College Sports and Homosexuality/Bisexuality

[Carlos_E]

Population control, not so. Truth is there has been homosexuality since the Greeks and almost definitely before. So does it really run in the genes??? If it did, then those not procreating (bisexual) would not pass it on to thier offspring, consequently homosexuality would be a thing of antiquity. But its not???????????? It continues to be prevalent even when 10% of the population is not consumating a relationship with a member of the opposite sex.

Possibly then it's a recessive gene carried by all people.

[Tock]

haha the gay guy said "cockels" thats funny...........

fyi:


"warms the cockles of my heart"

Meaning: Causes a pleasant feeling of a sentimental kind, is comforting, is reassuring.
Origin: Not clear. The shell of the cockle, a mussel, is somewhat heart-shaped, but that may not have produced this phrase.
Entry from Webster's Second Unabridged, 1934: "Cockles of the heart: A phrase (in which 'cockles' is of uncertain meaning) denoting the depths of the heart; as, to 'delight, rejoice, cheer, warm,' etc., 'the cockles of one's heart.'"

[spywizard]

If that were the case is it a recessive gene??

and is AIDS natures way of destroying that weakness???

Still a matter of choice.....................

Possibly then it's a recessive gene carried by all people.

[Tock]

LE huh???

Grand Forks.. drug and bomb.... all staff dogs.. reassigned ad needed... then OSI for 3 years....

small world... didn't work on your case though.. that was before the "Don't tell don't ask."

if you stated, or were charged with being gay it was a general discharge at that time..

Yep, LE. You LE or SP?
Grand Forks . . . too cold for me. When I got out, Massachusetts was suffering the worst blizzard of the past million years, and I figured if I went back there, I'd be shovelling driveways until the day I dropped. So I stayed in Texas . . . now the worst things I have to mess with are fire ants and babtists . . .
Yep, general discharge, and they'd cut your GI Bill benefits (or so my lawyer told me), so I volunteered the info before they found me out (I had a stack of books in my locker on the topic, and they'd conduct random barracks searches at odd hours) so I'd have a shot at getting an honorable. Most frustrating thing was, I asked why I couldn't stay in, and they said I had a bad effect on troop morale. I asked the other guys in the barracks if that was so, and they laughed 'cause it was so ridiculous. One guy told me that if anyone gave me any **** then to let him know and he'd take care of the problem. A bunch of us would go out drinking, they'd pay for mine. Of course, we went to a sleazy topless bar right outside the main gate, but had a pretty good time nevertheless . . . I still vividly recall one stripper sitting down at our table, still topless, and one guy reaching over and copping a feel. Grossed me out. I was philosophical about it, though. Figured it wouldn't hurt to see what I was supposedly missing . . .

I had a great time in the USAF, and still wished I could have done 20 or 30 years. But when the bigwigs get stuck on a stupid policy, there ain't no reasoning with 'em, no matter what. Oh well. At least I'm here . . . in the middle of a bunch of godless roid-popping drug addicts . . . my kind of people . . . lol . . .
-Tock

[Carlos_E]

If that were the case is it a recessive gene??

and is AIDS natures way of destroying that weakness???

Still a matter of choice.....................

Do you consider all recessive genes a weakness? Since blue eyes is a recessive gene do you consider it a weakness?

Not only gays get HIV. Do you think the 26.6 million people in Africa with HIV/AIDS got it from gay sex?

[Carlos_E]

Population control, not so. Truth is there has been homosexuality since the Greeks and almost definitely before. So does it really run in the genes??? If it did, then those not procreating (bisexual) would not pass it on to thier offspring, consequently homosexuality would be a thing of antiquity. But its not???????????? It continues to be prevalent even when 10% of the population is not consumating a relationship with a member of the opposite sex.

Another thing I forgot to add...

Bisexuals are attracted to both sexes. So bisexuals DO reproduce and have off spring. If there is a gay recessive gene it can be passed on by bisexuals who have off spring or it could be a recessive gene carried by all people.

I have a gay friend and 2 of his siblings are gay. So are several of his cousins, aunts and uncles ect... So that leads me to believe it's a recessive gene.

[RP7]

Sorry couldn't resist

[daman1]

Again...........I don't care what your sexual preference is........ suck dicks..........lick crap from guys butts.............

I don't care........ don't tell me............... and if i mispoke on a subject that you are far more knowledgeable on.. Sex with children....... well.. tough to that also......

Again.. I don't care what your choices are.... I don't share mine with you..........don't share yours with me...........

I have never beaten a guy because he was gay.........
or for his color
religion
or anything else..
but i have beaten quite a few that were idiots.....

yes i am a hard a-ss been that way all my life..

so you deal with it........ cause i am here to stay........

But the fact remains people have a right to post a thread on what they want. As Pete said, if you don't like, DONT READ THE POST. That's the bottom line and that's how it has and is going to be. The guy who made the post wasn't directing it straight to you for you to ONLY read. He did it for everyone on AR to see, IF they WANTED to.

[spywizard]

read the other pst made since this one 4 days ago.................

But the fact remains people have a right to post a thread on what they want. As Pete said, if you don't like, DONT READ THE POST. That's the bottom line and that's how it has and is going to be. The guy who made the post wasn't directing it straight to you for you to ONLY read. He did it for everyone on AR to see, IF they WANTED to.

[daman1]

read the other pst made since this one 4 days ago.................

Did. But still felt the need to comment on your comments.

[bigbouncinballs]

rp7 that's some funny ****!!!!!

[spywizard]

Ok......then allow me to respond....

I don't like it......don't like the motivation.. .can read anything i want........and will post when i feel compelled............

If you don't like it........

don't read my post.. add me to your ignore list...

much as i have done with you;..........

But the fact remains people have a right to post a thread on what they want. As Pete said, if you don't like, DONT READ THE POST. That's the bottom line and that's how it has and is going to be. The guy who made the post wasn't directing it straight to you for you to ONLY read. He did it for everyone on AR to see, IF they WANTED to.

[50%Natural]

Do you consider all recessive genes a weakness? Since blue eyes is a recessive gene do you consider it a weakness?

Not only gays get HIV. Do you think the 26.6 million people in Africa with HIV/AIDS got it from gay sex?

Not all recessive genes are a weakness. Some of the most common things such as a widows peak or a straight hairline is the difference between a recessive gene and a dominant, same thing with attached and unattached earlobs. Just because it is a recessive gene does not make the gene hidden...

Hiv---is that not what beastiality brought about? Tribesman doing animals where dna/different viruses can mutate into unknown strands on their own? Some what like the reason why every flu season, it is a different strand of the flu. Viruses can changed their make up to defeat destruction...kinda sucks

[Dude-Man]

I don't know where AIDS came into this discussion, but i'll say my piece on it. No one knows who the patient zero for HIV was. Simply, the incubation period is too long for anyone to trace it back. However, an airline attendant, Gaetan Dugas (spelling?) is considered the main person responsible for the spread of the virus. He was a homosexual flight attendant, who claimed to have had tens of thousands of sexual encounters while carrying the dissease.

For this reason, AIDS was known as a homosexual dissease. However, if it were not for Dugas, it likely wouldn't have been.

[50%Natural]

I don't think that one man could spread that virus like that in the 60's? 70's? I believe it was brought with slaves to america/europe and people died from a weakened immune system from small pox, malaria, pnemonia, or other common sickensses that could have possibly been treated rather than the disease itself. It makes sense if it came from africa because of such a large % of the pop. with the disease

[spywizard]

Chris.............. I lived this in the early 80's ...

he was hubed 0ut of Denver... (or that was one of the main stops for him) i was in Colorado Springs.. really freaked out the community.. years later when this possibility was announced..

At least it did me.. i was a whore screwing every girl that i could catch........

and in Colorado at the time... infection rates with white females was growing very quickly...

Dodged that one.......... and since................

I don't know where AIDS came into this discussion, but i'll say my piece on it. No one knows who the patient zero for HIV was. Simply, the incubation period is too long for anyone to trace it back. However, an airline attendant, Gaetan Dugas (spelling?) is considered the main person responsible for the spread of the virus. He was a homosexual flight attendant, who claimed to have had tens of thousands of sexual encounters while carrying the dissease.

For this reason, AIDS was known as a homosexual dissease. However, if it were not for Dugas, it likely wouldn't have been.

[Carlos_E]

I don't think that one man could spread that virus like that in the 60's? 70's? I believe it was brought with slaves to america/europe and people died from a weakened immune system from small pox, malaria, pnemonia, or other common sickensses that could have possibly been treated rather than the disease itself. It makes sense if it came from africa because of such a large % of the pop. with the disease

No, that is not correct. The earliest fully documented case of HIV dates back to 1960. It was a preserved blood sample found and tested in 1980s. The high number of HIV cases in Africa comes from the lack of sex education. People don't know to use condoms to prevent the spread of the disease.

[Carlos_E]

I don't know where AIDS came into this discussion, but i'll say my piece on it. No one knows who the patient zero for HIV was. Simply, the incubation period is too long for anyone to trace it back. However, an airline attendant, Gaetan Dugas (spelling?) is considered the main person responsible for the spread of the virus. He was a homosexual flight attendant, who claimed to have had tens of thousands of sexual encounters while carrying the dissease.

For this reason, AIDS was known as a homosexual dissease. However, if it were not for Dugas, it likely wouldn't have been.

A study by the CDC in the early 80s linked at least 50 patients to Gaetan Dugas. This was one ****ed up individual. He used to turn on the lights after an anonymous sex encounter and point to the lesions on his body and say. "I have gay cancer, I'm going to die and so are you." This guy was purposely spreading the disease all over North America.

[daman1]

Ok......then allow me to respond....

I don't like it......don't like the motivation.. .can read anything i want........and will post when i feel compelled............

If you don't like it........

don't read my post.. add me to your ignore list...

much as i have done with you;..........

I can't help it. **** stinks, just like some of your posts. I am not going to ignore you, nor am I trying to be a biggest. I am trying to let YOU know that some of your comments are not necessary, just like I'm sure some of mine have been. GET OVER IT and quit being a schmuck about it.

[Carlos_E]

GET OVER IT and quit being a schmuck about it.

[Carlos_E]

Came across this in todays New York Times.
______________________________________________

Love That Dare Not Squeak Its Name

February 7, 2004
By DINITIA SMITH

Roy and Silo, two chinstrap penguins at the Central Park Zoo in Manhattan, are completely devoted to each other. For nearly six years now, they have been inseparable. They exhibit what in penguin parlance is called "ecstatic behavior": that is, they entwine their necks, they vocalize to each other, they have sex. Silo and Roy are, to anthropomorphize a bit, gay penguins. When offered female companionship, they have adamantly refused it. And the females aren't interested in them, either.

At one time, the two seemed so desperate to incubate an egg together that they put a rock in their nest and sat on it, keeping it warm in the folds of their abdomens, said their chief keeper, Rob Gramzay. Finally, he gave them a fertile egg that needed care to hatch. Things went perfectly. Roy and Silo sat on it for the typical 34 days until a chick, Tango, was born. For the next two and a half months they raised Tango, keeping her warm and feeding her food from their beaks until she could go out into the world on her own. Mr. Gramzay is full of praise for them.

"They did a great job," he said. He was standing inside the glassed-in penguin exhibit, where Roy and Silo had just finished lunch. Penguins usually like a swim after they eat, and Silo was in the water. Roy had finished his dip and was up on the beach.

Roy and Silo are hardly unusual. Milou and Squawk, two young males, are also beginning to exhibit courtship behavior, hanging out with each other, billing and bowing. Before them, the Central Park Zoo had Georgey and Mickey, two female Gentoo penguins who tried to incubate eggs together. And Wendell and Cass, a devoted male African penguin pair, live at the New York Aquarium in Coney Island. Indeed, scientists have found homosexual behavior throughout the animal world.

This growing body of science has been increasingly drawn into charged debates about homosexuality in American society, on subjects from gay marriage to sodomy laws, despite reluctance from experts in the field to extrapolate from animals to humans. Gay groups argue that if homosexual behavior occurs in animals, it is natural, and therefore the rights of homosexuals should be protected. On the other hand, some conservative religious groups have condemned the same practices in the past, calling them "animalistic."

But if homosexuality occurs among animals, does that necessarily mean that it is natural for humans, too? And that raises a familiar question: if homosexuality is not a choice, but a result of natural forces that cannot be controlled, can it be immoral?

The open discussion of homosexual behavior in animals is relatively new. "There has been a certain cultural shyness about admitting it," said Frans de Waal, whose 1997 book, "Bonobo: The Forgotten Ape" (University of California Press), unleashed a torrent of discussion about animal sexuality. Bonobos, apes closely related to humans, are wildly energetic sexually. Studies show that whether observed in the wild or in captivity, nearly all are bisexual, and nearly half their sexual interactions are with the same sex. Female bonobos have been observed to engage in homosexual activity almost hourly.

Before his own book, "American scientists who investigated bonobos never discussed sex at all," said Mr. de Waal, director of the Living Links Center of the Yerkes Primate Center at Emory University in Atlanta. "Or they sometimes would show two females having sex together, and would say, `The females are very affectionate.' "

Then in 1999, Bruce Bagemihl published "Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity" (St. Martin's Press), one of the first books of its kind to provide an overview of scholarly studies of same-sex behavior in animals. Mr. Bagemihl said homosexual behavior had been documented in some 450 species. (Homosexuality, he says, refers to any of these behaviors between members of the same sex: long-term bonding, sexual contact, courtship displays or the rearing of young.) Last summer the book was cited by the American Psychiatric Association and other groups in a "friend of the court" brief submitted to the Supreme Court in Lawrence v. Texas, a case challenging a Texas anti-sodomy law. The court struck down the law.

"Sexual Exuberance" was also cited in 2000 by gay rights groups opposed to Ballot Measure 9, a proposed Oregon statute prohibiting teaching about homosexuality or bisexuality in public schools. The measure lost.

In his book Mr. Bagemihl describes homosexual activity in a broad spectrum of animals. He asserts that while same-sex behavior is sometimes found in captivity, it is actually seen more frequently in studies of animals in the wild.

Among birds, for instance, studies show that 10 to 15 percent of female western gulls in some populations in the wild are homosexual. Females perform courtship rituals, like tossing their heads at each other or offering small gifts of food to each other, and they establish nests together. Occasionally they mate with males and produce fertile eggs but then return to their original same-sex partners. Their bonds, too, may persist for years.

Among mammals, male and female bottlenose dolphins frequently engage in homosexual activity, both in captivity and in the wild. Homosexuality is particularly common among young male dolphin calves. One male may protect another that is resting or healing from wounds inflicted by a predator. When one partner dies, the other may search for a new male mate. Researchers have noted that in some cases same-sex behavior is more common for dolphins in captivity.

Male and female rhesus macaques, a type of monkey, also exhibit homosexuality in captivity and in the wild. Males are affectionate to each other, touching, holding and embracing. Females smack their lips at each other and play games like hide-and-seek, peek-a-boo and follow the leader. And both sexes mount members of their own sex.

Paul L. Vasey, a professor of psychology and neuroscience at the University of Lethbridge in Canada, who studies homosexual behavior in Japanese macaques, is editing a new book on homosexual behavior in animals, to be published by Cambridge University Press. This kind of behavior among animals has been observed by scientists as far back as the 1700's, but Mr. Vasey said one reason there had been few books on the topic was that "people don't want to do the research because they don't want to have suspicions raised about their sexuality."

Some scientists say homosexual behavior in animals is not necessarily about sex. Marlene Zuk, a professor of biology at the University of California at Riverside and author of "Sexual Selections: What We Can and Can't Learn About Sex From Animals" (University of California Press, 2002), notes that scientists have speculated that homosexuality may have an evolutionary purpose, ensuring the survival of the species. By not producing their own offspring, homosexuals may help support or nurture their relatives' young. "That is a contribution to the gene pool," she said.

For Janet Mann, a professor of biology and psychology at Georgetown University, who has studied same-sex behavior in dolphin calves, their homosexuality "is about bond formation," she said, "not about being sexual for life."

She said that studies showed that adult male dolphins formed long-term alliances, sometimes in large groups. As adults, they cooperate to entice a single female and keep other males from her. Sometimes they share the female, or they may cooperate to help one male. "Male-male cooperation is extremely important," Ms. Mann said. The homosexual behavior of the young calves "could be practicing" for that later, crucial adult period, she added.

But, scientists say, just because homosexuality is observed in animals doesn't mean that it is only genetically based. "Homosexuality is extraordinarily complex and variable," Mr. Bagemihl said. "We look at animals as pure biology and pure genetics, and they are not." He noted that "the occurrence of same-sex behavior in animals provides support for the nurture side as well." He cited as an example the ruff, a type of Arctic sandpiper. There are four different classes of male ruffs, each differing from the others genetically. The two that differ most from each other are most similar in their homosexual behaviors.

Ms. Zuk said, "You have inclinations that are more or less supported by our genes and in some environmental circumstances get expressed." She used the analogy of right- or left-handedness, thought to be genetically based. "But you can teach naturally left-handed children to use their right hand," she pointed out.

Still, scientists warn about drawing conclusions about humans. "For some people, what animals do is a yardstick of what is and isn't natural," Mr. Vasey said. "They make a leap from saying if it's natural, it's morally and ethically desirable."

But he added: "Infanticide is widespread in the animal kingdom. To jump from that to say it is desirable makes no sense. We shouldn't be using animals to craft moral and social policies for the kinds of human societies we want to live in. Animals don't take care of the elderly. I don't particularly think that should be a platform for closing down nursing homes."

Mr. Bagemihl is also wary of extrapolating. "In Nazi Germany, one very common interpretation of homosexuality was that it was animalistic behavior, subhuman," he said.

What the animal studies do show, Ms. Zuk observed, is that "sexuality is a lot broader term than people want to think."

"You have this idea that the animal kingdom is strict, old-fashioned Roman Catholic," she said, "that they have sex just to procreate."

In bonobos, she noted, "you see expressions of sex outside the period when females are fertile. Suddenly you are beginning to see that sex is not necessarily about reproduction."

"Sexual expression means more than making babies," Ms. Zuk said. "Why are we surprised? People are animals."

[Tock]

No, that is not correct. The earliest fully documented case of HIV dates back to 1960. It was a preserved blood sample found and tested in 1980s. The high number of HIV cases in Africa comes from the lack of sex education. People don't know to use condoms to prevent the spread of the disease.

I'd heard that researchers suspect the virus goes back to the 1930's; they chanced across some documentation of how some folks in central Africa were dying of a disease with similar symptoms.
And supposedly, the virus originated in monkeys, and people came in contact with the monkeys because they were using them for food. After enough contact between the species, the virus finally mutated into a version that's fatal to humans. Not unlike the mutating viruses in asian chickens and cats.
-Tock

[Tock]

Came across this in todays New York Times.
______________________________________________

Love That Dare Not Squeak Its Name

February 7, 2004
By DINITIA SMITH

Roy and Silo, two chinstrap penguins at the Central Park Zoo in Manhattan, are completely devoted to each other. For nearly six years now, they have been inseparable. They exhibit what in penguin parlance is called "ecstatic behavior": that is, they entwine their necks, they vocalize to each other, they have sex. Silo and Roy are, to anthropomorphize a bit, gay penguins. When offered female companionship, they have adamantly refused it. And the females aren't interested in them, either.

Cool!
I like penguins, but I'm still not gonna get a tuxedo . . .
--Tock

[Big Rush]

Jimbeaux, judging from your name and post, you are most likely an LSU athelete....which makes you okay in my book...of course i would scorn your homosexuality of you were a sooner...

[peregrine]

does anyone else find it funny that the name of the gay penguins is "chinstrap"? for some reason that strikes me as hilarious. this thread just gets better and better.

[RP7]

does anyone else find it funny that the name of the gay penguins is "chinstrap"? for some reason that strikes me as hilarious. this thread just gets better and better.

[Carlos_E]

PR7 & Peregrine. Not intended as a flame.

From your sense of humor. It makes me wonder how old you 2 are. How old are you?

[Tock]

does anyone else find it funny that the name of the gay penguins is "chinstrap"? for some reason that strikes me as hilarious. this thread just gets better and better.

I don't get it . . .
-Tock

[RP7]

I don't get it . . .
-Tock

I dont think this thread should be hijacked to explain that one... look it up on google or something.

PR7 & Peregrine. Not intended as a flame.

From your sense of humor. It makes me wonder how old you 2 are. How old are you?

Dude I'm 20.... I live in a student house with 9 guys. We don't exactly conduct our conversations about life the same way I would with my dad. I'm simply a product of my environment... just like you!

But come on... this guy is pretty funny. Peregrine can I meet you?

[peregrine]

PR7 & Peregrine. Not intended as a flame.

From your sense of humor. It makes me wonder how old you 2 are. How old are you?

old enough to know that life is too short to be so serious about everything. this is just a stupid thread on a steroid forum on the internet. why would i take it serious? im not offended in the least. you dont know me and i dont know you so how could i be? its kind of hard to take things personal when i dont even know whos saying things. by the way carlos your quite a hunk of nubian flesh to answer your question though im 32. alot of people find my sense of humor very offensive. i just smile and tell them to eat sh*t

[peregrine]

I dont think this thread should be hijacked to explain that one... look it up on google or something.



Dude I'm 20.... I live in a student house with 9 guys. We don't exactly conduct our conversations about life the same way I would with my dad. I'm simply a product of my environment... just like you!

But come on... this guy is pretty funny. Peregrine can I meet you?

dude........ are you hitting on me?

[Carlos_E]

by the way carlos your quite a hunk of nubian flesh

I already have thickmass and a few others wishing I was gay. I guess I'll have to add you to the list.

[RP7]

Maybe

[peregrine]

I already have thickmass and a few others wishing I was gay. I guess I'll have to add you to the list.

lol. one comment and guys start getting gay delusions of grandeur. you dont actually have a list of gay guys that think your hot do you?

[Carlos_E]

lol. one comment and guys start getting gay delusions of grandeur. you dont actually have a list of gay guys that think your hot do you?

It doesn't matter to me. Female or male, anyone who thinks I'm hot it's a compliment. It doesn't mean they'll get any where, but it's still a compliment.

[peregrine]

i can respect that................

[nostawk]

ok, this is a little late in the thread but it'll give yall something to think about. Homosexual behavior does occur in many animals (including dolphins)


and im not gay but my opinion on it is "whatever floats your boat"

[Kato]

I can't help it. **** stinks, just like some of your posts. I am not going to ignore you, nor am I trying to be a biggest. I am trying to let YOU know that some of your comments are not necessary, just like I'm sure some of mine have been. GET OVER IT and quit being a schmuck about it.

exactly.......aimed @ you SW! can tell you have been a cop! today is the 1st time i read this thread so i'll comment on any **** post i feel like! for the umtenth time if ya don't like it don't open it!

and 50% why did you have to throw race in a gay thread? makes no sense! you out of anyone should know better!

and if anyone cares.....do what ya want, w/ whom you want, when you want and if someone doesn't like it tell them to go fuk themselves!

[Tock]

ok, this is a little late in the thread but it'll give yall something to think about. Homosexual behavior does occur in many animals (including dolphins)

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Yeah, right . . . and everybody knows it doesn't happen in Catholic Priests, either.
--Tock

[chicamahomico]

Would someone please pull my finger??