Mental health awareness won’t stop shootings

[Test Monsterone]

Neither will anti-bullying campaigns, nor counseling, fighting poverty, gun safety education, etc. If a crazy son of a bitch wants to shoot up a school, he’s gonna do it.

If we’re not gonna ban civilian gun ownership, how about we make guns really expensive? Make a simple handgun cost at least $5,000. If you want a rifle, make it cost 10k or more and require an annual permit fee to own that rifle.

Guns should also be accounted for. This means that any buying or selling of guns would need to be tracked and controlled.

Otherwise we’re gonna keep having these mass shootings a few times a year. I mean unless we barricade every entrance to every building with locks, metal detectors, armed guards, etc., how is this ever going to stop or slow down?

[almostgone]

I'll make one post because I have no time to get into a long debate.

Bottom line, candyass sentences are handed out. The laws we have aren't enforced and applied with common sense.

Straight from the ATF's own website,:

Defendants
Recommended for prosecution 10,012
Prior arrests 70,439
Prior convictions 18,192
Defendants indicted 10,077
Number convicted 7,204
Received life sentence 4
Received death sentences 24

The data show an average of 7.0 prior arrests and 1.8 prior convictions per defendant recommended for prosecution.

Idiots commit heinous crimes and so basically they play, but don't pay.

https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/...scal-year-2020


Unfortunately, people can come up with ways to take many more human lives than with a firearm. I'm not going into details because I'm not giving some idiot or mentally ill person fuel for their fire/instructing them in improvised munitions.


Again, we have the laws, but they aren't enforced or the FFL is ignorant.
Look at the type and number of violations:

Most Frequently Cited Violations

27 CFR 478.125(e) Failure to maintain an accurate/complete/timely acquisition and disposition (A&D) record of firearms

27 CFR 478.124(c)(1) Failure to obtain a completed ATF F 4473

27 CFR 478.21(a) Failure to complete forms as prescribed

27 CFR 478.124(c)(3)(iv) Failure to record NICS contact information on an ATF F 4473

27 CFR 478.123(a) Failure to maintain an accurate/complete/timely manufacture or acquisition record

27 CFR 478.124(c)(5) Failure by transferor to sign and/or date an ATF F 4473

27 CFR 478.124(c)(4) Failure to record firearm information on an ATF F 4473

27 CFR 478.124(c)(3)(i) Failure to verify or record identification document on ATF F 4473

27 CFR 478.123(b) Failure to maintain an accurate/complete/timely licensee disposition record

27 CFR 478.126a Failure to report multiple sales or other dispositions of pistols and revolvers


I grieve for the families and victims of violence of any kind, but attempting to round up firearms will fail miserably. All that will do is create and even larger black market for criminals to profit or purchase from.



...That's it. I'm done .

I do have plenty of ideas for improving school security, but again I'm swamped at work.

[almostgone]

Everyone, I know this is a touchy subject with many viewpoints. So please, if you want to discuss or debate this subject, please do so respectfully.

Test, that comment was in no way directed at you, man. I just wanted to throw up a reminder of the ground rules before the thread gets rolling.

[Test Monsterone]

Got you, AG.

I think most repeat offenders don't seem to be the type of people who go out there and shoot a school or movie theatre. From what I've seen most of these mass shooters have clean records. The vegas shooter, movie theatre guy, and this kid that just turned 18 and murdered everyone in a classroom in Texas including 19 kids and 2 teachers had no prior arrest records. He had just turned 18 and bought 2 AR-15 rifles a week or so before the massacre.

If it was a longer, more tedious, more costly process to attain those types of weapons, there is less of a chance that he could have committed this act on such a scale. Maybe he has a psychotic moment and would have snapped out of it eventually, but it was too easy for him to act out on his evil thoughts. Building a bomb is not easy, those kids at Columbine tried and they didn't even go off.

The fact that this kid could save up his allowance, or work at a fast food joint and get enough money to buy two rifles like that is nuts.

[Cuz]

the same party that wants civilian guns banned also wanted to defund the police. Its part of the agenda and this political party of clowns will pounce on every opportunity to take your second amendment rights away and what is even sicker is turning a horrific tragedy into a political movement. This is the same party that doesn’t know which bathroom to use. I could go on and on but why.
The courts don’t help matters at all. Justice system is flawed and very weak. We need alot harsher sentences you can get off way to easy nowadays

[wango]

Got you, AG.

I think most repeat offenders don't seem to be the type of people who go out there and shoot a school or movie theatre. From what I've seen most of these mass shooters have clean records. The vegas shooter, movie theatre guy, and this kid that just turned 18 and murdered everyone in a classroom in Texas including 19 kids and 2 teachers had no prior arrest records. He had just turned 18 and bought 2 AR-15 rifles a week or so before the massacre.

If it was a longer, more tedious, more costly process to attain those types of weapons, there is less of a chance that he could have committed this act on such a scale. Maybe he has a psychotic moment and would have snapped out of it eventually, but it was too easy for him to act out on his evil thoughts. Building a bomb is not easy, those kids at Columbine tried and they didn't even go off.

The fact that this kid could save up his allowance, or work at a fast food joint and get enough money to buy two rifles like that is nuts.

Glad I’m out of teaching, I’m done with it regarding schools. The place is so porous security wise, there simply isn’t a manageable or affordable way to do it. Hell they can’t even provide enough text books. Tell me, any school shootings at private schools?

In bars, movie theaters, etc. hey go at your own risk. It’s clear the problem ain’t going in the other direction, what will it take? 1 million just died from a virus that a good chunk of our population still thinks is fraudulent. There you go. If a million doesn’t do it, a few grocery stores here & there aren’t a big deal.

[songdog]

We live in a different world than we did 20 years ago.Banning guns isn't the answer there will always be a way to get them.But I believe they need to have a Police officer at every school seeing this is wats going on now.

[Cuz]

We live in a different world than we did 20 years ago.Banning guns isn't the answer there will always be a way to get them.But I believe they need to have a Police officer at every school seeing this is wats going on now.

I wonder how many officers we could hire to serve and protect our school systems from the evil we are seeing with 40 billion dollars that our admin wanted to send Ukraine…

[Test Monsterone]

I wonder how many officers we could hire to serve and protect our school systems from the evil we are seeing with 40 billion dollars that our admin wanted to send Ukraine…

Google says there are 130,930 schools in the us. One officer per school at 60k a year totals 78,558,000,000. That’s over 78 billion a year for one officer per school.

They were taking about arming the teachers, but that sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. Tonight on “When Teachers Had Enough.”

[s1nc1ty]

IMO you guys in the US have had so many school shootings its long overdue that a school should have one entrance with metal detector and atleast 2 guards... wouldnt be too crazy to do it and would save some children. atleast all the bigger schols with like 1000+ students. That would reduce school shootings greatly probably. its easy for a coward to sneak a gun into a classroom and start banging but to go and get into a gunfight with the guards i think most kids would be too scared

i think compared to the total cost of running a school, the addition of couple guards its nothing crazy or unthinkable financially. The local goverments of each state could find the resources from theyr budget. Ofcourse if you add all the schools over all the country together then its a big sum but america is a huge country too

[JaneDoe]

Poor teacher girl, she died trying to protect her students.

[JaneDoe]

IMO you guys in the US have had so many school shootings its long overdue that a school should have one entrance with metal detector and atleast 2 guards... wouldnt be too crazy to do it and would save some children. atleast all the bigger schols with like 1000+ students. That would reduce school shootings greatly probably. its easy for a coward to sneak a gun into a classroom and start banging but to go and get into a gunfight with the guards i think most kids would be too scared

i think compared to the total cost of running a school, the addition of couple guards its nothing crazy or unthinkable financially. The local goverments of each state could find the resources from theyr budget. Ofcourse if you add all the schools over all the country together then its a big sum but america is a huge country too

Yes and one of the most famous was the one in Columbine where 2 crazy young people went out killing thousands of students..They were well articulated to exercise such evil

[wango]

Google says there are 130,930 schools in the us. One officer per school at 60k a year totals 78,558,000,000. That’s over 78 billion a year for one officer per school.

They were taking about arming the teachers, but that sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. Tonight on “When Teachers Had Enough.”

First off, no price is too high to protect our children (or educate them for that matter, apparently). Arming teachers (and all staff) is a brilliant idea, easy fix right there.

[Test Monsterone]

First off, no price is too high to protect our children (or educate them for that matter, apparently). Arming teachers (and all staff) is a brilliant idea, easy fix right there.

I can see it now… instead of students breaking in to the closet to steal erasers and candy, they’ll break in and steal the gun. Oh and if it’s really secure, it won’t be much help when the shooter bursts into the room. I guess they’ll need to carry it on their hips at all times, just in case.

[Mooseman33]

we have billions to send to another country but not for protecting our children?

how was he able to enter the building, why was school not secure?

no way in todays times should u be able to enter a school.

[SampsonandDelilah]

From TX Governor Abbott yesterday…

Abbott downplayed calls for stricter gun laws in the wake of the shooting, citing the number of shootings in large metropolitan areas and other states as proof that gun control legislation wouldn't prevent attacks like what happened in Uvalde.
"There are 'real' gun laws in Chicago, there are 'real' gun laws in New York, there are 'real' gun laws in California," Abbott said in response to a reporter's question. "I hate to say this, but there are more people shot every weekend in Chicago than in schools in Texas. If you're looking for a real solution, Chicago teaches that what you're talking about isn't a real solution."

From 2021 (there are many more similar examples)

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/11/22/u...day/index.html

Should we ban SUV’s or raise their prices? Think that will stop crazy people from driving their cars into crowds with the intent of causing mayhem and destruction?

We need to quit blaming the instruments and start understanding what went wrong when they decided to cause harm.

Multiple examples of knives being used as well. There are extremely strict gun laws in China, it didn’t stop this from happening.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen...chool_stabbing

Again, multiple examples of knives being the instruments.

Do we have a problem in America? You bet your ass, will not argue with that. It’s just far deeper than the gun…outlaw them and the instruments of destruction will just change. We have a mental health problem, plain and simple. Can we do better with background checks, probably. Wouldn’t have stopped that evil SOB though. Who’s to say he wouldn’t have just driven his truck into the playground?

It’s an extremely difficult conversation and I’m happy I’m not a politician, we have to do better than blaming guns though and look deeper than that. Can our society stop glamorizing them, probably. Should we broadcast these sick fuckers names and manifestos, probably not. However as we back the 2A, we must also protect the first A.

It’s sticky and dicey and I’m over it too, but it’s beyond just simple gun control, that’s the easy way out and doesn’t address the root of the problem.

I’ll be tapping out too as it’s too exhausting of a debate, but thought I’d give my .2

Go hug your kids and be nice to a stranger

[wango]

I can see it now… instead of students breaking in to the closet to steal erasers and candy, they’ll break in and steal the gun. Oh and if it’s really secure, it won’t be much help when the shooter bursts into the room. I guess they’ll need to carry it on their hips at all times, just in case.

Protecting schools? It’s a SNAFU if ever there was one.

Still curious, what did his grandmother do to have the kid shoot her in the face? Kids, can never figure em out, sheesh. But don’t deny them their 2nd amendment rights. Speaking of which, did the founding fathers put an age limit of just who could be armed to protect us as a militia? Certainly they must have, being that they were all-knowing, future predicting wizards. If not, why is the age of 18 so relevant to the fact that he was able to purchase a gun or two, seems arbitrary?

[SampsonandDelilah]

First off, no price is too high to protect our children (or educate them for that matter, apparently). Arming teachers (and all staff) is a brilliant idea, easy fix right there.

Absolutely disagree. There are more than a few instances (though rarely distributed nationally) where small private schools have armed some teachers and old students who somehow got past the receptionist were almost shot, and were shot at. One instance where there was a couple of teachers who discharged their weapons and hit each other in the cross fire. Suddenly we want teachers playing Rambo? They can’t be adequately trained in many cases…now I’ll make the argument that every school should have something similar to an air Marshall in the school who is equipped with more than just a handgun. Highly trained, properly equipped and isn’t toting a service revolver (like taking a knife to a gun fight).

We need to allocate these taxes as schools should be SAFE. How hard is that to understand? I’m angry.

We are finally at the point where I believe each and every school should have a highly trained badass (SWAT) style who is on the ready with cameras at every entrance and is properly equipped to identify and engage any possible threat. That will slow it down I believe. Let’s just let the teachers teach.

That fucking coward barricaded himself in one room and picked off the children and teacher who happened to occupy that classroom. It’s evil beyond comprehension.

The police couldn’t breach the damn door from the outside, which is why a trained specialist should’ve been on the inside. The school resource officer (SRO) at my sons middle school is grossly overweight and carry’s a 9mm handgun (will nit stop level 3 body armor). That will not do and we all saw what the SRO in Parkland did (ran and hid like a coward). We have to raise the standards.

There is someone drawing up a plan to be a copy cat right now, it won’t be until these copy cats are shot and killed after failing over and over that maybe this shit will stop. It’s just to easy. Sadly

[Test Monsterone]

The kid didn’t have a license or a car, but he was 18 and had the cash. I guess anyone can just walk to the store, buy a rifle with a decent magazine and a box of bullets, walk down the street to the local elementary school, walk into a random classroom and start shooting. Then all the loonies out there see how nothing is done about it, and they go run their own version. Sounds like a plan of action.

Maybe they should assign every American a therapist so we don’t get sad and want to kill people.

This country has gone nuts. What happened? I mean there were guns before Columbine, so what changed? Or was this happening before and we don’t know about it?

[wango]

Absolutely disagree. There are more than a few instances (though rarely distributed nationally) where small private schools have armed some teachers and old students who somehow got past the receptionist were almost shot, and were shot at. One instance where there was a couple of teachers who discharged their weapons and hit each other in the cross fire. Suddenly we want teachers playing Rambo? They can’t be adequately trained in many cases…now I’ll make the argument that every school should have something similar to an air Marshall in the school who is equipped with more than just a handgun. Highly trained, properly equipped and isn’t toting a service revolver (like taking a knife to a gun fight).

We need to allocate these taxes as schools should be SAFE. How hard is that to understand? I’m angry.

We are finally at the point where I believe each and every school should have a highly trained badass (SWAT) style who is on the ready with cameras at every entrance and is properly equipped to identify and engage any possible threat. That will slow it down I believe. Let’s just let the teachers teach.

That fucking coward barricaded himself in one room and picked off the children and teacher who happened to occupy that classroom. It’s evil beyond comprehension.

The police couldn’t breach the damn door from the outside, which is why a trained specialist should’ve been on the inside. The school resource officer (SRO) at my sons middle school is grossly overweight and carry’s a 9mm handgun (will nit stop level 3 body armor). That will not do and we all saw what the SRO in Parkland did (ran and hid like a coward). We have to raise the standards.

There is someone drawing up a plan to be a copy cat right now, it won’t be until these copy cats are shot and killed after failing over and over that maybe this shit will stop. It’s just to easy. Sadly

My post was completely sarcastic.

Schools & teaching kids = Situation Normal. Todays society= AFU

Like I’m overjoyed at this? I’ve been in a lockdown situation with teens. The school lost all power, no phones & oh btw, we had null cell phone service. I’ve been in a class while a neighboring school was in the middle of a shooting. Actually multiple times with other schools further away. Did these happen yesterday? No. Has anything changed? No. Will it happen tomorrow? Hell yes it will.

[wango]

The kid didn’t have a license or a car, but he was 18 and had the cash. I guess anyone can just walk to the store, buy a rifle with a decent magazine and a box of bullets, walk down the street to the local elementary school, walk into a random classroom and start shooting. Then all the loonies out there see how nothing is done about it, and they go run their own version. Sounds like a plan of action.

Maybe they should assign every American a therapist so we don’t get sad and want to kill people.

This country has gone nuts. What happened? I mean there were guns before Columbine, so what changed? Or was this happening before and we don’t know about it?

Bigger is better. Let’s outdo the other guy. Plus now we can video it for all to see - how cool is that?

[SampsonandDelilah]

The kid didn’t have a license or a car, but he was 18 and had the cash. I guess anyone can just walk to the store, buy a rifle with a decent magazine and a box of bullets, walk down the street to the local elementary school, walk into a random classroom and start shooting. Then all the loonies out there see how nothing is done about it, and they go run their own version. Sounds like a plan of action.

Maybe they should assign every American a therapist so we don’t get sad and want to kill people.

This country has gone nuts. What happened? I mean there were guns before Columbine, so what changed? Or was this happening before and we don’t know about it?

That’s the point I’m trying to make…

[SampsonandDelilah]

My post was completely sarcastic.

Schools & teaching kids = Situation Normal. Todays society= AFU

Like I’m overjoyed at this? I’ve been in a lockdown situation with teens. The school lost all power, no phones & oh btw, we had null cell phone service. I’ve been in a class while a neighboring school was in the middle of a shooting. Actually multiple times with other schools further away. Did these happen yesterday? No. Has anything changed? No. Will it happen tomorrow? Hell yes it will.

Missed the sarcasm but never did I infer you were overjoyed by this. That wasn’t a part of my response and if that was inferred, let it be known that in no way was I implying that

[XnavyHMCS]

Google says there are 130,930 schools in the us. One officer per school at 60k a year totals 78,558,000,000. That’s over 78 billion a year for one officer per school.

They were taking about arming the teachers, but that sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. Tonight on “When Teachers Had Enough.”

How about, as concerned citizens (concerned for our children, as well as for our 2A rights) we petition the local govts. to allow for the implementation of "volunteer citizen patrols / guards, armed to the teeth, of course; to protect our most precious possessions, our progeny? If I am not remiss, I read that in a southern state, Louisiana I believe, fathers, to combat the endemic bullying in the high school, began policing the schools and the grounds, literally halting the aggression in its tracks.

Could be a proposal, and a way to save vital funds...

Of course, volunteers would require extensive vetting and training / certification (perhaps these costs could be kept to a minimum and carried by the eager volunteer, until funding could be set up), before assuming their armed roles within the school...

Just a thought, before finishing reading the rest of the discussion here.

[XnavyHMCS]

First off, no price is too high to protect our children (or educate them for that matter, apparently). Arming teachers (and all staff) is a brilliant idea, easy fix right there.

Fuck Yeah...!!!

Of course, being an armed teacher is no guarantee of action, in defense of his charges; even a trained LEO apparently shirked his duties in Parkland, Fl. when the shooting started, but at least it is a start, a step towards providing greater security. Fuck, let all the kids know too, make it no secret; perhaps it will act as a deterrent...

[XnavyHMCS]

From TX Governor Abbott yesterday…

Abbott downplayed calls for stricter gun laws in the wake of the shooting, citing the number of shootings in large metropolitan areas and other states as proof that gun control legislation wouldn't prevent attacks like what happened in Uvalde.
"There are 'real' gun laws in Chicago, there are 'real' gun laws in New York, there are 'real' gun laws in California," Abbott said in response to a reporter's question. "I hate to say this, but there are more people shot every weekend in Chicago than in schools in Texas. If you're looking for a real solution, Chicago teaches that what you're talking about isn't a real solution."

From 2021 (there are many more similar examples)

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/11/22/u...day/index.html

Should we ban SUV’s or raise their prices? Think that will stop crazy people from driving their cars into crowds with the intent of causing mayhem and destruction?

We need to quit blaming the instruments and start understanding what went wrong when they decided to cause harm.

Multiple examples of knives being used as well. There are extremely strict gun laws in China, it didn’t stop this from happening.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen...chool_stabbing

Again, multiple examples of knives being the instruments.

Do we have a problem in America? You bet your ass, will not argue with that. It’s just far deeper than the gun…outlaw them and the instruments of destruction will just change. We have a mental health problem, plain and simple. Can we do better with background checks, probably. Wouldn’t have stopped that evil SOB though. Who’s to say he wouldn’t have just driven his truck into the playground?

It’s an extremely difficult conversation and I’m happy I’m not a politician, we have to do better than blaming guns though and look deeper than that. Can our society stop glamorizing them, probably. Should we broadcast these sick fuckers names and manifestos, probably not. However as we back the 2A, we must also protect the first A.

It’s sticky and dicey and I’m over it too, but it’s beyond just simple gun control, that’s the easy way out and doesn’t address the root of the problem.

I’ll be tapping out too as it’s too exhausting of a debate, but thought I’d give my .2

Go hug your kids and be nice to a stranger

S&D strikes again...!!!

Spouting the gospel...!!!

[Cornish]

The end of the Empire is all it is. Compare it to Rome. Compare our society today with that of the Weimar Republic before the Nazis took over.

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[wango]

Social media sure contributed. 2 Chan (predecessor to the lovely 4 Chan and then 8 Chan) started in 1999. About the same time, SA: Something Awful (yes that’s the name of the site) came out here. If you become empowered in social media & now you realize there’s plenty of others just like you, well then, you no longer are that weird, nor are your ideas. You’ve now got a home/family where your ideas are nurtured, encouraged and discussed openly. What could go wrong with that? I mean that and the portion of your brain that should be warning you of consequences of your actions still hasn’t matured. And kids needing “their space” so their doors stay closed (A living hell for some of my students was when the parents removed their bedroom door as to better keep an eye on them).

And then there’s that elephant in the room, attainable guns. The weapon of choice in these school killings is not a knife, bat, hatchet or automobile mowing down students (when they’re in mass outside of the schools).

Best protection is sending your kids to an exclusive private school. Just walked by one today, seriously can you believe it, there were car detailers working in the parking lot. There the kids are afraid their Porsche doesn’t shine as well as the next kids Benz.

[Test Monsterone]

While I do think there is a problem with society as a whole, you can never really eliminate the kind of people who just want to see death and destruction. I knew a few kids like that growing up. The type to laugh at someone's misery, to torture an animal, beat up an old person... these people are among us.

Imagine if you could only buy weapons on merit. No criminal record, no past psychological trauma, history of violence, etc. In this case the kid had dropped out of school and was a recluse weirdo - hmm buying two ARs is not suspicious at all. If they could track this sort of shit and see that he was at risk for deviant behavior because of his past, they probably wouldn't have sold it. Profit cannot drive the gun industry. It's weapons we are talking about. There should be a long, drawn-out process and investigation of the history of an individual before purchasing weapons.

America looks crazy AF to the rest of the world. The epicenter of democracy, freedom, and innovation and we deal with this shit. There really is no two ways about it. If you sell guns to anyone, anything can happen. The only reason mass shootings don't happen in most other countries is because guns are not allowed or distribution is highly controlled.

[Test Monsterone]

Now I’m reading that one of the female teacher’s who was killed husband died 2 days later of a heart attack. All because gun fanatics want their guns quick and easy and lawmakers get their pockets padded by NRA lobbyists.

Also just read that in Scotland there was a school shooting in 1996 where 14 children died. They changed the laws and haven’t had a school shooting since. Same in Australia, I guess laws don’t work.

[almostgone]

Just a quick drive by....no pun intended. I'm trying to wrap things up before some much needed time off.

We didn't have school shootings committed by children/students.....say 80 years ago. It was primarily adults shooting other adults.

Society in general doesn't hold life sacred nor do people in general respect each other the way they used to.

I place a HUGE amount of blame on parents that let their children get lost in the fantasy world of violent video games. These games do nothing but make entertainment out of violence, murder, theft, living the "thug" lifestyle, etc. Kids become deconditioned to whatever morals they may have had and embrace the violence and it becomes their new view of a "normal" society.


Sorry for the short choppy post, but I'm juggling more work than I should be.



Good thread, though. I'm enjoying it, just sorry I can't participate more at the moment.

[SampsonandDelilah]

Now I’m reading that one of the female teacher’s who was killed husband died 2 days later of a heart attack. All because gun fanatics want their guns quick and easy and lawmakers get their pockets padded by NRA lobbyists.

Also just read that in Scotland there was a school shooting in 1996 where 14 children died. They changed the laws and haven’t had a school shooting since. Same in Australia, I guess laws don’t work.

I’m a gun fanatic, my two safes are full and would give John Wick a run for his money.

The NRA doesn’t speak for me nor do the lobbyists that represent them. Myopic to lump us altogether…

Probably also a little quick to assume he didn’t have co-morbidities and wasn’t a ticking time bomb. But ok, that’s what pushed him over the ledge…

[Cuz]

I’m a gun fanatic, my two safes are full and would give John Wick a run for his money.

The NRA doesn’t speak for me nor do the lobbyists that represent them. Myopic to lump us altogether…

Probably also a little quick to assume he didn’t have co-morbidities and wasn’t a ticking time bomb. But ok, that’s what pushed him over the ledge…

I could give a fuck about the NRA but I only have one safe full Its funny to me how the donkey party thinks all of us gun enthusiasts are “nra lobbyist” not even sure wtf a lobbyist is or care for that matter.
Sure 30 years ago i was a big Nra advocate but now nah not really at all.

“Lobbyist” Hmmm is that someone that sets in a lobby?





This 18 yo managed to wreck, evade cops. Walk into a fucking school fully armed and stay insde approximately 40 min before any officers done anything? Sound fishy? Running from the law and wrecks shoots a cop and then walks in the school and cops dont go inside until almost an hour.
Folks parents of the children being murdered were outside the school as it was happening now i can tell you one thing if ole Cuz had made it to his kids school (i have two) and there was an active shooter then i would engage to try and stop the shooter. Dont get me wrong i back the blue but ill be godamned if I wait around
. I hope those claims i heard are false and i hope the law enforcement agency didnt wait to engage

[Test Monsterone]

I’m a gun fanatic, my two safes are full and would give John Wick a run for his money.

The NRA doesn’t speak for me nor do the lobbyists that represent them. Myopic to lump us altogether…

Probably also a little quick to assume he didn’t have co-morbidities and wasn’t a ticking time bomb. But ok, that’s what pushed him over the ledge…

So what’s the solution? Continue selling guns to anyone and everyone? Don’t we need to be more selective with whom we sell to? I’m not worried about guys like you who are stable, responsible men with families. I’m worried about the lone wolf crazies who hate the world. I don’t even have kids, so it’s not like I’m the one that has something to lose.

It seems like most gun guys don’t want to do anything about the situation here. Just blame it on society, movies, video games, social media, etc. that’s all great, but that doesn’t solve anything. So what’s the problem? You don’t want a thorough background check, psychological evaluation, quick interrogation into why you are buying the gun? In the media at least, it seems like we can’t even get to the point of negotiation. We all have to live in this world together. It’s not fair for the 66% of Americans who don’t own guns that they should live in fear or wonder if the next event they go to will be a target of domestic terrorism because a small minority of the country want to shoot shit and collect weapons *without thorough background checks*. From a perspective of someone with kids who doesn’t own guns, I would say “why should my kids die because you like target practice or collecting arms to show off to your buddies?” Isn’t a life more valuable than that?

You have kids bro, imagine how the parents of those 19 4th graders feel right now. Yeah, yeah, “don’t blame the gun blame the individual.” Ok, I get it. It’s guns that are making it this easy to kill. Despite the rhetoric that they could make bombs, drive cars into crowds, etc., nobody has done that or is going to do that at a school as long as it is this easy to get these types of weapons. First off, good luck driving a car into a classroom. Second of all, bombs need sourced, made, planted, and detonated. That’s 4 points if potential failure. All people need to do with guns is have the money and shoot. It’s too easy.

[Test Monsterone]

I could give a fuck about the NRA but I only have one safe full Its funny to me how the donkey party thinks all of us gun enthusiasts are “nra lobbyist” not even sure wtf a lobbyist is or care for that matter.
Sure 30 years ago i was a big Nra advocate but now nah not really at all.

“Lobbyist” Hmmm is that someone that sets in a lobby?





This 18 yo managed to wreck, evade cops. Walk into a fucking school fully armed and stay insde approximately 40 min before any officers done anything? Sound fishy? Running from the law and wrecks shoots a cop and then walks in the school and cops dont go inside until almost an hour.
Folks parents of the children being murdered were outside the school as it was happening now i can tell you one thing if ole Cuz had made it to his kids school (i have two) and there was an active shooter then i would engage to try and stop the shooter. Dont get me wrong i back the blue but ill be godamned if I wait around
. I hope those claims i heard are false and i hope the law enforcement agency didnt wait to engage

A gun lobbyist is someone from the NRA who goes to republican lawmakers like Ted Cruise, gives them a bunch of money (like a bribe), to keep his mouth shut and keep it churning. Ted Cruise is set to go to an NRA convention in a few days to give a speech. Wonder what amazing things he’ll come up with?

The NRA is an organization that pays the politicians it corrupts, which happen to be all republicans, since you like to bring up politics, to say stupid shit like “arm all teachers.” Why? Because the more guns that are out there, the more money they generate. The politicians have no reason to protect the right to easily purchase assault rifles. This is why I lean left. Because behind every nonsensical decision made to hurt us more as a society in this country, there is a republican politician spewing lies on TV - whether it’s about gun policy, environment (big oil loves republican politicians), Russia is not so bad (oligarchs make great buddies, ask Tucker), the election being stolen, there is always some vile lying republican politician getting his pockets fatter. I don’t have to look far, it’s only a handful of them that are willing to stand up to “the big lie,” so I know their morals. I’m a pretty smart and perceptive guy, I don’t fall for lies and I know when I’m being lied to. I look at your party… you’re being lied to… heavily.

But again, the democrats have made mistakes and there are far left people I don’t understand. But right now, the stupid shit dems do pale in comparison to the gargantuan mistakes/or intentional deception performed on the right. I mean you guys elected captain corruption. How did that go over your head?

[tarmyg]

Never really understood why people think removing easy access to guns do not work? Pretty standard method for anything that should not be easily accessible.

If you do not want to do that because of the 2A I completely understand that but then we also got to own the consequences like adults.

My last point, if you are completely against guns we can always amend the constitution, that is an established process. Not an easy one but fully legal. Maybe allow each state to decide for themselves?

[SampsonandDelilah]

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Good luck

[songdog]

Google says there are 130,930 schools in the us. One officer per school at 60k a year totals 78,558,000,000. That’s over 78 billion a year for one officer per school.

They were taking about arming the teachers, but that sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. Tonight on “When Teachers Had Enough.”

I have seen videos of intercity teachers being pushed around by students.I sure as hell would bet they would have it taken from them.

[Cuz]

Never really understood why people think removing easy access to guns do not work? Pretty standard method for anything that should not be easily accessible.

If you do not want to do that because of the 2A I completely understand that but then we also got to own the consequences like adults.

My last point, if you are completely against guns we can always amend the constitution, that is an established process. Not an easy one but fully legal. Maybe allow each state to decide for themselves?

We tried the states deciding for themselves back in 1861 and it didn’t work but I agree with you I would love for the states to decide. Only issue i see is crossing into a gun free state, sometimes i travel and i usually bring my side piece with me

[wango]

Fuck Yeah...!!!

Of course, being an armed teacher is no guarantee of action, in defense of his charges; even a trained LEO apparently shirked his duties in Parkland, Fl. when the shooting started, but at least it is a start, a step towards providing greater security. Fuck, let all the kids know too, make it no secret; perhaps it will act as a deterrent...

Xnavy, I’m going to tread lightly, but this idea of arming teachers is ludicrous on so many levels (particularly the deterrent aspect). In the public schools, “preventing” school shootings from happening is almost impossible logistically and economically. Right now there is/are kid(s) using summer vacation plotting to take revenge against some abuse or slight received this past school year. Then we can have this exact same discussion next fall and all post the same things.

Can’t wait for the next angle on the story. Let’s see, the police were slow to act because they believed in & were fearful of the replacement theory.