lookin for solid imput...

[scerpico22]

whats up bro's - after many posts and much reading...this is where im at.
lookin for some approvals or suggestions for the following cycle/diet

your final imput is much appreciated!!!!

I start next monday - 2nd cycle

stats / cycle / diet / workout - listed below

Age 32
6"1'
215lbs
18% BF
Goals: size 15-20 lbs/lean up 12%bf

Cycle:
1-12 Sust 250mg EOD
1 - 4 Dbol 30 ED
11 - 14 winny 50mg ED
Nolva 10mg ED though cycle and PCT

PCT - 21 days after last Sust shot
1 - 30 Nolva 20mg ED
1 - 30 Clomid 100mg ED
1 - 30 Ldex .25 ED

Letro - on Hand incase of signs of Gyno

Diet

Calories / Protein / Fat / Carbs / Serving

Meal 1 - procarb - 8:00am
Egg Beaters - 150 / 30 / 0 / 5 / 1 1/4 cups
Wheat Bread - 120 / 8 / 2 / 20 / 2 slices
Peanut Butter - 190 / 7 / 17 / 7 / 2 tbs
Oatmeal - 100 / 4 / 2 / 19 / 1 packet
Turkey Sliced - 80 / 16 / 1 / 2 / 4 slices
Total - 640 / 35 / 22 / 48

Meal 2 - profat - 10:30am
Ground Beef - 291 / 45 / 11 / 0 / 6 oz
Chesse 2% - 50 / 4 / 3 / 1 / 1 slice
Total - 341 / 49 / 14 / 1

Meal 3 - procarb - 1:00pm
Chicken Breast - 284 / 53 / 6 / 0 / 1 breast - 6oz
Chicken Breast - 284 / 53 / 6 / 0 / 1 breast - 6oz
Baked Potato - 163 / 4 / 0 / 37 / 1 pot
Total - 730 / 110 / 13 / 37

Meal 4 - procarb - 3:30pm
Protien Shake - 310 / 43 / 7 / 20 / 17oz can RTD
Banana - 105 / 1 / 0.5 / 27 / medium
Total - 415 / 44 / 7 / 47

Meal 5 - profat - 6:00pm
Mayo Light - 90 / 0 / 8 / 4 / 2 tbs
Tuna White - 240 / 36 / 9 / 0 / 6 oz
Broccoli - 55 / 4 / 1 / 11 / 1 cup
Total- 385 / 40 / 18 / 15

WORKOUT 7pm

Meal 6 - procarb - 8:30
Protien Shake - 310 / 43 / 7 / 20 / 1 can
Dextrose - 150 / 0 / 0 / 40 / 10 tsp
Total - 460 / 43 / 7 / 60

Meal 7 - procarb - 10:30
Chicken Breast - 284 / 53 / 6 / 0 / 1 breast - 6oz
Brown Rice - 160 / 3 / 2 / 32 / 1 cup
Total - 444 / 56 / 8 / 32

Meal 8 - profat - 12:30
Protien Shake - 310 / 43 / 7 / 0 / 1 can
Peanut Butter - 190 / 7 / 17 / 7 / 2 tbs
Total - 500 / 50 / 24 / 7

Daily Total - 4224 / 316 / 100 / 183

Workout - I plan on following the program listed in the AR main page - Anabolic Workouts

Day 1: Chest, biceps
Bench presses 3 sets 6- 8 reps
Incline bench presses 2 sets 6- 8 reps
Dips with added weights 2 sets 8-10 reps
Barbell curls 3 sets 6-10 reps
Dumbbell curls 2 sets 6-10 reps

Day 3: Thighs
Squats 3 sets 6-10 reps
Leg presses 2 sets 8-10 reps
Leg curls 2 sets 8-10 reps

Day 5: Shoulder, triceps
Presses behind neck 3 sets 6- 8 reps
Upright row 2 sets 8-10 reps
Side laterals 2 sets 8-10 reps
Lying triceps presses 3 sets 6-10 reps
Triceps pulley pushdown 2 sets 8-10 reps

Day 7: Back. calves
Chins with added weight 3 sets 8-10 reps
Lat pull to neck 2 sets 8-10 reps
Barbell bent-over row 2 sets 6-10 reps
Seated cable row 2 sets 6-10 reps
Standing calf raise 3 sets 8-12 reps
Seated calf raise 2 sets 8-12 reps

[biglouie250]

to me if your looking to lean up your doing the wrong cycle and diet plan. dbol and sust = bloat city. you know no to start out with 160mcg of clen too right?? pyramid up from 20mcg's and you better have taurine on hand. if your looking to cut bodyfat a better cycle would be prop, winny and tren and the clen if so desired. not enough carbs PWO and too many pro-carb meals throughout the day. and your mixing too many fats and carbs IMO to lose any weight. oh and for the most part either go cutting or go bulking. you really wont be able to gain 15-20lbs and lose 6% bf.

[scerpico22]

the main idea is to put on some good weight. I know that D-bol and Sust is lot of bloating so ill stick it out - i guess i was hoping too much much for some bf lose...

I have a winny/primo cycle waiting in the wings to lean up when im done with this.

ill take a look at the PWO carb intake pluse the procarb meals through out the day.

[1buffsob]

Yeah, no kidding bro. You're going about this all wrong. Whether or not your cycling, your diet is crap. It's not really geared towards a solid bulk, and it's sure as hell nowhere near a cutter. You're mixing macros, your PWO sucks, etc. It seems like you can't decide what you want to do, build lean mass or lose fat. You have to focus on one, my suggestion would be cutting at that bf%, and whatever else you get, ie lbm or drop in bf, will just be icing on the cake.

I'd do a solid cutter for 10-12 weeks, then start a lean bulk with the cycle. Either way, your diet isn't going to do crap for you.

1buffsob

[scerpico22]

to me if your looking to lean up your doing the wrong cycle and diet plan. dbol and sust = bloat city. you know no to start out with 160mcg of clen too right?? pyramid up from 20mcg's and you better have taurine on hand. if your looking to cut bodyfat a better cycle would be prop, winny and tren and the clen if so desired. not enough carbs PWO and too many pro-carb meals throughout the day. and your mixing too many fats and carbs IMO to lose any weight. oh and for the most part either go cutting or go bulking. you really wont be able to gain 15-20lbs and lose 6% bf.

whats a good target carb intake PWO?

[scerpico22]

Yeah, no kidding bro. You're going about this all wrong. Whether or not your cycling, your diet is crap. It's not really geared towards a solid bulk, and it's sure as hell nowhere near a cutter. You're mixing macros, your PWO sucks, etc. It seems like you can't decide what you want to do, build lean mass or lose fat. You have to focus on one, my suggestion would be cutting at that bf%, and whatever else you get, ie lbm or drop in bf, will just be icing on the cake.

I'd do a solid cutter for 10-12 weeks, then start a lean bulk with the cycle. Either way, your diet isn't going to do crap for you.

1buffsob

talk about bursting a bubble...here i thought i was ready to go.

well back to the drawing board!

[1buffsob]

the main idea is to put on some good weight. I know that D-bol and Sust is lot of bloating so ill stick it out - i guess i was hoping too much much for some bf lose...

Sounds fine.

I have a winny/primo cycle waiting in the wings to lean up when im done with this.

Remember, not only do steroids not burn fat (diet and cardio will ), Time on should equal time off, which means you'll be waiting at least 3-4 months before starting your other cycle. Also, winny/primo??????

ill take a look at the PWO carb intake pluse the procarb meals through out the day.

Carbs need to be up to at least 250g IMO for a solid bulk. And protein should be upped as well, closer to 400. If you're looking to keep it on the leaner side, drop some fat intake.

1buffsob

[scerpico22]

Sounds fine.

Remember, not only do steroids not burn fat (diet and cardio will ), Time on should equal time off, which means you'll be waiting at least 3-4 months before starting your other cycle. Also, winny/primo??????



Carbs need to be up to at least 250g IMO for a solid bulk. And protein should be upped as well, closer to 400. If you're looking to keep it on the leaner side, drop some fat intake.

1buffsob

thanks brother - i will revise and repost

thanks for the input

[biglouie250]

whats a good target carb intake PWO?

double whatever protein your getting. i go with about 40-45g of protein PWO and 75-90g of dextrose. depends on how im feeling. sometimes a feel bloated and go with less carbs. diet should never be stagant. listen to your body!!!

[scerpico22]

Adjusted Let me know what ya think

Cal / Pro / Carb / Fat

Meal 1 - procarb - 8:00am
Egg Beaters - 8 240 48 8 0
Oatmeal 100 4 19 2
Banana 105 1.3 27 0.4
Scoup of Protien 110 23 3 2
555 76 57 4


Meal 2 - profat - 10:30am
Ground Beef 291 45 0 11
Spinach 10 1 2 0
Cheddar Chesse 2% 50 4 1 3
Cheddar Chesse 2% 50 4 1 3
401 54 4 17


Meal 3 - procarb - 1:00pm
Chicken Breast 284 53 0 6
Pasta Wheat 310 12 62 2
594 65 62 8


Meal 4 - profat - 3:30pm
Mayo Light 90 0 4 8
Tuna Albacor White 240 36 0 9
330 36 4 17


Meal 5 - procarb - 6:00pm
Scoup of Protien 110 23 3 2
Scoup of Protien 110 23 3 2
Skim Milk 90 9 13 0
310 55 19 4


WORKOUT 7pm


Meal 6 - PWO - 8:30
Scoup of Protien 110 23 3 2
Scoup of Protien 110 23 3 2
Dextrose 150 40
Dextrose 150 40
520 46 86 4

Meal 7 - PPWO - 10:30
Chicken Breast 284 53 0 6
Brown Rice 160 3 32 2
Brown Rice 160 3 32 2
604 59 64 9


Meal 8 - profat - 12:30
Cottage Cheese 284 53 0 6
Peanut Butter 190 7 7 17
474 60 7 23

TOTAL FOR DAY 3787 452 303 87

[1buffsob]

Meals look real solid bro The only problem that may arise is the 8 meals a day. If you can do it, that's great. But a lot of people have trouble if there's more than 6 because it sets them up for failure. Either way, looks pretty solid. You'll have to see how it does for you the first 3-4 weeks and change things up a tad if you're not seeing the result you want. A physical assesment every 2 weeks is needed to make sure you're progressing.

Good luck.

1buffsob

[scerpico22]

Meals look real solid bro The only problem that may arise is the 8 meals a day. If you can do it, that's great. But a lot of people have trouble if there's more than 6 because it sets them up for failure. Either way, looks pretty solid. You'll have to see how it does for you the first 3-4 weeks and change things up a tad if you're not seeing the result you want. A physical assesment every 2 weeks is needed to make sure you're progressing.

Good luck.

1buffsob

yea the 8 will be tough but i am determined...work would be the obstical to keep it but im pushing for it.

worse case just combine evenly procarb to procarb and profat to profat...to reduce to lets say 6 meals?

[scerpico22]

as promised....i posted the progress thread over in the member cycle forum

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=240322