CARB UP, FAT LOAD, WATER all explained and planned out for you

[MIKE_XXL]

regarding oats you mean it makes a difference if we consume them with water or not as in these days we are still drinking 2 gallons of water a day , should we space drinking water from food intake ?
yes thats really good to eat 2000 cal from junk ,its true if you work it out its just about 2 dognuts , maybe 2 chocolate bars and 3 burgers and you are there in the 2000 calories range , thats going to be a big sin for me as i did not eat any sugary stuff for the last 10 months

No you do not have to space water from meals...good luck...XXL

[MIKE_XXL]

Hey Mike, I still have some issues that I would like your opinion on, if you don't mind.
So: female bodybuilder, I will be around 146 lbs in contest shape at 5'7''. So far I have tried the classical pre-contest manipulation of salt/water/ carbs but I have always been too soft and never managed to achive the crisp dry look.
This time I will definatelly change this. I am 6 weeks out now. I plan to get only 100 grams of oatmeal a day 4 weeks before and rest of it from veggies. So I will be pretty depleted and won't need the 3 days workout depletion that usually got me walking in my 4 paws after finishing.

I was thinking that, because I won't have any juice support and because I am also a woman I should make the carbing up phase shorter, start carbing up Thursday mid day. What do you think? I am really afraid of not spilling over again, it seems that starting from Tuesday with carb up did this to me.
Also, how many grams of carbs you think I should take daily?
Sorry to bother you again, but I am trying to find the best way for me and any advice would be welcome.

Thank you!

Yes reduction in carbs can be wise considering you are female...starting thursday sounds good, as for carb amounts, to be safe i would go with half of what i recomend for guys, because you are a girl, being on a safe side is good, and i would skip the decarb workuot asyou said you will be doing...good luck...XXL

[drinu]

Hi mike im in my last 3 days ,its mot that bad to eat raw oats without water (hehe).
my question is regarding the fat load day , as i told you the competition is at 6 pm so i will load at around 12.00 pm , but if i wake up at 7.00 a.m. should i eat just 1 meal consisting of oats , chicken and p.butter ?? and how much oats in grams shall i take ? and then fat load at 12.00 p.m. and then eat nothing till 6.00 p.m. or should we have another meal of chicken oats at 3.00 pm., because its pretty hard to eat this day especially when you cant drink any water after eating ,

Thanks and i hope i explained myself

[drinu]

has someone got an answer for my question apart mike as i need it for today,
if some one else did this fat/carb load think maybe you can answer.

Thanks

[MIKE_XXL]

Hi mike im in my last 3 days ,its mot that bad to eat raw oats without water (hehe).
my question is regarding the fat load day , as i told you the competition is at 6 pm so i will load at around 12.00 pm , but if i wake up at 7.00 a.m. should i eat just 1 meal consisting of oats , chicken and p.butter ?? and how much oats in grams shall i take ? and then fat load at 12.00 p.m. and then eat nothing till 6.00 p.m. or should we have another meal of chicken oats at 3.00 pm., because its pretty hard to eat this day especially when you cant drink any water after eating ,

Thanks and i hope i explained myself

Yes it is OK to eat at 7:00am if you wake up, between fat/carb load meal and prejudging you can eat some chicken and potatoe and PB at 3:00pm...this way it won't be so dry...at this point you can not fak it up...good luck Bro!
XXL

[drinu]

Thanks bro
i am on my day today , its not that bad at all dry oats as you said once you get used to it ,this morning i seem pretty good i ate oats with chicken a peanut butter no water no i will fat/carb load at 12.00 p.m. , i hope this carb/fat load thing works as its my first time trying it ,i will tell you how it went

thanks again

the only thing that really sucks about all this is 1 day without water , i am used to drink around 2 gallons a day

[anabolicwannabe]

i finished in 2nd in my show. but apparently i had too much dreamtan on which washed out my definition (yeah, imagine the irony of using dreamtan to enhance my definition cause i'm real fair and it ended up washing out my definition instead) which might have cost me my first place finish. nonetheless it was a good experience.

i have to say it's probably thanks to mike. one question though, i was still peeing around 14 hours after cutting water. did i go wrong somewhere or is this normal? it's not like a trickle of pee but quite a significant amount, i'd say.

[MIKE_XXL]

i finished in 2nd in my show. but apparently i had too much dreamtan on which washed out my definition (yeah, imagine the irony of using dreamtan to enhance my definition cause i'm real fair and it ended up washing out my definition instead) which might have cost me my first place finish. nonetheless it was a good experience.

i have to say it's probably thanks to mike. one question though, i was still peeing around 14 hours after cutting water. did i go wrong somewhere or is this normal? it's not like a trickle of pee but quite a significant amount, i'd say.

I often pee 24 hours after cutting water, so it can be normal, i think you did well, CONGRATS...maybe next time if you want you can cut water 2 hours earlier and see what happens...CONGRATS AGAIN and let's see some pics!
XXL

[anabolicwannabe]

well i'm on my roommate's laptop now cause my desktop's spoilt.. pics are in the process.. i'll see if they're big enough to be uploaded.. i think they're pretty small, we'll see soon enough

i'm not too sure if i wanna cut another 2 hours because i was on the verge of fainting on stage. when my name was announced, i turned left instead of right. i swear it was embarassing. but i have to add i only had 3.5 hours of sleep as i was too afraid the night before to sleep so that might have added to the fainting spell.. would adequate sleep with additional cutting of water help?

and thanks, half my success could be credited to you heh. too bad it's only a small town show.

[drinu]

i can say this diet worked pretty well but probably i needed to carb a little longer as i did not come out full as expected but thats what we learn from trail and error
i cant post any photos as the file is too large

[anabolicwannabe]

this was the best photo i could upload. the rest was just blur or had me turning to other judges and not in view of the camera person.

[bigbouncinballs]

no questions, just a thanks for a great read.

[MIKE_XXL]

this was the best photo i could upload. the rest was just blur or had me turning to other judges and not in view of the camera person.

You look good Bro, CONGRATS on your success...XXL

[MIKE_XXL]

i can say this diet worked pretty well but probably i needed to carb a little longer as i did not come out full as expected but thats what we learn from trail and error
i cant post any photos as the file is too large

Maybe next time start a day earlier or increase the carbs by 50gm on each day during the carb up...

resize the pics and let's see'em...XXL

[pscarb]

MIke i normally do 1.5-2 days carb up before a show but always come in flat i want to give this approach a trail this coming weekend for my next show the week after (14th may) my question is that the weigh in is at 1pm but i won't be onstage until 5-6pm how long does it normally take to get the best results from this approach i understand that this is a loaded question somewhat....

[MIKE_XXL]

MIke i normally do 1.5-2 days carb up before a show but always come in flat i want to give this approach a trail this coming weekend for my next show the week after (14th may) my question is that the weigh in is at 1pm but i won't be onstage until 5-6pm how long does it normally take to get the best results from this approach i understand that this is a loaded question somewhat....

Anywhere 8-10 hours before going on stage should be fine...so i would eat up around 9-10am...good luck and let me know how it works out...XXL

[pscarb]

cheers mike this thread is very good as it covers all aspects it is great to see someone who is not shy of sharing knowledge to other competing BB as you know non of us stop learning hell i have competed in 18shows and i still learn something new each time...

so you would definatly recomend to trial this approach the week before (next weekend) to get timing correct...?

[pscarb]

i trialed this approach today with decent results i did find that i need to change the food types to less sweet as i felt sick and i have to agree eating crap without water is not much fun....a few alterations for next week should have me coming in nice and tight.

[MIKE_XXL]

i trialed this approach today with decent results i did find that i need to change the food types to less sweet as i felt sick and i have to agree eating crap without water is not much fun....a few alterations for next week should have me coming in nice and tight.

Good the addition of diuretics and cutting water will make a big differance in final result...good luck and you have a PM...XXL

[tele20]

Any other recommandations of what to load with the day of the show other then the few on the intial post. I plan to do this load and was wondering if I should limit myself to those things.

Another question. How many carbs do you think should be consumed the days before the carbing up starts?

[Jakt]

after you cut out water on friday, you eat your last (2-3) meals correct?

[tele20]

after you cut out water on friday, you eat your last (2-3) meals correct?

I plan on chomping down on dry as bones oats after I cut my water friday. So yes.

[Jakt]

also on tues carb up after workout, u consume the rice cakes w/ some kind of prtien source correct? and the meals at 9pm and 11pm also include pro?

[MIKE_XXL]

also on tues carb up after workout, u consume the rice cakes w/ some kind of prtien source correct? and the meals at 9pm and 11pm also include pro?

Yes sir...usually chicken..........

[Jakt]

my diuretics are going to be b6 and dandilion root... how much of each should i take and when? take at 5 (or whenever i cut water) or start taking it a couple days in advance or what?

thanx again

[MIKE_XXL]

my diuretics are going to be b6 and dandilion root... how much of each should i take and when? take at 5 (or whenever i cut water) or start taking it a couple days in advance or what?

thanx again

Dandilion root i would start 3 days out at 1000mg twice a day...XXL

[RippedNatural]

Mike, I used a similar diet myself this year, but carb depleted hard for 2 days, than loaded from Thursday on. Never ate like shit until a ccouple hours before show time or less. I never felt like I get get a good pump or really fill out. It sounds like your technique of loading earlier may work for me. I remember that I also could not keep the vascularity high.
Any suggestions on what to eat to get the veins out? I tried grease,fat,sugar etc weeks before show time but nothing seemed to really effect me.
Also, when do you cut your sodium with your diet?
Thanks ...

[MIKE_XXL]

Mike, I used a similar diet myself this year, but carb depleted hard for 2 days, than loaded from Thursday on. Never ate like shit until a ccouple hours before show time or less. I never felt like I get get a good pump or really fill out. It sounds like your technique of loading earlier may work for me. I remember that I also could not keep the vascularity high.
Any suggestions on what to eat to get the veins out? I tried grease,fat,sugar etc weeks before show time but nothing seemed to really effect me.
Also, when do you cut your sodium with your diet?
Thanks ...

My views on this have changed a bit, so what i wouold do is shitload...if you do a seearch you will find out what i mean...works great for filling out anf vascularitty, as for sodium i do not believe in manipulating it...peace...XXL

[chicken&tuna]

someone told me i sould o in the steam room before compitition to get all my water weight out.... is this a good idea? i am worried it will leave me with loose skin or something.... if its ok when and how long should i stay in there

[Fjock]

someone told me i sould o in the steam room before compitition to get all my water weight out.... is this a good idea? i am worried it will leave me with loose skin or something.... if its ok when and how long should i stay in there

DO NOT DO THIS. You are not a wrestler or boxer. No time in the steam room what so ever.

[MIKE_XXL]

DO NOT DO THIS. You are not a wrestler or boxer. No time in the steam room what so ever.

Agree, unless you absolutly have to make weight no steam room...XXL

[Property of Steroid.com]

some people call that aproach the "sh*tloading".
how do u compare this to the traditional 3 day carb loading (low gi that is)?

Every form of ***leting and loading have merits and flaws. There's no magic in any of them. Their results are all basically the same. the more intricate ones are typically used by pre-contest "coaches" who want to look smarter than they are.

[WEBB]

99% of ***leting and loading is trial and error, imo...i have done the regular one and it worked ok but then i shit loaded with mikexxL plan and it was amazing...some guys like it others dont, some guys it works for others it doesnt....it is all ***ending on your body...

[MIKE_XXL]

The only reason people do not like shiatloading is because they feel guilty to eat junk food and are affraid of trying somwthing outside their regural 3 day carb load which has many, many flaws...in my opinion it will work time in and time out, and for 99% of population...XXL

[RippedNatural]

Mike, I ***leted carbs Wednesday-Thursday. Drank normal high water intake, kept sodium in.

Friday-drank 1/2 gallon water before noon, then cut water out. No sodium all day. 10 grams carbs all day. Friday evening I ate hamburg and baked potato(can't stand sweet potatoes) to start load process. about 12 oz. water before bed. continued 2 meals and some rice cakes-plain through night.

Saturday- woke up and continued loading on hamburg and potato. I was hoping the fat in the hamburg would help fill me out and make me more vascular. no sodium still. weighed in, continued loading. About 1 hour before show my legs looked like sh*t. I scarfed down about 8 chicken wings coated in hot sauce. Sodium supercharge. This sucked my remaining water into the muscle. Felt much fuller than previous contest and had better hardness. I also ate a small amount of chocolate.

This said, I still wasn't as cut as when I completely water ***leted last year. But, I was fuller and got a better pump. I think there is a give and take here. If you have plenty of muscle, dry out completely and rip up. But if you want to hold a little more size and still look good, this works.

I used a little of your ideas and as you know, everyone's body differs in results. Thanks...

[killaB]

First of all bad ass post, been looking for some quality advice and i found all i needed here. Wanted to know timing of taraxatone and how much, serving size says three pills in the morning and three in the afternoon. your post said to start one hour pre cutting water and to check your self after midnight and determine if you need another dose? so how would i proceed for tomm, my pictures are at Monday afternoon at 6pm, i plan on cutting water tomm afternoon at 5? six pills at 4 pm and then check at after midnight or just three and check at midnight and take three more?

[Bast]

Hi and thanks for the info! Last show I didn't really feel like I came in as full as I could, so this time I was gonna try this, have some questions though.

1: You said you cut supplements (protein etc) 1 week out, so only protein from chicken and beef for the rest?

2: Running aldactone (diuretic) for just 1 day more or less? Most use it for a much longer time, would there be any harm using it for a couple more days?

3: Also, my show is on saturday (2 weeks from now), was still thinking of depleteing on cod (like i did for last show and it did help) 2,2lbs for 2 days, did use protein shakes then also but maybe I shouldn't? That means starting depletion on sunday + monday and then start loading as you say on tuesday.

4: Do you eat anything on tuesday before the 7pm meal post training?

5: Is it ok to continue cardio wednesday out (comp on saturday).

6: Is it ok to use baked potatoes instead of oatmeal for loading?

7: I do use some salt in my dinner now 2 weeks out, should I cut it the last week?

8: I eat this now: 150cals, 18g fat, 250g protein, 1800cals total I weigh about 217lbs now aiming for about 206-208 come comp day. Think im on time and all but dont really want to cut the cardio that soon.... what do you think?

Sincerely,,
Bast

[majormobley]

this might be stupid question but you said on tuesday right after workout take in 100-120grams of simple sugars, and you eat rice cakes for that. So how many rice cakes you eat after workout then?

Another question?
1. If i have been doing barly any carbs, then start carbing up it won't take my lines away from my abs or legs will it.
2. I have 4days left and my weight is 1lbs over and thats it. So will carb up help me keep my weight on or take it off?
3. The show is saturday-prejudging at 11-noon, so if i am not to depleded but getting smaller it seems can I still carb up on tuesday night/wed/thurs/fri

[AandF6969]

Mike, how long before stage time do you fatload?

EDIT - found it. I'm going onstage at about 10:30 AM so I'll load at 6:30 or 7AM. Probably just wait to eat a Snickers at 9:45 or 10:00 before pump up.

Thanks for the advice bro....

[blotcher]

mike...
Ive been lurking around on here for the past month or so, and this read is AWESOME and prompted me to join and post up.
As of Sat, Im 2 weeks out from my comp, and Ive had issues in the past with the carb up/ water depleation format.

Thanks a bunch for posting this.
Im gonna try it next week.

Blotcher