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12-10-2006, 03:18 AM #361
good info
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12-10-2006, 09:58 AM #362New Member
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How long does it take....?
Hi
I've had some gyno occuring over the last 2 months, and now I'm taking Femara (letro) for almost a month, but I don't see anything happen. :-/
How long does it take for it to go away? I mean, it was pretty fresh after all, so... I hope I don't have to take letro for the rest of my life... hmm.
I have a box of Nolva ready too for when my month of letro is over.
Any advice? Time estimates?
Tnx
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01-06-2007, 09:32 PM #363Member
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Bino, inregards to your anit-gyno protocal...... if it takes awhile for letro to build up in the body then wouldnt it be advisable to run an AI like Adex for a few days with the letro until the letro takes effect......
I am currently running a cycle of oral turanibol, only a week in.. I am using Adex 1/2mg every 3 days.... I have very very mild gyno starting in my left pec/nipple.. it may have been a previous condition from a natural bulking cycle early in the summer that has just recently worsened since starting my first cycle of AAS w/ propecia (hair protection) should I increase my adex dosage or get right on letro? thanx billy
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01-16-2007, 07:32 PM #364New Member
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Oh Master of the Mammaries... a question if I may.
Seriously, I do have a relevant question.
If someone had gyno from puberty, as was mentioned earlier in the thread, and it went away, would that person be more prone to gyno while on gear?
I seem to remember as a young lad having a lump on one or both sides of my chest. Wasn't swollen or even noticeable visually but I, or anyone else for that matter, could feel the bumps. I believe my mother even took me to a doctor, but nothing was done and as was mentioned earlier, they went away. I'm sure the doctor probably explained that to my mom.
Forward 20 years, ok, give a couple (or a few), more years later, I'm concerned that might make me more susceptible. From your advice, I'm planning on running letro throughout the cycle regardless.
As always, I appreciate anyone taking the time to read or reply.
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01-17-2007, 06:56 PM #365New Member
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Wow. Thanks you just answered all my questions about gyno thanks a lot.
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01-17-2007, 07:03 PM #366New Member
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Any sugestions oh which brand of letro
Thanks
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01-19-2007, 12:15 AM #367
go to arr they got some good stuff
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01-26-2007, 05:03 PM #368New Member
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New to this site...great info thanks!!
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02-07-2007, 12:02 PM #369
Amazing post Bino!
Very appreciated! I was always scared of damn b!tch tits. Not as much after I read all this stuff!
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02-09-2007, 04:39 AM #370New Member
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C Bino thans foir that valuable info.Ive read through as many post and answers that i could read though
i am a gyno sufferer.been under the knife a couple years ago but went on a stack after that while using Nolva and picked up a bit of gyno.well the gyno i have now is not as bad i what i had removed.
will letro help a bit with the reversal of the little gyno i picked up?
i am currently stacking again using 20mg nolva a day and will go off nolva once i start letro.i am following ur No 1 prescription for the use of letro for gyno reversal.do i start with .25 or keep at 2.5 mg a day .whats the maxium tym i need to be on this for gyno reversal??
how do i get a small tablet like letro to .25mg??
The only problem i got after surgory for the guys that are under going the knife is scared tissue.that feels bigger than gyno
Please advise C Bino
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02-10-2007, 05:35 PM #371New Member
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I'm new to the forums guys but I'm definatly looking for some advice on the topic... I did a cycle of test and deca 3 years ago I WAS DUMB I KNOW (600mg test E, 400mg Deca 10 weeks)
Im currently 22 years old and was never told by the older guys I got the juice from that I would need to do a post cycle treatment.. I'm going to start this Letro routine ASAP to hopefully reverse the mild gyno I have... Do you guys think its too late for me? and what can I do on top of the Letro to raise my body's testosterone levels back to normal?
one more, is this ARR site reliable and discrete?
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02-15-2007, 10:09 PM #372New Member
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Gyno after about 5months of SD cycle
I think I might have already had a mild case of gyno. Nothing that ever caught my attention though. All of a sudden 5-6 months after I did a SD cycle and proper PCT (nolva at the time!@#@@#) the gyno "FLARED"
2-weeks ago
Lump (kinda hard) (right side of right nipple only) (size of about an 1" in length)
Hurts when I squeeze (not that much any more)
I had sensitive nipples when it flare up. Sensitivity is gone now but lump is still there.
I will be getting a sonagram tomorrow. I have a bottle of Letro and a box of nolva ready and will give it a try if it is gyno.
The symptoms seem to describe gyno but can it be something else. (probably not huh)
Hopefully I can reverse it. It is hardly noticable but its been on my mind a lot.
Thanks C-Bino for all the great info. If it wasn't for this sticky I would have been lost. Thanks to all for all their enlightening questions and answers.
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02-16-2007, 12:24 PM #373New Member
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Back from sonagram
Well, just got back from the hospital which was weird since there are mainly women that get sonagrams performed. Anyways, Wendy ask if I have ever done any hormones (steroids ) I told her no but I did take some SD which many will swear its a steroid (I think so to). So, she juiced me up and rubbed the apparatus on my right breast which felt pretty good!!!!! She kept looking at the screen and rubbing, looking and rubbing, and rubbed some more .
At the end, she said it was something she didn't normally find.
"It looks like irregular breast tissue" she asked
"Do you remember if something bit you" she asked
"It is very superficial" she said
she told me that its not cancer or cellulite, and doesn't look like gyno
I asked her if it look like an enlargement of my mammary gland? she said she didn't think so.
I asked if she had seen a case of gyno before? she said yes but that gyno looks a lot different than what I have.
Its weird I have this lump (as decribed above) on the right side only of my right nipple. Nothing on the other side.
before I left she said she would send her observations to my PP and that he might recomend some antibiotics or something.............HHhhmmmmmmm
One last thing, there was a very small pocket of fluid within the ball of irregular breast tissue.
C-Bino can you shed some light on the subject or anyone else who could have some input.
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02-20-2007, 03:55 PM #374
i have a dosage question. i am gyno prone, and i expect to have full blown gyno on my cycle if i do not actively try to preclude it from occurring.
knowing this, i have procured .25mg femara tablets. if my recommended gyno prevention dosage is .25mg/day, how should i take the 2.5mg tablets?
should i break them in half and take 1+mg/day? what about taking half every other day? what about taking a full tablet every 4th or 5th day? what would you recommend?
also, how would i change my pct from my schedule listed below in my signature?
i am eliminating nolvadex and proviron completely, so would i discontinue using femara at the end of week 18 or 21? in other words, do i take both femara and clomid or stop femara when i start clomid?
thanks in advance.
sam
(-1) - 21 Nolvadex 20mg twice daily
(-1) - 18 Proviron 25mg twice daily
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02-22-2007, 11:28 PM #375New Member
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Huge thanks
It’s working! About two months ago I developed some gyno under my left nipple that was a little bigger then the size of a flattened pea. I was using nolva for the first three weeks as directed by my HRT doc assistant (salesman) and stumbled on to this thread. Ordered some Letro from Lion but that didn’t work out to well. First two days I took it I had some stomach problems and by the forth day I felt weak and my kidneys started to hurt. I stopped using it and ordered the pill form. I started out at 2.5 because I didn’t want to hassle with cutting it up. I felt no side effects except the loss of my sex drive, which has been a good thing because I had a vasectomy two weeks ago. Anyway, a few days ago I started to feel less sensitive and I could feel that it was getting smaller. I am having a problem finding it today, and I have very little pain. I’m about 16 days in so hopefully by the time I finish the 30 pills it will be gone. I am feeling pretty good about the results so just wanted to thank Bino for the info.
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02-24-2007, 02:59 PM #376Member
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Originally Posted by Groundm
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02-24-2007, 11:44 PM #377
hey bino, I have looked through the entire thread and my bad if this was already covered somewhere but I just have a few questions.... I wanted to know if my symptoms meant that i have gyno. I am 6' about 180 with 19% b/f (yea i know its horrible) - anyways i think that I have had puberty induced gyno for years now and i think that it has gotten worse in the last 6months due to a horrible cycle with no pct (even dumber yes I know)
the cycle was about 150-200mg/wk of tren + winny. anyways, my nipples are extremely puffy and embarassing as you can see them through my t-shirts. my nips are not sore to touch or anything but it feels like there are big lumps underneath of them. I know that some of this may be fat, but i still feel that it is most likely gyno. What is your opinion on this??? I do not have pics to post right now, but can post in the near future....
My other question is that if I were to start taking the letro for gyno (option #3) how EXACTLY would i taper down from this?? By taking nolva at 40,20,and 10mgs during the last three days or something? I am confused. thanks for any help you can give me about all of this... sorry so long.
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02-25-2007, 04:39 PM #378New Member
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Great tread !
some people are running 10 mg nolva during whole cycle and 0,25 mg letro. They use the nolva because of the negative effects on cholesterol from letro.
What is your vision on this ?Is letro or l-dex really that bad on cholsterol ?
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C-Bino, thanks man.
I started to develope gyno about 3 weeks ago while 4 weeks into 30mg dbol ed and 400 cyp a week. At first I had itchy nipples, so I started using 50mg nolva, but the lumps still formed and grew a little. Once the nolva started working, it did nothing to remove the lumps other than keep them from growing. I tapered off the nolva while running 2.5mg letro ed, and am now on day 4 and seeing results! My (very small already) pea shaped gyno has flattened and is much less sensative. As a side note, I was having trouble bulking with all of the bloat that I had without letro. Now, I don't feel like a fatass and can continue to pound the kcals!
Cliffnotes:
Nolva didn't do anything
4 days with Letro already seeing results
No more bloat as a bonus
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03-08-2007, 08:46 AM #380
Alright then. cool.
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03-16-2007, 08:12 PM #381New Member
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cbino
Originally Posted by C_Bino
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03-20-2007, 09:47 AM #382New Member
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c bino, just got letro, been of cycle for a month and got minor gyno very minor, need to know if after day 6 do i keep at 2.5mg? and i was runin nova for a bit after my cycle n nothin now, wat protocal to i follow? and does letro make ur sex drive surpres really? cause i read it does n then i read that it boost ur natural test off cycle??
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Bino just wanted to say thanks alot this thread has helped out tremendously. I started your protocol about 4 days ago and the lump is already going away. Keep up the good work, very informative stuff from all the guys on here.
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03-28-2007, 05:09 PM #384
if you buy letro from Arr what does one squirt equal to? thanks
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Okay here's my dilemma and I'd appreciate any feedback
About 2 months ago I was on some test without running any anti-e, which I know now was pretty dumb. Naturally my right nipple started getting sore so I went online and found this thread and started taking letro immediately, 10 sprays a day.
Now, when I started taken the letro I didn't have lump yet, my nipples were just puffy. I have now been on letro for about a month and the gyno is getting worse. There's a lump now about an inch wide, 1/2 an inch long and about 3/4 of an inch out. If I squeeze it a syrupy fluid comes out of my nipple.
I had surgury to remove a gyno lump before when I was 18, I'm 25 now. I've already pretty much accepted that I'll have to have surgury again but what do you guys think I should try before I get it cut out.
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03-29-2007, 12:57 PM #386
Go to your doctor and inquire about bromocriptine.
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Someone please help a newb
Ok, first off I'd like to say I have taken one real cycle and that was about 3 years ago. I took Test enanthate 250 a week, and then fina every other day without any anti e's or PCT(I know it was really retarded, they dont call it young and dumb for no reason lol). I took low doses, can't remember the exact amount but it was really low. Now I'm 21 and am a lot fatter from 2 years of sitting on my ass. I recently got back into it and didn't want to do a full cycle again, but I got some equipose from a friend and i been taking 300 a week( I know thats low, but my body is really sensitive to steroids ). My question here is does EQ convert to estrogen or is it progestron(spelling?). My nipples have become sore about 5 weeks in, and I have 12 weeks worth. Why would my nipples be like this from just a low dose of EQ? One thing I should probably mention is I have a really bad marijuana habit that im trying to kick, would that be making whatever I'm taking convert no matter what or is it the combo of both the estrogen from the weed and the steroids? Also do you need PCT after just 12 weeks of nothing but a low dose of EQ and if i do what should I take? If anyone can help me here I would really appreciate it, I can't tell if i have lumps or not because my body fat percentage is high and my chest has a layer of fat over it that makes it flabby and when I press on em its really hard to feel any lumps or distinguish anythibng between the fat. But my nipples are definetly sore and I'm getting worried. Thanks ahead of time to anyone that can provide some good advice.
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04-05-2007, 01:34 AM #388
Hey! anyone know the quickest way for me to get novaldex or letro in the mail. I think I might be starting very small signs of gyno. kinda urgent???
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04-05-2007, 03:06 PM #389Originally Posted by biggerisbetter2308
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04-08-2007, 01:01 AM #390New Member
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Some great info here!
I had a quick question regarding gyno and plastic surgery/lipo suction. I am currently overseas and the operation costs roughly 1g here. I had an appointment and the doctor told me that liposuction alone would do the trick and it wouldn't leave a scar under my nipple like actually going under the knife(she actually told me that was the old way of doing it and lipo is being used by top doctors now).
My question is....will liposuction alone get rid of the gyno and how susceptible is it to coming back? The reason I ask is because I have seen many people that do liposuction go back to being fat within months and I don't know if this is due to their diet or if it's just a common occurance with lipo. I just don't want fat to accumulate under my chest again.
The lump under my chest is not that big but it's noticeable to me and it hurts sometimes. I got the lump around 3 years ago after doing a cycle of dbols and sten.
My stats: 5'9", 165lbs, 13-15%bf I'd guess.
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BINO, I see you are the expert and I hate to bother you but, this is an emergency. I'm a tall thin guy that started taking Testostrone Cyp. (from what I can tell Test. causes most Gyno) and Deca stack with no anti estro (dumb huh). Was on for 4 weeks and devoped Gyno. Have quit the stack and have just ordered $50 Lestro. Will this be enough? Where should I inject? Is there any possibility to inject into tits? Any othere additional tips? Thanks.
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04-10-2007, 06:51 PM #392Originally Posted by MOturkeyhunter
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04-10-2007, 06:54 PM #393
A note to all who read this thread and post questions. I do not check this thread very often but I would say 95% of the questions being asked are answered in the original post. Simply follow the very simple and very easy to follow steps, I cant make it anymore clear.
I am not trying to come off as rude here but Im getting numerous PM's and questions here that have already been answered.
Questions like how long will it take...well sure thats not outlined in the original post but its IMPOSSIBLE for me to know. I said run letro until the gyno is gone, and thats all you can do. Even if I said it takes 4 days and yours wasnt gone in 4 days...well simply run it longer. I mean its simple, just like a diet. Stay on the diet until you reach your desired results right?
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Okay here's my update
I switched from letro to nolva and the gyno in my left nipple went about 90% away. I developed a little bit of gyno in my left nipple from this cycle and had a little bit from before and both of them went away.
The right nipple was the big problem though and it's definitely not getting any bigger/worse so that good but it isn't shrinking and the lump is getting harder.
My plan is gonna be to stick with the nolva for another 3 weeks and if it doesn't get any smaller switch back to letro. I'm just glad it stopped getting bigger and now I just have to get it to shrink down.
Has the Nolva worked better than the letro for anyone else?
or has anyone had a similiar story?
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04-17-2007, 08:40 PM #395
Im just about to find out...was on full dose of letro for 60 days and have been tapering off for 6 days now, about to start nolva...im actually very glad to hear that the gyno went away, thats pretty miraculous...i have semi gyno on my right nipple, and baaaad gyno on my left nipple (the lump and all)...so we are on pretty much the same boat...im going to see an endo in 3 weeks to get an actual "professional" opinion...keep me posted on how everythings going man
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Originally Posted by Slickmikey
Yeah do the same
One thing I'm wondering is will my insurance cover the surgury if I get the lump taken out? The last time I had it taken out my ins. covered it but I don't know if they'll say its for vanity and not a necessity and not cover it. It was day surgury before; they numbed me up and cut it out right there in like 10 minutes.
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HEY C..great post..but what if i do nott have any HARD lumps or bumps behind the nipple area?
when i flex its just soft on the lower portion of my chest, i try to do some decline and dips..it seems to help out a little, but not too much..what do u recommend? i do not have letro yet. i have A dex , clom and tamox.
thanks
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05-01-2007, 11:03 PM #398Originally Posted by Danny626
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THANKS..ive started my diet and cardio!
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nasty post dr. tit thanks on my way to letro as we speak...
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