top of me after i had took his back i sunk the hooks in and i mean with everything i had. I was benching about 335 at the time so anyway he taps in like 10 seconds. I hear the instructor say “alright he’s tappin” so i let him go. Guy wouldn’t even look at me after words lmao. Thats not the first time ive choked someone and probably wont be the last. While this was just basically a drill and I wasn’t trying to kill the man he knew not to fuck with me anymore. Im always always alert of my surroundings whenever i go anywhere you have to be nowadays.

[Cuz]

Read my post with a clear mind.....

I clearly stated I would love the murder charges up to the system.

Also, you mention significant pressure.... You do not need to apply significant pressure to choke someone out.
Have you ever been choked out?
Have you ever choked someone out?

We used to do it as teenagers for fun.
It is easy.

If you don't believe you can choke someone out without significant pressure then please say so.

As far as the turniquit example goes....
I would guess it depends on how long the turniquit is left on and also how tightly it was on.

As I stated, I have no medical background so I will leave the murder charges to the jury.

But I do believe it was a clear abuse of power.
They kept restraining him for 2 and a half minutes after he lost consciousness.

Most definitely a very bad call on the officers part and its cost them. I think everyone can agree it was pretty damn dumb with three cops on a man that had no weapons and was already neutralized in cuffs.

[Capebuffalo]

I have a similar story ill never forget lol. Similar situation i was in reserve training police academy. We were practicing handcuffing guys while on the ground. I was paired up with a cocky ex marine i was 22 at the time and pretty good size myself i had two cycles under my belt and 3 years training. So as we proceed im on top of this guy and for some reason he resists the arrest I mean just for the fuck of it . No idea why. So this dumbass actually tries to get away from me and make me look like a fucking idiot in front of everyone. I ended up with side control and actually rolled him over on top of me after i had took his back i sunk the hooks in and i mean with everything i had. I was benching about 335 at the time so anyway he taps in like 10 seconds. I hear the instructor say “alright he’s tappin” so i let him go. Guy wouldn’t even look at me after words lmao. Thats not the first time ive choked someone and probably wont be the last. While this was just basically a drill and I wasn’t trying to kill the man he knew not to fuck with me anymore. Im always always alert of my surroundings whenever i go anywhere you have to be nowadays.

Play stupid games. Win stupid prizes. What an ass. You should have put him out.

[Cuz]

Go to 15:30 mark. This guy has balls and can throw hands. He’s not intimidated No hesitation. No fear.

I watched it all. Dude stood his ground. Got my respect. But the shitbags he was trying to interview sure dont

[GearHeaded]

I have a similar story ill never forget lol. Similar situation i was in reserve training police academy. We were practicing handcuffing guys while on the ground. I was paired up with a cocky ex marine i was 22 at the time and pretty good size myself i had two cycles under my belt and 3 years training. So as we proceed im on top of this guy and for some reason he resists the arrest I mean just for the fuck of it . No idea why. So this dumbass actually tries to get away from me and make me look like a fucking idiot in front of everyone. I ended up with side control and actually rolled him over on top of me after i had took his back i sunk the hooks in and i mean with everything i had. I was benching about 335 at the time so anyway he taps in like 10 seconds. I hear the instructor say “alright he’s tappin” so i let him go. Guy wouldn’t even look at me after words lmao. Thats not the first time ive choked someone and probably wont be the last. While this was just basically a drill and I wasn’t trying to kill the man he knew not to fuck with me anymore. Im always always alert of my surroundings whenever i go anywhere you have to be nowadays.

enjoy seeing how real and bad ass this forum has become.. yeah sure I'm pretty darn good with AAS etc.. but just real life stuff like this is actually more interesting

[C27H40O3]

Great new Chris Hedges video. Give it a few minutes. They even show one of those strategically placed pallets of bricks mentioned earlier.

[C27H40O3]

I watched it all. Dude stood his ground. Got my respect. But the shitbags he was trying to interview sure dont

I concur.

[Cuz]

enjoy seeing how real and bad ass this forum has become.. yeah sure I'm pretty darn good with AAS etc.. but just real life stuff like this is actually more interesting

Thats why I like the lounge so much

[Proximal]

All i know is, or I THINK i know is that a black man died in police custody. Protestors hit the streets, protests turn extremely violent. Cities burned, innocent people were beaten even killed and their businesses were were destroyed.

As of today, in my surrounding areas there is reports of threats coming in to protest and remove confederate monuments. Will they turn violent? I dont know? But I guarantee you i will defend my property if it come to that and that is originally what my post is about.This domestic terrorism. We cant let that happen guys. REAL Americans like us cant let that happen.

Cuz, what’s your neighbors takes on the monuments? Is all of the pressure to remove them from outside?

Having them removed is such crap.

[Capebuffalo]

enjoy seeing how real and bad ass this forum has become.. yeah sure I'm pretty darn good with AAS etc.. but just real life stuff like this is actually more interesting

Pretty Simple. Basic Dude Stuff

[Cuz]

Cuz, what’s your neighbors takes on the monuments? Is all of the pressure to remove them from outside?

Having them removed is such crap.

I think its a half and half thing. I dont think its right to let someone come in and remove a memorial whether confederate or not just because “they want it gone” i mean shit i wanna lot of shit gone but the way to handle this is let there be a vote if they wanna leave it up to the citizens. I got word the sheriff said it wasnt coming down so we’ll see. I didnt even know the damn thing was at the courthouse i never paid any attention

[Proximal]

I think its a half and half thing. I dont think its right to let someone come in and remove a memorial whether confederate or not just because “they want it gone” i mean shit i wanna lot of shit gone but the way to handle this is let there be a vote if they wanna leave it up to the citizens. I got word the sheriff said it wasnt coming down so we’ll see. I didnt even know the damn thing was at the courthouse i never paid any attention

That really sucks if it’s removed. Hope the protests don’t get close to your home. Out here, they seem to be calming down.

Glad when things get back to normalcy.

[C27H40O3]

It’s not too far fetched to think the ME gave a more “favorable” report to support the police, essentially trying to take care of their own.

One of their own? He is not one of their own. The ME’s office is not part of the police department. And nobody in that city is taking care of any of them, not the police chief, not the mayor, not the DA.

Why the hell would a lowly ME go against the whole administration, which basically disowned the cops and fed them to the wolves, in some misguided attempt to cover for them? The whole government sacrificed them.

Thinking the ME would try to give them the hook up, in the face of the absolutely universal hanging out to dry that the cops are getting is absurd.


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[Capebuffalo]

[Proximal]

One of their own? He is not one of their own. The ME’s office is not part of the police department. And nobody in that city is taking care of any of them, not the police chief, not the mayor, not the DA.

Why the hell would a lowly ME go against the whole administration, which basically disowned the cops and fed them to the wolves, in some misguided attempt to cover for them? The whole government sacrificed them.


Thinking the ME would try to give them the hook up, in the face of the absolutely universal hanging out to dry that the cops are getting is absurd.


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They are not “hung out to dry”. They called it cardiopulmonary arrest. In essence they didn’t “really” lie. The fact that they passed over any neck injury, just might bite them a bit.

Want to explain to me your logic on the dumb-ass cop taking weight off of his knee on the dude’s throat? Thrill me with your brilliance.

[Cuz]

Excellent post

[< <Samson> >]

And, this is how “our” media works

Not quite as directly controlled as in Russia, but it gets to the same point well

[C27H40O3]

They are not “hung out to dry”. They called it cardiopulmonary arrest. In essence they didn’t “really” lie. The fact that they passed over any neck injury, just might bite them a bit.

Want to explain to me your logic on the dumb-ass cop taking weight off of his knee on the dude’s throat? Thrill me with your brilliance.

They didnt "pass over any neck injury". They addressed the possible existence of a neck injury by saying that there were no life threatening injuried identified. Further stated that there were no injuries of anterior muscles of the neck, or laryngeal structures.

Why do you insist that there are injuries there that the examininmg pathologist, in probably the autopsy with the most public attention in a decade shined on it, didnt find?

Nothing brilliant, just common sense.

Try this at home. Do a full two knee kneel. Then start to lift your left knee off the floor to go to the bullshit half kneel that the football players do, but stop half way there.

That is how you can have alnost all of your weight on your right knee, but still have room under your non weight-bearing left knee to restrain someone who is prone. You dont need to have pressure on the left knee. it just has to be a physical obstruction to moving.

Like standing against a barricade on your right or left side waiting to get into a concert. the barricade is not applying any pressure to you, but it is restraining your movement.

[C27H40O3]

Pretty Simple. Basic Dude Stuff

Great video. Funny, yet true. Is that you?

[Capebuffalo]

Great video. Funny, yet true. Is that you?

No. Not me. But I know basic dude stuff.

[kelkel]

This guy had one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel.

That's a great line.

[Proximal]

They didnt "pass over any neck injury". They addressed the possible existence of a neck injury by saying that there were no life threatening injuried identified. Further stated that there were no injuries of anterior muscles of the neck, or laryngeal structures.

Why do you insist that there are injuries there that the examininmg pathologist, in probably the autopsy with the most public attention in a decade shined on it, didnt find?

Nothing brilliant, just common sense.

Try this at home. Do a full two knee kneel. Then start to lift your left knee off the floor to go to the bullshit half kneel that the football players do, but stop half way there.

That is how you can have alnost all of your weight on your right knee, but still have room under your non weight-bearing left knee to restrain someone who is prone. You dont need to have pressure on the left knee. it just has to be a physical obstruction to moving.

Like standing against a barricade on your right or left side waiting to get into a concert. the barricade is not applying any pressure to you, but it is restraining your movement.

Clearly you cannot read (the autopsy report or my prior posts) or I’m thinking now you’re just wasting my time, thus I’m moving on from the lack of neck injury crap. You’re not trained in medicine, anatomy, physiology, pathology, trauma; I get it. I am. I’m used to reading charts, operative reports, autopsies, medical literature - so I’ll give you a pass. After nearly 40 years now, it’s easy to pick up errors, an agenda or misdirection.

Regarding trying to kneel, dude I’m a PT. When you are treating neurological patients or head trauma patients, before they can walk you work with them in half-kneeling position, but before they graduate to that one, it’s kneeling position, but even before that, it’s hands and knees (that is, if they are capable).

You are trained to look for and place emphasis on different postural and balance responses so that you know the patient is actually progressing and how to proceed with further treatments. Some of them are more noticeable, some are rather subtle. It takes time, as well as knowing all of the background academia that goes into what the patient is or is not doing.

Watching him in the video, it was as easy and predictable as watching the old comic routine of stepping on a rake and having the handle hit them in the face. The dude was putting a lot more weight on the neck. There are also things that you won’t pick up on how the victims body is or isn’t moving during the struggle. You need a lot of training in anatomy and biomechanics for that one, and once again to me, it as clear as day.

Look, I’m not tryin to prove anything to anyone here. Now, I teach this stuff and have for 20 years. It’s literally, my life’s work. I am never sloppy with that work, I am detail oriented and essentially take great pride in doing that work exceedingly well. This one is as clear as day and it makes me upset. Not so much of someone getting killed (I am not unsympathetic to that), but the further the tens and thousands of good and descent police now have to face so much bs, over the astronomically idiotic action of those four police officers.

[C27H40O3]

If you say you see something that I dont because of your experience, then I defer to you.

But if you are not a trained pathologist, with the experience of doing who knows how many autopsies, you cant just declare that he missed something, and suggest that he was trying to give the cops a pass. there is no basis for that position.

The private pathologist is hopelessly biased, insofar as there will be a multimillion dollar lawsuit over this case, and he will be in a position to give testimony which will be among the most relied upon by any jury considering culpability and damages, and the motive is the money involved. He only gets hired because he always claims that the original autopsy was wrong or incomplete.

Ambulance chasing lawyers send their auto injury lawsuit clients to their favorite doctors to be examined, because they can be counted on to find the client to be terribly injured. If the doctor wasnt known for that, he wouldnt be getting hired by the guys suing. The insurance company lawyers always send you to one of their doctors, who they pay nicely for their report that you are without injury. Families suing the city for wrongful death always hire a private pathologist who can be counted on to come up with something that points to wrongful death. Thats what money does to the system.

In the Floyd case, the ME would be the odd man out if he was trying to help out the cops. Everyone else in government has ensured that the fix is in, and the cops are villified and demonized. That is the unofficial, yet obvious, government position on them. Arresting the whole squad to satisfy the cry for their heads on a pike from a bloodthirsty mob. They tried that with the Freddy Gray cops in Baltimore. Look what happened there in a rush to charge everybody. The DA lost in disgrace. Justice prevailed in the end.

What do you suggest is the ME's motive to overlook and disregard an injury, which according to you should be so glaring and obvious? Why would he not document what you believe is plainly there?

[Proximal]

I’ve stated my piece. I apologize if I came across as bragging about my credentials, but in short, I know a biased medical report, medical documentation or piece of medical literature when I see one and know the circumstances.

I could give a crap about the other autopsy personally, as they were hired by the family.

Regrettably there cannot be another, more independent autopsy.

Thankfully, the video footage speaks for itself.

I am looking forward to the trial and hope that it’s on television. The legal maneuvering should be very interesting to watch. Regrettably though it’s over a death that honestly should have been easily avoided imo.

To repeat once again, I favorably sided with police on Rodney King and Eric Garner, so I don’t feel I have a bias here.

Thank you for the respectful debate, sincerely.

[C27H40O3]

In my opinion, his constricted blood flow capability, the left ventricular hypertrophy showed that his heart had to work extra hard, The doctor showed that it was enlarged for both his weight and size, and you know that it can get enlarged from having to work extra hard. it had massave blockages.

He has severe arteriosclarotic heart disease, hypertensive heart disease, fentynl, methamphetamine, and morphine in his blood. All those three drugs are hard on a good heart, more so on a weak one.

The hyoid bone was intact, wouldnt a severe trauma to neck, such a mans weight crushing it for an extended period of time, cause a fracture? I dont know, you are the anatomy expert. I will ask you.

Additionally, there was no hemmorage of the cervical spinal column. Would there be evidence of that if there was trauma as suggested?

Since there was congestion and edema of the pulmonary parenchyma, which is responsible for the exchange of O2 and CO2 from the air we breathe in, it should be clear that getting good amounts O2 into his blood was a struggle, on a good day.

THe right coronary artery supplies blood to the lungs. Note the 90% narrowing at the begining part there.

The left ventricle section of the heart was enlarged, as demonstrated by the boxcar shaped nuclei of the cells, that the doctor found. This makes the heart work much harder.

When all these issues are taken into consideration, it should be clear that Floyd was overdue for some type of heart stopping episode, even without exerting himself by struggling needlessly with the cops.

He brought the whole thing upon himself. He should have complied with directions to get into the backseat of the car, instead of struggling. you can hear his friend screaming at him on the tape to just get into the car. He said "Bro, Get up and get in the car right. I told you, you cant win, ive been watching the whole thing. Get up and get in the car right. I told you, but You didnt listen."

Thats an eyewitness that demonstrates with his dialog that Floyd fuckin around and was needlessly struggling with the cops.