Mike Tyson vs. Ken Shamrock

[sp9]

I'd much rather see Bas Rutten come out of retirement and put his 17 fights without a loss on the line with Ken who beat him twice in his prime.

[dynamike]

Now thats the most intersting thing Ive read on this thread for quite some time...that would be a great fight....tough to say who would be the winner in that one...really...Im a Bas Fan myself..so i gotta tilt towards him...

[nickrizz]

I know the Tyson and Shamrock fight isnt the fight with best talent but it is the fight that would make the most money, thats why i started the thread

[lamb88ert]

lets be serious, Mike tyson would get raped by ken shamrock in the octagon, straight up....Especially now, bein that mikes training went to **** as you can tell by his current fights and couldnt endure the physical demands in the ring.....its really the fact aside from tysons bar fights, an experienced grappler and martial arts master would dominate tyson, i wrestled growing up and all through highschool ...just that has given me numerous advantages in a fight. Could you imagine shamrock twistin mike like a pretzel on the ground? Yes mike can punch like a mofo but shamrock would strike low and not even think about gettin caught by one of those uppercuts....

[hurricanejujitsu]

Look, I dont disagree that Shamrock has more wepons and would likely win...
That being said, DONT UNDERESTIMATE THE SHEAR EXPLOSIVNESS AND POWER OF MIKE. ken would have to take him down. Anyway we have been through this!
I wanna see Bass or even Bart Vail rematches,,, Did you see Ken get knockd out by Barts roundhouse kick combo? Face down cold! lol

[nickrizz]

please dont hijac the thread everybody......

i was talking about both of them in their prime.

[jonnyblade]

In there prime Mike will lose, its easy to take someone down, especially when there not trained for it, you have to remember you only have punching power when you have good footing, on the ground you lose about 75% of your strike, or even if someone gets a hold of you, if Mike can't put his full body weight into his shots then everything he has going for him is gone. In a boxing match Shamrock wouldnt last a minute mind you, but he would just play cat and mouse an pick him off with a single leg, ankle pick or something low, the second he grabs a hold of a leg its over, cause he will lift it up and no power in Tyson now, he will be throwing Gracie punches lol.

[dymbag]

shamrock shoots for the legs ...the rest is easy if your shamrock/no contest

just boxing its definately tyson though wouldnt want him to win

[billy_ba]

i wouldnt want to have tyson in my guard, ouch.

[Gorgoroth_]

" My defense is " impregnabal " , my offense is ludacris , I'll beat you and eat your children in da name of allah , i'll throw your oldest son on the ground and stomp on his testicles so you know my pain ! - Mike Tyson

[TestTubeBaby]

i dont understand why everyone thinks grappling is so effective? i mean ive watched mma etc..i jus dont get it..and all these guys saying they wrestled in school and now have advantages in fight situations..until i read here, i didnt even think of grapplers as real fighters to be honest. ive fought tons of grapplers/wrestlers in my time and looked at them as amateurs and as weak..no offense to anyone..not only did i view them as such..i TREATED them as such..NO wrestler/grappler has ever gotten the best of me..maybe i havent fought an experienced grappler/wrestler b4 i sure as hell have beat the **** outta of em. i have a taekwondo, shotokan karate, kickboxing, boxing background and hands down, gotta say tyson in his prime would RAPE shamrock, not even a question. tyson was so quick and powerful in his prime, before shamrock even knew what hit him his face would be crushed. if i had to choose the easier fight between the two, id take my chances w/ an experienced grappler/wrestler over an experienced power hitter/boxer ANY day.

[Sta11ion]

I was in Vegas two weeks.....I bumped into at the palms hotel by accident, anyway I was not paying attention I apoligized when I looked up and got startled for a sec. That tattoo on his face threw me off...he was cool about it said its cool. All I have to say he is probably a little taller then me but the guy was think and wide. I am around 200 but he must of been around 260 for a guy 5 11. He was wide, you dont realize how big someone is until they get close to you. I do know a story about him, when he was divorced with his first wife the actress... he wanted to see her, she ended up going to a hotel and got 2 bodygaurds to stay at the door. ANyway tyson asked them both he wanted to see her they refused, he asked again and they refused again. So he punched one in the head and broke his jaw. That was the lucky one the other had a fracture in his skull the impact when tyson punched him in the head. I know this because I know the guy who did the scat scan on the guy with the fracture. He mentioned something about he was out cold for 10 minutes. Tyson is not someone to take too likely.

[Gorgoroth_]

i dont understand why everyone thinks grappling is so effective? i mean ive watched mma etc..i jus dont get it..and all these guys saying they wrestled in school and now have advantages in fight situations..until i read here, i didnt even think of grapplers as real fighters to be honest. ive fought tons of grapplers/wrestlers in my time and looked at them as amateurs and as weak..no offense to anyone..not only did i view them as such..i TREATED them as such..NO wrestler/grappler has ever gotten the best of me..maybe i havent fought an experienced grappler/wrestler b4 i sure as hell have beat the **** outta of em. i have a taekwondo, shotokan karate, kickboxing, boxing background and hands down, gotta say tyson in his prime would RAPE shamrock, not even a question. tyson was so quick and powerful in his prime, before shamrock even knew what hit him his face would be crushed. if i had to choose the easier fight between the two, id take my chances w/ an experienced grappler/wrestler over an experienced power hitter/boxer ANY day.

I think its safe to say you haven't faught a real grappler - or even a good highschool wreslter for that matter . Getting punched in the face hurts , getting a joint dislocated is a completely different type of pain - it hurts way worse and the injuries sustained by joint manipulations can easily become permante injuries . When I wreslted I accidently dislocated my friend's knee and hyper-extended it. His leg was never the same . Before I wreslted him he was second in state , after that his wreslting and weight lifting career went in the dumps.

Tyson in his prime was bad ass , but I think he if was put on the ground he'd be dead , the trick would be getting him on the ground and not getting punched - keep in mind , tyson isn't going to be wearing gloves if he fights shamrock ( presuming its really a fight ) so his punches will be even more devastating than normal .

[jonnyblade]

I would have to say Tyson could easily take the any match if the opponent ****s up, I mean I have seen Tank Abbott beat people silly, but I have seen him get beat like a bitch, its a matter of avoiding the punches, alot of these guys in there could probably box a round with a pro fighter, maybe not with Tyson but they should be able to avoid his punches long enough to tackle him, its not easy to hit someone in boxing when there fresh on the defense, you can play chase all day if you want. It could go either way though 1 hard smack from Tyson anyone will go down, one quick shoot from Shamrock and he is done just as easy. The odds are just in Ken's favour because its his sport and not Tysons.

[TestTubeBaby]

i heard a statistic a clean right from tyson is like getting hit by a sledge hammer..literally.

[Jack87]

Now that's a good story....

I was in Vegas two weeks.....I bumped into at the palms hotel by accident, anyway I was not paying attention I apoligized when I looked up and got startled for a sec. That tattoo on his face threw me off...he was cool about it said its cool. All I have to say he is probably a little taller then me but the guy was think and wide. I am around 200 but he must of been around 260 for a guy 5 11. He was wide, you dont realize how big someone is until they get close to you. I do know a story about him, when he was divorced with his first wife the actress... he wanted to see her, she ended up going to a hotel and got 2 bodygaurds to stay at the door. ANyway tyson asked them both he wanted to see her they refused, he asked again and they refused again. So he punched one in the head and broke his jaw. That was the lucky one the other had a fracture in his skull the impact when tyson punched him in the head. I know this because I know the guy who did the scat scan on the guy with the fracture. He mentioned something about he was out cold for 10 minutes. Tyson is not someone to take too likely.

[jonnyblade]

Yeah Tyson could really do some damage to 2nd rate fighters, if your not the best of the best then you might as well stay home. Imagine the intimidation people would feel when they stepped in the ring against him. It would be hilarious to see how some one reacts to his punches, ie running away lol.

[QuieTSToRM33]

Im gonna have to go with Shamrock .... Ken Shamrock would put a hurting on Tyson ... especially since Tyson isnt the same guy he was 10 years ago

[Gorgoroth_]

Guys.. guys... we all know that Kimbo could beat both of them with his toes... yes , his toes...

[Cuttup]

Tyson would kill him now and especially in his prime!!!

[realmxofxnoise]

lets be serious, Mike tyson would get raped by ken shamrock in the octagon, straight up....Especially now, bein that mikes training went to **** as you can tell by his current fights and couldnt endure the physical demands in the ring.....its really the fact aside from tysons bar fights, an experienced grappler and martial arts master would dominate tyson, i wrestled growing up and all through highschool ...just that has given me numerous advantages in a fight. Could you imagine shamrock twistin mike like a pretzel on the ground? Yes mike can punch like a mofo but shamrock would strike low and not even think about gettin caught by one of those uppercuts....

Yeah, it's hard to say. Mike is definitely pound for pound the hardest puncher in the world. He would have to cardio himself to death though - this isn't no three minute round ****, but UFC is closer. If it was Pride, he better be ready with his cardio. However, I would think Ken would be smart enough to take him to the ground. Don't want to stand toe to toe with Mike when boxing isn't your specialty. Bas even said the same thing, heh.

- Nick

[realmxofxnoise]

Tyson would kill him now and especially in his prime!!!

:- ) I just wanted to say I love the avatar man! KERR!!!!!!! God **** I ****in' love that guy!

- Nick

[ONaMission]

You guys are reading too much into this. ken has midget arms, tyson would lay one of those monstrous uppercuts on him before shamrock could shoot in on him, and it would be over. Ken is still recovering from the lumps Tito put on him, isnt he? The only way tyson loses this one is if his dumbass trips over his own feet, falls down, and Ken gets full mount before tyson's brain catches up to the action.

[groverman1]

Easy Shamrock shoots, takes it to the ground and heel hook or knee bar. Done deal.

[scorp]

I will put my money on Kenny.

[Bouncer1982]

Tyson isn't just a boxer, he has been street fighting for years, so my money would have to be on Tyson

[JDawg1536]

Easy Shamrock shoots, takes it to the ground and heel hook or knee bar. Done deal.

lol, I think you guys are taking "shooting in on tyson", a little too lightly. You put your head down and charge toward him, he will have thrown at least 2 uppercuts before you make contact with him. If you are still awake and still have a majority of your teeth, he is not a small guy you can dominate on the ground. He is much stronger than shamrock. And I dont think any fighter in the world would want tyson in his guard, thats just asking to get fvcked up. I wouldnt put money on either one, too close to call.

[Doc Slin]

Tyson would ****ing drop Shamrock ass!

[Slick Arrado]

LOL at those who said Abbot hits harder. I seriously doubt that, as Tyson has natural power and perfected technique. I don't know who would win, but I bet it'd be a great fight(while it lasted). :spudniklu

[dingobite]

Tyson he doesnt have to lean into shamrock, he doesnt need shamrock holding his chin for him and hes definatly big enough to block with half his body at a time or even have hopes his blows will be strong enough to do little more than wipe his own ass crack with.

[catabolic kid]

Shamrock has no chance. He would be scared to get close to tyson, he would hesitate. Remember, tyson wouldnt even have to connect to knock ken out. This is an interesting scenario but it is not even clsoe...especially when you talk about IRON MIKE in his prime.

[BROTHERHOOD]

Im fluent in both Muy Thai and BJJ and I can tell you Shamrock has a distinct advantage in this fight. I would fight a boxer ANY day in a street fight and take them to the ground immediately, even though im a boxer myself. Its just so easy because they have little to no training in ground fighting.

Now we are dealing with Tyson...only god knows what would happen if he landed something clean on Ken. But I dont think that would happen.

[hobbitlifter]

Tyson in a fist to fist. Shamerock would kill him if Tyson met face to mat, Shamrock's grapples are amazing.

My money would definitely be on KEN SHAMEROCK!!!

[frogg]

does anyone remember what mike tyson did to mitch blood green in a streetfight bout 10-12years ago in nyc?

[1819]

i dont want to get into a long debate about this cause everone has their own opinion and everyone makes alot of good points but...i happen to promote fights for a living, and knowing just about all the boxers you can think of and many ufc and cage guys, i can tell you this. there is not one cage fighter or ufc guy in the world that can take a punch from a heavyweight. im not saying that the're not tough. im not saying that they are not unbelievable athletes. they are. im just stating fact. i also keep hearing the same thing from the ufc side. everyone seems to think its all over if you can get a boxer to the ground. you really think tyson or moorer or any of those guys have never been in a street fight. you think they cant fight on the ground? come on. anyway its just my opinion.

[hurricanejujitsu]

Im just getting back to the fourm for the first time in a few months, but this thread and question already exsists.... Do a search.

[RockSolid]

tyson would win in a boxing match, otherwise Shamrock would win it would be a close call, truly depends. tysons hands are like bricks, if it lands on Shamrock hes in trouble,,,,i would have loved to see that match

[hurricanejujitsu]

Agreed, In his own disipline each has the advantage!

[100m champ]

Mike Tyson Would Catch This Man And Knock Him Out.. Even If He Clinched Tyson, Tyson Would Fight Out With Argresition And Then Deck This Mans Lights Out.

[MMA]

unfortunately fighting out of a clinch against a man with elite wrestling/jiu jitsu skills with "aggression" just doesn't have a good track record.

tyson does have achance of catching him on the way in, but he's not as fast as he used to be.

fghting a good grappler is like fighting...well, it's like fighting mike tyson. if the guy gets in just once he can finish you. and it's a lot easier for a grappler to get in with a low shoot.

all the grapller has to do is survive long enough to get even 1 clinch, and it's over.

some elite strikers like cro cop have developed elite takedown defense. if tyson trained properly, he could probably do the same. but if he won't trrain properly for his own sport, what are the odds he'll suddenly develop the focus to train a whole new game?