2007-08 HGH Cycle 10iu's

[thunderin]

Hey Thunderin can you please post the details of your ECA stack. I'm thinking about trying something. I don't like using clen too much and I don't have much fat to lose so it's not worth the side affects. I'm guessing you get the MaHuang right from the health food store? I've read that it is actually a natural form of ephedrine.

The ma huang nasal spray that I use is available OTC at most any pharmacy here in China. Not sure about other countries. The dose seems strong and I can feel a big difference within a couple of minutes after use. The effect is gone after about 90 minutes. I would guess that it is far below the suggested dose of ephedrine for ECA stacks.

I have one cup of instant coffee with it along with only 100mg of aspirin.

That's my ECA stack. It is lower than what is recommended, but I have good results with it.

I have used clen a before, but it made me too shaky and wired.

It all is working well for me now.

Good luck.

[thunderin]

The color change my skin has gone through in just 8 days is truly phenominal. I don't think I have ever been this dark in my life, and all that with only 10 minute sessions in the tanning bed ed along with 1mg melanotan II ed. The erections are another nice side as well.

I have started to rotate the GH injections all around my abs to get clearer definition on any lagging sections. A six-pack and a dark tan make a nice addition to summer and the beach.

Not having any negative sides from the T4 now, and I have been careful not to go over 100mcg ed. The ECA stack is working beautifully too.

No sand kicked in my face For those of you too young to remember the Charles Atlas bodybuilding course, Charles Atlas was the most famous bodybuilder in the world for the greater part of the 20th century before Arnold came along.

This man is the reason I started bodybuilding 26 years ago. I will forever remain grateful. And as you can guess, Yes, I did order his course when I was 13.

Tribute to Charles Atlas




Charles Atlas, 1938 (at 45 years of age)
Bettmann/Corbis

original name Angelo Siciliano Italian-born American bodybuilder and physical culturist who, with Frederick Tilney and Charles P. Roman, created and marketed a highly popular mail-order bodybuilding course.



In 1904 Angelo Siciliano immigrated to the United States with his mother and settled in Brooklyn, New York. Skinny and weak, he suffered beatings by a neighbourhood bully and his uncle. The statues of Hercules and other mythological heroes that he saw in a local museum inspired him to build his body. Too poor to afford barbells, he devised a system, later called Dynamic-Tension, that pitted one muscle group against another. Neighbourhood friends soon started likening him to a statue of Atlas. This association was then combined with the nickname “Charley” to form the name by which he eventually became famous.
With his newfound muscles and confidence, Atlas joined the circus-vaudeville circuit and appeared in Coney Island sideshows where he performed a variety of strongman feats. He also worked as an artist's model for many sculpted works of classic American heroes on public buildings in New York City, Washington, D.C., and Cleveland, Ohio, and he won such titles as “The World's Most Handsome Man” and “The World's Most Perfectly Developed Man” at contests staged by physical culturist Bernarr Macfadden at Madison Square Garden in 1921 and 1922, respectively.


Charles Atlas magazine advertisement, 1962, commonly seen in American publications to promote his …
"Insult that Made a Man Out of Mac" is a registered trademark of Charles Atlas, Ltd.; photograph, The Granger Collection, New York

Assisted by Tilney, an English naturopath, Atlas employed Dynamic-Tension principles to develop a mail-order course that was the basis for a multimillion-dollar bodybuilding business. Then in 1928, in partnership with Roman, he conducted one of the most celebrated advertising campaigns in American history. Slogans such as “You can have a body like mine” were accompanied by photographs of the muscular Atlas clad in a leopard breechclout. The most famous image, however, was that of the 97-pound weakling who, after having sand kicked in his face at the beach, employs Dynamic-Tension to build a herculean physique and to challenge the beach bully (see photograph). For generations, comic books and men's magazines have carried Atlas's advertisements, making his name synonymous with manly strength and muscular development.

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article.../Charles-Atlas

[ginkobulloba]

Charles Atlas...dude I used to see his ads in the back of the boy scouts magazine I got and he's one of the reasons I became a bodybuilder as well. Must've worked, never got sand kicked in my face.

Glad to hear the melanotan is working for you. There's people here at my gym raving about that stuff, saying they've never been tan before in their lives and now they look like Mexicans.

[thunderin]

Spots! Even though I finally have that Panama Jack dark tan, every single freckle that I had has got much darker with the melanotan. I am not too concerned since my freckles were not on my face. Everyone comments on the healthy color that I have, and I must agree that I do look better.

I have switched from injecting GH into only my lower a**ominal area to my upper abs as well due to spot/site injection fat loss. This stuff never ceases to amaze me.

It has been 3 months since I came off AAS, and I feel fully recovered. Nevertheless, I am sticking with my plan to not use AAS for a year.

Weight 90kg (198lbs)

Finally got my size 32 waist back again.

[jerseyboy]

Not for nothin bro but you look a hell of a lot bigger than 198lbs. in your avatar. I mean that as a compliment by the way. Incidentally I'm up to 7iu's a day now and after this summer cycle I plan to follow your lead and drop the AAS for awhile. I've been reading about guys doing 20-30iu's a day 3 days a week. Have you ever tried that protocol?

[thunderin]

Not for nothin bro but you look a hell of a lot bigger than 198lbs. in your avatar. I mean that as a compliment by the way. Incidentally I'm up to 7iu's a day now and after this summer cycle I plan to follow your lead and drop the AAS for awhile. I've been reading about guys doing 20-30iu's a day 3 days a week. Have you ever tried that protocol?

Thanks. As someone once told me, "Consider bodybuilding to be like a life-long marathon rather than a 100 meter dash."

I have no doubt that the above mentioned protocol can produce excellent results, but I simply feel no need to rush things so much.

I guess it all ***ends on your goals.

[mamias20918756]

what's ur diet like right now bro?

[thunderin]

what's ur diet like right now bro?

7am: can of tuna

10am: can of tuna

12:30pm: 2 chicken breast with steamed broccoli or cal***ower

4pm: can of tuna with 3/4 cup of rice and kimchi

8pm: low fat beef with 3/4 cup of rice and kimchi

3am: liquid yoghurt

4 cups of coffee per day along with 3 bottles of Gatorade and water

I stay hungry most of the time, but since summer is here, I want to keep my bodyfat quite low.

[jerseyboy]

Yeah I'll bet your hungry. That's not much to eat for a 200 pounder. At least I throw in some oatmeal a couple times a day. I got sick of tuna and chicken so I'm on a Tilapia kick now. I can't get enough of that stuff. Tasty!
Are there beaches in Korea?

[thunderin]

Yeah I'll bet your hungry. That's not much to eat for a 200 pounder. At least I throw in some oatmeal a couple times a day. I got sick of tuna and chicken so I'm on a Tilapia kick now. I can't get enough of that stuff. Tasty!
Are there beaches in Korea?

Korea, a peninsula, is surrounded by beaches and coastline. Also they have Cheju Island which is really a lovely place off the southern coast. If you like fish, they have fishing boats that will take you out and catch and make fresh sashimi for you right on the spot.

[thunderin]

I hope that this will not upset those who have been reading this log, but after a 3-month hiatus, I began another 12-week cutting cycle last night.

week 1-5 50mg oral turinabol and 50mg Miotolan (furazabol) ed
week 1-9 500mg trenbolone enanthate
week 1-9 500mg drostanolone enanthate
week 1-9 500mg testosterone enanthate
week 10-12 testosterone propionate

week 1-maybe forever 10iu GH ed
week 1-12 100mcg T4 ed
week 1-12 1mg arimidex ed
every 4th day 500iu HCG
week 1-12 ECA stack 3x ed

I am excited about this combination, and even though it is a cutting cycle, my muscle mass will increase while losing bodyfat.

[jerseyboy]

Couldn't resist huh?

[ZaneFan]

I respect a man who is honest about his drug use.

Thumbs up to thunderin.

[taiboxa]

I hope that this will not upset those who have been reading this log, but after a 3-month hiatus, I began another 12-week cutting cycle last night.

week 1-5 50mg oral turinabol and 50mg Miotolan (furazabol) ed
week 1-9 500mg trenbolone enanthate
week 1-9 500mg drostanolone enanthate
week 1-9 500mg testosterone enanthate
week 10-12 testosterone propionate

week 1-maybe forever 10iu GH ed
week 1-12 100mcg T4 ed
week 1-12 1mg arimidex ed
every 4th day 500iu HCG
week 1-12 ECA stack 3x ed

I am excited about this combination, and even though it is a cutting cycle, my muscle mass will increase while losing bodyfat.

LoL bout dam time!
imo GH can never replace AAS.. aas ... especially tren and a few DHT derivs are so potent and anabolic .. taht the get the LBM Growth from gh ur lookin at about 36iu ED MINIMUM. even at 16iu ED for about 6months.. i noticed VERY lil anabolism as compared to a good olfashion 6weeks of tren!

amazing thread non the less

[plzr8]

LoL bout dam time!
imo GH can never replace AAS.. aas ... especially tren and a few DHT derivs are so potent and anabolic .. taht the get the LBM Growth from gh ur lookin at about 36iu ED MINIMUM. even at 16iu ED for about 6months.. i noticed VERY lil anabolism as compared to a good olfashion 6weeks of tren!

amazing thread non the less

tai...you & tren need to get a room lol

[taiboxa]

tai...you & tren need to get a room lol

we already GOT ONE! and 2 kids on the way.. Fina and Para

[thunderin]

I got my gear out and started going through everything. It looked so attractive, shiny and inviting. My yellow bottle of tren started speaking to me saying, "I can help you get big, strong and nasty, try me, try me." Then his brother masty e and daddy test joined in. When cousin tbol chimed in too, I was convinced.
The rest is history. Amazing how good I feel today

Thanks bros

[taiboxa]

good luck and hope it treats u well.

[thunderin]

Starting to feel very anabolic . Pumps, hunger, hot flashes and sweats. Retaining a bit of water but have water pills on hand if needed.

I am trying a different style with my sets as instead of doing 6 rep max's, I am doing 10 rep max's and more sets. My joints are thanking me for this .

Have been a bit sleepless with accelerated heart rate....time to back off on the T4.

Everything else great.

[thunderin]

Weight 93.5kg (206lbs)

My weight and strength are going up nicely as is my apetite. No joint pain and libido is quite strong.

I have replaced tuna with canned whole mackeral/herring, and I have upped my rice intake. Also I have upped my fresh vegetable consumption but still keeping my diet very clean.

No new spots since I reduced my melanotan II intake to 0.5mg every 3rd day.

[ZaneFan]

LoL bout dam time!
imo GH can never replace AAS.. aas ... especially tren and a few DHT derivs are so potent and anabolic .. taht the get the LBM Growth from gh ur lookin at about 36iu ED MINIMUM. even at 16iu ED for about 6months.. i noticed VERY lil anabolism as compared to a good olfashion 6weeks of tren!

amazing thread non the less

36iu ED to get the anabolic effect of a good AAS cycle? Sad, but I think you are correct. Not very cost effective now is it? Maybe that is why Stallone had 48 vials on him for a one week visit to Australia. Maybe he is doing 50iu a day?

[thunderin]

36iu ED to get the anabolic effect of a good AAS cycle? Sad, but I think you are correct. Not very cost effective now is it? Maybe that is why Stallone had 48 vials on him for a one week visit to Australia. Maybe he is doing 50iu a day?

I got dbol -like effects from 15iu ed, but I had to eat like a pig to get them. I don't think I could handle the sides from 36iu ed. My wife would definitely kick my butt for spending that much .

[thunderin]

Stopped smoking again earlier this week, and I know I have got to stick with it. What a hypocrite I am to spend 2/3 of my life training and to smoke.

Last weekend's partying didn't seem to take a toll on me. 2 straight nights in business clubs/hostess clubs with all the extras that go with it made me thankful I was on GH and tren .

I have finally decided that I will go with the following protocol for T4:

50mcg eod to avoid palpitations and increased heart rate. With a 5-day half life, maybe this will help.

[thunderin]

The cold nights, getting rained on and exposure to different flu bugs kicked my butt in Korea. I have been on azithromycin (1000mg 1st day and 500mg today and tomorrow) to get my throat and lungs back to normal from a little infection.

Libido is going wild and I think my high test levels are causing me to cum to fast

My wife's been calling me "rabbit" for a few days now. Being sick in bed dose have its advatanges.

[thunderin]

Weight 94.5kg (I had dropped down to 91.5 last week from dieting and being sick)

My strength is going up very quickly, and I surmise it is due to the cocktail off AAS mixed with GH that I am taking now. The oral I am taking now is a mixture of anavar , tbol and miotolan. The sweats I am getting both day and night from the tren are keeping my washing machine busy. 37.5 degrees centigrade here..over 100 fahrenheit

I am going to have to change up my cycle due to recent events...nuf said bout that.

It shaping up to be like this:

week 3-8 75mg dbol ed (maybe a bit longer or a bit more
week 3-15 600mg deca ew
week 3-15 400mg drostanolone enanthate
week 3-15 1000mg testosterone decanoate (maybe higher)
week 16-18 testosterone propionate

week 1-maybe forever 10iu GH ed
week 1-15 50mcg T4 ed
week 1-15 1mg arimidex ed
every 4th day 500iu HCG

weeks 18-21 aggressive PCT

*On a side note the, I can't last longer than 2 minutes now all the good things rolling around in my system before "Old Sparky" blows his load. What the f...? Hell, I spent too many years trying to overly please women anyway.

[thunderin]

Weight 96 kg (211 lbs)

I started back on insulin today @ 6iu and will work my way up to 10iu. Have to keep my Humapens color coded to make sure I know which one is GH and which is insulin.

Aggression, strength, size and appetite are improving quickly. Holding more water but abs still look good.

My diet is clean with no junk food. My staples are rice and beans, fresh vegetables and loads of chicken and fish. I dropped the T4 and cut back to 1 cup of coffee per day, and my heart rate is returning to normal.

I also cut back to 0.5mg melanotan 2 every 3rd day because I was simply too dark. Imagine that, my lily white ass saying I am too dark.

I am happily married, and I am faithful. But, it is so hard. Pretty girls in thongs and tiny tops with smokin' hot bods everywhere. One thing nice about Asia is that you will not see overweight, cellulite laden bodies hardly ever. They are just so damn tight and sexy.....I think the testosterone is working

[jerseyboy]

Weight 96 kg (211 lbs)

.....I think the testosterone is working

Yeah I think so. Your tone has changed quite a bit since this thread started you horn dog.

[ZaneFan]

"One thing nice about Asia is that you will not see overweight, cellulite laden bodies hardly ever"

Thanks for rubbing it in! I am stuck in a very white American city!

[thunderin]

I feel for you bro, I really do.

So, I'm sending you something to think about. And remember, Asia is only a 12 hour flight from the west coast of the US.

From left to right: Miss Korea, Miss Singapore, Miss Japan, Miss China and Miss Malaysia

[thunderin]

And to finish off the review, Miss Philippines and Miss Thailand for your viewing pleasure.

I love Asia!!!!

[ZaneFan]

I feel for you bro, I really do.

So, I'm sending you something to think about. And remember, Asia is only a 12 hour flight from the west coast of the US.

From left to right: Miss Korea, Miss Singapore, Miss Japan, Miss China and Miss Malaysia

Its 12 hours one way. Its 0 hours on the way back meaning = I wouldnt come back!

[thunderin]

Weight 97.5kg

The GH is having a marked synergistic effect with the AAS I am using. My actual AAS dosage is a bit more than I posted. But, I am loving the results. My bodyfat levels are actually decreasing even though I am gaining weight quickly. Excellent.

Hunger levels are off the scale, but keeping a clean diet. No fast food nor cheeses. 6-7 meals per day.

Lovin' it....and not Mackey D's

[thunderin]

I am running my test, deca and dbol a "wee bit" higher than posted, but I will refrain from posting my dosages so as not to offend others.

Feeling better than great!

[inheritmylife]

Weight 97.5kg

The GH is having a marked synergistic effect with the AAS I am using. My actual AAS dosage is a bit more than I posted. But, I am loving the results. My bodyfat levels are actually decreasing even though I am gaining weight quickly. Excellent.

Hunger levels are off the scale, but keeping a clean diet. No fast food nor cheeses. 6-7 meals per day.

Lovin' it....and not Mackey D's

Eat your cheese dude. I imagine over yonder you can get it raw and, my favorite, goat.

[thunderin]

Eat your cheese dude. I imagine over yonder you can get it raw and, my favorite, goat.

I took your advice and broke open some gouda and edam this afternoon. You're right. I love that goat cheese too. Funny how not having any fatty foods for a few months makes you crave them.

[thunderin]

Cutting back on the arimidex to 0.5mg ed down from 1mg ed. I am very dry, and I feel I need a bit less AI.

I have upped my daily slin dose to 15iu Humulin R taken once in the morning. This way, I am able to take a quick nap late in the afternoon without worrying. If I want to sleep earlier, I simply carb up before laying down.

*Please don't follow my example unless you have a lot of experience with slin.

The AAS, slin & GH combo is working nicely.

My personality is better too now that the tren is going out of my system, sorry Tai...I ran out....probs in China.

[thunderin]

Understanding Esters and Half Life's
Steroid Half life's

Anyone new to steroids may be wondering what this means, even some experienced steroid users may also be wondering what this means. So here in simple terms you can read and hopefully understand all about steroid half life's and what this term means.

Basically every drug has a half life, steroids included. If for example, you were to inject 1000mg of testosterone cypionate once weekly, for 10 weeks, how would you know when you were "off"? Would you be "off" when you had finished your last dose? You would be able to calculate this from the half life of testosterone cypionate. The half life of testosterone cypionate is around 12 days. This means that 12 days from your last shot of 1000mg of testosterone cypionate (Time to start PCT? You decide.), your blood levels of testosterone cypionate will contain 500mg of the steroid. Another 12 days from then, i.e. 24 days from last dose, your blood levels will contain 250mg of the steroid. This amount then keeps halving every 12 days. At 48 days (almost 2 months) from your last dose, your blood levels will still contain 67.5mg of testosterone cypionate.

Therefore you can clearly see that when you finish your cycle, even though you are not putting any steroids into your body, you may think that you are now "off", however you still have, and will still have for some time after your last dose, "active" blood levels of the steroid. Therefore you can plan what to use, how long for, and how long off your cycle, based on these half life's.

Below a list of half-life's of the most commonly used steroids, esters and ancillary compounds.

Oral steroids Drug Active half-life
Anadrol / Anapolan50 (oxymetholone) 8 to 9 hours
Anavar (oxandrolone) 9 hours
Dianabol (methandrostenolone , methandienone) 4.5 to 6 hours
Winstrol (stanozolol )
(tablets or depot taken orally) 9 hours

Depot steroids Drug Active half-life
Deca -durabolin (Nandrolone decanate) 14 days
Equipoise 14 days
Finaject (trenbolone acetate) 3 days
Primobolan (methenolone enanthate) 10.5 days
Sustanon or Omnadren 15 to 18 days
Testosterone Cypionate 12 days
Testosterone Enanthate 10.5 days
Testosterone Propionate 4.5 days
Testosterone Suspension 1 day
Winstrol (stanozolol) 1 day

Steroid esters Drug Active half-life
Formate 1.5 days
Acetate 3 days
Propionate 2 days
Phenylpropionate 4.5 days
Butyrate 6 days
Valerate 7.5 days
Hexanoate 9 days
Caproate 9 days
Isocaproate 9 days
Heptanoate 10.5 days
Enanthate 10.5 days
Octanoate 12 days
Cypionate 12 days
Nonanoate 13.5 days
Decanoate 15 days
Undecanoate 16.5 days

Ancillaries Drug Active half-life
Arimidex 3 days
Clenbuterol 1.5 days
Clomid 5 days
Cytadren 6 hours
T3 10 hours

WHAT AN ESTER IS, AND HOW IT WORKS

I'm sure that if you have taken an interest in anabolic steroids you have noticed the similarities on the labeling of many drugs. Let's look at testosterone for example. One can find compounds like testosterone cypionate, enanthate, propionate, heptylate; caproate, phenylpropionate, isocaproate, decanoate, acetate, the list goes on and on. In all such cases the parent hormone is testosterone, which had been modified by adding an ester (enanthate, propionate etc.) to its structure. The following question arises: What is the difference between the various esterified versions of testosterone in regards to their use in bodybuilding?

An ester is a chain composed primarily of carbon and hydrogen atoms. This chain is typically attached to the parent steroid hormone at the 17th carbon position (beta orientation), although some compounds do carry esters at position 3 (for the purposes of this article it is not crucial to understand the exact position of the ester). Esterification of an injectable anabolic/androgenic steroid basically accomplishes one thing, it slows the release of the parent steroid from the site of injection. This happens because the ester will notably lower the water solubility of the steroid, and increase its lipid (fat) solubility. This will cause the drug to form a deposit in the muscle tissue, from which it will slowly enter into circulation as it is picked up in small quantities by the blood. Generally, the longer the ester chain, the lower the water solubility of the compound, and the longer it will take to for the full dosage to reach general circulation.

Slowing the release of the parent steroid is a great benefit in steroid medicine, as free testosterone (or other steroid hormones) previously would remain active in the body for a very short period of time (typically hours). This would necessitate an unpleasant daily injection schedule if one wished to maintain a continuous elevation of testosterone. By adding an ester, injections can be as infrequent as once per week or longer, instead of having to constantly re-administer the drug to achieve the desried effect. Clearly without the use of an ester, maintaining constant blood levels with an injectable anabolic/androgen would be much more difficult.

Esterification temporarily deactivates the steroid molecule. With a chain blocking the 17th beta position, binding to the androgen receptor is not possible (it can exert no activity in the body). In order for the compound to become active the ester must therefore first be removed. This automatically occurs once the compound has filtered into blood circulation, where esterase enzymes quickly cleave off (hydrolyze) the ester chain. This will restore the necessary hydroxyl (OH) group at the 17th beta position, enabling the drug to attach to the appropriate receptor. Now and only now will the steroid be able to have an effect on skeletal muscle tissue.

You can start to see why considering testosterone cypionate much more potent than enanthate makes little sense, as your muscles are seeing only free testosterone no matter what ester was used to deploy it.

ACTIONS OF DIFFERENT ESTERS

There are many different esters that are used with anabolic/androgenic steroids, but again, they all do basically the same thing. Esters vary only in their ability to reduce a steroid's water solubility. An ester like propionate for example will slow the release of a steroid for a few days, while the duration will be up to 15 days+/- with a decanoate ester. Esters have no effect on the tendency for the parent steroid to convert to estrogen or DHT (dihydrotestosterone: a more potent metabolite) nor will it effect the overall muscle-building potency of the compound. Any differences in results and side effects that may be noted by bodybuilders who have used various esterified versions of the same base steroid are just issues of timing.

*Testosterone enanthate causes estrogen related problems more readily than Sustanon, simply because with enanthate testosterone levels will peak and trough much sooner. Likewise testosterone suspension is the worst in regards to gyno and water bloat because blood hormone levels peak so quickly with this drug (propionate included). Instead of waiting weeks for testosterone levels to rise to their highest point, here we are at most looking at a couple of days. Given an equal blood level of testosterone, there would be no difference in the rate of aromatization or DHT conversion between different esters. There is simply no mechanism for this to be possible.

There is however one way that we can say an ester does technically effect potency; it is calculated in the steroid weight. The heavier the ester chain, the greater is its percentage of the total weight. In the case of testosterone enanthate for example, 250mg of esterified steroid (testosterone enanthate) is equal to only 180mg of free testosterone. 70mgs out of each 250mg injection is the weight of the ester. If we wanted to be really picky, we could consider enanthate slightly MORE potent than cypionate (I know this goes against popular thinking) as its ester chain contains one less carbon atom (therefore taking up a slightly smaller percentage of total weight). Propionate would of course come out on top of the three, releasing a measurable (but not significant) amount more testosterone per injection than cypionate or enanthate.

IN CONCLUSION

While the advent of esters certainly constitutes an invaluable advance in the field of anabolic steroid medicine, clearly you can see that there is no magic involved here. Esters work in a well-understood and predictable manner, and do not alter the activity of the parent steroid in any way other than to delay its release. Although the lure surrounding various steroid products like testosterone cypionate, Sustanon, Omnadren etc. certainly makes for interesting conversation, realistically it just amounts to misinformation that the athlete would be better off ignoring. Testosterone is testosterone and anyone who is going to tell you one ester form of this (or any) hormone is much better than another one should do a little more research, and a lot less talking.

ESTER PROFILES

Sustanon: The "king" of testosterone blends.
The four different testosterone esters in this product certainly look appealing to the consumer, there is no denying that. But for the athlete I think it is all just a matter of marketing (Hell, why buy one ester when you can get four?). In clinical situations I can see some strong uses for it. If you were undergoing testosterone replacement therapy for example, you would probably find Sustanon a much more comfortable option than testosterone enanthate. You would need to visit the doctor less frequently for an injection, and blood levels should be more steadily maintained between treatments. But for the bodybuilder who is injecting 4 ampules of Sustanon per week, there is no advantage over other testosterone products. In fact, the high price tag for Sustanon usually makes it a very poor buy in the face of cheaper testosterone enanthate/cypionate. Bodybuilders should probably stop looking at the four ester issue, and stick with totals (Sustanon is just a 250mg testosterone ampule). If you could get nearly double the milligram amount for the same price with enanthate, this is the better product to go with hands down. Leave the high priced stuff for the guys who don't know any better.

Acetate: Chemical Structure C2H4O2.
Also referred to as Acetic Acid; Ethylic acid; Vinegar acid; vinegar; Methanecarboxylic acid. Acetate esters delay the release of a steroid for only a couple of days. Contrary to what you may have read, acetate esters do not increase the tendency for fat removal. Again, there is no known mechanism for it to do so. It is the steroid and not the ester. This ester is used on oral primobolan tablets (metenolone acetate), Finaplix (trenbolone acetate) implant pellets, and occasionally testosterone.

Propionate: Chemical Structure C3H6O2.
Also referred to as Carboxyethane; hydroacrylic acid; Methylacetic acid; Ethylformic acid; Ethanecarboxylic acid; metacetonic acid; pseudoacetic acid; Propionic Acid. Propionate esters will slow the release of a steroid for several days. To keep blood levels from fluctuating greatly, propionate compounds are usually injected from every day to three times weekly. Testosterone propionate and methandriol dipropionate (two separate propionate esters attached to the parent steroid methandriol) are popular items.

Phenylpropionate: Chemical Structure C9H10O2.
Also referred to as Propionic Acid Phenyl Ester. Phenylpropionate will extend the release of active steroid a few days longer than propionate. To keep blood levels even, injections are given at least twice weekly. Durabolin is the drug most commonly seen with a phenylpropionate ester (nandrolone phenylpropionate), although it is also used with testosterone in Sustanon and Omnadren.

Isocarpoate: Chemical Structure C6H12O2.
Also referred to as Isocaproic Acid; isohexanoate; 4-methylvaleric acid. Isocaproate begins to near enanthate in terms of release. The duration is still shorter, with a notable hormone level being sustained for approximately one week. This ester is used with testosterone in the blended products Sustanon and Omnadren.

Caproate: Chemical Structure C6H12O2.
Also referred to as Hexanoic acid; hexanoate; n-Caproic Acid; n-Hexoic acid; butylacetic acid; pentiformic acid; pentylformic acid; n-hexylic acid; 1-pentanecarboxylic acid; hexoic acid; 1-hexanoic acid; Hexylic acid; Caproic acid. This ester is identical to isocarpoate in terms of atom count and weight, but is laid out slightly different (Isocaproate has a split configuration, difficult to explain here but easy to see on paper). Release duration would be very similar to isocaproate (levels sustained for approximately one weak), perhaps coming slightly closer to enanthate due to its straight chain. Caproate is the slowest releasing ester used in Omnadren, which is why most athletes notice more water retention with this compound due to blood level saturation.

Enanthate: Chemical Structure C7H14O2.
Also referred to as heptanoic acid; enanthic acid; enanthylic acid; heptylic acid; heptoic acid; Oenanthylic acid; Oenanthic acid. Enanthate is one of the most prominent esters used in steroid manufacture (most commonly seen with testosterone but is also used in other compounds like Primobolan Depot). Enanthate will release a steady (yet fluctuating as all esters are) level of hormone for approximately 10-14 days. Although in medicine enanthate compounds are often injected on a bi-weekly or monthly basis, athletes will inject at least weekly to help maintain a uniform blood level.

Cypionate: Chemical Structure C8H14O2.
Also referred to as Cyclopentylpropionic acid, cyclopentylpropionate. Cypionate is a very popular ester in the U.S., although it is scarcely found outside this region. Its release duration is almost identical to enanthate (10-14 days), and the two are likewise thought to be interchangeable in U.S. medicine. Althletes commonly hold the belief than cypionate is more powerful than enanthate, although realistically there is little difference between the two. The enanthate ester is in fact slightly smaller than cypionate, and it therefore releases a small (perhaps a few milligrams) amount of steroid more in comparison.

Decanoate: Chemical Structure C10H20O2.
Also referred to as decanoic acid; capric acid; caprinic acid; decylic acid, Nonanecarboxylic acid. The Decanoate ester is most commonly used with the hormone nandrolone (as in Deca-Durabolin) and is found in virtually all corners of the world. Testosterone decanoate is also the longest acting constituent in Sustanon, greatly extending its release duration. The release time with Decanoate compounds is listed to be as long as one month, although most recently we are finding that levels seem to drop significantly after two weeks. To keep blood levels more uniform, athletes (as they have always known to do) will follow a weekly injection schedule.

Undecylenate: Chemical Structure C11H20O2.
Also referred to as Undecylenic acid; Hendecenoic acid; Undecenoic acid. This ester is very similar to decanoate, containing only one carbon atom more. Its release duration is likewise very similar (approximately 2-3 weeks), perhaps extending a day or so past that seen with decanoate. Undecylenate seems to be exclusive to the veterinary preparation Equipoise (boldenone undecylenate), although there is no reason it would not work well in human-use preparations (Equipoise certainly works fine for athletes). Again, weekly injections are most common.

Undecanoate: Chemical Structure C11H22O2.
Also referred to as Undecanoic Acid; 1-Decanecarboxylic acid; Hendecanoic acid; Undecylic acid. Undecanoate is not a commonly found ester, and only appears to be used in the nandrolone preparation Dynabolan, and oral testosterone undecanoate (Andriol ). Since this ester is chemically very similar to undecylenate (it is only 2 hydrogen atoms larger), it has a similar release duration (approximately 2-3 weeks). Although this ester is used in the oral preparation Andriol, there is no reason to believe it carries any properties unique of other esters. Andriol in fact works very poorly at delivering testosterone, bolstering the idea that oral administration is not the idea use of esterified androgens.

Laurate: Chemical structure C12H24O2.
Also referred to as Dodecanoic acid, laurostearic acid, duodecyclic acid, 1-undecanecarboxylic acid, and dodecoic acid. Laurate is the longest releasing ester used in commercial steroid production, although longer acting esters do exist. Its release duration would be closer to one month than the other esters listed above, although realistically we are probably to expect a notable drop in hormone level after the third week. Laurate is exclusively found in the veterinary nandrolone preparation Laurabolin, perhaps seen as slightly advantageous over a decanoate ester due to a less frequent injection schedule. Again athletes will most commonly inject this drug weekly, no doubt in part due to its low strength (25mg/ml or 50mg/ml).

Please see the attached spreadsheet image of the active life for a typical Testosterone Decanoate (500mg each week) and Deca (400mg each week) Cycle. Each drug has a 15-day+/- half life. As you will notice, it may take up to 90 days after your last injection for these drugs to become inactive.

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"Half-life is not a reference for the total time a drug will be found active in the body. It may take several half-lives before the drug is completely inactive."

Half-life: The period of time required for the concentration or amount of drug in the body to be reduced to exactly one-half of a given concentration or amount.

Example: The half-life of anavar is 9 hours+/- (9 hours after oral administration of 50 mg of anavar, 25mg is still present in the body).

Active life: Refers to the period in which the amount of a drug in the body is enough that it will still produce the desired effects for which it was administered. Or conversely, inhibit natural recovery of normal bodily function. It is dose dependent.

Example: The active life of 1,000mg of testosterone decanoate would be more than one month. At day 30 after injection, 250mg or more of this drug would still be present in the body.

Post Conclusion:

All the evidence points to the use of short estered AAS injectables, versus long estered AAS injectables, as being the fastest way to recover natural testosterone levels post cycle.

Going to be changing my gear soon.

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I was going to refrain from posting dosages but here goes.

Have cut back to 0.5mg of arimidex eod as well as cutting back the dbol to 100mg ed from 150 (couldn't see much difference). Test cyp 625mg every Tue, Thu, Sat and Sun with deca 800mg every Sun. 10iu of slin at 7am followed by another 10iu at 12noon (3 weeks on/off).

Clean diet with 7 meals per day. I love test, deca, dbol...tren . Love my AAS.