Clen Faq. You better like it it took me ages.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 01-24-2007, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by wham_sucker

hey man, great thread.

i was wondering if you knew how liver toxic clen can be if at all?

cheers

Thx guys. Clen is not known to be liver toxic at within our dosage ranges.

**Jiesel** · 01-24-2007, 04:00 PM

ur the man for being a clen guru

**fatrock** · 01-24-2007, 04:21 PM

Clenbuterol is a very interesting and remarkable compound. It is not a steroid hormone but a beta-2-symphatomimetic. Clenbuterol, above all, has a strong anti-catabolic effect, which means it decreases the rate at which protein is reduced in the muscle cell, consequently causing an enlargement of muscle cells. For this reason, numerous athletes use Clenbuterol after steroid treatment to balance the resulting catabolic phase and thus obtain maximum strength and muscle mass. A further aspect of Clenbuterol is its distinct fat-burning effect. Clenbuterol burns fat without dieting because it increases the body temperature slightly, forcing the body to burn fat for this process. Due to the higher body temperature Clenbuterol magnifies the effect of anabolic /androgenic steroids taken simultaneously, since the protein processing is increased.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 01-24-2007, 04:34 PM

the anti catabolic effects are based on animal studies. Human studies have not showed clen to be anabolic or even anti catabolic. It is all based on heresay from those who use it.

**shark333** · 01-24-2007, 06:07 PM

hey bro does this go for females to ?

***perfectbeast2001*** · 01-24-2007, 06:16 PM

^which bit^ if you mean the dosing ect then I would suggest females start at 20mcg and work up from there. Many females have reported being hyper sensitive to clen , They have complained of sicknes/vomiting at higher doses.

**Seal4life** · 01-27-2007, 05:22 PM

Thanks for taking the time to write all that I referred it to my friends as well. I just learned so much, again thanks.

**oc pitbull** · 01-27-2007, 05:27 PM

i read this thread everynight before i go to bed. ha

**mamias20918756** · 01-28-2007, 05:21 PM

beast i was interested on the kind of diet you were following while on clen .
My gf is going to be using it for fat loss purposes and i would like to know what should her carb macros look like?
I mean a lot of people like to keep their carbs low while on clen, when others choose to keep them in moderate ranges, but what really is better when aiming for maximum fatloss with minimum muscle loss?
Thanx in advance bro

***perfectbeast2001*** · 01-28-2007, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by mamias20918756

beast i was interested on the kind of diet you were following while on clen .
My gf is going to be using it for fat loss purposes and i would like to know what should her carb macros look like?
I mean a lot of people like to keep their carbs low while on clen, when others choose to keep them in moderate ranges, but what really is better when aiming for maximum fatloss with minimum muscle loss?
Thanx in advance bro

I have used clen while in pct and for cutting. im guessing you would be more interested in the cutting use. I usually carb cycle, last cut low carb day was about 80g carbs 400g pro 80g fat and high day would have been 300g carbs 300g pro 80g fat.
A copy of my current diet (although i have started cutting so a few tweaks have been made) can be seen here. my diet to sustain weight until january.
I am now carb cycling using the off days as low carb days.

**mamias20918756** · 01-28-2007, 05:41 PM

thanx bro ur diet log is very interesting, i'll keep an eye on it

Thanx again bro and good luck with ur pct

**oc pitbull** · 01-30-2007, 12:36 AM

BEAST! if i take benadryl everynight to go to sleep is it going to effect my muscles?

**oc pitbull** · 01-30-2007, 03:34 PM

bump

***perfectbeast2001*** · 01-30-2007, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by oc pitbull

BEAST! if i take benadryl everynight to go to sleep is it going to effect my muscles?

not as far as i am aware.

**lifterjaydawg** · 01-30-2007, 09:20 PM

I love this thread. Every answer you could ever need. Clen is great.

**oc pitbull** · 01-31-2007, 12:34 AM

ya i cant wait

**Markosterone** · 01-31-2007, 04:18 AM

Hi beast!

I spoke to a fiend of mine who used clen several years ago and i asked how he used it.

he told me he was using it 2 days on, and 2 days off.

have you ever tried this method ? is it any good ?

//Mac

***perfectbeast2001*** · 01-31-2007, 04:21 AM

yes that method used to be very popular. However new methods are far more effective. There really is no longer any need for off time with the addition of anti-histamines to the cycle. Even without using anti-histamines 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off makes much more sense as it gives you a longer run on the clen and allows you to build dose slowly.

**Markosterone** · 01-31-2007, 04:41 AM

ok, thx.

i got another question for you, since you have done both i would like your opinion on it.

im looking into doeing my first AS cycle soon, and im thinking of doing the clen first, to loos some fat, and then do the AS.

what would give me best results you think ?
doing the clen first, then the AS, or the other way around...?

//Mac

***perfectbeast2001*** · 02-04-2007, 05:07 AM

If you are overweight then the first thing you need to do is sort out your diet so it is 100%. Then think about clen when you plateau on your cutting diet. When you reach a reasonalbe BF it may be time for AS. Check out my "things to consider" FAQ in sig.

**billyd** · 02-14-2007, 11:53 AM

I want to thank Beast for the great post on clen .I'm 57 years old 5' 11" was 213 Body fat was 18%.I could not loose my love handles no matter how much cardio i did.I'm on my 8th day of a clen cycle.I lost 10lbs.and my body fat is down to 16%.The fat around my waist is melting away.I'm starting to see my abs.I started at 60mcg for the 1st 3 days,last 5 days at 80mcg.I split my dosage 4 hours apart.The side affects are more tolerable for me with a split dosage.I took all 80mcg 1 day and i was to wired.Side affects are not to bad slight shaking of the hands,little back cramps if i get up to fast i get real lightheaded.I think i'll stay with 80mcg for the rest of my cycle.Total 1 month.On the 3rd week i'll do the benadryl at nite.I take 5 grams of taurine a day and 500mgs of potassium a day.This must help with the cramping.Mine has been slight.Thanks again for the great post

**athlete20** · 02-14-2007, 05:21 PM

This is what I'll be running very soon and I was wondering if Clen would be ok to add to the PCT?

Sostenol 250:
Week 1: AI Cycle Support (x2 servings)
Week 2: AI Cycle Support (x2)
Week 3: Sostenol 250 (x1)/AI Cycle Support (x2)/***Arimidex (0.5mg/ed), ***only if gyno-issues should arise
Week 4: Sostenol 250 (x2)/AI Cycle Support (x2)/***Arimidex (0.5mg/ed)
Week 5: Sostenol 250 (x2)/AI Cycle Support (x2)/***Arimidex (0.5mg/ed)
Week 6: PCT*/AI Cycle Support (x2)
Week 7: PCT*/AI Cycle Support (x2)
Week 8: PCT*/AI Cycle Support (x2)
Week 9: PCT*/AI Cycle Support (x2)

*PCT:
Week 6: Clomid (105mg), Aromasin (25mg)
Week 7: Clomid (105mg), Aromasin (25mg)
Week 8: Clomid (70mg), Aromasin (25mg)
Week 9: Clomid (70mg), Aromasin (25mg)

I will also be taking taurine (2-3g/day) for back pumps and additional Milk Thistle just to be safe. And for lethargy, I will be taking Ester Vitamin C (6g/day) and Vitamin E (400 IU pre/post workout). Ceatine will be used during PCT.

**athlete20** · 02-14-2007, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by athlete20

This is what I'll be running very soon and I was wondering if Clen would be ok to add to the PCT?

Sostenol 250:
Week 1: AI Cycle Support (x2 servings)
Week 2: AI Cycle Support (x2)
Week 3: Sostenol 250 (x1)/AI Cycle Support (x2)/***Arimidex (0.5mg/ed), ***only if gyno-issues should arise
Week 4: Sostenol 250 (x2)/AI Cycle Support (x2)/***Arimidex (0.5mg/ed)
Week 5: Sostenol 250 (x2)/AI Cycle Support (x2)/***Arimidex (0.5mg/ed)
Week 6: PCT*/AI Cycle Support (x2)
Week 7: PCT*/AI Cycle Support (x2)
Week 8: PCT*/AI Cycle Support (x2)
Week 9: PCT*/AI Cycle Support (x2)

*PCT:
Week 6: Clomid (105mg), Aromasin (25mg)
Week 7: Clomid (105mg), Aromasin (25mg)
Week 8: Clomid (70mg), Aromasin (25mg)
Week 9: Clomid (70mg), Aromasin (25mg)

I will also be taking taurine (2-3g/day) for back pumps and additional Milk Thistle just to be safe. And for lethargy, I will be taking Ester Vitamin C (6g/day) and Vitamin E (400 IU pre/post workout). Ceatine will be used during PCT.

Bump...

perfectbeast?

***perfectbeast2001*** · 02-25-2007, 05:48 PM

yes clen would be fine to add as long as you are aware of all possible sides associated with its use.

**GOT FIGHT?** · 02-25-2007, 07:37 PM

Thi Should Be An Automatic Read For Any Clen Posts In The Future

**Seattle Junk** · 02-25-2007, 08:28 PM

This is the worst post I've ever read! Haha, you know I'm jokin'... Good job PB.

**jaim91** · 02-27-2007, 08:09 PM

If the bottle my friend has is Ventripulmin, which is 0.025 mg/ml, would her dosages start at 1 ml?? (which I believe to be equivalent to 25 mcg)

**HSFootball** · 03-02-2007, 01:08 AM

You never answered if clen is a steroid or not.

**ffernan274** · 03-02-2007, 12:45 PM

perfect beast thanks for the information I went to arr since you wrote of approved sites and ordered the clen and t3 combo you wrote some people claim to be inmune to clen I might be one as well but I will find out when this product comes then I will know if I bought bad (fake) clen before! thanks

**firefighteremt153** · 03-06-2007, 04:47 PM

im confused, what is T3 and is it something i should be taking when i start my clen ?

**kungen1234** · 03-06-2007, 06:56 PM

T3 is a thyroidhormone, the most "potent" one. It can be taken with clen , however it should really be considered when you've stopped losing fat in your diet, since most likely it's your thyroidlevels that are shot all to hell. However, if this is for recreational fatloss you should consider androgens and a diet. T3 and clen is after all best used for contest preparation.

As for me, i'll never touch clen again, I developed chronic atrial fibrillation that persisted for 6 months before I was treated by being shocked with a defibrillator twice under anesthesia. This of course does not mean that you will experience the same thing as I did, im just pertaining that it MIGHT happen. My other stats at that time was 232lbs 18%BF 22yrs old 6'2 male.
I was running my first ever clen cycle Week1: 50mcg Week 2: 100mcg Week 3:100mcg Week4:150mcg

The atrial fibrillation didnt hit me in anyway, I just noticed that my heart beat was funny one day short after the clen cycle, and it never went away for the following 6 months. I had to eat a bloodthinner for 8weeks before they would remit me to the electroconversion, and continue to eat it 4 weeks postprocedure.

Of course I could not workout during these 6 months, too much a risk with both bloodclots and other potential cardiac emergencies. Couple that inactivity with a lower diet and all my gains went out the window. Im now thanks to the fact that the procedure actually worked(first time they shocked me the atrial fibrillation still persisted) that im picking up the scraps. And I will have to think about this and be precautious for the rest of my life. High BP must be avoided at all costs, and that can become tricky when you use anabolic androgenic steroids .

Morale of the story? There are possible acute cardiac risks associated with clenbuterol , they are to some extent documented with scientific case-studies of unintentional overdoses of clenbuterol, where surprise surprise the condition in question is atrial fibrillation! They are however much more intense and severe than in my case and thus treated as an emergency(which basically means they had more severe and noticeable symptoms and rushed to the ER where they were defibrillated on spot, it is riskfree to defibrillate within 48hrs in terms of bloodclots forming. So if you DO notice any heart irregularities during your clencycle RUSH to the hospital, unless you ENJOY eating a blood-thinner for >8wks before being treated).

**firefighteremt153** · 03-07-2007, 10:59 AM

thanks kungen, yeah done alot of research on the clen and i am aware of the pros and cons. so what kind of an androgen do you recommend? im not really familier with them.

**kungen1234** · 03-07-2007, 12:37 PM

Doesnt really matter per se, as long as you have a calorie deficit almost any androgen will suffice to keep the nitrogen balance positive.

However, popular choices are DHT-derivatives, such as masteron , trenbolone , winstrol etc. They are popular since they do not aromatize into estrogen, hence do not contribute to accumulating water-retention during the cycle giving you a "hard" look while shedding fat.

**Juciy Gear** · 03-07-2007, 07:02 PM

This is a great thread! Thanks Beast!
BUMP

**mahdi** · 03-09-2007, 12:15 AM

hi
i want to know how i should use clen /t3 combo???
i should pump it in my oral or i should mix it by another jiuce ... and then drink it??
please advise
BR

**WontQuit** · 03-09-2007, 05:46 PM

Just out of curiosity....

If your diet is spot on, and you are losing weight, you are strict about workouts etc...

Why couldnt you take Clen to boost your metabolism and help shed the pounds?

I am not sure why this would be a problem?

People take Ephedrine, Yohimbe, Caffine etc... all the time to lose weight. It seems to me that Clen is just a stronger stimulant than those.

Am I wrong?

**ITripMidgets** · 03-11-2007, 01:52 AM

PerfectBeast I have a question for you.....I read the entire thread and noone asked you this....If you are comfortable running 140mcg/day then why do you even pyrmid up the dose anymore. Why don't you go to 140mcg/day strait away?

Just wondering because I used clen before and 80mcg was good for me so I was just gonna use that amount again starting on the first day.

Any Input?

BG · 03-11-2007, 03:36 PM

^^^^^

**midnightman** · 03-17-2007, 09:34 PM

Thanks for the hard work!

**Rukuss79** · 03-18-2007, 08:54 AM

I take an albuterol inhaler as needed, which is like 3 to 4 times a day. Im gonna assume my tolerance for clen would be higher? My bp is like usually 139/87, im 23 6'4" 330lbs, high body fat, diet starts with clen, and my training is 45 mins of lifting and cardio 3x a week. Im contemplating Clen and any info would be helpful, even tough criticsm. Thanks.