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    correct day 15 -21 benadryl (while still taking the clen ) then just clen until day 35 when you would take the benadryl again (while still on the clen) you could repeat this cycle for as long as needed. Long term clen use is not good for you BTW.

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    gotcha thx again!

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    woohoo i got a kiss!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001
    If you are in UK don't get benadryl as they use a different composition here. You need to get Nytol or boots own brand sleepease (cheaper), both contain 50mg Diphenhydramine, this is the active ingredient you are looking for to upregulate receptors.

    thanks for that info,i need it.

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    no problem helium, gimme a kiss too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helium3
    prude!

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    dont you start,suppose you wanna kiss as well?

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    ive been on clen for 7 days weight starting to shift now,i dont like the shrinking part but i need to see how i go.gonna pick myself some nytol or boots version this week.im only gonna run it for 4 weeks in [email protected] max,im @80mcg at the moment.

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    Hey Heliem, what do you mean you dont like the shrinking part?

    And beast, what do you consider "long term" (Months, Years, ect.) Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGIZZLE8629
    Hey Heliem, what do you mean you dont like the shrinking part?



    And beast, what do you consider "long term" (Months, Years, ect.) Thanks.
    yeah its just when the fat starts to disappear your overall size drops a little.

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    ok cool. thats what I thought you meant, but I wanted to be sure. I am going to start a 5-10 week cycle pretty soon. Any advice other than what is stated in this thread? Thanks

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    I would call long term 4+ months

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    Good thread just recentley read it, alot of good info for everyone thanks PB, ive used clen many ways over the years and for me ive always gone back to 2 wks on 2 wks off, this works wonders for me and i think clen is very valuable in any pct cycle,

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    thanks Marcus, I'm running it for PCT now, It's leaning me up nicely with hardly any loss of muscle or strength so it's all good to me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001
    Clen FAQ

    After reading and answering the same questions every week I decided to write this FAQ. Hopefully it will answer the most commonly asked questions about Clen and also dispel some of the myths and untruths associated with it. I have a lot of personal experience with Clen. I used to weigh over 315lbs at over 30%BF. With a good diet and the help of Clen I managed to shed over 100lbs of fat, finally tipping the scales at 180lbs and under 9%BF. I will not be including huge amounts of technical and scientific info as many will find that boring and the idea is that someone new to Clen can glean some useful info from here without falling asleep! If you wish to get more technical then check out Anthony Roberts' Clen profile in the "steroid profile" section of the forum

    Q. What is Clen?

    A. Clenbuterol is a prescription drug. It is a bronchodilator which means it is given to patients to improve bronchial airflow (helps people breathe easier). It is commonly prescribed to asthmatics and for many other illnesses which cause breathing difficulty. Clen is often self administered as an "off label" fat loss drug. Many have used this compound to shed pounds very effectively.

    Q I have a liquid/tablet/spray is this ok?

    A. Clen is available in a variety of guises. The most common being tablets typically in the 20mcg format. I have also seen them dosed at 25mcg and 40mcg. There is a syrup solution which was once popular on prescription but this is not often seen now. A growing market is the "research chem" market. These are chemicals marketed towards lab experimentation (therefore bypassing strict laws about selling prescription meds) but are actually meant for consumption by the customer. The Clen from these companies is usually sold in a vial or spray bottle and the compound is suspended in solvent. The solution is dropped into the mouth with an oral or normal syringe or some are supplied with a spray which gives a measured dose orally. Much like UGLs the quality of these research chem products varies widely. Some are under or over dosed while others contain no active ingredients at all. The best advice is to find a recommended source that people you trust have used successfully. I would recommend using ARR as I feel Lion offers quality products and service. The reason people buy from research chem companies is that the compounds would be hard to obtain otherwise and the chem companies are usually much cheaper than human grade. Make sure you take note of the dosage on the product you are buying. Last but not least there are a couple of injectable versions. There are prescription injectables that to be honest are pretty rare now days. One injectable version is gaining quite a following though. Helios is a mix of Clen and Yohimbine and is designed to be used for spot fat loss (the area injected will have fat loss). Users of this product have been very happy with it. I do not know the dosage schedules for injectable products so do some good research if you are going to use them.

    Q. Will It Harm Me?

    A. Clen has been shown in some studies to cause heart problems. These studies were conducted on animals and they were given very large doses. It may also be possible to do yourself some permanent and possibly serious harm if you took a large overdose. With Clen more does not = better! I have never met or spoken to anyone who has been harmed as a direct result of using Clen. This does not mean it won't happen though. Like all drugs caution should be used and one should be very aware that there could be possible side effects.

    Q. What Are The Side Effects and how do I cope with them?

    A. Clens side effects include - high blood pressure, shaking, headaches, cramps, insomnia and increased heart rate/palpitations. While using Clen I would advise you monitor your blood pressure. The machines for this can be bought extremely cheaply at a chemist and are invaluable if you use Clen and/or AS. If your BP is high then lower the dose or discontinue until normal BP is attained. Shaking is a common side effect. While on Clen I get shaky hands when I am writing or performing intricate tasks. If you find you are shaking too much/all the time then you may try lowering the dose and then bringing it back up slowly over a few days. Headaches are fairly common. Be careful they are not a result of high BP. If they are not then taking an OTC painkiller will cure your problem. Cramps while on Clen are associated with Taurine. Taurine is an amino acid that is present in the body. Clen affects the body’s level of Taurine and this can sometimes cause cramps. Supplementing Taurine (I take 2g pre workout and 2g PWO) should cure this. If you still have cramps try supplementing with potassium and examine your salt intake (make sure it’s not too high) these are not Clen related but could help with the cramps! Insomnia is common if Clen is taken to near to bed time, basically make sure your last dose is taken 5-6 hours before bed. Saying that Clen has a long half-life (over 30 hours) so sometimes you may try lowering the dose if it is really affecting sleep. Another remedy may be to take some Valerian root before bed to help you sleep. If you have palpitation then lower dose or discontinue. You may want to check with a doctor as heart problems are no joke and should not be ignored. I think I have covered the most common side effects but there are probably many others that relate to the individual. If you believe you have serious or worrying sides, go see the doc.

    Q. OK I Want To Take It But How?

    A. Well there are several popular dosing protocols with Clen. It boils down to maybe trying them and finding out which one works/feels comfortable for you. Clen differs in dosage and effects from each individual. Some people claim that they are completely immune to the effects of Clen and it does not help them at all, although I have never seen any scientific reasoning behind it. However enough people have said it for there to be some truth in it. The most important thing to remember when using Clen is that the body quickly becomes tolerant to it. Clen down regulates receptors in the body and eventually (usually in the second or third week) results have slowed to a stop. For this reason Clen has a variety of dosage protocols designed to prevent this down regulation. Firstly we need to start at a low dose and slowly build up to a dose that is effective but not uncomfortable. I would recommend starting at 60mcg. Stay at that dosage for three days then up the dose by 20mcg. Repeat this process until you reach a dosage where you can really feel the Clen working (slight shakes, slightly faster HR). You may want to take your body temp daily while doing this. An effective dose will raise the body temp by about 1/2 a degree. You can also monitor when it becomes ineffective as temp will drop back to normal. My Clen dosage looks some thing like this when I'm starting.


    Day 1 60mcg
    Day 2 60mcg
    Day 3 60mcg
    Day 4 80mcg
    Day 5 80mcg
    Day 6 80mcg
    Day 7 100mcg
    Day 8 100mcg
    Day 9 100mcg
    Day 10 120mcg
    Day 11 120mcg
    I normally stop at 120mcg as this dosage works for me with minimal sides.

    I take all my Clen in the AM before cardio. Many don't lie to take it all at once and split the dosage throughout the day. I find that if I do this the last dose affects my sleep and I quite like feeling a bit "wired" in the morning! Some people will stop using Clen at day 14. They will then take 14 days off to allow the beta receptors to up regulate. They can then recommence and the Clen will be effective again for a further 14 days. More recently it has become fashionable to use an antihistamine compound to up regulate the beta receptors while remaining on Clen. This is my preferred method. There are two ways I know of doing this.

    1. use zaditen/ketoifen taken at 2-3mg per day along with the Clen. Users report staying on for 12 weeks plus and the Clen is still effective. The downside is that many people get very drowsy using these compounds and are unable to train properly.

    2. Take 50mg of Benadryl or another antihistamine containing 50mg of diphenhydrmine (sleep ease from boots chemist if you are in UK!) every night during every third week while you are on Clen. So I would dose my Clen as usual and at day 21 I would add the Benadryl every night for 7 nights. Discontinue the Benadryl until day 42 and repeat. I favour this method as it helps me sleep and does not affect my performance in the day. I believe we can thank Anthony Roberts for this method.

    There is another method that I have seen many people using. It is common to use the 2 weeks on 2 weeks off method but use ECA (ephedrine,caffiene,aspirin) during the off weeks. This method is totally pointless and counter productive. The whole point of taking two weeks off is to allow beta receptors to up regulate making Clen effective again. ECA down regulates these receptors (plus hitting a load of others) just like Clen. Therefore the receptors never up regulate and Clen + ECA becomes ineffective.

    Q. How do I come off?

    A. I normally lower the dose slowly day by day until I am off as I don’t like to suddenly shocking the body, however there is no evidence to say it is detrimental to come straight off it is just my personal choice.


    Well I hope that has answered some questions. I will update/add to this when I think of anything new!

    PB.

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    j/k bro. thats some quality information

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    Quote Originally Posted by helium3
    ive been on clen for 7 days weight starting to shift now,i dont like the shrinking part but i need to see how i go.gonna pick myself some nytol or boots version this week.im only gonna run it for 4 weeks in [email protected] max,im @80mcg at the moment.

    oh man... i love clen and i think its absolutely essential for pct, but i dont really like the way it makes me feel. i shake alot when im on it too.

    haha, back in the day, my girls father saw me when i was on some good clen, and he thought i was on meth or cocaine or something


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    very good info answered all my qeustions and will be in my pct and fat loss cycle to come

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    great post beast!!!!

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    why isn't this thread a sticky yet?

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    dont know. It definately should be.

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    Thanks for all the info. great post

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    I agree....this should be a sticky.

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    New to Clen

    Hello,
    I just received my Clen and started it on Tue. I am getting really bad headaches... Can I take advil or something.

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    good piece

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    Quote Originally Posted by glovesf
    Hello,
    I just received my Clen and started it on Tue. I am getting really bad headaches... Can I take advil or something.

    What dosage did you take??

    Try taking an aspirin as this normally helps, but do not ignore the fact that you've got a headache!!

    How much do you weigh?? Do you suffer from allergies??


    I'd be looking to drop your dose to 20mcg then increase by 20mcg every other day to a max of 100mcg. If you don't get headaches doing it this way it just means that you took much too early and everything should be ok.

    Jay

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    I get headaches during the first two weeks of clen . I just take OTC painkillers like aspirin or paracetamol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001
    I get headaches during the first two weeks of clen. I just take OTC painkillers like aspirin or paracetamol.
    Beast, as you know the headaches aren't really a problem might i sugest that you take paracetamol or better still Ibuprofen. Aspirin has a marked Anti-Pyretic effect and so will knock back the thermogenic effect which you want from the Clen !!


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    good plan I will stick to paracetomol. I would not use Ibuprofen for anything as they have been shown to prevent muscle growth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001
    good plan I will stick to paracetomol. I would not use Ibuprofen for anything as they have been shown to prevent muscle growth.

    Interesting!! I haven't heard of this but shall investigate!!

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    Beast....

    Intesrestingly enough it turns out that this is true to action against the COX enzymes. However, Paracetamol has ben shown to have a more mared efect on protein snthesis and so muscle growth than Iburofen.

    Just spoke to matey at the pharmacy and he confirmed what I've read, they try to avoid giving people with muscle wasting Paracetamol type producs due to this.

    I've just read a study carried out by a uniersity in USA that paracetamol caused 14% decrease in the COX enzyme, whereas Ibuprofen caused only a 1% derease. Matey's advice was to go another way about it and use an opiate based painkiller like codeine, or dihydrocodeine. He reckons that Paramol from the chemists is the est bet without prescription which contains paracetamol and dihydrocodeine!!


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    What about acetaminophen? That's what I've used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vermin
    What about acetaminophen? That's what I've used.

    Thats paracetamol!!

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    Never heard it called that. Ibuprofen interferes with blood thinners. What is the COX2 effect of aspirin? It might be the best choice for some in spite of it potentially interfering with the clen .

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    Quote Originally Posted by vermin
    Never heard it called that. Ibuprofen interferes with blood thinners. What is the COX2 effect of aspirin? It might be the best choice for some in spite of it potentially interfering with the clen.
    So far as I can find, pretty much 90% of all the analgesics affect the COX enzymes. The exception to this is opiate ased analgesics which act in a totally different manner!!

    So that would rule out Paracetamol, Aspirin, Ibuprofen, Sulfadine etc etc

    Codeine, Dihydrocodeine and morphine don't affect COX enzymes.

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    nubain it is then! J/K man ill just put up with the first two weeks of headaches!! Good info jay

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    Quote Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001
    nubain it is then! J/K man ill just put up with the first two weeks of headaches!! Good info jay
    Nubain is an incredibly good drug, but only if you have the will power to take it when needed and not recreationally!!

    A good friend of mine is hooked on it, he just didnt have the wil to give it up. But the pain relief is superb!!

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    Hey beast, how much BODYFAT do you think I should expect to lose during an 8 week cycle of CLEN with the proper dieting and cardio (about 20-30 minutes everyday) and weight lifting about 4 days/wk?

    Also, is it ok to continue to take my regular supplements while on clen?
    ***** Complex, Glutamine, Multivitamin(has lots of everything in it), Glucosamine, Pre-Workout mix (arginine, glutamine, caffeine, creatine ect..), BCAAs, Chromium Picolinate, Whey Protein, and ofcourse 2-3mg/day of Taurine?? I figured it would be ok to take continue to regularly take all of this stuff but I it is the CAFFEINE i am most worried about.
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