Mike Tyson vs. Ken Shamrock

[FRANK WHITE]

Cyto - your competley wrong, on pretty well EVERYTHING you said

yeah, athletes have an attitude - and why not? the people around them coaches, press, friends just hype them up ALL the time, of course there gonna have attitudes

Boxing training is MUCH harder than MMA training, as admitted by tito ortiz himself, your forgetting, both these men are skilled, it's all about desire - and i'd like to believe tyson would win

I agree with this statement. You talk like MMA guys are the baddest on the planet. Shamrock would be lucky not to get killed, much less not beaten by Tyson. Liddell is a striker with average ground skills and he mostly KO's all the so called take down guys, I.E. Tito.

[FRANK WHITE]

[QUOTE=palme]So true, boxers hands are so irretating! Always in your face (no phun), i hate boxers, ill take on a judoka anyday.

Tyson would slaughter shamrock, it wouldnt even be funny to watch.

Thank You!

[Tyson2481]

Bottom line guys if it were boxing rules Tyson would demolish Shamrock if it went to the ground shamrock would have the edge. After seeing shamrock get his @ss kicked by some unknown this weekend Tyson would KO with one MAYBE 2 punches..

[MMA]

I agree with this statement. You talk like MMA guys are the baddest on the planet. Shamrock would be lucky not to get killed, much less not beaten by Tyson. Liddell is a striker with average ground skills and he mostly KO's all the so called take down guys, I.E. Tito.

this statement displays a real lack of understanding about how the fight game works.

lidell's punching is not mearly as good as any elite boxers. but the only reason he has the ability to even throw his punches is because he is a former collegiate wrestler with outstanding takedown defense. and his ground skills aren't so much "average" as highly specialized - he has extensively trained escapes, and has the ability to get back to his feet against almost any grappler. this is hard to do, and lidell is probably as good at it as anyone on the planet.

someone without lidells great complementary skills would not have the opportunity to use his punching skills effectively.

[MMA]

Bottom line guys if it were boxing rules Tyson would demolish Shamrock if it went to the ground shamrock would have the edge. After seeing shamrock get his @ss kicked by some unknown this weekend Tyson would KO with one MAYBE 2 punches..

obviously tyson spanks non boxers in a boxing match. read the first post, this question is about wh wins an MMA matc. and if it went to the ground, shamrock would have more than an edge, more like total dominance.

and yes, tyson could probably KO shamrock with 2 punches....but there is an excellent chance he wouldn't have the chance to land those 2 punches.

[MMA]

I agree with this statement. You talk like MMA guys are the baddest on the planet. Shamrock would be lucky not to get killed, much less not beaten by Tyson. Liddell is a striker with average ground skills and he mostly KO's all the so called take down guys, I.E. Tito.

we talk like MMA fighters are the baddest on the planet because they are. tyson isn't even a top 20 boxer anymore, nevermind him being able to dominate a sport he never trained in.

MMA fighters do tend to wreck their opponents by MMA rules (ane no rules). if there was some form of training that was better, we would be doing it.

[Box This*]

Ok lets face it tyson was one of the greatest heavy wieghts ever and thats if fact its actualy on paper so his record shows it...but i wil repeat tyson WAS* one of the greatest heavy wieghts and probably in my eyes since im 28 hes probably the best heavey wieght i have ever seen and the most exciting boxer i have ever seen and aggressive...so why dont we just put wieghts out of it and lets say Tyson v Silva :P

Lol what do u guys think of that for a fight

[FRANK WHITE]

we talk like MMA fighters are the baddest on the planet because they are. tyson isn't even a top 20 boxer anymore, nevermind him being able to dominate a sport he never trained in.

MMA fighters do tend to wreck their opponents by MMA rules (ane no rules). if there was some form of training that was better, we would be doing it.

If they were the baddest on the planet they would switch to boxing and make the big dollars. For example, who's gonna be better, an elite MMA guy who switches to boxing or an elite boxer who switches to MMA. Don't you think the MMA guys would go were the money is if they could. The problem is they can't because they have to rely on take down techniques in order not to get killed by a puncher. Thats because they have less talent than pro boxers, period. Baddest on the planet is not even funny its so far off, entertaining yes. And don't say I don't understand the sport. I know a lot more than you could imagine.

[nj123]

i dont think the mma guys would go to boxing for the money, if that was true im sure shamrock would still be a wrestler

[soo2bhuge]

If they were the baddest on the planet they would switch to boxing and make the big dollars. For example, who's gonna be better, an elite MMA guy who switches to boxing or an elite boxer who switches to MMA. Don't you think the MMA guys would go were the money is if they could. The problem is they can't because they have to rely on take down techniques in order not to get killed by a puncher. Thats because they have less talent than pro boxers, period. Baddest on the planet is not even funny its so far off, entertaining yes. And don't say I don't understand the sport. I know a lot more than you could imagine.

don't u think that a well-rounded fighter (one that knows submissions, takedowns, and others) would be a better fighter than one who just boxes?

i didn't read all of the posts, but r u guys discussing matchups between mma guys and boxers on the street or in a ring with rules?

if mma fought a boxer in the ring under boxing rules, he'd lose. bottom line! unless he was previously a boxer and knows how to take punches, cause part of the boxer's training (and mma for that matter) is to learn how to take punches. the difference is that boxers do it on a larger scale (more punches, more often).
if this fight were to happen under mma rules, i'm sure that a good mma guy would take the fight to the ground and there's no contest that he would beat any boxer, not just tyson.
if this was a street fight, well...then u never know and u never will unless tyson and shamrock duke it out on the street.

[yannick32]

Why, i love Shamrock and Tyson but there time is up, its time for the young guys to shine now,

Ken needs to rethink is fighting career cause since 2002 he didnt do much of an impact on the MMA world.

[MMA]

If they were the baddest on the planet they would switch to boxing and make the big dollars. For example, who's gonna be better, an elite MMA guy who switches to boxing or an elite boxer who switches to MMA. Don't you think the MMA guys would go were the money is if they could. The problem is they can't because they have to rely on take down techniques in order not to get killed by a puncher. Thats because they have less talent than pro boxers, period. Baddest on the planet is not even funny its so far off, entertaining yes. And don't say I don't understand the sport. I know a lot more than you could imagine.

again, a complete lack of understanding about how the fight game works. a world class wrestler that becomes an MMA champion can't suddenly switch to boxing, not be able to use 98% of his skills, and expect to have success. it's silly for you to even suggest that.

and they use takedowns to neutralize elite punchers because it's good strategy for their sport.

it's quite possible that boxing has attracted more talented athletes because it has more money. but we're not asking who is the more talented athete, we're asking whose training will allow him to beat the other guy in an MMA rules fight (or a no rules fight).

modern MMA training gives you a HUGE advantage over boxers (or any other 1 dimensonal fighter for that matter). they have the ablity to neutralize almost all of a boxers skills as soon as they clinch. an MMA trained fighter would beat a boxer 5 times more talented than he is, because of how deadly efficient his skills are.

[soo2bhuge]

again, a complete lack of understanding about how the fight game works. a world class wrestler that becomes an MMA champion can't suddenly switch to boxing, not be able to use 98% of his skills, and expect to have success. it's silly for you to even suggest that.

and they use takedowns to neutralize elite punchers because it's good strategy for their sport.

it's quite possible that boxing has attracted more talented athletes because it has more money. but we're not asking who is the more talented athete, we're asking whose training will allow him to beat the other guy in an MMA rules fight (or a no rules fight).

modern MMA training gives you a HUGE advantage over boxers (or any other 1 dimensonal fighter for that matter). they have the ablity to neutralize almost all of a boxers skills as soon as they clinch. an MMA trained fighter would beat a boxer 5 times more talented than he is, because of how deadly efficient his skills are.

that's what i was trying to say, but i think u did a better job.

[craneboy]

i think if mike worked on sprawling he would win. i would pay to see this fight. could you amagine tyson hittin someone with mma fight gloves on? OUCH!!! i think he would knock shamrocks dick in the dirt!

[MMA]

i think if mike worked on sprawling he would win. i would pay to see this fight. could you amagine tyson hittin someone with mma fight gloves on? OUCH!!! i think he would knock shamrocks dick in the dirt!

that was one of the more intelligent posts on this thread. tyson stands little chance with his present skills, but if he actually TRAINED for an MMA fight (and trained properly) he would have a fighting chance. i think cro cop (an elite kickboxer) only had 6 months of training in takedown defense before he has effective enough to "hang" with elite MMA fighters. after a couple of years of MMA, he is a contender. tyson could possibly do the same thing.

elite athletes from other styles have "converted" with great success, notably wrestlers. what people fail to mention is that even elite wretlers that don't crosstrain properly tend to get submitted a lot.

[catabolic kid]

Well, Ken never had lightning quick takedowns. Mike Tyson is so much more talented than ken shamrock...if the fight ever happened it would probaly last a few seconds. It would not go to the ground. The level of talent in mma is so much lower than that of boxing..especially when ken was in his prime.

The only mma guy that would stand a chance is couture-but this is still unlikely.

[FRANK WHITE]

Well, Ken never had lightning quick takedowns. Mike Tyson is so much more talented than ken shamrock...if the fight ever happened it would probaly last a few seconds. It would not go to the ground. The level of talent in mma is so much lower than that of boxing..especially when ken was in his prime.

The only mma guy that would stand a chance is couture-but this is still unlikely.

Thank You Catabolic. You just don't or won't get it will you Max Rep. Catabolic said it well, the talent gap is so wide between elite boxers and MMA fighters that there won't be any chance of a takedown or lock or whatever the hell you wan't to call it. Liddell, who is my favorite MMA fighter, Franklin, Shamrock, Tito, etc. would all be demolished in a less than thirty seconds by Tyson or any other elite heavyweight. The second they tried to come in they would either get there jaw broke, there ribs broke, or there head taken clean off, period. If you care about MMA fighters you better hope they never fight an elite boxer, because theres a good chance they would be seriously hurt.

I personally studied Jeet Kune do for over five years and have watched a few fighters previously from MMA, Jui Jitsu, etc, take on pro boxers with the same results every time. The got knocked out or taken out when they tried to come in. You don't understand the speed in which a pro boxer throws a punch until you see it in person. If someone like Tyson hit Shamrock even in the back he'd be out because his ribs would be busted, especially with MMA no gloves. You need to go watch some world class boxing matches and quit listening to your Jui jitsu intsructor. I don't care if its the Gracies themselves.

[MMA]

Thank You Catabolic. You just don't or won't get it will you Max Rep. Catabolic said it well, the talent gap is so wide between elite boxers and MMA fighters that there won't be any chance of a takedown or lock or whatever the hell you wan't to call it. Liddell, who is my favorite MMA fighter, Franklin, Shamrock, Tito, etc. would all be demolished in a less than thirty seconds by Tyson or any other elite heavyweight. The second they tried to come in they would either get there jaw broke, there ribs broke, or there head taken clean off, period. If you care about MMA fighters you better hope they never fight an elite boxer, because theres a good chance they would be seriously hurt.

I personally studied Jeet Kune do for over five years and have watched a few fighters previously from MMA, Jui Jitsu, etc, take on pro boxers with the same results every time. The got knocked out or taken out when they tried to come in. You don't understand the speed in which a pro boxer throws a punch until you see it in person. If someone like Tyson hit Shamrock even in the back he'd be out because his ribs would be busted, especially with MMA no gloves. You need to go watch some world class boxing matches and quit listening to your Jui jitsu intsructor. I don't care if its the Gracies themselves.

i was an amateur boxer for several years, and won my local golden gloves. i never boxed pro, but did regularly spar pros in the gym. i never sparred anyone the level of tyson, but i did spar some guys with good records and have a sound understanding of the capabilities of an elite pro.

i DID fight pro in MMA and i have a sound understanding of what they're capable of too.

you don't realize how hard it is to keep an elite grappler off of you. tyson is a dangerous fighter, but the deck is just too stacked in favor of the well rounded fighter.

shamrock isn't the best, but tyson has only a punchers chance against the top 50 fighters in MMA. or the top 20 heavyweights in boxing. he's not a superman.

renzo DID take down ex-IBF cruiserweight champion James Warring and beat him. he came in with a low single about 2 feet of the ground, way lower than tyson has ever trained to throw an uppercut. warring was quick on his feet and backpedaled, but renzo made amazing extension and still caught his lead ankle. warring didn't even get a chance to land a single punch.

[MMA]

in addition to specialized grappling attacks - even tyson averages at least 10-15 clinches before a knockout. without a referee to break the action, he would be taken down and submitted the FIRST time this happened against anyone with real grappling skills.

and don't think that a boxers stand up is SO much better than a martial artists that he wouldn't last long enough to clinch even once.

the "white buffalo" that clowned tyson for a few rounds has been competing in K1 and has been repeatedly spanked.

ray mercer got knocked out much faster in K1 than he did by world champion vitali klitchko.

klitchko himself was knocked out by a kickboxer when he tried to compete in kickboxing in his 20s.

kickboxers and martial artists used to suck compared to boxers, but they have been SERIOUSLY upgrading their game for a long time now.

martial artists no longer use that $hittty PKA style kickboxing, mixing $hitty kicking technique with even $hittier punching technique. in holland, the kickboxers have synthesized the best punching skills from boxing with the best MT techniques straight from thailand.

[FRANK WHITE]

Well I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this subject. You made some good points that made me rethink some things, a little, however.

[MMA]

Well I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this subject. You made some good points that made me rethink some things, a little, however.

well said. we shall respectfully disagree

[novastepp]

It's A Fight Anything Goes...Both Would Leave (put lightly) Wounded...It's Not Boxing So You'd Really Get To See Tyson Snap, and Shamrock Would Be Right At Home...Still It's A Fight Where The Only Rule Is...HURT THE OTHER GUY BEFORE HE HURTS YOU...it would be craziness

[MMA]

it would be a short fight either way...either shamrock would get the takedown and finish him, or tyson would catch him solid coming in, and it would be all over.

an MMA tactical note - your game plan varies based on the strengths on the weaknesses of your opponent. you'll often see ken go toe to toe with his opponents, and it's obvious tyson would knock him out quickly if he did that. ken knows that as well as we do, and only slugs it out with guys he thinks he can beat that way.

shamrock also doesn't always shoot frequently against other MMA fighters, as it can often be easily countered by guys trained to stop double and single leg takedowns. fighters who have never trained to defend double leg takedowns are notoriously vunerable to them. shooting at someone's legs is also a great defense to people moving in aggressively with punches to your head - the shoot involves changing levels as you go in, so you tend to come in under people punching at your head.

shamrock would not even attempt to slug it out with tyson, he would play on the outside and try to set up a shot for a double or single leg takedown the moment tyson moved in.

if he did get caught in punching range, another thing modern MMA fighters do against good punchers is CM defense - you basicly just completely cover up with your arms, not even attempting to be in punching position with either one, and try to close the distance as quickly as possible and wrap the guy up. it doesn't take long to do this, and it's hard to land a knockout shot on someone doing this. tyson has a devestating body shot, and this is a pretty good counter to this, but it's still often a very diificult tactic for strikers to deal with. it sounds stupid but i've dealt with it a lot and it's really is hard to counter.

tyson is a very dangerous fighter, with elite skills and tremendous speed and power, and he is quite capable of winning this fight with a thunderous knockout the first time they make contact - it's just not very likely. the odds really do favor the fighter with the broader skills just too much. tyson IS an amazingly talentd athlete more talented than ken ever thought of being, but there is just too much of a technical skill deficit

[catabolic kid]

Shamrock would not have a chance, bottom line.

If any mma fighter could defeat tyson, it would have to be one with explosive takedowns...shamrocks takedowns are weak...get a guy with explosive takedowns like KERR or maybe Couture.

Yes, Shamrock would win easily on the ground vs tyson...but I dont think he has the speed to take him down...tyson only needs a split second and he will knock him out with a serious combination.

[MMA]

Shamrock would not have a chance, bottom line.

If any mma fighter could defeat tyson, it would have to be one with explosive takedowns...shamrocks takedowns are weak...get a guy with explosive takedowns like KERR or maybe Couture.

Yes, Shamrock would win easily on the ground vs tyson...but I dont think he has the speed to take him down...tyson only needs a split second and he will knock him out with a serious combination.

i see your point, and shamrock doesn't have as good a takedown game as the elite wrestlers. but you don't NEED elite takedown skills against guys who have never once sparred with, or trained to defend against grapplers. royce took down professional fighters with ease (including ex world cruiserweight champ art jimmerson) and jiu jitsu guys are known for having the $hittiest takedowns in grappling (they spend all their time training ground). in fact, ken easily took down royce wenever they fought.

lessons of UFC 1 - a guy who spends 20 years defending punches and kicks and no days defending double leg takedowns has a ****ty double leg takedown defense. the same applies to a guy who does 20 years of defending just punches.

[catabolic kid]

i see your point, and shamrock doesn't have as good a takedown game as the elite wrestlers. but you don't NEED elite takedown skills against guys who have never once sparred with, or trained to defend against grapplers. royce took down professional fighters with ease (including ex world cruiserweight champ art jimmerson) and jiu jitsu guys are known for having the $hittiest takedowns in grappling (they spend all their time training ground). in fact, ken easily took down royce wenever they fought.

lessons of UFC 1 - a guy who spends 20 years defending punches and kicks and no days defending double leg takedowns has a ****ty double leg takedown defense. the same applies to a guy who does 20 years of defending just punches.

The above is all generalizations...it is true probably 95% of the time...I cant argue with that...but we are talking about Mike Tyson.

Can you imagine how apprehensive shamrock would be when trying to close the distance on tyson.
A well rounded fighter will always beat a good boxer/striker...Tyson is more than a good boxer/stiker, he is devastating and he would knock ken out cold without even connecting.

You simply cannot compare Tyson to other strikers...he has the most punching power of any human ever.

[MMA]

The above is all generalizations...it is true probably 95% of the time...I cant argue with that...but we are talking about Mike Tyson.

Can you imagine how apprehensive shamrock would be when trying to close the distance on tyson.
A well rounded fighter will always beat a good boxer/striker...Tyson is more than a good boxer/stiker, he is devastating and he would knock ken out cold without even connecting.

You simply cannot compare Tyson to other strikers...he has the most punching power of any human ever.

you certainly can. you can compare him to the guys that have taken his punches, and then knocked him on his ass or beaten the hell out of him - holyfield, lewis, douglas, willaims

"Tyson is more than a good boxer/stiker, he is devastating and he would knock ken out cold without even connecting."

this is the kind of irrational tyson worship i'm to educate people about. NOBODY can knock you out " without even connecting", not tyson, not some crazy kung fu master, nobody.

he was incredibly dominant in a weak era, and still pretty **** dangerous even after prison. but he was repeatedly beaten by the top fighters of his era (and some not so top). go to the boxing forums and ask where he'll be ranked in the hall of fame. you'll be surprised at howmany rank higher, and in how many categories.

[catabolic kid]

You cannot compare Tyson to other strikers in the MMA world.
You say he was good when boxing was a weak division...Shamrock was dominant when the ufc first began...it was really weak...really was not even MMA.

Here is an analogy that might help you realize the difference in talent between MMA and boxing (especially during KENs era): SHAMROCK is to TYSON as HIGHSCHOOL FOOTBALL is to THE NFL.

[catabolic kid]

in addition to specialized grappling attacks - even tyson averages at least 10-15 clinches before a knockout. without a referee to break the action, he would be taken down and submitted the FIRST time this happened against anyone with real grappling skills.
and don't think that a boxers stand up is SO much better than a martial artists that he wouldn't last long enough to clinch even once.

the "white buffalo" that clowned tyson for a few rounds has been competing in K1 and has been repeatedly spanked.

ray mercer got knocked out much faster in K1 than he did by world champion vitali klitchko.

klitchko himself was knocked out by a kickboxer when he tried to compete in kickboxing in his 20s.

kickboxers and martial artists used to suck compared to boxers, but they have been SERIOUSLY upgrading their game for a long time now.

martial artists no longer use that $hittty PKA style kickboxing, mixing $hitty kicking technique with even $hittier punching technique. in holland, the kickboxers have synthesized the best punching skills from boxing with the best MT techniques straight from thailand.

Yes, in a boxing ring...do you really think he would do this is mma.

Also, Has ken ever been caught with a punch beore taking his opponent to the ground? Im sure he has. But was it from a person as powerful as MIKE TYSON...hell no!

This fight comes down to this: the probability of tyson landing one punch on a guy with poor stand up defense (as compared to a boxer) VS the probability of shamrock (who is not great at takedowns) shooting in on tyson without getting caught.

In other words, Tysons punching ability vs kens takedown ability. ( Remember, tyson only needs one punch(.5 or less seconds) on a guy who cannot defend punches well).

SHAMROCK DOES NOT STAND A CHANCE!!!!!

[MTLMAN]

Talking from exp-i did two Karathe styles when i was a teenager and i have been bosing for three years now- my boxing training partner mixes between between boxing and take ondaoe, when he hooks (on the tarhet gloves im using) i feel the pain in my shoulders and i got a strong body, a one hook or upper cut with the mma gloves, lights out for any mma fighter , boxers rely on speed and strenth plus a boxer can go 10 rounds gettting all kind of punishsment in the face and ribs the most dangerous areas of the body and they know how to fully abosrb the shock.
you try to fight any boxer you will be on the floor befor eu even blink with all the fake punches they throw

but again it the fighter and not the martial art now if it was those three guys in their primes : Tyson-ken and bas rutten

Tyson would eat ken alive cause ken likes to go body to body
Tyson Vs Bas thats a tough game cause bas got nice kicks but still Tyson would win because he is used to get it in the head

now for the clinsh and floor holding, a boxer clinhes to save his energy (when its pure boxing), while in MMA to submit, i can only see tyson runnign in circles and pucnhing all what he needs is 1 pucnh to the jaw to finish ken

[MMA]

Yes, in a boxing ring...do you really think he would do this is mma.

Also, Has ken ever been caught with a punch beore taking his opponent to the ground? Im sure he has. But was it from a person as powerful as MIKE TYSON...hell no!

This fight comes down to this: the probability of tyson landing one punch on a guy with poor stand up defense (as compared to a boxer) VS the probability of shamrock (who is not great at takedowns) shooting in on tyson without getting caught.

In other words, Tysons punching ability vs kens takedown ability. ( Remember, tyson only needs one punch(.5 or less seconds) on a guy who cannot defend punches well).

SHAMROCK DOES NOT STAND A CHANCE!!!!!

yes tyson can put anyone to sleep with a single punch. but even tho his punches CAN put you to sleep, the fact is that they DON'T knock people out about 98% of the time. what is he averaging now, about 5 rounds of constant punching before he gets a knockout? thats a long time to keep a grappler of you. tyson is usually clinched numerous times before he gets a knockout (assuming he isn't etting knocked out himself). that is against guys with ZERO grappling ability, or even intending to grapple.

i realize that shamrocks standup isn't as good as the boxers tyson is fighting, but it really doesn't have to be. it's genuinely hard to land a knock out blow on a trained fighter before he gets the chance to grab you even once.

[MMA]

Talking from exp-i did two Karathe styles when i was a teenager and i have been bosing for three years now- my boxing training partner mixes between between boxing and take ondaoe, when he hooks (on the tarhet gloves im using) i feel the pain in my shoulders and i got a strong body, a one hook or upper cut with the mma gloves, lights out for any mma fighter , boxers rely on speed and strenth plus a boxer can go 10 rounds gettting all kind of punishsment in the face and ribs the most dangerous areas of the body and they know how to fully abosrb the shock.
you try to fight any boxer you will be on the floor befor eu even blink with all the fake punches they throw

i boxed longer than you did before getting invloved in MMA, i'm quite aware of what boxers are capable of. my opinion is based off of a lot of sparring and competition in both sports

but again it the fighter and not the martial art now if it was those three guys in their primes : Tyson-ken and bas rutten

Tyson would eat ken alive cause ken likes to go body to body

this displays a profound lack of understanding about what MMA is all about. MMA is about using your strongest game against your opponents weaknesses. are you seriously suggesting that because shamrock chose to slug it out against guys with strong grappling skills, that he will think slugging it out with tyson is a good idea? that ain't they way it works, no MMA fighter "likes to go body to body" with tyson when they know how painfully vulnerable he is to grappling.

Tyson Vs Bas thats a tough game cause bas got nice kicks but still Tyson would win because he is used to get it in the head

now for the clinsh and floor holding, a boxer clinhes to save his energy (when its pure boxing), while in MMA to submit, i can only see tyson runnign in circles and pucnhing all what he needs is 1 pucnh to the jaw to finish ken

you can see that all you want, but you obviously haven't seen UFC 1-10. that just isn't what as happened with one dimensional fighters.

[Cyto78]

Un ****ing believable this thread is.I'm just gonna post this one time and let it be because we obviously have some youngsters on here that that know little about fighting and will argue until their blue in the face.You all know who you are....it takes 1 demensional minds to believe that a 1 demensional fighter would be able to dominate a multi-demensional fighter. An MMA fighters skill is so far beyond that of your "1" demensional fighter aka BOXER..... its a joke that this thread has went on this long......Boxing is a great sport and entertaining to watch and if you know how to box than you are ahead of most in the fighting game......but if you know how to do a little bit of everthing and are world class at it you will destroy a just boxer.....unless of course you make a mistake and get hit just as Randy did by Chuck.....I put my money on Randy that the 3rd go around with Chuck he will not get ko'ed and take it to Chuck like he did in their first fight....he will go back to what he does best and ground and pound on the striker.....and this is against somebody that is world class at defending against a fighter like Couture........Tysons only hope would be to get that one shot in.....let me repeat Tysons only "hope" would be to get that one shot that may or may not KO Ken or any other MMA fighter for that matter....if he did not I would feel much more sorry for him than I have in his most recent fights...no need to explain the reasoning behind this because those on here that are knowledgeable about fighting know exactly what I mean by saying this.Definately youngsters arguing that boxers would dominate..... .........hey young bucks learn all the boxing you can learn train hard get good...then go learn all the grappling you can learn ...train hard...then train even harder..... get good....then you will dominate all your little boxing buddys......now if you realy want to become something speacial learn other MMA skills...Chicken is pretty good by itself but it is alot better when you ad maybe some green beans..maybe a baked patato.....why not a big glass of milk and for desert some watermellon........this applys to fighting as well..the more you know the better the fighter,,,figure I better explain that being you young bucks are still learning and would not understand the chicken anoligy.....I think I just made myself hungry.....later bros

[MMA]

boxing is a very effective fighting art, i use it in MMA all the time. but if you don't have a complete game, and have never trained to defend against a grappler, you are at a SERIOUS disadvantage against someone who IS a complete fighter. he can really exploit all your weaknesses. your punches won't mean much if you have very little opportunity to use them. yeah, tyson could end it if he caught him solid coming in. this is called a "punchers chance", and its just not good odds

[TestTubeBaby]

ur opinion is WAY too biased to give a rational retort

[craneboy]

boxing is a very effective fighting art, i use it in MMA all the time. but if you don't have a complete game, and have never trained to defend against a grappler, you are at a SERIOUS disadvantage against someone who IS a complete fighter. he can really exploit all your weaknesses. your punches won't mean much if you have very little opportunity to use them. yeah, tyson could end it if he caught him solid coming in. this is called a "punchers chance", and its just not good odds

so you could take Tyson?.............................

[MMA]

ur opinion is WAY too biased to give a rational retort

biased? i competed for years as an elite amateur in one sport, and then as a pro in the other. why is my opinion biased, because it doesn't agree with yours? my opinion is not biased, simply educated. the fact is that one dimensional strikers have been repeatedly shown to be very vulnerable to attacks by grapplers.

[MMA]

so you could take Tyson?.............................

did i say i was ken shamrock? thats what we've been discussing. but for the record, tyson would probably lose to the top 20 boxers in the world today, and the top 50 MMA fighters.

in his prime, the list is shorter, but still extensive.

[jc3]

Yeah right


Prime no way! And now, he would lose to quite a few heavyweights and maybe and I do mean maybe, a couple of MMA guys.

[FRANK WHITE]

Yeah right


Prime no way! And now, he would lose to quite a few heavyweights and maybe and I do mean maybe, a couple of MMA guys.

Tyson would not lose to any MMA fighters. Sorry MMA, but your avatar sais who is biased. Of course were talking about an in shape Tyson. The problem is simple, The MMA gloves. Tyson hits extremely hard with normal boxing gloves. Simply put, he would risk killing someone with MMA gloves with every punch. Also, it wouldn't have to be a punch to the face, If a grappler comes in low he could punch him in the back and break his ribs, or back of the head.

For example, if Tyson was to study MMA instead of boxing, it would take away from his skill level as a boxer in my opinion. Remember, were not talking about someone just starting out but someone who has reached the zenith in his sport. If Liddel can knock out Coutere, who was supposed to be the best in MMA, then what do you think Tyson would do to Liddel. Liddel is my favorite MMA fighter but his goal in every fight is to strike an opponent out, not submit them. If he stood toe to toe with Tyson he would get killed, simple as that.

Grappling and takedown moves work, I agree with you there, but they won't against someone with the speed and power of an in shape Tyson. Sorry bro, I respect you experience, but I have five tough years of experience with Dan Inosanto and several more with Kent Moyer. The only MMA guys who might stand a chance against a Mike Tyson in his prime fighter would be someone like Bruce Lee. A man with extraordinary speed and power. Someone who could avoid Tyson's shots and return with enough power to do damage themselves.

To the gentleman who sais everyone is a youngster who believes a one dimensional fighter can't beat a well rounded fighter look up the name Bill Wallace. He won many Marshal arts tourney's with just a right roundhouse kick. And I'm no youngster either.

In Summary, being extraordinary in one technique will win against someone who is simply very good at several technique's and to achieve that extraordinary level one must train those basics over and over.


As we stated earlier, I respect your opinion. We'll simply have to agree to disagree. But its a fun discussion.