2007-08 HGH Cycle 10iu's

[thunderin]

Next step is to inject.

Clean the area to inject with alcohol. Dial in the amount you want. Inject and push the button in. Clean again with alcohol.

Replace the cap. The needle is tiny and painless.

Pack everything back into the convenient carrying case. Notice that is has a compartment for an extra cartridge too.

Refrigerate and your done.

I love this pen.

[thunderin]

Oh, forgot the last pics.

[finny]

Ok, I'm a bit slow this morning. I'm confused as to the steps and how you're better off now. Can you maybe contrast old vs new so dummies like myself can understand better?

Thanks.

Edit: You're still doing slin and HCG separate? And you did four GH per day?

[thunderin]

Ok, I'm a bit slow this morning. I'm confused as to the steps and how you're better off now. Can you maybe contrast old vs new so dummies like myself can understand better?

Thanks.

Not sure exactly what you mean, but this saves time and effort compared with syringes.

If you are referring to this cycle, I have replaced all AAS usage with GH, and I am finally living healthy.

[finny]

With the pen I mean. I think I understand now. You did 4 GH injection per day and you were using 4 syringes. Now with the pen, you load it up once and it's good for the whole day?

Is your plan to keep refilling the same cartidge or you are using a new one each time(you fill for one day?). If using the same, any concern for contamination?

Great log. I will get into GH either fall of this year or sometime next year.

Your dosage is pretty high, I think. Any concern for GH gutt? I think in the past, people did 20IUs per week we ED injects. You're doing 50IUs per week?

[thunderin]

The pen holds 3mL or 30iu at 10iu/mL. That is the strength I use for reconstitution.

GH gut is not a real concern as I have not seen enough documentation to convince me that it is permanent nor that it comes only from GH use.

[jbarkley]

Thunderin, your threads are always informative and interesting....thanks, keep us updated!

[Vincent]

Thundrin, Im three weeks in at 2.5 iu a day. Im holding some waterweight as you did. When will the waterweight and intial fat loss start to happen? Eating real clean just feel really pumped and kind of bloated. In three weeks I gained 9 lbs already Crazy I know. Thanks bro. Im doing pharmacy compounded somotropin.

[Microbrew]

Can you aspirate with this?


Micro

[thunderin]

Thundrin, Im three weeks in at 2.5 iu a day. Im holding some waterweight as you did. When will the waterweight and intial fat loss start to happen? Eating real clean just feel really pumped and kind of bloated. In three weeks I gained 9 lbs already Crazy I know. Thanks bro. Im doing pharmacy compounded somotropin.

A lot of it depends on how long you've been on GH and how quickly your body adjusts itself to that dose.

[thunderin]

Can you aspirate with this?


Micro

The needle tip is only 8mm long (0.315 inches) The chances of hitting a vein are slim. If your bodyfat is low enough, you should be able to clearly see the veins on your stomach.

[thunderin]

I think my PCT is going well. The wife and I went at it 3 times yesterday and no viagra or cialis in 2 weeks.

4 1/2 weeks without AAS after a 13-month cycle.

She keeps giving me a dirty look....not sure why?

[thunderin]

My strength is exploding upwards. I inject my GH and slin both subq. Remember that I am doing 4 injects per day of GH between 7am and 4pm (7am, 10:15am 1:30 and 4p4 As such, I want my slin to be active for the majority of this time so I use Humulin R, and I inject it at 7am. This way it is in my blood stream for most of the period that I am using GH. Another 150mcg of T4 goes on top of that divided up into 3 - 50mcg doses with my GH injects.

I upped my slin dose yesterday to 15iu's and felt great. Just so damn hungry all the time, and I cannot seem to get full.

Smokin' hot Shoulder workout today:

Standing barbell overhead press to back of neck (no belt) 225lbs (100kg) x 6 x 3

Standing barbell upright rows (no belt) 175lbs (80kg) x 6 x 3

Standing dumbell side shoulder raises 50 pounders x 6 x 3

Rear delt dumbell raises 35 pounders x 6 x 3

AAS were never this good to me

[thunderin]

Strength still going up along with my stamina.

Chest day:

Flat bench 315 (140kg) 4 sets x 6 reps

too tired from shoulders to do inclines

4 more sets up incline cable flyes

Nice aggression today too.

Love that huma-pen...my injects are fast, clean, easy and painless.

Chatting up a librarian type who wanted to "practice English" to finish things off

[thunderin]

Have laid off of slin for tha past few days as it was making me too tired. And, as I suspected, I dropped water weight by doing so. Nice to have the extra weight, but the Pillbury Dough Boy look is not what I am after.

Slin combines with GH does give a big boost to strength though. The biggest difference I have noticed since I came off AAS over a month ago is my recovery time. Yes, high does GH will give you more strength, and even more if used in tandem with slin, but it seems to take a few more days to heal up after a merciless workout.

I cannot rave enough about how great the Humapen doubles as a GH injection vehicle. Clean, quick and efficient.

I have cut back my GH injections from 7 on/off to 6 on/off so as not to shut down my own pituitary gland too hard.

*As far as keeping gains from my AAS cycle go, I have not lost any muscle size in the past 5 weeks since I stopped AAS usage.

I haven't posted sooner as I got God of War II for my PS2. Yes, 40 yrs old and an avid PC and PS2 gamer.

Peace.

[finny]

Glad to see everything is going great.

I think I have asked you this before. For the Humapen, you keep re-filling the same cartridge over and over with GH? It looks like a great idea.

[thunderin]

Glad to see everything is going great.

I think I have asked you this before. For the Humapen, you keep re-filling the same cartridge over and over with GH? It looks like a great idea.

Yes. I use the same cartridge for 2-3 weeks.

It should work well with any low viscosity peptide.

[thunderin]

Another amazing workout today. My strength and endurance continue to go up.

Weight 97kg (214 lbs)

Holding less water weight now that I am not running the slin.

Still eating as much protein as I can and almost anything else for that matter.

I have to say that without a doubt, this has been the fastest and best PCT I have ever run in my life. It has been 5 weeks now without AAS, and my sex drive is strong.

*I have not lost any gains at all, and my weight has increased 7kg (16 lbs). My strength is as high now as it was during the peak of my 13-month AAS cycle which included tren e and var among other AAS.

[thunderin]

Weight 98kg (216lbs) and still going up.

Sides have set in a bit.

Is the numbness when writing or typing for a long time from the water retention?

What causes the joint pain?

What is the mechanism that causes so much water retention? My fingers look and feel like sausages.

I thought I was supposed to be sleeping better? I wake up hungry 1-2 times per night and must eat.

Anyway, my strength is high and I feel great.

Have gone to 5 on/ 2 off and will go back on the slin next week. Need to buy another injection pen...one for GH and one for slin

Have taken a couple of days off from the T4. How long have any of you run T4 before? I heard Frank Zane had problems because of it?

Peace

[soo2bhuge]

Have taken a couple of days off from the T4. How long have any of you run T4 before? I heard Frank Zane had problems because of it?

I just stopped my T4 after about 2 weeks. Couldn't handle my heart beating out of my chest. I actually just took ephedra for the second day in a row and I have seemed to drop about 6lb of water, due to the GH cycle, within a 12hr. period. We'll see if I get it back but I couldn't stand the water retention.

[thunderin]

I just stopped my T4 after about 2 weeks. Couldn't handle my heart beating out of my chest. I actually just took ephedra for the second day in a row and I have seemed to drop about 6lb of water, due to the GH cycle, within a 12hr. period. We'll see if I get it back but I couldn't stand the water retention.

My heart has been beating really fast also. I went over everything I was taking a came up with that it could only be the T4. Thanks for confirming that.

I am feeling pretty bloated too, but I take aldactazide if it gets too bad.

I just did some research and it shows that T4 has a half life of 5-7 days. Talk about a toxic buildup if taking it everyday!

[Random]

Thunderin havent seen u around for a while man! hope this cycle goes great for u..

CD

[jerseyboy]

Wow! This thread fascinates me. I've been wanting to try running GH at higher doses and get away from AAS. I'm 36 now and also looking to live a little safer. I actually have 2 kits of the same generic blue caps you have. I've only ever used Jin so it's good to see that these are working for you.

[soo2bhuge]

My heart has been beating really fast also. I went over everything I was taking a came up with that it could only be the T4. Thanks for confirming that.

I am feeling pretty bloated too, but I take aldactazide if it gets too bad.

I just did some research and it shows that T4 has a half life of 5-7 days. Talk about a toxic buildup if taking it everyday!

Your other post regarding T4 is excellent...I suggest others read it before incorporating T4 in their GH cycle. Thunderin...check out the "Over 30" section http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...91#post3428791 , he dropped his T4 as well. Looks to be a common problem. Everyone should definitely check out your other thread http://forums.steroid.com/igf-1-lr3-hgh-insulin-questions/ .
As far as ephedra, I have only taken it for the past 2 days but it has helped me with the bloat and I dropped 6lb. Do you know anything regarding encorporating ephedra into a GH cycle? I don't think it should affect it in any way, but you sound as though you may know a bit more.

[thunderin]

Your other post regarding T4 is excellent...I suggest others read it before incorporating T4 in their GH cycle. Thunderin...check out the "Over 30" section http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...91#post3428791 , he dropped his T4 as well. Looks to be a common problem. Everyone should definitely check out your other thread http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=75 .
As far as ephedra, I have only taken it for the past 2 days but it has helped me with the bloat and I dropped 6lb. Do you know anything regarding encorporating ephedra into a GH cycle? I don't think it should affect it in any way, but you sound as though you may know a bit more.

I was running an ECA stack at the beginning of this GH cycle as I was still finishing up my cutting AAS cycle. My ephedra was in the form of a Chinese ma huang nasal spray. It definitely accelerated fat loss and sped my metabolism up in general. However, I was running it with T4, and I had heart palpitations even while resting, so I dropped it.

I plan on using the ECA stack again in the future, but this time without the T4.

I also had a drop in water weight from it. One of the best ways I have come across to drop water is the use of Aldactazide (spironolactone and hydrochlorothiazide). I had to buy the 2 separately here. 50mg of each 2 x per day with plenty of fluid intake should got rid of the bloat safely within a few days. I increase the dose a bit if I need more water loss. Monitor your blood pressure regularly when using these because it may get quite low if you are not using AAS.

Thanks

[AlwaysCutting12]

As for the half-life situation... what would one do as a solution? take a dose every 5-7 days? Would it then be better to run t3 instead?

[fred9]

I was running an ECA stack at the beginning of this GH cycle as I was still finishing up my cutting AAS cycle. My ephedra was in the form of a Chinese ma huang nasal spray. It definitely accelerated fat loss and sped my metabolism up in general. However, I was running it with T4, and I had heart palpitations even while resting, so I dropped it.

I plan on using the ECA stack again in the future, but this time without the T4.

I also had a drop in water weight from it. One of the best ways I have come across to drop water is the use of Aldactazide (spironolactone and hydrochlorothiazide). I had to buy the 2 separately here. 50mg of each 2 x per day with plenty of fluid intake should got rid of the bloat safely within a few days. I increase the dose a bit if I need more water loss. Monitor your blood pressure regularly when using these because it may get quite low if you are not using AAS.

Thanks

really a nice thread to read...
any idea for how long you can use Aldactazide ?

[thunderin]

Still searching, but this is what I have found. May not be good for long term use.

http://www.aafp.org/afp/20000515/3049.html

"One postulated but not yet proven explanation is that the higher diuretic dosages used in the large trials cause relative hypokalemia, as well as increased serum lipid levels, insulin resistance and uric acid levels. These adverse metabolic effects counteract the positive cardiovascular benefits of blood pressure reduction. Such effects do not occur when diuretics are administered in a low dosage, such as 6.25 or 12.5 mg per day of hydrochlorothiazide.11"

"
Potassium-Sparing and Thiazide Diuretics
The discrepancy between the JNC VI recommendations for first-line use of thiazide diuretics and the actual use of these agents in clinical practice may be attributable to physicians' concerns about the development of hypokalemia and hypomagnesemia, as well as the marketing of newer agents by pharmaceutical companies. Combination therapy with a potassium-sparing diuretic and a thiazide diuretic attempts to reduce the risk of adverse metabolic effects. Combination therapy does not obviate the need for serial monitoring of serum electrolyte levels, but it does decrease the incidence of thiazide-induced hypokalemia without an increased risk of hyperkalemia.12"


"In one large postmarketing surveillance study of patients treated with triamterene-hydrochlorothiazide,12 the incidence of hypokalemia was approximately one half to one third that expected in hydrochlorothiazide monotherapy. In addition, the amiloride-hydrochlorothiazide combination caused significantly less alteration of serum potassium levels than did hydrochlorothiazide given alone in dosages of 25 to 100 mg per day.15 The clinical applicability of the findings may be questionable because the studies used hydrochlorothiazide dosages that were significantly higher than those currently recommended."

"The low dosages of hydrochlorothiazide (12.5 to 25 mg per day) advocated in the JNC VI provide significant blood pressure reduction while minimizing electrolyte abnormalities.19 It remains unclear whether the addition of a potassium-sparing agent confers additional benefit compared with a low dosage of hydrochlorothiazide alone."

[llrockyll]

bro hcg should not be taken during pct time it should be taken throughout ur cycle or a few weeks before u end ur cycle.

[jerseyboy]

Where are you getting that information? HCG is commonly used for PCT.

[chris210]

Hey Bro, I saw the pic you posted of your gh. I think it is the same that I have. I have been unable to source it. Here is a link to my pictures. ugl hgh

Is it the same as yours? Legit? Mine allegedly came from china.

Thanks

[thunderin]

Hey Bro, I saw the pic you posted of your gh. I think it is the same that I have. I have been unable to source it. Here is a link to my pictures. ugl hgh

Is it the same as yours? Legit? Mine allegedly came from china.

Thanks

The pic of the GH in the box looks exactly like mine, and yes, mine is Chinese.

[thunderin]

Bodyweight 101kg (223lbs)

Now that I have stopped the T4, my weight is going up quicker. The slin is helping me to recover more quickly as well.

7am 10iu's Humulin R and 2.5iu's GH
10am 2.5iu's GH
12:45pm 2.5iu's GH
4pm 2.5iu's GH

I am eating all I want which is a lot.

Meal 1: 7:15am
Meal 2: 10:15am
Meal 3: 12:30pm
Meal 4: 4pm
Meal 5: 7pm
Meal 6: 10pm
Meal 7: 3am (yes, I wake up starving in the middle of the night)

Since I am running Humulin R, I keep a sugary fruit drink in my hand most all of the day. Less sleepy with the addition of the slin, though I have had some heartburn...probably from overeating.

The pumps I am getting are as good or better than I ever got from dianabol or anadrol as is the weight gain.

Still have some definition left, but it is smoothing out from the amount of water I am holding and less joint pain than before.

I cannot say enough about how very pleased I am with the GH slin combo 10iu/10iu. For me, it's fantastic and very clean. Truly the Rolls Royce of performance enhancing pharmaceuticals.

**On another note: a friend of mine who was 3rd in a junior nationals competition a few years back has gone off T4 as well due to a racing hearbeat. He was running it for 6 weeks and peakd out at 175mcg ed.

I think T4 has its place, but I personally don't care much for running it for more than 1 1/2 months.

[chris210]

thanks for the info. glad your cycle is going well.

[thunderin]

My GH and slin cycle has turned into a summer bulker. I am a full 13kg (29lbs) heavier than I was 5 weeks ago, and it's been a week and a half since I dropped the T4. Remember, I have been off AAS for over a month and a half and am well into my aggressive PCT.

I am still eating 6-7 times per day and taking in loads of protein and most any other thing I want to eat too.

Yes, I am holding a lot of water but my BP is fine and I feel great. The only sides are that my fingers feel like oversized sausages and I get a bit of joint pain. Oh yes, I stay hungry almost 24/7. Thank God, food is cheap here ($1.50 US for a kilo of beef)

I know I look like crap, but I am really trying to take myself as far as I can with this. I figure that I'm 40 years old, and if I don't do it now, I never will.

Height 175cm (5'9")
Weight 101kg (223lbs)

I very humbly submit these pics that were taken this evening. The last one is me 13kg (30lbs) lighter 6 weeks ago.

[AlwaysCutting12]

I wouldn't get down on myself man, in my honest opinion you look much better than you did in your last cycle log when you were pumping massive quantities of oil in your body and stressing your internal organs. Take comfort in knowing you're not directly stressing your body nearly as much, and try to focus on the fact you dont feel like a toxic waste dump from all that juice.

Best of luck

[finny]

I know I look like crap, but I am really trying to take myself as far as I can with this. I figure that I'm 40 years old, and if I don't do it now, I never will.

Height 175cm (5'9")
Weight 101kg (223lbs)

I very humbly submit these pics that were taken this evening.

What are your goals?

Looking good. I like your pics from few weeks ago better, but that's just me.

Oh, by the way, you forgot to 'erase' your tatoo in one of your pics.

Edit: Looked again, you look good here too. Obviously more massive, and still pretty low bf.

[Dizz28]

Wow, nice GH log. You look very solid, very little body fat. Very good pics.

Nice strength too "Flat bench 315 (140kg) 4 sets x 6 reps"

I'm sure you are doing heavier or more than that now but good job. Interested in the rest of your log. I will be reading.

Dizz

[thunderin]

What are your goals?

My goal with this cycle is to permanently replace AAS use with GH.

Thanks

[znak]

I know I look like crap, but I am really trying to take myself as far as I can with this. I figure that I'm 40 years old, and if I don't do it now, I never will.

You are looking great now.

There is life after fifty, so take care of your body now. Switching to hgh is a good move in that direction.

Keep it up bro.