2007-08 HGH Cycle 10iu's

[thunderin]

Hell yeah! Please post as much as you can. Your log was by far the most informative I ever followed.

Good to see you back.

Thanks. I'm glad to be back.

[finny]

Glad to see you back.

That's a very unorthodox diet. Will be interesting to see how you progress on it long term.

Keep up the good work.

[Big]

When will you post some more pics?

[thunderin]

Give me a couple of weeks pls. Feel like a stuffed pig most of the time now.

[BJJ ANDY]

Sorry Thunderin but i would love to see a stuffed pig who's on 2,1 g's of test ew and with a strength of a kodiak bear.

[ironaddict69]

yeah thunderin, you might think u look bloated or whatever, but wed still love to see it. you have an amazing physique, id love to see the literal "off season" big bulk if you will.

[thunderin]

Here I am the stuffed pig with huge stomach at 103kg (226lbs) tonight. This is after eating 3 double cheeseburgers and a large Coke.

[thunderin]

How do I spell relief? Blood donation

After giving 800mL, my skin color turned from bright red to a normal hue. My dizziness and throbbing head gave way to a wonderful sense of not feeling so bloated by all that extra blood....aaaaahhhhhhhh.

Got to do this every 6 weeks.

[goin on 4T]

I have been reading this thread for quite a while now and have gotten a tremendous amount of knowledge from you Thunderin! Thank you!

One thing I have to say is good thing they clean the blood before they transfer it to someone else!!! No offense but damn. That would be like getting Superman's blood. LOL

[ironaddict69]

Here I am the stuffed pig with huge stomach at 103kg (226lbs) tonight. This is after eating 3 double cheeseburgers and a large Coke.

wow i expected something much worse. lol, dude u look good. solid base, its amazing, your about 7 lbsd heavier than me, but lill look as big as you when im 240. good base man!

[NotSmall]

Again from Vince, "It's not how much you each but what your body can digest."

I need 6000-7500 calories and 300-400 grams of protein per day.

Have you looked into digestive enzymes - they can make a terrific difference to how much of the food you consume you actually utilise.

[taiboxa]

u know.. u got a giant pixil stuck to ur right tri.. might wanna have that thing looked into.

[ironaddict69]

u know.. u got a giant pixil stuck to ur right tri.. might wanna have that thing looked into.

ahahaha. were gunna be the only ones that get and laugh at that.

[thunderin]

I have been reading this thread for quite a while now and have gotten a tremendous amount of knowledge from you Thunderin! Thank you!

One thing I have to say is good thing they clean the blood before they transfer it to someone else!!! No offense but damn. That would be like getting Superman's blood. LOL

Thanks. Whoever gets my blood will recover quickly I hope.

Have you looked into digestive enzymes - they can make a terrific difference to how much of the food you consume you actually utilise.

Thanks for the heads up. I will definitely check them out.

u know.. u got a giant pixil stuck to ur right tri.. might wanna have that thing looked into.

Every time I post a pic it always comes up. Not sure why?

[thunderin]

Something's working right. My weight is up to 104kg, and my recovery time is so fast now. I had to cut back on the calories as I just simply felt sickly full all the time, not to mention the "you look pregnant jokes from my wife."

I've found that if I go over 20iu's ed of slin, say 30-45iu's, I feel so damn tired. Guess all my blood is near my stomach helping to transport nutrients?

I'm finally beginning to understand my muscles and feel them contract to the point of strong pain when I slowly and strictly do all my movements in the gym.

Want to know what else? For the first time in a long time, my shoulders, elbows and all my joints for that matter feel wonderful. I know my muscles are stronger than my ligaments and tendons. Using less weight for very slow (12-15 second count reps) and strict reps is allowing my body to heal.

Striving for the next level.

Train safe, train smart, train for a lifetime.

[thunderin]

Double post

[taiboxa]

as for the digestive enzymes, you could just incorporate some high quantites of yogurt which in turn increases the amount of good bacteria in the digestive system to aid in digestion.. works very very well.

[ginkobulloba]

I take digestive enzymes with at least 3 or 4 meals a day, and normally I take one pro-biotic pill per day (same as yogurt) and it has definitely improved my digestion and ability to break down proteins, etc. You get more out of the food you eat.

[NotSmall]

as for the digestive enzymes, you could just incorporate some high quantites of yogurt which in turn increases the amount of good bacteria in the digestive system to aid in digestion.. works very very well.

To the best of my understanding yoghurt can work well as a cheap probiotic and help keep a healthy gut but it won't do the same job as digestive enzymes - two different things from what I can gather. Mallet has written some fantastic articles on digestive health on ukiron, I have started following less than half of the things he recomends and I feel so much better and less bloated for it.

[taiboxa]

To the best of my understanding yoghurt can work well as a cheap probiotic and help keep a healthy gut but it won't do the same job as digestive enzymes - two different things from what I can gather. Mallet has written some fantastic articles on digestive health on ukiron, I have started following less than half of the things he recomends and I feel so much better and less bloated for it.

see i have read write ups on the otc basic digestive enzymes you get from health food stores.. and the only time they are of any benefit is say when your on anibiotics and you killing off the good bacteria of your digestive track.. so beats me.

[ginkobulloba]

No, that's not true dude, they really help in normal digestion. Especially if you're a bodybuilder eating shit tons of protein, etc.

[NotSmall]

see i have read write ups on the otc basic digestive enzymes you get from health food stores.. and the only time they are of any benefit is say when your on anibiotics and you killing off the good bacteria of your digestive track.. so beats me.

I could be wrong mate but I think that is more applicable to probiotics - they are what is supposed to "restock" your healthy bacteria that antibiotics destroy.
From what I can gather digestive enzymes are essential in the proper digestion of our food, they are supposed to be partly produced in our bodies and partly from the food we eat but because of the way our food is produced our modern day diets are almost completely devoid of certain enzymes which leads to all sorts of problems - lactose intolerance, gluten intolerance, various allergies etc - so it is beneficial to supplement especially when we are expecting our bodies to absorb considerably more than the average human.

[finny]

Yes, digestive enzymes are the ones you need. It's good to buy the 'full spectrum' that cover all food groups. Especially usefull on a bulk, when eating more food.

I buy my protein with proteaze digestive enzyme - for digestion of protein.

As said, probiotics are used to restore 'balance' in your gut. I drink homemade kefir for that.

[taiboxa]

I could be wrong mate but I think that is more applicable to probiotics - they are what is supposed to "restock" your healthy bacteria that antibiotics destroy.
From what I can gather digestive enzymes are essential in the proper digestion of our food, they are supposed to be partly produced in our bodies and partly from the food we eat but because of the way our food is produced our modern day diets are almost completely devoid of certain enzymes which leads to all sorts of problems - lactose intolerance, gluten intolerance, various allergies etc - so it is beneficial to supplement especially when we are expecting our bodies to absorb considerably more than the average human.

aye i think ur on to something.

[NotSmall]

Yes, digestive enzymes are the ones you need. It's good to buy the 'full spectrum' that cover all food groups. Especially usefull on a bulk, when eating more food.

I buy my protein with proteaze digestive enzyme - for digestion of protein.

As said, probiotics are used to restore 'balance' in your gut. I drink homemade kefir for that.

I use Udo's digestive enzymes, they're full spectrum ones like you say, I also use Udo's probiotics and "Beyond Greens" cos I don't really eat any veg - Dr Udo makes a packet off me!

[NotSmall]

aye i think ur on to something.

Try 'em kidda - one with each meal and you feel way less bloated!





Thunderin - sorry for the hijack - as you were!

[thunderin]

Try 'em kidda - one with each meal and you feel way less bloated!





Thunderin - sorry for the hijack - as you were!

No worries. I enjoy the discussion. Thanks

[thunderin]

It's been a long 5 months since my last post.

I took a break in my gh cycle but began again 1 month ago. Dieted down to 91kg as in the photos taken 4 weeks ago below.

My Humapen and Novapen are Godsends. I can take them with me most anywhere and they make GH and Lr3 IGF-1 injects a breeze.

Current cycle:

300mg testosterone propionate eod
100mg trenbolone acetate eod
100mg nandrolone phenylpropionate eod
100mg drostanolone propionate eod

10iu's HGH ed (5iu's am and 5iu's afternoon pre-workout)
Lr3 IGF-1 ed (100mcg am and 100mcg afternoon pre-workout, spot injects into muscles I will train that day, 3 months on/1 month off )
Novalog insulin (European version of Humalog) 10iu's pre-workout, 4 weeks on/ 3 weeks off)
T4 50mcg ed

Vitamins (Centrum 2 ed, E 500iu's ed, C 500mg ed)

L-glutamine 5 g pre-workout and 5 g post-workout
creatine 5 g pre-workout and 5 g post-workout
EAS protein 75g pre-workout and 75g post-workout

Meals: high protein, high carbs, low fat

Olive oil: 2tbsp ed

I started the HGH, Lr3 IGF-1 & insulin combo 1 week ago not expecting much, but I am amazed. The strength, pumps, vascularity and intensity I am achieving are better than I ever hoped for. Yeah, I know these dosages are not common, but they're giving me exactly what I want.

Sleeping great too.

Photos below: 91kg, age over 40- I know I have a long way to go and still look like crap, but I'm giving it my best. They were taken 6 months apart, last summer and a month ago.

*Please remember: Every day thousands of brave men and women put their lives on the line in South Korea to keep that bastard in Pyongyang at bay, just as they have done for over 50 years.

With all that is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan, don't forget those in South Korea and keep them in your prayers.

When we do cheers here we say "72 seconds". That is the time it takes incoming North Korean missiles to start hitting Seoul. A sobering thought....

[thunderin]

My AAS dosages were about half of what they are now when I was dieting.

[KZRSOIZE]

Looking forward to reading your log......looking great...

[PT]

you look good bro. have you lived in korea long?

[thunderin]

you look good bro. have you lived in korea long?

Thanks. Quite some time. When I first arrived here I was getting 1200 WON per US$. No luck getting that now.

This place has its ups and downs, but overall, I like it here.

[thunderin]

I reconstitute my Lr3 IGF-1 with an NaCl solution 100mcg/mL, and I rconstitute my HGH with sterile water 10iu/mL.

I only reconstitute enough for 3 days at a time so no need for any preservatives or BA.

By using my Humapen and Novapen cartridges, I do not lose anything when reconstituting or injecting. Moreover, the gauge of the replaceable needle tips is only 31 gauge by 1cm in length. Believe me, you cannot even feel it. And, I get exact doses with the dial-in injection volume button on these.

See the photos below.

[jerseyboy]

Welcome back buddy.

[thunderin]

Thanks, glad to be back.

[thunderin]

Well, I have been on the same gear for some months now. So, it's time to change up. No use in plateauing, and I'm not one who believes in using the same gear year round. I could have doubled up on the stack I was on, but that would have put me at 700mg of tren ace per week = no sleep

Have increased my calories substantially, and I am actually taking a day or 2 off from the gym each week. It feels odd not to be in the gym every day, and I find myself feeling guilty about it. But, I know I should rest.

Weight 95kg

Testosterone enanthate 400mg eod
Deca 200mg eod
Eq 200mg eod
Dbol 50mg ed

HGH 10iu's ed (6 on/1 off)
Lr3 IGF-1 160mcg ed

Will not run arimidex until I feel I need it as I know from experience that an absence of estrogen will hinder my bulking gains.

Vitamins, whey protein, glutamine and creatine as usual.

Amazing stuff Lr3 IGF-1, I am not able to increase my bodyfat percentage on it. Not sure if it is recommendable for bulking or not. Will find out.

[Titleist]

Great to see you picked back up on your log; it's always good reading.

You've definitely trimmed up. Your look's much more eye-pleasing now. I also see that you've lowered your AAS doses significantly, which I think is smart.

Good luck man.

[jerseyboy]

Is your IGF a brand name or chinese generic?

[thunderin]

Great to see you picked back up on your log; it's always good reading.

You've definitely trimmed up. Your look's much more eye-pleasing now. I also see that you've lowered your AAS doses significantly, which I think is smart.

Good luck man.

Thanks. I appreciate the encouragement.

Is your IGF a brand name or chinese generic?

Everything I take is made in China except for my EAS whey protein, creatine and glutamine. Whoever imports EAS is making a killing.

[jerseyboy]

I've run the chinese before but I was using so many compounds at once it's hard to say if it was effective.