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06-15-2010, 03:45 PM #41English Rudeboy
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No Problem bud - like the idea of the thread!
Yeah I'm really looking forward to running it - I get great gains from tren but it does turn me into a bit of a cunt but I reckon I can fight it for 4 weeks ha!
The 5iu at bedtime is simply following the logic that if thats when our bodies release it then thats probably the time it works best, I like to think its helping me to grow in my sleep etc
Yeah I only train mon, wed & fri - big believer in "less is more" - hardest lesson to learn in BBing IMO!
I don't necessarily need to add the extra GH PWO but I feel that as I've been on 10iu ed for nearly 6 months I would like to up it for the 4 week blast just to absolutely super-saturate every muscle building mechanism - if that makes sense?
I haven't run the lantus yet but Maxtiter argues the case for it as opposed to fast acting slin very convincingly and whilst the science is a bit beyond me it is clear he knows what he is talking about - a few of the boys over there have tried it, some loved it, some didn't so I figure I'd better give it a go!
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06-15-2010, 03:53 PM #42
Well I figured we need a serious HGH thread as so many good guys use it but not much is said about it...until now I hope!
I agree that having the 5iu's at bedtime will help you sleep but I am concerned that it will supress your own natural production as its biggest pulse out of the 6-9 we have each day is produced shorty afetr we fall asleep at night. Have you got conflicting info mate?
You will have to let us know how the insulin works for you.-XL
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06-15-2010, 04:08 PM #43English Rudeboy
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As far as the suppression of our nighttime release I have seen a study that seemed to indicate that the IGF spike that would inhibit the endogenous release occurs quite some time after the GH is injected and therefore bedtime injects would not disturb the nocturnal pulse - however this is not really my justification for the bedtime injection - I think that if you are running 2-4iu ed then yeah you probably don't want to compromise that nocturnal pulse, but when you're injecting 8-10ius ed that nighttime pulse becomes somewhat less crucial, in fact I would go so far as to say irrelevent when weighed against the extra benefits (albeit theorised) of copying nature and using GH at the time our bodies release the bulk of it.
I will certainly let you know how the lantus works out
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06-15-2010, 04:19 PM #44
I take on board what you have said, I remember reading an old redbaron post advising againt bedtime shots and its something ive always stuck to. I dont like the idea of risking 'wasting free gh' by supressing my own at nighttime but if you have seen a study that says this is not the case then i might give it a try and see how it works for me.
Thanks for your quality input mate....keep it coming!-XL
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06-15-2010, 04:24 PM #45
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06-15-2010, 04:30 PM #46English Rudeboy
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Yeah these things stick with us when we read them early on because we take them as gospel and forget that they are just the opinions of other people - don't get me wrong some of them are very well educated opinions, especially guys like RedBaron, but they are opinions nonetheless - even when they are based on studies they still have to be interpreted as there are no clinical trials currently in place that are concerned with "How to get massive" lol
Even the study I was referring to was not clear cut, some of the guys over there were saying it meant one thing, some another - but it at least threw the subject open to debate.
Like I said though - the study is not really the reason I run it at night - I just like the idea of copying nature and think that the lost pulse at night is of negligeable importance when you're running upwards of 8iu.
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06-15-2010, 04:35 PM #47
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06-15-2010, 05:05 PM #49English Rudeboy
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I've been on this time since january and aim to stay on indefinitely.
I first used GH back in '04 I think and since then have done runs of varying lengths and dosage protocols,
5iu ed + 10iu PWO mon,wed,fri
20iu PWO mon,wed,fri
I am kinda of the belief that the timings aren't overly crucial and that its more the total number of iu's per week that dictates the results - but it's fun trying different methods!
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06-15-2010, 08:10 PM #50Originally Posted by Xtralarg;5222***
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06-15-2010, 11:42 PM #51
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06-16-2010, 12:31 AM #52
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06-16-2010, 12:36 AM #53
Well i've read that some users did that and they were takin like 30-40iu for these days and others started with a "small" amount for the first days and then loaded ... like i said its still early to know the exact protocol i'll do but you'll b informed when i'll start and what exactly i'll do ...
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06-16-2010, 01:09 AM #54
Have you ever tried EOD?
I have read books that state this is a good protocol because it more accurately replicates the human pusile frequency of gh.
I have tried eod and had excellent results, but i have to say they were no better or worse than 5 on 2 off.....i guess like most other things its down to the individual and how they react.-XL
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06-16-2010, 01:10 AM #55
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06-16-2010, 01:20 AM #57English Rudeboy
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Nah, the closest to that I've done is the 20iu mon,wed,fri shot PWO with 12iu humalog which seemed very effective, but like we have both said - not necessarily any more or less effective than other dosing regimens.
Max makes a very convincing scientific argument AGAINST the use of fast acting insulin PWO, however I have always thought that anecdotal eveidence from a decent amount of well respected peers is worth more than all the studies/science in the world (until someone actually funds a study entitled "The most effective administration of Growth Hormone for the purpose of bodybuilding" - don't hold your breath ) and I know LOADS of guys who have reported fantastic results from the GH + fast slin PWO combo.
OK I have just made my own mind up, lol - during my 4 week blast I will continue with the 5iu GH at bedtime and 5iu GH upon waking and add an additional 10iu GH + 10iu fast slin PWO on mon,wed & fri.
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06-16-2010, 09:47 AM #58
okay will do .. il take it to 3IU today. but i just took a look at my ankles and its exactly as what you said, they look BLOATED like hell ummm hahahaha they look funny
just a stupid question thats been on my mind , now someone hits lets say 6-8IU will it only build muslce or burn fat and build muscle ?
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06-16-2010, 10:21 AM #59
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06-16-2010, 10:25 AM #60
Well dont worry about the bloat its a good sign! And it will go down in time.
6-8iu's is the point where magicl things start to happen! You will build muscle and burn fat....something which is hard to do under normal circumstances.
Are you happy with your cycle so far?-XL
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06-16-2010, 12:54 PM #61English Rudeboy
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Yeah Maxtiter is some kind of russian doctor - he blows my mind with some of the stuff he comes out with and he made a very strong case for the use of long acting slin, initially he favoured levemir/detemir (another long acting slin) but then he dug out some more research that seems to indicate that glargine slin i.e. lantus has 30 times the effect on IGF-1 receptors that levemir has and therefore should be ALOT more effective at building muscle.
"It is still controversially discussed whether insulin triggers mitogenic effects through its own receptor, by interacting with IGF-1R or by activating insulin/IGF-1 hybrid receptors (Eckel, 2005).
In the light of these discussions, the structural changes of the insulin molecule to create rapid- or long-acting insulin analogues become increasingly important. It is known that modifications in the B10 and B26-B30 region are able to change the affinity towards the IGF-1R (Slieker et al., 1997). This has been demonstrated for AspB10 insulin which is known for its strong tumourigenic action (Drejer, 1992). Studies investigating receptor binding properties of insulin analogues have shown that AspB10 insulin and insulin glargine have a 6 to 8-fold and insulin lispro a 1.5-fold higher affinity to the IGF-1R compared with regular insulin (Kurtzhals et al., 2000), while insulin aspart (Bornfeldt et al., 1991) and insulin glulisine (Ciaraldi et al., 2005; Rakatzi et al., 2003a) have a low affinity to the IGF-1R similar to regular insulin. For insulin detemir a 5-fold lower affinity to the IGF-1R has been found (Kurtzhals et al., 2000)."
He advocates a working up to a dose of around 30ius of lantus with breakfast which will work all day and people do not seem to have any hypo problems because it does not lower blood sugar as quickly as the faster acting slins, it should just mean that you are soaking up every last bit of nutrition all day long!
I just want to pack on some serious lean mass before cutting again - I couldn't put a number on it as I have never done a short high dose cycle like this before so I do not really know what to expect.
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06-16-2010, 01:09 PM #62
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06-16-2010, 01:50 PM #63
well im very excited about the cycle but im having some "life issues" so its taking the fun away from gym and the excitement to some extent, but i hope everything will be over soon and ill enjoy this im off to bed right now (11:50 pm) ill wake up at dawn and treat my body with some 3IU ,, yummy cant wait
thanks again for everything
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06-16-2010, 02:53 PM #64English Rudeboy
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Yup - I'm going to drop my prop dose right down in the 2 weeks before I start then eat like FUCK, take digestive enzymes and R-ALA before every meal to make sure I absorb every last calorie and obviously will be running thyroid hormones to keep my protein turn over rate at full tilt - really quite excited about it - should be starting on the 5th July!
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06-16-2010, 03:25 PM #65
I like the cycle mate! Just not 100% about the slow insulin , maybe its me being old school though? Like I said I will keep an open mind and keep reading about it!
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06-16-2010, 03:27 PM #66
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06-16-2010, 03:33 PM #67English Rudeboy
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06-16-2010, 03:36 PM #68
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06-16-2010, 05:40 PM #69
Thanks for asking,
I had the usual sides I get from AAS?! And I used this supplier since I started using AAS. I always do blood test after the cycle. So my test, LH and FSH were shut.
I admit my diet was poor. So after the cycle I decided to address my diet which I did. I also thought it could be my form and technique at the GYM so I hired an excellent trainer. He is helping me and I learned a lot from him ….
However, I decided to change my supplier …
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06-16-2010, 06:26 PM #70
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06-17-2010, 07:16 AM #71
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06-17-2010, 09:35 AM #72
DUDE..... keep me informed on your progress. One of my good friends is running 5iu's hgh, no less than 750 test and throws tren and dbol in there on and off..... also uses 10iu's humalin-R PWO with 100mcg's IGF-1..... this kid is a beast. I always remember reading humalog was the best slin to use because it's out so fast but you've got me curious.
I'm not ready to take the slin plunge yet but I'm considering it for my winter run.....
I also may be upping my gh to 10iu's/day while I run my test/tren/mast this summer.
~Haz~
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06-17-2010, 09:53 AM #73English Rudeboy
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This is what we all thought because we read it and it seems to make logical sense, what Maxititer says is that because the effect of humalog is SO quick it does not have time to spread throughout the body but instead tends to cause the vast majority of blood sugar to to pushed into the liver rather than skeletal muscle.
I'll be running my cycle with long acting slin in july so I will be able to report my actual experience as opposed to just quoting my mate Max lol
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06-17-2010, 10:34 AM #74
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06-17-2010, 11:07 AM #75English Rudeboy
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Yeah I'll post up in here about it, I'm not one for keeping a log to be honest so this thread will be ideal.
Apparently the "If you consume any fat while insulin is active it will be immediately stored as fat" rule is another bit of bro-science and is nowhere NEAR as crucial as people parrot on the boards - I will be eating clean regardless though!
I will be injecting it all with breakfast.
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06-17-2010, 05:39 PM #76
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06-18-2010, 01:29 AM #77
Last edited by Xtralarg; 06-18-2010 at 09:14 AM.
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06-18-2010, 03:26 PM #78
Bump for more input........
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06-19-2010, 08:18 PM #79
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06-20-2010, 02:36 AM #80
Hey guys !!
I noticed I stopped getting the "numb and tingly" feeling after my shots , anything wrong here ?
And I'm sure the bloat is starting to fade away a little
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