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    awesome, thank you for the post!

    I have been contemplating and this was my first read.

    very helpful!

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    Quote Originally Posted by disjabroni View Post
    I have been contemplating and this was my first read.

    very helpful!
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    Great post, thank you...it's nice to have all this info centralized.

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    How about trt is it as important as for heavy cycles? Adjust dosage or generally skip it?

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    Austinite,
    What is optimum Estro E2 level for 600mg/week testE/cyp 250 deca /week while 100mg proviron /day and 500hcg per week?
    I float between 32/34 on month to next and wondering if I should be at 25? or at 40
    39 yr old male 8 weeks into cycle.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorgos View Post
    How about trt is it as important as for heavy cycles? Adjust dosage or generally skip it?
    You would just go back to trt after cycle is over. You don't take TRT doses while on cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgd View Post
    Austinite,
    What is optimum Estro E2 level for 600mg/week testE/cyp 250 deca /week while 100mg proviron /day and 500hcg per week?
    I float between 32/34 on month to next and wondering if I should be at 25? or at 40
    39 yr old male 8 weeks into cycle.


    Oh, your bad ass by the way...
    So long as you're in range, you should be fine. I don't like mine on the very low end of the range, I like to hover just under the top end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    So long as you're in range, you should be fine. I don't like mine on the very low end of the range, I like to hover just under the top end.
    thanks, did I mention that I love you btw
    you have so much info, its crazy......

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    Great information! Thanks so much for all the advice!

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    I'm sorry if this was answered already, I read through 20 pages of this thread and didn't see it if it was; my question is if I'm mid cycle and experience gyno and start raloxifen or Nolva do I bail the cycle or continue? I'm preparing to follow your first cycle protocol Austinite.

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    Outstanding!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avi3510 View Post
    I'm sorry if this was answered already, I read through 20 pages of this thread and didn't see it if it was; my question is if I'm mid cycle and experience gyno and start raloxifen or Nolva do I bail the cycle or continue? I'm preparing to follow your first cycle protocol Austinite.
    Blood work. Always always always blood work.

    You can continue cycle if you know where your levels are at. Otherwise you're playing with fire and I recommend you stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    I like to hover just under kel.
    Quite nice.
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    Hi,

    I have build a very bad gyno during the past three to four years.
    Sadly i do not wish to go under the knife or even could afford it.
    Since i am from asia, i cant really get hold of this Raloxifene but i can get hold of Letro
    Can someone educate me accordingly.

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    How long should I keep taking caber for after I'm done with a test/tren cycle? Continuing trt hcg 50mgx2 a week. Liquidex is at .5mgx3 a week. Should thay be lowered to .25x3 a week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by champ14 View Post
    How long should I keep taking caber for after I'm done with a test/tren cycle? Continuing trt hcg 50mgx2 a week. Liquidex is at .5mgx3 a week. Should thay be lowered to .25x3 a week?
    A test/tren cycle shouldn't even cause that much prolactin release. You definitely don't need caber at 0.5 mg at this point. It's the strongest dopaminergic in it's class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corageon View Post
    A test/tren cycle shouldn't even cause that much prolactin release. You definitely don't need caber at 0.5 mg at this point. It's the strongest dopaminergic in it's class.
    lol, because everyone is identical?

    Champ14, blood work my friend. That will answer your question.
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    It would have been nice to have had this kind of information available 30+ years ago
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    That was a fantastic read, thanks so much. Don't know if this has already been asked but essentially to control prolactin gyno related problems when running 19-nor's like Deca I would first need to control my estrogen levels with Ai's correct?

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    That was a incredibly detailed breakdown. Thanks! I am currently trying to find more information on the topic to properly build my cycles. Thanks for the info!

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    This is very ggreat stuff to have all of us read and respond to

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    This was VERY helpful austinite! Thanks for taking the time to write this up and making it dummy proof for folks like me!

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    Let's say your estrogen are in normal ranges, and you get an elevation but are still in normal ranges, may that be enough for some people to aggravate issues?

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    I have read that HGH has a good binding affinity for the Prolactin receptor. When I use HGH (and HGH only!) over 1 IU a day I start to get some swelling in one of my nipples. They are not hard, they are not lactating, and if I just lay off it goes away. I have been unable to use HGH. I have a ton of this stuff. I upped my dose to 3 IU's for my bloods to test if the hgh was good and it was but within 4 hours I noticed some swelling.

    Is there anything I can take to help stop the hgh from binding to the Prolactin receptor?

    I have been looking for an answer on this. Everything I have read tells me that things like B6 or antagonizers will not work because the HGH binds itself.

    Here are some of the other steroid .com articles I read:--snip-- can't post. I am too new!

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    So even with controlled E2 and still issues with prog and prolactin levels, dostinex is the only option?

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    Im on test prop 100mg EOD WITH Primobolan also 100mg
    Should i be taking HCG and Arimidex ??

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    If I'm running TRT, but wanted to take Raloxifene to attempt to reverse gyno, how will this affect the other compounds I take? Or is that something that can't be done while taking hormones?

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    It won't effect other compounds.
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    But if I'm running the Raloxifene protocol to reverse gyno, I won't need any other AI in assuming?

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    Incorrect. Ralox will not control E2 levels. You still need your AI.
    I run low dose Nolva during a lot of my cycles. No issues whatsoever.
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    Wow. What a great load of info! Bookmarked!

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    Hey Austinite,

    I have seen some new information on the internet regarding the dosage of Raloxifene. Something along the lines of using 60 mg/day only for 10 days and after that using just 30 mg/day until the gyno is removed. What do you say about this? I have tried Raloxifene last year (before that I tried 2 months of Nolva) and since then all my joints hurt like hell all the time. Docs have no idea about this. I do not know if it was caused by the SERMS or it was just a coincidence, but I have seen on the internet new info that says more than 10 days of 60 mg Raloxifene may lead to bone demineralization. Though it's quite anti intuitive given that Raloxifene is an osteoporosis medication so it should actually HELP your bones not damage them. What is your opinion on the right dosage of Raloxifene now?

    PS: I mention that I have never used any AAS, I am just very sensitive to estrogen, I'm growing gyno out of damn nowhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Blood work. Always always always blood work.

    You can continue cycle if you know where your levels are at. Otherwise you're playing with fire and I recommend you stop.
    Yep...definitely rolling in the fire. Ooops. Still a great read! Thanks for posting this

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    Thanks for another informative post!
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    Awesome information!!!!!!

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    Thanks great information

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    Hi, I'm confused on what I should take to control estrogen. My levels are very high as I should be on AI's at the same time as I'm on Test 300mg/week and Dec 300mg/week and Dbol 30mg ED. I was on Anavar but have been told to get off it ASAP. So which AI should I be on? Arimidex ? Aromasin ? Someone told me to go on Caber, but it's expensive. Please help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDToronto View Post
    Hi, I'm confused on what I should take to control estrogen. My levels are very high as I should be on AI's at the same time as I'm on Test 300mg/week and Dec 300mg/week and Dbol 30mg ED. I was on Anavar but have been told to get off it ASAP. So which AI should I be on? Arimidex? Aromasin? Someone told me to go on Caber, but it's expensive. Please help.
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    Hi, Maybe a stupid question but, i will start Raloxifene for reverse gyno. But im on HGH cycle 2 iu/day, so do i need to change raloxifene dose? or start with recommended 60 mg/day is good for me?

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