My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

**Livingabetterlife** · 07-08-2022, 05:43 PM

Super useful info here. Thank you so much

**Livingabetterlife** · 07-08-2022, 09:18 PM

Im planning 500 test c /week for 16 weeks with some basic AI daily, followed by TRT. Simple first cycle. Just hope to not have any hair loss

**leveel** · 08-16-2022, 11:12 AM

This post clears up many things, most of it (regarding to nutrition, experience, planning etc.) still holds up. However it's 10 years old. Would you change anything about the protocol itself -substances, amounts, duration or something else?
As I've read more and more about PEDs it seems like experinenced users nowadays advocating smaller amounts as a starting cycle. What is your opinion about a low-dose beginner cycle? Which is not as low as TRT but less than 500mg / week. Something like 300-400mg / w.
With a dose as low as this how would you change the original protocol regarding to hCG and AI during a 12 week cycle?

Thanks, take care!

**jolter604** · 09-07-2022, 05:31 PM

Bump

**jolter604** · 09-07-2022, 05:33 PM

Read up on this pops hahahhahaha

**Nerveblock67** · 09-14-2022, 07:13 AM

I'm planning on running my first cycle in January and currently planning on a "light" first cycle.
Week 1-12: 250 of Test Enanthate per week. Doing this, I'll either end up with some leftover test at the end of the cycle OR I can titrate up to 400 per week about halfway through the cycle. This is what I'll likely do to assess my body's tolerance. I'm 34yr old and my current total/free testosterone is 398/19 as of about a week ago but I'll have it tested again closer to starting the cycle.
I've got plenty of time to do heavier cycles after this first one.

I have aromasin and HCG on hand as well as PCT for Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 & Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20.
My current question is if starting the AI and HCG out of the gate is necessary on a lighter dose as recommended with 500/wk. Any other advice is greatly appreciated!

**narcolepticshark** · 09-19-2022, 10:59 AM

Thank you for this post. This helped me get my bloodwork done precycle (today) and understand that HCG is during cycle not PCT. I actually had heard both things so it was confusing.

**mohamedhoussen** · 10-10-2022, 07:24 PM

why we only inject HCG through the cycle
what about injecting FSH too ??
why only HCG ?!!!

**Str8crazy23** · 06-23-2023, 12:44 PM

As a newbie this information is absolutely amazing. Thank You for taking the time to put this together!!

**0311JD** · 08-07-2023, 12:35 AM

Thank you for this. I have been running in circles trying to get solid information to help me make the right choice. After 10 years in the Marine Corps Infantry, 4 combat tours, and 10 years after I got out, not taking care of my body, it has been disheartening trying to rebuild what I had squandered after my service. I recently (8 months ago) have started going back to the gym. It's tough comparing my 40yr old self to what I was just 10yrs ago. I went from 205lbs at probably 10% body fat to 250lbs and somewhere near 30% body fat. After reading your post, it makes me realize that I haven't even given myself a fair shot at a rebuild and I was trying to look for a shortcut. Thank you for the knowledge.

**Juicifer23** · 12-29-2023, 01:54 PM

Thank you so much this is great information

**austinite** · 12-29-2023, 07:59 PM

Glad you all are able to use the info!

Have a powerful day!

**BloatedBeef** · 01-17-2024, 04:31 PM

Absolutely fantastic post, thank you.

One question on PCT: Would it be possible or even preferable to substitute Clomiphene with Enclomiphene or is that a no no?

The reason I'm curious is that the studies I have read would suggest it's the Enclomiphene isomer in Clomiphene that's responsible for the PCT effect we are after (i.e. antiestrogenic), whereas Zuclomiphene appears to have mild estrogenic properties (and according to some anecdotal experiences, most of the less desirable side effects).

Perhaps I've confused something but would be very interesting to hear thoughts around this.

**Cylon357** · 01-17-2024, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by BloatedBeef

Absolutely fantastic post, thank you.

One question on PCT: Would it be possible or even preferable to substitute Clomiphene with Enclomiphene or is that a no no?

The reason I'm curious is that the studies I have read would suggest it's the Enclomiphene isomer in Clomiphene that's responsible for the PCT effect we are after (i.e. antiestrogenic), whereas Zuclomiphene appears to have mild estrogenic properties (and according to some anecdotal experiences, most of the less desirable side effects).

Perhaps I've confused something but would be very interesting to hear thoughts around this.

Not the OP, nor anywhere near as knowledgeable as he, but IMO yes, Enclomiphene would be a better choice than clomiphene.

Your data is mostly correct, BTW, with the exception of thinking that Enclomiphene is anti-estrogenic. It is a SERM not an AI. Some experiences indicate it MIGHT in some way have AI capabilities, but I believe they are likely attributable to other causes.

Find ALMOST everything I know about enclo here: https://forums.steroid.com/hormone-r...formation.html

**BloatedBeef** · 01-18-2024, 03:20 PM

Very much appreciated Cylon! And thanks for the correction, also had a look at your thread on Enclomiphene - very helpful.

Given austinite's original post recommends 75/50/50/50 PCT dose of Clomid for a 500mg/week test only cycle, I'm assuming (using the ratios from your thread, which make sense) one could swap that for roughly 50/33/33/33 Enclomiphene.

Will aim to do that for my PCT unless in the months to come some further conflicting information comes along here or elsewhere.

**BloatedBeef** · 02-11-2024, 04:55 PM

This is a bit of a silly question. Still, for educational purposes, since someone might be wondering the same thing... if I want to load up test-e and HCG into the same syringe to do a single shot, I probably should use two different drawing needles rather than one so that one of the vials don't get contaminated?

Also, any thoughts on extending your first cycle to 14-18 weeks? And assume first bloods (after pre-cycle bloods) should be still around 6-week mark if so, or?

**Cylon357** · 02-11-2024, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by BloatedBeef

This is a bit of a silly question. Still, for educational purposes, since someone might be wondering the same thing... if I want to load up test-e and HCG into the same syringe to do a single shot, I probably should use two different drawing needles rather than one so that one of the vials don't get contaminated?

Also, any thoughts on extending your first cycle to 14-18 weeks? And assume first bloods (after pre-cycle bloods) should be still around 6-week mark if so, or?

You CAN do whatever you want, but then you are not following this fool proof first cycle.

Personally, I would not mix oil and water in the same syringe. Also, I generally prefer to inject my HCG a day after my test.

**jolter604** · 02-21-2024, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Cylon357

You CAN do whatever you want, but then you are not following this fool proof first cycle.

Personally, I would not mix oil and water in the same syringe. Also, I generally prefer to inject my HCG a day after my test.

Yes do not mix
Especially sense HGH is so sensitive. And the cold water in the HGH might thicken up the oil and make the pin experience difficult.

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