Estrogen, Prolactin, Progesterone Management + Gynecomastia Prevention & Reversal

[juicn91]

Raloxifene or Tamoxifen on cycle. But mainly, blood work and E2 management via AI's. Anything else is a guessing game and likely a waste of time.

Thank you! I've got liquid arimidex and pharma grade aromasin . Which would be better? And at what dosage?

[austinite]

Up to you. I prefer adex at 0.25mg EOD for a standard 500mg/week cycle.

[Jcz85]

what is your obsession with that funny looking man

[Bodacious]

What are some of the early signs of gyno before you get the lump/lumps?

I know sore nipples but from what I have read your nipples will be a little sore from hormones raising is this right or wrong? Just wondering the early signs. Thanks

[lovbyts]

You are right about the sensitive nipples, it's normal/common on cycle despite gyno or not. Pretty much the lumps are the first signs besides tenderness and enlarged breast tissue.

what is your obsession with that funny looking man

Thats no way to talk about Austinite's mom....

[austinite]

what is your obsession with that funny looking man

if you don't have anything to say related to the topic, please go to the lounge and stay out of this and other topic-specific threads.

[Roger11]

Hey aust, if you havent seen my thread i just finished a 5 month blast and didnt use my AI some of the time, i was on 250 test e per week and normally .25 arimidex x2 per week keeps my e2 in range over the cycle i used lots of compounds etc now i had bloodwork done on friday and my prolactin was 356 on a scale of 45-375. Still waiting on e2 results that will be here tomorrow, but normally whenever my e2 is high so is my prolactin
do you think i need caber or just lower my e2? From all my prior bloods whenever e2 is high so is prolactin. I never use a DA on cycle as i figure i dont need it.

If i do use caber what dose do you suggest to get that lowered?
Cheers

[austinite]

Hey aust, if you havent seen my thread i just finished a 5 month blast and didnt use my AI some of the time, i was on 250 test e per week and normally .25 arimidex x2 per week keeps my e2 in range over the cycle i used lots of compounds etc now i had bloodwork done on friday and my prolactin was 356 on a scale of 45-375. Still waiting on e2 results that will be here tomorrow, but normally whenever my e2 is high so is my prolactin
do you think i need caber or just lower my e2? From all my prior bloods whenever e2 is high so is prolactin. I never use a DA on cycle as i figure i dont need it.

If i do use caber what dose do you suggest to get that lowered?
Cheers

*** Cabergoline(Dostinex)


- Half Life: 65 hours
- Recommended dose: 0.25 mg Every Third Day. If after 4 doses you feel good, increase to 0.5mg every third day.
- Common side effects: Same as Prami for the most part, but can also cause anxiety and compulsive behavior.
- Drug interactions: Avoid anorexiants (appetite suppressors) as the combo can cause severe levels of serotonin. also avoid other dopamine agonists. Avoid Codeine because the combination renders the drug ineffective and lowers blood pressure too much.

[Roger11]

*** Cabergoline(Dostinex)


- Half Life: 65 hours
- Recommended dose: 0.25 mg Every Third Day. If after 4 doses you feel good, increase to 0.5mg every third day.
- Common side effects: Same as Prami for the most part, but can also cause anxiety and compulsive behavior.
- Drug interactions: Avoid anorexiants (appetite suppressors) as the combo can cause severe levels of serotonin. also avoid other dopamine agonists. Avoid Codeine because the combination renders the drug ineffective and lowers blood pressure too much.

Cheers mate, but personally do you think i need it if my E2 is high and will come down after a few doses of arimidex .

Prolactin will follow. So personally should i save the caber for my next blast when using high doses of deca or tren ?

ive gone down right now to 125mg test e per week split between 2 injections so 62.5mg per injection. Not sure i even need an AI. How fast does prolactin lower when you revert back to TRT, any clue?

[jolter604]

Cheers mate, but personally do you think i need it if my E2 is high and will come down after a few doses of arimidex .

Prolactin will follow. So personally should i save the caber for my next blast when using high doses of deca or tren ?

ive gone down right now to 125mg test e per week split between 2 injections so 62.5mg per injection. Not sure i even need an AI. How fast does prolactin lower when you revert back to TRT, any clue?

If u have a little existing gyno should you stay away from deca and Trin?or will aromasin and cabar be enough?

[austinite]

If u have a little existing gyno should you stay away from deca and Trin?or will aromasin and cabar be enough?

Personally, I would make the attempt at reversing it with Raloxifene and NOT use any other drugs whatsoever.

[jolter604]

I am on the second week of a cycle now, it's 500 test e, 400 eq, and turinabol 70 Mg first four weeks. 12.5 Mg aromasin Ed. Can I use the raloxifene right after my pct? And do u have a post for dosing and length of that reversal. And is it more effective than the novadex way?

[Gorgos]

Hello and thank you for a great thread.

Im trying to convince my friends of using AI during cycle but they always tells me that "you dont need one", "I only use when I get signs of gyno" or "Arimidex gives me high cholesterol etc". How come so many cycle without AIs? I mean you state that controling estrogen is the most important thing along PCT. Im a wrong or are my friends just uneducated in this matter?

[austinite]

Hello and thank you for a great thread.

Im trying to convince my friends of using AI during cycle but they always tells me that "you dont need one", "I only use when I get signs of gyno" or "Arimidex gives me high cholesterol etc". How come so many cycle without AIs? I mean you state that controling estrogen is the most important thing along PCT. Im a wrong or are my friends just uneducated in this matter?

they're uneducated, unfortunately. Invite them to the forum.

[EasyDoesIt]

@judesvinet - I would have to say 80% of people I have spoke with in the gyms do not use AI and trying to educate is frustrating and not something I bother with interrupting my workout for anymore. Best advice as Ausinite stated is invite them to this forum. They will not show up until they have a problem though. Keep educating yourself here. Placing hormones in your body is not something to take lightly. Many do though. Many have no idea what a PCT is either. Funny how they always seemed to get dumped by their girlfriends.

[VoRTeXO77]

Hello and thank you for a great thread.

Im trying to convince my friends of using AI during cycle but they always tells me that "you dont need one", "I only use when I get signs of gyno" or "Arimidex gives me high cholesterol etc". How come so many cycle without AIs? I mean you state that controling estrogen is the most important thing along PCT. Im a wrong or are my friends just uneducated in this matter?

I don't even know why you bother. That kind of "smart" people knows everything, but usually they have a bad end... every time.

[Gorgos]

Thanx for the input all of you. People tend to listen more to big guys despite the lack of knowledge Im afraid.

[lovbyts]

Hello and thank you for a great thread.

Im trying to convince my friends of using AI during cycle but they always tells me that "you dont need one", "I only use when I get signs of gyno" or "Arimidex gives me high cholesterol etc". How come so many cycle without AIs? I mean you state that controling estrogen is the most important thing along PCT. Im a wrong or are my friends just uneducated in this matter?

Lots of people are that way. I have a buddy who is the same. When I started HRT 7 years ago he kept telling me that it's NORMAL for test to drop as you get older and no on (men) need HRT. Now that he started HRT about 6 months ago Ive tried educating him but he still wont listen to anything I say.

I told him he probably would like and be on the gel very long. He argues saying how it works find for anyone. After he went from 2 pumps up to 6 I LOL and said I told you. They he went to the patch, again I told him about it not working for many people and causing a rash. Nope, he said it's proven to work. 2 months later with his test still dropping and getting itchy he finally is doing injections. He doc has him doing 200mg every 14 days. I explained the benefits of doing it at least 1x a week and even better 2x a week as well as HCG and an AI. again I am wrong and I just don't understand how the 1/2 life of test works and there is nothing to worry about E2.

Some people you just cant save.

[Gorgos]

Last questions and It might be stupid.

Is it possible to develop gyno if estrogen is controlled when using deca /tren ? Ive seen prog-gyno mentioned a million of times.

Is that why u recommend aromasin instead of arimidex as the choice of AI(no rebound and more effective?)

[austinite]

Gyno is a direct result of high E2. Control that and you won't have an issue.

Not sure what prog-gyno means... If you mean progesterone, then no.

[razman]

I highly recommend Aromasin as the AI of choice when running 19-Nor steroids.

Why is Aromasin highly recommended as the AI of choice when running 19-Nor steroids ?

I am currently starting week 7 of my 12 cycle, which consists of 500mg/wk test E, 200mg/wk of NPP, 20mg/day d-bol, and 500iu/wk hcg . For an AI, I started the cycle using .25mg/day a-dex but my bloodwork week 3 showed my E2 at 160pg/mL (normal 7.6 - 42.6)! I then immediately upped the a-dex to 0.5mg/day and my week 6 bloodwork showed my E2 level down to 62pg/mL, which is still high. I have indeed been experiencing a bit of gyno since week 2, and lately it is much more pronounced (my nipples are about 2 times their regular size, very sensitive, and my left one is even turning white).

After reading through this article I am wondering what I should do differently to reduce my E2 level further and also reverse my gyno.
(1) Should I order and start using Aromasin instead of a-dex? Or should I simply up the dosage of a-dex even further to 0.8mg/day or something like that?
(2) I've been taking 20mg/day of Nolva since week 3 to reverse the gyno but it hasn't been working that well. Should I order Raloxifene and start using that instead? Is it significantly more effective than Nolva?

Thanks in advance for any guidance.

[austinite]

^ Because it's a suicide inhibitor and my opinion is that it works to prevent elevation in the presence of 19-nors better than a reversible AI. Read the segment on suicide inhibitors and how they work.

Bloodwork will answer all of your questions. Week 7 is the perfect time for blood work, anything I say would merely be speculation.

Good luck.

[kelkel]

People tend to listen more to big guys despite the lack of knowledge Im afraid.

Ahhh. Big guys aren't smart. Got it.

[Gorgos]

Gyno is a direct result of high E2. Control that and you won't have an issue.

Not sure what prog-gyno means... If you mean progesterone, then no.

Madame, you're an angel and your body is amazing. Thank you!

[isa.alrashid]

Thnx

[isa.alrashid]

Dear ,
Sorry on advace for my bad eng , am now on cycle 3 months I did blood test and this is the result
Progesterone 3.47 normal 0.2-1.4
Lh .100 normal 1.7 -8.6
E2 30.5 normal 7.6 -46
Fsh .196 normal 1.5 -12.4
What do u think

[pittfan89]

Hey guys, newbie here about to start first cycle, what should I take to keep my gains post cycle.

[austinite]

^ please start a new thread.

[Jumanji121]

Austinite im new to the forum and have read some of your stuff and my god the information is absolutely invaluable. I have made a few posts asking for some info as im about to start my first cycle and would very much like to ask a few questions (im sorry if I have posted something like this on another thread) just to have some peace at mind. Is there anyway to contact you or where should I make my post? Again, im still a noob so still getting the feel for this platform, thanks in advance

Cheers

[austinite]

I have a first cycle thread that you posted in. Anything that varies from that article is not recommended by me. I saw that you're attempting to inject trenbolone for your first cycle so I am not able to help you. Please start a new thread and allow other members to help you.

[kelkel]

Madame, you're an angel and your body is amazing. Thank you!

Oh she's an angel alright.....

[austinite]

Lmao kel!

[NACH3]

Great write up as always! I do have a ?; I PMd you my med history + situation(hope you don't mind as my BW I'm questioning)...

With 19bors... why is caber rendered useless on a codeine based opiate, but have seen RLS(restless leg syndrome)Patients on Prami while on methadone/Methadose... As I do know it(methadone causes prolactin rise) does it have anything to do w/the D3 receptor and prami's profound effect on it unlike caber??

[Lava]

Can I start a test E cycle with minor gyno and reverse it by using arimidex for the first week dosed at .50mg daily?

[Brawny Snickers]

All of your posts in this section have been very informative. Thank you.

[Gorgos]

how about winstrol and anavar only cycles? I mean it wont aromatase so you will never get gyno but will the estrogen raise much?

[austinite]

how about winstrol and anavar only cycles? I mean it wont aromatase so you will never get gyno but will the estrogen raise much?

Those types of cycles are not recommended by me and therefore I do not support them. You may want to consider starting a new thread. But to answer your question briefly, if it doesn't aromatize, then it doesn't aromatize.

[Gorgos]

Those types of cycles are not recommended by me and therefore I do not support them. You may want to consider starting a new thread. But to answer your question briefly, if it doesn't aromatize, then it doesn't aromatize.

Thanx. But in theory would E2 levels raise? And could cause gyno if you are prone geneticly speaking? I'd never touch thoose types of cycles but Ive got friends who does Im afraid.

[blakegains]

Thanks for posting, will def use this information. Happy lifting

[edmondle]

Nice