Bridging the divide

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I think the one thing that most Americans can agree on is...
America is the most divided it's been since at least the Civil Rights movement.

Curious if anyone thinks we can restore the union.
Curious if anyone has any ideas that would help.

I personally think that we should have an investigation into the election.
I don't think it will do any good but it needs to be done.

[< <Samson> >]

I don't think so


I've watched the states evolve over the decades - it's not as bad as it seems to some - IMO

[almostgone]

I think the one thing that most Americans can agree on is...
America is the most divided it's been since at least the Civil Rights movement.

Curious if anyone thinks we can restore the union.
Curious if anyone has any ideas that would help.

I personally think that we should have an investigation into the election.
I don't think it will do any good but it needs to be done.

I do think we can bridge the gap, DD. Honestly, I agree with you. An accurate, transparent election review and establish uniform voting laws for the states.
Restore some confidence in our system so that like it or lump it, people have confidence in our voting process. Also, examine states like Florida and others than provided prompt results and learn from them.

Just my random thoughts. Also, by investigation, I don't just mean a recount, but instead an actual audit of the ballots cast, signature verification, etc

Just want to addthat we need to be tough on China. China will steal our work in a heartbeat.

[Hughinn]

I don't think so


I've watched the states evolve over the decades - it's not as bad as it seems to some - IMO

I agree on one hand. But on the other, if half the nation believes the election was rigged, proving, or investigating the details publicly and openly would certainly quell alot of animosity.

I agree with DD on this.

Smart leaders would recognize that fact. And launch a completely transparent and thorough investigation.

I disagree with DD in the sense that if it was done, and done in the open, and whatever results were legitimate and fair and undeniably documented, then nobody could reasonably object.

Smart leaders would know this.
Just and fair leaders wouldn't fear or reject truth or inquiries.

We have neither honest, fair, smart, nor just leaders. And therefore we have a problem

[Test Monsterone]

We don’t need an investigation of the ballot counting process or to recount ballots, we need an investigation into the dealings of the most corrupt president to ever reside in the White House and a psychological evaluation into how so many people can be fooled so easily into believing lies.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I do think we can bridge the gap, DD. Honestly, I agree with you. An accurate, transparent election review and establish uniform voting laws for the states. Never going to happen. see #1 below
Restore some confidence in our system so that like it or lump it, people have confidence in our voting process. Agreed. Also, examine states like Florida and others than provided prompt results and learn from them. see #2 below

Just my random thoughts. Also, by investigation, I don't just mean a recount, but instead an actual audit of the ballots cast, signature verification, etc

Just want to addthat we need to be tough on China. China will steal our work in a heartbeat.

#1 the constitution leaves it up to each individual state to run their elections

The Elections Clause is the primary source of constitutional authority to regulate elections for the U.S. House of Representatives and U.S. Senate. The Clause directs and empowers states to determine the “Times, Places, and Manner” of congressional elections, subject to Congress’s authority to “make or alter” state regulations. It grants each level of government the authority to enact a complete code for such elections, including rules concerning public notices, voter registration, voter protection, fraud prevention, vote counting, and determination of election results. Whenever a state enacts a law relating to a congressional election, it is exercising power under the Elections Clause; states do not have any inherent authority to enact such measures.

https://constitutioncenter.org/inter...-i/clauses/750

#2 Florida counted the mail in ballots early, hence the early blue wave... Other states like PA didn't count the mail in ballots until the polls closed, hence the late blue surge or wave.

[wango]

Yes, we can bring the country back together with extra effort and empathy for others who feel that they are not given equal opportunity. Saying that one doesn’t see colors is fine and good. However, I feel that one should, and realize that if they see a color other than white, at times extra consideration and kindness should be extended simply because of that color. I’ve seen that work and firmly believe by it.

At least that’s a small step in helping the racial divide, which is of course is only part of our problems.

[almostgone]

#1 the constitution leaves it up to each individual state to run their elections

The Elections Clause is the primary source of constitutional authority to regulate elections for the U.S. House of Representatives and U.S. Senate. The Clause directs and empowers states to determine the “Times, Places, and Manner” of congressional elections, subject to Congress’s authority to “make or alter” state regulations. It grants each level of government the authority to enact a complete code for such elections, including rules concerning public notices, voter registration, voter protection, fraud prevention, vote counting, and determination of election results. Whenever a state enacts a law relating to a congressional election, it is exercising power under the Elections Clause; states do not have any inherent authority to enact such measures.

https://constitutioncenter.org/inter...-i/clauses/750

#2 Florida counted the mail in ballots early, hence the early blue wave... Other states like PA didn't count the mail in ballots until the polls closed, hence the late blue surge or wave.

I understand your point regarding article 1 section 4, but honestly how does it read to you. Isn't there a provision for Congress to get involved? Notice I stated it would require uniform standards, which below it reads to me that Congress may at anytime by law make or alter said regulations

Section 4
Clause 1
The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

^^^^^
https://constitution.congress.gov/br...e-1/section-4/



https://constitution.congress.gov/br...ALDE_00001037/

I'm not trying cherry pick my references from the .gov sites but address them one discussion point at a time. Also, I'm a slow reader. I read something, ask myself what questions do I have, and then read again. It just reads to me like there is a provision for uniform Congressional election laws

I know there has been discussion among Congressional law professors and gurus about the same thing we're discussing.

[almostgone]

DD, I'll try to drop back in later. Just got in from work and I believe the wife may have done some damage to her ankle and wrist. She stepped into a stump hole, rolled her ankle and I'm afraid she's sprained the crap out of her wrist. En route to urgent care now, but I'll check try to back in later tonight or tomorrow a.m.

[almostgone]

Ok, we're settled in. It just hit me you may have been referring to the presidential election, not the Congressional elections. I still had the Georgia elections fresh in my mind. Therefore, I may be answering what you're referring to?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Ok, we're settled in. It just hit me you may have been referring to the presidential election, not the Congressional elections. I still had the Georgia elections fresh in my mind. Therefore, I may be giving you the correct answer to a different question.

Was simply saying that the states handle their elections differently, including the presidential election. The constitution tells them to handle it how they see fit.

Therefore the chances of 50 states agreeing to the exact same voting procedures is a moonshot.

It is why the Texas lawsuit against Pennsylvania's election had no shot. Texas can't tell Pennsylvania how to handle its own election.

[wango]

Well, we could let the lawyers do their job before making false election claims and continue to do so. That’s another step to bridging the divide.

Have they found anything yet? If not, why keep returning to the election to prove its legitimacy?

When they do, then let them guide us as to our next steps, until then just move on and stop obsessing over something that just isn’t there.

[Test Monsterone]

I can’t go to the police and tell them my neighbor killed someone. Who? I don’t know. Why? I don’t know. Evidence? I don’t have any.

...and expect my neighbor to have to prove his innocence... that’s not how things work.

[wango]

I can’t go to the police and tell them my neighbor killed someone. Who? I don’t know. Why? I don’t know. Evidence? I don’t have any.

...and expect my neighbor to have to prove his innocence... that’s not how things work.

In Trump-world I guess that’s how it does work. Unfortunately, there will never be enough substantial proof to the trumpians that their world is a fallacy. Why even try?

[almostgone]

Was simply saying that the states handle their elections differently, including the presidential election. The constitution tells them to handle it how they see fit.

Therefore the chances of 50 states agreeing to the exact same voting procedures is a moonshot.

It is why the Texas lawsuit against Pennsylvania's election had no shot. Texas can't tell Pennsylvania how to handle its own election.

That's why I provided the links I posted. It looks like there is a pathway, at least in the Congressional elections, for there to be a uniform standards.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

That's why I provided the links I posted. It looks like there is a pathway, at least in the Congressional elections, for there to be a uniform standards.

Didn't read them when I posted my reply.
Was at costco buying 14lbs of NY shell steak. Only $6/lb this week!!

Just looked... they are .gov sites and I am drinking Vodka. Never gonna make sense of that shit tonight.

[Test Monsterone]

That's why I provided the links I posted. It looks like there is a pathway, at least in the Congressional elections, for there to be a uniform standards.

Isn't that SOCIALISM ;;;---)))) ??

Jk man, but you know if they tried to make it uniform that would be an issue with Republicans. I think some aspects of the vote collecting and counting process could be made uniform, but some could not. Different population sizes, number of voting places, etc. dictate many of these differences. The way mail-in voting was prevalent in major cities while in-person was more prevalent in less populated areas. Now as far as the technology and process of counting votes, there may be more efficient and accurate ways than others. Overall, it doesn't matter, because the system wasn't broken before and it isn't broken now. The votes were counted and they were accurate.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I'll bite.

Count the mail-in ballots when they come in not after.
Don't release any results until all polls are closed.

You can't let one side know it is winning or losing by counting early votes.


Also... after we are all chipped from the vaccine... we should all be able to vote from our phones.
easy peasy.


But seriously...
I am all about getting as many people to vote as possible. We are a democracy.
I am pro mail-in votes.
The poor may not be able to take off from work to vote.
The poor may not be able to drive 50 miles to vote. (That is a shout out to Texas.)

We should do everything possible to tighten security and verification.
But do understand that how I sign my name today may differ from how I signed my name one year ago.


Also seriously...
I would be willing to bet that in 10 years we will all be voting from our phones.

[almostgone]

I'll bite.

Count the mail-in ballots when they come in not after.
Don't release any results until all polls are closed.

You can't let one side know it is winning or losing by counting early votes.


Also... after we are all chipped from the vaccine... we should all be able to vote from our phones.
easy peasy.


But seriously...
I am all about getting as many people to vote as possible. We are a democracy.
I am pro mail-in votes.
The poor may not be able to take off from work to vote.
The poor may not be able to drive 50 miles to vote. (That is a shout out to Texas.)

We should do everything possible to tighten security and verification.
But do understand that how I sign my name today may differ from how I signed my name one year ago.


Also seriously...
I would be willing to bet that in 10 years we will all be voting from our phones.

In bold above. I get a vaccine with my chip?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

In bold above. I get a vaccine with my chip?

seriously made me crack up.

in tears...

[< <Samson> >]

How about finding out who actually created the Corona

People always worry about what’s presented to them -


We’re the news, we do t make shit up - that’s the government’s job


We live during the time of peak civilization & deepest corruption

[Hughinn]

How about finding out who actually created the Corona

People always worry about what’s presented to them -


We’re the news, we do t make shit up - that’s the government’s job


We live during the time of peak civilization & deepest corruption

That's the problem. Most of the news, with the exception of one or two outlets is basically democrat party propaganda.

No sources are fair and without bias.

Add that to most people not thinking for themselves and you've got a problem.

A good example is in the last thread a member parroted cnn/DNC propoganda that somehow Trump "covered up covid" the stupidity of that statement is astounding in the sense that the speaker of the house, third in line to the president by law gets the same security briefing as the president on all matters other than foreign policy. It's literally impossible that he knew something factual that they didn't. Not to mention the WHO which by the way, was actually caught lying and "covering up covid" was the same source across the world for information. And when Trump called them out for lying and refunded them ' orange man bad' propoganda once again went nonstop around the clock.

But it doesn't stop ignorant people from believing it, and promoting the narrative of stupidity and deception.

This is literally the ruling class taking power from the people by using their own stupidity against them.

They're like children, and the parents made Trump the boogeyman. Baseless fear and loathing due to nonstop propoganda. Basically scary stories to keep them in line.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

A good example is in the last thread a member parroted cnn/DNC propoganda that somehow Trump "covered up covid"

Stop it with the lies.
Trump is on tape admitting he downplayed Covid.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/09/91117...g-the-pandemic

[< <Samson> >]

He didn’t downplay anything - the guy seriously didn’t know better. . . I’d do the same exact thing

He’s as much of a politician as I am - maybe, less


Now, hmmm - who made tho corona & why? Makes no sense at all - election year, country ran by a guy that graduated from Trump U

I don’t get it

Lmao

[The Deadlifting Dog]

"You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed," Trump told Woodward in a Feb. 7 phone call, according to an audio clip posted on the The Washington Post's website. "This is deadly stuff," he said.

At the same time, the president was publicly telling Americans that the new virus was no worse than the seasonal flu, that the government had it under control and predicting that it would soon disappear.

In another interview with Woodward a month later, Trump acknowledged that he was trying to downplay the threat.

"I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down because I don't want to create a panic," Trump said in a March 19 call with Woodward.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/morning...fires-n1239735

[Hughinn]

He didn’t downplay anything - the guy seriously didn’t know better. . . I’d do the same exact thing

He’s as much of a politician as I am - maybe, less


Now, hmmm - who made tho corona & why? Makes no sense at all - election year, country ran by a guy that graduated from Trump U

I don’t get it

Lmao

You say that with snide sarcasm. But the truth is that nobody really knew much in the beginning.

Nancy pelosi downplayed it as well.

More than likely everyone went on the best information they had at the time, that was changing daily.

But it doesn't stop fools from parroting bullshit

[Hughinn]

"You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed," Trump told Woodward in a Feb. 7 phone call, according to an audio clip posted on the The Washington Post's website. "This is deadly stuff," he said.

At the same time, the president was publicly telling Americans that the new virus was no worse than the seasonal flu, that the government had it under control and predicting that it would soon disappear.

In another interview with Woodward a month later, Trump acknowledged that he was trying to downplay the threat.

"I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down because I don't want to create a panic," Trump said in a March 19 call with Woodward.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/morning...fires-n1239735

What's wrong with not wanting to spread panic over a flu with a 99.98% survival rate?

WTF would you have him do? Howl for panic and chaos?

What else could any of them do, except go on the best and latest information they have?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

What's wrong with not wanting to spread panic over a flu with a 99.98% survival rate?

WTF would have him do?

Don't change the topic.
You said he didn't downplay it.
I provide proof he did.
So you are fucking dead wrong.

Now if you want to know what's wrong with lying to people about their health...
Obviously you are too blinded by your loyalty to your Supreme Leader to realize...

He should've been honest and let people decide on matters concerning their health.
Other countries did and there was no wide spread panic.
Instead the psychopath continued for 6 or 7 months downplaying masks, mocking people for wearing masks, and spreading conspiracy theories.

Perhaps you think it is OK for the Supreme Leader to lie to you about your health.
I don't.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

What's wrong with not wanting to spread panic over a flu with a 99.98% survival rate?

WTF would you have him do? Howl for panic and chaos?

What else could any of them do, except go on the best and latest information they have?

The mortality rate of people with covid is 1.7%.
Stop it with the fucking lies.

take you 99.98% and shove it up your ass.

The correct number is 98.3%.

Again you are dead fucking wrong.

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid

[Hughinn]

Don't change the topic.
You said he didn't downplay it.
I provide proof he did.
So you are fucking dead wrong.

Now if you want to know what's wrong with lying to people about their health...
Obviously you are too blinded by your loyalty to your Supreme Leader to realize...

He should've been honest and let people decide on matters concerning their health.
Other countries did and there was no wide spread panic.
Instead the psychopath continued for 6 or 7 months downplaying masks, mocking people for wearing masks, and spreading conspiracy theories.

Perhaps you think it is OK for the Supreme Leader to lie to you about your health.
I don't.

I'm just shrewd enough to understand that government or church or nothing else can stop a plague.

In all of human history a plague only ends one way: it makes its way through the population.
Government can't stop it.

The last thing any leader should do is spread panic.

Consequently, he did exactly what you suggested. Relayed the best and ever-changing information to the public.

There are experts in other countries that still say masks are pointless. Who knows?

Grow up brah

[Hughinn]

The mortality rate of people with covid is 1.7%.
Stop it with the fucking lies.

take you 99.98% and shove it up your ass.

The correct number is 98.3%.

Again you are dead fucking wrong.

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid

Most men have taken far worse chances on strange pussy.
So what?

It's not the bubonic plague

For healthy people the survival rate is 99.98%.

For the record, I had covid and it was just a bad cold.

Also for record, the Avi is me. 99% natty. One very mild test cycle is all I've ever done. 245lbs and 5-11. I recovered just fine, even being clinically obese.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I'm just shrewd enough to understand that government or church or nothing else can stop a plague.

In all of human history a plague only ends one way: it makes its way through the population.
Government can't stop it.

The last thing any leader should do is spread panic. Spreading information isn't spreading panic. Maybe someone like you would panic.

Consequently, he did exactly what you suggested. Relayed the best and ever-changing information to the public.

There are experts in other countries that still say masks are pointless. Who knows? Please show some evidence of there quacks.

Grow up brah

Keep drinking the cool-aid.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Most men have taken far worse chances on strange pussy.
So what?

It's not the bubonic plague

For healthy people the survival rate is 99.98%. Please provide some proof.

For the record, I had covid and it was just a bad cold. Happy you were fine. I know a 41yr old who died. Amongst others...

Also for record, the Avi is me. 99% natty. Congrats? You look good? One very mild test cycle is all I've ever done. 245lbs and 5-11. I recovered just fine, even being clinically obese.

You are entitled to feel what you want.

Just don't post lies.

[< <Samson> >]

And, we still can’t agree on anything


Shit, I got to live in ICU for a week or so during the worst time, back in June

Whatever


The only thing I learned last year is that as humans we cause way more harm than good

Man made virus to disrupt an election & start another round of population control

And, the orange clown is to blame? Lol

I never liked the guy in any shape way or form - but, to pin this on him -

Again, whatever

GL to us all

[The Deadlifting Dog]

And, we still can’t agree on anything


Shit, I got to live in ICU for a week or so during the worst time, back in June

Whatever


The only thing I learned last year is that as humans we cause way more harm than good

Man made virus to disrupt an election & start another round of population control

And, the orange clown is to blame? Lol

I never liked the guy in any shape way or form - but, to pin this on him -

Again, whatever

GL to us all

I simply said that he is on tape admitting he downplayed it.
Listen to the tape.

You said he didn't downplay it.
I provided proof that he admits he downplayed and continued to downplay it.

You may agree with him downplaying it.
You are free to feel that way.
However don't claim he didn't downplay it when he admitted it.

What am I missing here?

[Hughinn]

You are entitled to feel what you want.

Just don't post lies.

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1327

Considering covid seems to have cured every other disease in america, and nobody dies of anything else anymore, the numbers are likely far lower than the 0.6% specified here as an overall average.

Although it's a certainty that since joe biden is going to be president the covid deaths will miraculously decline as if by magic. Or at least, the propoganda networks will stop talking about it.

The other certainty is that with the biden administration and the status quo reinstated, we can get back to building up the middle east, instead of the Midwest. We can stop sending american manufacturerd good to china and go back to shipping them our jobs, so we can get more cheap Chinese plastic shit that unemployed people can afford.

But hey, covid will disappear right?
Congratulations

[Test Monsterone]

Man made virus to disrupt an election & start another round of population control

And, the orange clown is to blame? Lol


GL to us all

You're kidding, right? If it was created to disrupt the election, then why did it start in China and why has the rest of the world had to suffer? This is not about population control man. There is no conspiracy.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1327

Considering covid seems to have cured every other disease in america, and nobody dies of anything else anymore, the numbers are likely far lower than the 0.6% specified here as an overall average. The study is from April 2020. We have far more accurate data now. Nice try though.

Although it's a certainty that since joe biden is going to be president the covid deaths will miraculously decline as if by magic. Or at least, the propoganda networks will stop talking about it. You are being insensitive and thoughtless. We are averaging 3177 deaths a day. that is the highest 7 day average yet. So no... deaths are increasing. You are wrong again. https://covidtracking.com/data/charts/us-daily-deaths

The other certainty is that with the biden administration and the status quo reinstated, we can get back to building up the middle east, instead of the Midwest. We can stop sending american manufacturerd good to china and go back to shipping them our jobs, so we can get more cheap Chinese plastic shit that unemployed people can afford. The trade deficit with China expanded under Trump. It is worse now then when he came into power. Once again you are wrong. https://tradingeconomics.com/china/balance-of-trade

But hey, covid will disappear right?
Congratulations

You are free to think what you want.
Please stop telling lies.

[Hughinn]

You are free to think what you want.
Please stop telling lies.

None if it's lies, and I've already told you I can say whatever the hell I want. Not you, or anyone else is capable of stopping me.

Besides, you're the guy here calling everything you don't like to hear "alt right propoganda" and "lies". You discount the beetle guys argument not based on it's merit, but because you think he's a racist or supremest.

And yet, you support the real racists and supremests.

You're a miserable hypocrite. So stop telling me what I can or can't say. I'll do what I want.

[Test Monsterone]

Supremest is not a word you degenerate fat ass. The problem with you is that you're as stupid as you are delusional.