Why NOT to take TEST in every cycle

[RA]

YEAH BUDDY LOOK BACK AND FUC*KIN READ HOW THIS ACTUALLY STARTED AND THEN MAKE YOUR DUMB ASS COMMENTS...

IT SOUNDS TO ME THAT YOUR JUST EDJING THE SITUATION BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKE NEWBIES TALKIN SHIT TO SOMEONE WHES GETTIN FU*CKED WITH

AND IF YOU DID HAPPEN TO READ BACK YOULL CLEARLY SEE THAT MESOS DUMB ASS INSTAGATED THIS WHOLE THING...SOOO GOO BE A LITTLE KID AND GOO TEL THE MODS BUT YOU SHOULD ALSO TELL THEM ABOUT MESO NOT JUST ME ..IT SEEMS LIKE YOU JUST HATIN A NEWBIE FOR GETTIN OVER ON SOMEONE THAT CANT PUSH BACK VARY HARD WHEN IT COMES TO WORDS.....SOO MUCH JUICE IN HIS BRAIN HES DUMB AND CANT HANDLE HIMSLEF..."MESO"

Can you repeat that. Not enough capital letters and too much punctuation.

[Property of Steroid.com]

Stop the flames. I don't want to lock a thread that I suppose may have some potential....

[LB55blitz]

Just read this, I'm not really gonna flame so I edited it. But he is correct if you take the complete opposite.

Hmmm maybe I should try a fina/deca cycle. I bet that won't shut my HPTA down 100%. Yea right.

[dirtyvegas]

AND YES PUTTING YOUR FACE ON THE NET WAS NOT A SMART THING TO DO ESPECIALLY TO TELL EVERYONE WHAT UNIVERSITY YOU ATTENDED,,LOTS OF PEEPS COULD FIND OUT EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU NOW.. GEEEE...

I told him to block his face... But now I am glad he did not Andy Ross rutgers university.... Cool. This is nice info

AND FOR YOU:: YOUR JUST ALL TALK....

[dirtyvegas]

Ok Im Done With The Comments But Just Cause Im A Newbie Here And Havent Done Any Juice And Dont Have Like 5 Thousand Post Dont Mean That Im A Dumb Ass When It Comes To Bb Or Gear .i Like This Forum Alot Also This Thread...

[Swifto]

AND YES PUTTING YOUR FACE ON THE NET WAS NOT A SMART THING TO DO ESPECIALLY TO TELL EVERYONE WHAT UNIVERSITY YOU ATTENDED,,LOTS OF PEEPS COULD FIND OUT EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU NOW.. GEEEE...



AND FOR YOU:: YOUR JUST ALL TALK....

Can't you act like an adult?

[dirtyvegas]

Can you repeat that. Not enough capital letters and too much punctuation.

OK IN LAYMANS TERMS FOR YOU MAN, AND JUST FOR YOU......sry my caps were locked and i didnt realize it....sry

[Property of Steroid.com]

I suppose...at least Ross is making an effort....he's doing alot of silly things (i.e. comparing an injectable to orals, and just kind of brushing off the issue of sexual side effects, as well as not posting any studies to back up his claims)....

But lets keep the flames down...I got 10 reports on this thread this hour alone...

[Property of Steroid.com]

Everyone:

When I came here 1/2 a year ago as a mod...I was saying tons of different stuff also...I was telling everyone that weeks on/off was a bogus way to run clen , I was telling everyone not to use ECA while off clen to upgrade receptors...and I was the first person here (or anywhere) to discover and reccomend the use of Benadryl to upgrade your beta-2 receptors. Now everyone on this board and most others use Benadryl, and run clen the way I suggested...even though I met alot of resistence at first...

So...

We can't automatically dismiss this kid because he is suggesting something new....hell, it's what I did and what I still do!

But...

I always post studies and give you references to check my work, and see if I'm right. Ross hasn't posted one study backing up any of his claims. Until he does, there's really no reason to believe him. I don't.

[rfbulletdude]

well if there is one sure thing we can learn from all these replies, is that a common side effect, regardless of using test or not, is roid rage

[Swifto]

well if there is one sure thing we can learn from all these replies, is that a common side effect, regardless of using test or not, is roid rage

[abstrack]

alright. Dirty Vegas you can take a vacation and come back whenyou know how to act on the board. It is the internet for pete's sake. Just relax... take a nice 10 day vacation and come back when you are ready to chill.


If there is any more bickering or flaming going on the next person will join dirty vegas

[tbrocato]

I will tell you, some guy in the lounge was talking about how he feels and I told the guy to man up, and quit crying. For some reason this guy must have called me out as bouncer took care of his post.

Meso is always a common ****ing denominator between 2 people. Look at some of his previous post he always starts shit with someone else. That is why meso = slut!

[Booz]

AND YES PUTTING YOUR FACE ON THE NET WAS NOT A SMART THING TO DO ESPECIALLY TO TELL EVERYONE WHAT UNIVERSITY YOU ATTENDED,,LOTS OF PEEPS COULD FIND OUT EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU NOW.. GEEEE...



AND FOR YOU:: YOUR JUST ALL TALK....

just got one thing to say

muppet!!!!!

[TheMindOfRoss]

FIRST of all..LOL..my FIRST NAME is ROSS...not my last....Secondly..those pics are not NEW, and they HARDLY do MY BODY JUSTICE. Ill garuntee that in a picture that displays my shoulders, back and arms, you will all be impressed. I will do my best to get them up ASAP

ALSO....people keep saying "TREN IS MORE SUPRESSIVE THAN TEST"...well NOT if it is used for ONLY 2 weeek periods!!

[Mesomorphyl]

Meso is always a common ****ing denominator between 2 people. Look at some of his previous post he always starts shit with someone else. That is why meso = slut!

quit crying and quit worrying about me. I feel very popular the way people are following me around. *sniff sniff* Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa *sniff sniff* Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

[Mesomorphyl]

FIRST of all..LOL..my FIRST NAME is ROSS...not my last....Secondly..those pics are not NEW, and they HARDLY do MY BODY JUSTICE. Ill garuntee that in a picture that displays my shoulders, back and arms, you will all be impressed. I will do my best to get them up ASAP

ALSO....people keep saying "TREN IS MORE SUPRESSIVE THAN TEST"...well NOT if it is used for ONLY 2 weeek periods!!

Both your chronies were suspended... Play nice now

[tbrocato]

quit crying and quit worrying about me. I feel very popular the way people are following me around. *sniff sniff* Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa *sniff sniff* Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Truth hurts huh ?

[tbrocato]

FIRST of all..LOL..my FIRST NAME is ROSS...not my last....Secondly..those pics are not NEW, and they HARDLY do MY BODY JUSTICE. Ill garuntee that in a picture that displays my shoulders, back and arms, you will all be impressed. I will do my best to get them up ASAP

ALSO....people keep saying "TREN IS MORE SUPRESSIVE THAN TEST"...well NOT if it is used for ONLY 2 weeek periods!!

thats cool post more pics and show the haters!

[Mesomorphyl]

Yes more pics of you at 210 instead of 175, this time block out your face andy and if you have any recent tatoos block them out... well you might not have to on the tatoos if they are not logged into a database. But at least we get to see 19" arms... Mine are 18" with like 10% more bf than you and I thought my arms were big.

[Swifto]

[RA]

Everyone:

When I came here 1/2 a year ago as a mod...I was saying tons of different stuff also...I was telling everyone that weeks on/off was a bogus way to run clen , I was telling everyone not to use ECA while off clen to upgrade receptors...and I was the first person here (or anywhere) to discover and reccomend the use of Benadryl to upgrade your beta-2 receptors. Now everyone on this board and most others use Benadryl, and run clen the way I suggested...even though I met alot of resistence at first...

I am certain when you came in you were more respectful of ppls opinions.

We can't automatically dismiss this kid because he is suggesting something new....hell, it's what I did and what I still do!

But...

I always post studies and give you references to check my work, and see if I'm right. Ross hasn't posted one study backing up any of his claims. Until he does, there's really no reason to believe him. I don't.

This is def the main point. If there is a better way, Im all ears.

[tbrocato]

This is def the main point. If there is a better way, Im all ears.

hell yah I totaly agree. If you are that serious begin doing your on research and get that shit published!

[Whoisdaman]

alright. Dirty Vegas you can take a vacation and come back whenyou know how to act on the board. It is the internet for pete's sake. Just relax... take a nice 10 day vacation and come back when you are ready to chill.

I like vacations...

[RA]

FIRST of all..LOL..my FIRST NAME is ROSS...not my last....Secondly..those pics are not NEW, and they HARDLY do MY BODY JUSTICE. Ill garuntee that in a picture that displays my shoulders, back and arms, you will all be impressed. I will do my best to get them up ASAP

ALSO....people keep saying "TREN IS MORE SUPRESSIVE THAN TEST"...well NOT if it is used for ONLY 2 weeek periods!!

If your going to say things that go against the mainstream then back them up. In an earlier post someone challenged you to produce evidence and all you came back with is hearsay. If you want to give advice, start out w/imo blah blah blah. Dont say, you have to do it this way, trust me!

[Mesomorphyl]

Ok, here it goes... I apologize to anyone that got their feelings hurt by me at some point and time. I will be the FIRST to SAY I am SORRY. But can we PLEASE not TYPE in this FASHION anymore. It seemingly is GIVING me a HEADACHE. Peace to all.

[abstrack]

I like vacations...

how long would you like to go for? 1 year or more? name the time line my friend and you shall receive

[TheMindOfRoss]

I think this thread has MUTATED, from an EXPLANATION of WHY TEST is not PERFECT for EVERYONE in EVERY CYCLE, to an argument about TEST ALTOGETHER.

TEST is great, as I said before. I just don't believe it HAS to be the BASE of EVERY cycle--some cycles, not ALL. I believe that EXCESS testosterone use is due in part it's LOW price, high availability, and ADDICTIVE qualities. It is indeed very tempting and very gratifying to ADD TEST to every cycle...but is it THE SAFEST? (for THOSE who care), and is it REALLY THEMOST EFFECTIVE?

I also believe in 2 week, 3week, 4 week, 6 week, and 8 week cycles.

I also beleieve in LOW DOSAGES and a diversity of compounds.

These are the only thoughts I am trying to provoke.

NO ONE is going to DIE from one of my 4 week DBOL /VAR CYCLES.....

[TheMindOfRoss]

ok..no more CAPS..i get the pic...SORRY!

[RA]

I think this thread has MUTATED, from an EXPLANATION of WHY TEST is not PERFECT for EVERYONE in EVERY CYCLE, to an argument about TEST ALTOGETHER.

TEST is great, as I said before. I just don't believe it HAS to be the BASE of EVERY cycle--some cycles, not ALL. I believe that EXCESS testosterone use is due in part it's LOW price, high availability, and ADDICTIVE qualities. It is indeed very tempting and very gratifying to ADD TEST to every cycle...but is it THE SAFEST? (for THOSE who care), and is it REALLY THEMOST EFFECTIVE?

I also believe in 2 week, 3week, 4 week, 6 week, and 8 week cycles.

I also beleieve in LOW DOSAGES and a diversity of compounds.

These are the only thoughts I am trying to provoke.

NO ONE is going to DIE from one of my 4 week DBOL/VAR CYCLES.....

Well, its a start.

[Cmore]

He's not bashing test, only saying there are other ways of doing things, and that just because a cycle does not include test does not make it no good. Or at least this is what I gathered from it. Good to see this thread is back to a nice civil discussion.

[TheMindOfRoss]

He's not bashing test, only saying there are other ways of doing things, and that just because a cycle does not include test does not make it no good. Or at least this is what I gathered from it. Good to see this thread is back to a nice civil discussion.

BINGO! If I can only reach a few..it is worth it...

[Swifto]

I'm still waiting for these studies to back your claims up, then, and only then will I believe you.

[TheMindOfRoss]

I'm still waiting for these studies to back your claims up, then, and only then will I believe you.

I still don't understand WHICH studies you want. I searched PUb-MED and could not pull up the study demonstrating Testosterone supplementation decreased PLASMA test levels and LH/FSH by nearly 100%, whereas Dianabol only supressed LH 60% used in HIGH DOSAGES. I WILL FIND IT--as I have seen it. Furthermore, it has been shown that testosterone inhibition occurs more rapidly, due to the negative feedback loop that testosterone almost immediately triggers.

What is it that you don't BELIEVE? that TEST is more supressive? That SHORT cycles are SAFER? That LOW DOSAGES ARE EFFECTIVE? What exactly should I clear up?

[wilthepill123]

What exactly should I clear up?

Nobody here is going to believe a word you say until you show us some studies to back it up.

[diezell]

show me some studies and i will be the first person to try youre theorys, science normally dont lie

[TheMindOfRoss]

Nobody here is going to believe a word you say until you show us some studies to back it up.

Where are YOUR studies showing that TESTOSTERONE should be used as the base of EVERY cycle...

The only studies that are relevant are the ones that indicate how SUPRESSIVE testosterone is, especially compared to other mild anabolics.

And, anecdotal evidence from myself, and plenty more who have PMed me letting me know that they have shared similar positive experiences using some of the cycling schemes and ideas I have outlined. Most are simply scared to speak out against popular opinion--HELL, newbies are SCARED to ask about not using test in fear of being flamed.

I am happy to see A-R becoming more of a place to exchange information.

[wilthepill123]

I hope Hooker reads this thread and sets you straight Ross. You've lost any potential respect that you could have from older members and are leading newer members down the wrong path.

[keithquig]

i think that when u first start using AAS that using short cycles and low dosages are fine...as for the test issue i think that u should use test for most cycles but u dont need it in all cycles as he states...i myself ran eq, winny(injectable) cycle with great results in hardness and vascularity and gained close to a solid 10-12 lbs

[wilthepill123]

Where are YOUR studies showing that TESTOSTERONE should be used as the base of EVERY cycle...

The only studies that are relevant are the ones that indicate how SUPRESSIVE testosterone is, especially compared to other mild anabolics.

And, anecdotal evidence from myself, and plenty more who have PMed me letting me know that they have shared similar positive experiences using some of the cycling schemes and ideas I have outlined. Most are simply scared to speak out against popular opinion--HELL, newbies are SCARED to ask about not using test in fear of being flamed.

I am happy to see A-R becoming more of a place to exchange information.

Testosterone use is a well recognized dogma for a reason. It's tried and true effectiveness has been well known in the community since its introduction. If you are trying to disprove a commonly held belief YOU (thats right i can use caps to fag) are going to have to prove it to us with studies to back up your information.