Why NOT to take TEST in every cycle

[TheMindOfRoss]

I hope Hooker reads this thread and sets you straight Ross. You've lost any potential respect that you could have from older members and are leading newer members down the wrong path.

Hooker already stopped by and voiced his opinion. Why have I lost respect? Because I confer an ALTERNATIVE viewpoint? I have had GREAT success, so why whould I not offer my advices to others?

I am not saying MY way is the ONLy way. Simply--ANOTHER way. And furthermore, if anything, my advice is on teh SAFE side--LOW DOSAGES, MILD COMPOUNDS, SHORT CYCLES...

I am not harming anyone....

A gram of test is simply more dangerous than 40mgs of var, or 20mgs of dianabol (even 50!) or 500mgs of Primo. Dangerous, meaning greater chance of side effects.

[wilthepill123]

You're in good shape i'll admit that, but you have the body of a Calvin Klein model and it can be achieved without any assistance of steroids . You're 185 pounds and claim to be a steroid Guru? You're wrong. Dan Duchaine, L Rea, Bill Roberts. These are steroid gurus, all who know from experience that Test is best. Ill agree that some of your cycles work to an extent, if you want to look like a faggy Abercrombie and Fitch model, but for anything other than trying to look good for girls you're cycles arent worth shit.

[TheMindOfRoss]

Testosterone use is a well recognized dogma for a reason. It's tried and true effectiveness has been well known in the community since its introduction. If you are trying to disprove a commonly held belief YOU (thats right i can use caps to fag) are going to have to prove it to us with studies to back up your information.

Why have I lost respect because I offer an alternative viewpoint? I am not saying MY way is the ONLY way--just ANOTHER way.

You are NOT READING my posts--TEST is GREAT--test is KING.

Obviosuly testosterone is effective. NOT EVERYONE has the same goals. NOT EVERYONE wants to be AS BIG AS POSSIBLE, with little regard for safety issues. Some people are VERY CAUTIOUS. Some people are WILLING to SPEND MORE MONEY on more expensive drugs! Like I said, part of the reason it is ABUSED is due to its LOW price and HIGH availability--and its addictive qualities. Also, there are OTHER effective drugs.

[TheMindOfRoss]

You're in good shape i'll admit that, but you have the body of a Calvin Klein model and it can be achieved without any assistance of steroids. You're 185 pounds and claim to be a steroid Guru? You're wrong. Dan Duchaine, L Rea, Bill Roberts. These are steroid gurus, all who know from experience that Test is best. Ill agree that some of your cycles work to an extent, if you want to look like a faggy Abercrombie and Fitch model, but for anything other than trying to look good for girls you're cycles arent worth shit.

NEW PICS ARE COMING...the ones posted are OUTDATED and served ONLY as a TEMPORARY FIX for those who were QUESTIONING my AUTHENTICITY! I am currently 210, 6% BF. I am NOT A CK model. I am a bodybuilder.

[MR PHATT ASS]

..'bout every month, month and a something gets stirred up. weathered it be in the lounge or right here...i just basically read cause i'm always learning something new..But I'm more likely to go with the opinions of the vets, peeps thats been here for 2+ yrs or so..But I am thinking about a EQ/Deca cycle..and I know someone on here has tried it with great results::thus supporting the theroy of test doesn't have to be in every cycle...(although I'd run a low dose test with that eq/deca cycle)...see everything always changes...

[TheMindOfRoss]

"Is there any use for HCG in a 2 week cycle"

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do...ydra?id=201478


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MORE WITH BILL AND SHORT CYCLES
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do...ydra?id=178632

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HTPA Shutdown in over 2 weeks
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do...ydra?id=237163

[thephreak]

I could probably grow off dog shit if I ate enough of it but does that make it right? Great advice...

[TheMindOfRoss]

here we go....Im on a roll!

[Dear Bill,

You have mentioned being in favor of "shorter" steroid cycles to avoid suppression, and side effects. Could you give some examples of what you mean by the term "shorter"?

Dave

Two weeks on with short acting esters and orals, and four weeks off in between, using Clomid throughout and, if using aromatizable drugs, an antiaromatase while on those drugs.

I was thinking about 4 week cycles, one every 12 weeks with 8 weeks off between.

There is a special advantage to 2 weeks, because in the first two weeks of high androgen levels, pituitary response to LR releasing hormone (LHRH) not only does not decrease, it actually improves. After the two week point, the pituitary rapidly becomes fairly unresponsive to LHRH. Thus, both the hypothalamus (which produces LHRH) and the pituitary, which produces LH, must recover from inhibition.

As long as that is occurring anyway I am not sure that one might as well not go 6 or 8 weeks. Moderate length cycles like that are well proven. So is the 2 weeks on / 4 weeks off plan, although on far fewer subjects. The results of 4 weeks on are not known to me.]

[TheMindOfRoss]

Are we getting anywhere?

I sure hope so.

[TheMindOfRoss]

Lat spread....new ones coming...

[Badgerman]

Hate to say it but I haven't seen a picture in this forum that looks as good as any of the guys in the Olympic 100 m final......especially Mo Greene

[TheMindOfRoss]

This was at the beginning of my recent Var cycle.

[BlInDsIdE]

not a flame but ur back needs work.....

[MatrixGuy]

This was at the beginning of my recent Var cycle.

Looking good man, although you look like you spent too long on the sunbed!

[TheMindOfRoss]

not a flame but ur back needs work.....

Awful pic..I think I can persuade you otherwise with a new one!

[longhorn814]

you look good, but I find it hard to believe youre 210 lbs. A guy I work with who is sitting next to me looks almost exactly like you and he weighs 185.

[TheMindOfRoss]

I completely apologize if I came off like a know-it-all. I am just very eager to share some of my experiences with people on the board--especially when I see so many posts about lost sex drive or gyno/hairloss. You guys know for yourselves if you have Gyno, or erection problems, or hairloss. I know, and anyone who has seen my pictures knows, that I am completely healthy. I only want everyone to be able to enjoy this GREAT lifestyle--but to do it in a way that is safe and responsible.

I am sorry if I was rude, or offended anyone in anyway, in my relentless persuit of knowledge.

You guys are cool as shit.

[BlInDsIdE]

Awful pic..I think I can persuade you otherwise with a new one!

post ur legs while ur at it

[diezell]

you look good, but I find it hard to believe youre 210 lbs. A guy I work with who is sitting next to me looks almost exactly like you and he weighs 185.

I agree i was gonna say he weights around 180

[TheMindOfRoss]

I think this one is nice...

[Swifto]

I completely apologize if I came off like a know-it-all. I am just very eager to share some of my experiences with people on the board--especially when I see so many posts about lost sex drive or gyno/hairloss. You guys know for yourselves if you have Gyno, or erection problems, or hairloss. I know, and anyone who has seen my pictures knows, that I am completely healthy. I only want everyone to be able to enjoy this GREAT lifestyle--but to do it in a way that is safe and responsible.

I am sorry if I was rude, or offended anyone in anyway, in my relentless persuit of knowledge.

You guys are cool as shit.

You seem to have a great deal of knowledge and I think AR can benefit from that even if people agree/dis-agree with your views.

[BlInDsIdE]

ehh u r pretty cut, i'll give u that i'd say ur about 185 190

[BlInDsIdE]

You seem to have a great deal of knowledge and I think AR can benefit from that even if people agree/dis-agree with your views.

agreed

[TheMindOfRoss]

ehh u r pretty cut, i'll give u that i'd say ur about 185 190

The missing weight is in my legs and back....ill get those pics up today..I am 210, 6%BF...no need to lie.

[TheMindOfRoss]

Also..gotta remember...BF%! Have you ever been 6%? Weight can be decieveing....If I had some fat on me, Id be heavier.

[Swifto]

I am 6.8%

[KINGKONG]

Ive looked at your pictures and my little brother is bigger and more cut he's 23 about 240 6'4 and has never touched any kind of juice of any kind..Your results could have been acheived without AS..Iam not saying you look bad..Quite the opposite you have worked hard or have outstanding genetics, you look good bro..But what about me at 250 5'9 or my boys at the gym that are pushing 300lb's a peice and run test at a gram a wk/ minimum..Do you think thats possible with your var/d-boll cycle,let me answer that for you...NO it is not...

[Cuttup]

aaahhhh...........................America!

[4spain]

Ive looked at your pictures and my little brother is bigger and more cut he's 23 about 240 6'4 and has never touched any kind of juice of any kind..Your results could have been acheived without AS..Iam not saying you look bad..Quite the opposite you have worked hard or have outstanding genetics, you look good bro..But what about me at 250 5'9 or my boys at the gym that are pushing 300lb's a peice and run test at a gram a wk/ minimum..Do you think thats possible with your var/d-boll cycle,let me answer that for you...NO it is not...

We all have different goals for how we look. I can respect everyone at 250lbs+, it takes a lot of work to get there and with out Test it wouldn't have happened, but I don't want to be that big and there are a lot of people on this board like me. For me 220lbs is the around the most I want to weigh, so maybe what he has to say will benefit me and other people like me. Isn't this what this board is for?

[TheMindOfRoss]

Ive looked at your pictures and my little brother is bigger and more cut he's 23 about 240 6'4 and has never touched any kind of juice of any kind..Your results could have been acheived without AS..Iam not saying you look bad..Quite the opposite you have worked hard or have outstanding genetics, you look good bro..But what about me at 250 5'9 or my boys at the gym that are pushing 300lb's a peice and run test at a gram a wk/ minimum..Do you think thats possible with your var/d-boll cycle,let me answer that for you...NO it is not...

Your brother is 23, and 6'4, while I am 21, 5'10. YOU are HOW OLD, how many YEARS training? I am Benching almost 300 at MY WEIGHT. And YES, ARNOLD got to 240 by running d-bol/var, dbol /primo cycles, SO YOU COULD TOO. By the time I AM 24, I WILL BE 240! I COULD NOT BE over 200lbs at 5'10 by 21 YEARS OLD--without the help of anabolics. I trained relelntlessly for 6 years and I maxed out at 180.

You should PM me...I coul dwork out a very efective cycle for you..and you could be cycling MORE OFTEN! WITH MORE PERMANANT GAINS.

[KINGKONG]

We all have different goals for how we look. I can respect everyone at 250lbs+, it takes a lot of work to get there and with out Test it wouldn't have happened, but I don't want to be that big and there are a lot of people on this board like me. For me 220lbs is the around the most I want to weigh, so maybe what he has to say will benefit me and other people like me.

Then run 250mg of test a wk/
J/k run whatever you want or makes you grow...I like it when heads turn when I walk in a room.220 pounds is certainly not a small guy..But in a given place is he the biggest guy on the premesis,NO..I like being that guy...

[4spain]

Then run 250mg of test a wk/
J/k run whatever you want or makes you grow...I like it when heads turn when I walk in a room.220 pounds is certainly not a small guy..But in a given place is he the biggest guy on the premesis,NO..I like being that guy...

That is way cool, the guy I train with is about your size & I have a bunch of friends well over 250 & they are the ones that have been helping me w/ most of my training. I like training with guys bigger & stonger, it pushes me to catch up in strength

[wolfyEVH]

Lat spread....new ones coming...

back isnt impressive........we're still waiting for the leg pictures........

[KINGKONG]

Your brother is 23, and 6'4, while I am 21, 5'10. YOU are HOW OLD, how many YEARS training? I am Benching almost 300 at MY WEIGHT. And YES, ARNOLD got to 240 by running d-bol/var, dbol /primo cycles, SO YOU COULD TOO. By the time I AM 24, I WILL BE 240! I COULD NOT BE over 200lbs at 5'10 by 21 YEARS OLD--without the help of anabolics. I trained relelntlessly for 6 years and I maxed out at 180.

You should PM me...I coul dwork out a very efective cycle for you..and you could be cycling MORE OFTEN! WITH MORE PERMANANT GAINS.

I'll openly admit with me there is no such thing as cycling...Iam always on..I just go down to a 200-250mg a wk dose for a period of time then run maybe a gram of enth and a gram of EQ and maybe 100mg of var a day,oh and my growth too...My question to you ross??How many compounds have you experimented with to be giving this kind of advice to a group of men who have a million cycles and years training between them...I avoid toxic orals at this point but have tried them..I also eat good and get bloodwork done regularly and have never had a negative test yet...I still have a natural testoterone and use HCG and trib to keep my chances of kids there and Iam 25 by BTW I beleive you asked...But forget about me for a sec and focus on your 21 bro..You have alot to learn, but I like your head and your "Iam right" attitude..So like I said before I hope to see you around the boards..

[KINGKONG]

That is way cool, the guy I train with is about your size & I have a bunch of friends well over 250 & they are the ones that have been helping me w/ most of my training. I like training with guys bigger & stonger, it pushes me to catch up in strength

Me too..You should see the guys I train with..They wear me out and are all stronger than me..I love it...Just pushes me like you said...

[4spain]

Then run 250mg of test a wk/
J/k run whatever you want or makes you grow...I like it when heads turn when I walk in a room.220 pounds is certainly not a small guy..But in a given place is he the biggest guy on the premesis,NO..I like being that guy...

By the way I am running 250mg/week, but with HGH 3ius 5/2, 4 month cutting cycle

[KINGKONG]

By the way I am running 250mg/week, but with HGH 3ius 5/2, 4 month cutting cycle

Thats a nice healthy little cutting cycle..Thats something I would have run three years ago..It went from 250 to 500 to 750 now Iam at a gram..The bigger you get the more it seems you have to run..It's kinda a endless hole..I promised myself 1 gram was the highest I was going to take my test...So far Iam holding true to that..

[4spain]

Thanks everyone! I am officially done with this thread. I will never look at it again!

[Powrlftr]

Your brother is 23, and 6'4, while I am 21, 5'10. YOU are HOW OLD, how many YEARS training? I am Benching almost 300 at MY WEIGHT. And YES, ARNOLD got to 240 by running d-bol/var, dbol /primo cycles, SO YOU COULD TOO. By the time I AM 24, I WILL BE 240! I COULD NOT BE over 200lbs at 5'10 by 21 YEARS OLD--without the help of anabolics. I trained relelntlessly for 6 years and I maxed out at 180.

You should PM me...I coul dwork out a very efective cycle for you..and you could be cycling MORE OFTEN! WITH MORE PERMANANT GAINS.

I thought you agreed to stop using CAPS every OTHER word ......

[EatRite]

heres my take on this whole thing... you have limited experience... you think that your few cycles will continue to give you good results... imo, you have very little experience, and don't understand diminishing marginal returns... i would bet that u COULD gain some keepable gains with a dbol var cycle, but i would ALSO bet that the marginal gains from that cycle would decrease MUCH MORE rapidly than a cycle with test...