Roman's TB-500 log...........

[spiralkut]

What if you were to run the TB500 purely for the endurance benefit would the dosage and length of cycle be different?

[Times Roman]

please use the right tool for the right job. TB is for healing, not for endurance.

Good luck!
---Roman

What if you were to run the TB500 purely for the endurance benefit would the dosage and length of cycle be different?

[pyrotalk]

I cant wait to try this for my Rotator cuff tear..
1.Do you workout before pinning? will cardio do?
2.i read once per week. others pin 3X/wk. which is it?

[Times Roman]

I cant wait to try this for my Rotator cuff tear..
1.Do you workout before pinning? will cardio do?
2.i read once per week. others pin 3X/wk. which is it?

sorry for the lengthy delay

there is no benefit correlation between the timing of the pinning and exercising. pin as you please once per week.

because this peptide is metabolized quickly, you should not think of it as you would with an anabolic whereby you try to maintain a stable blood serum level. as far as i can tell, pinning once per week is sufficient. three times a week does not increase the effect, and therefore, again in my opinion, is a waste of syringes.

[nussnussbaby]

What is TB? What's it do?

[Times Roman]

What is TB? What's it do?

it is a healing peptide.

Please read the thread Grasshopper. All your questions will be answered.

[bass]

it is a healing peptide.

Please read the thread Grasshopper. All your questions will be answered.

what?! I thought it was a penis enlarger!

[Times Roman]

what?! I thought it was a penis enlarger!

no, you would use your usual....

....a magnifying glass! =)

[pyrotalk]

I been using it for 2 wks and so far so good.. nothing extraordinary but it might be a matter of time. I ranout and place a quick order last week at ar-r and they cancelled my order after going thru the fraud signature process. at the last minute. wont buy from them anymore.. where else u buying your gear from? anyone use geopeptides?

[Times Roman]

I been using it for 2 wks and so far so good.. nothing extraordinary but it might be a matter of time. I ranout and place a quick order last week at ar-r and they cancelled my order after going thru the fraud signature process. at the last minute. wont buy from them anymore.. where else u buying your gear from? anyone use geopeptides?

for most, it takes at least 3, but usually a minimum of 4 weeks to begin to notice the first hint of a benefit.....

[Anonona]

for most, it takes at least 3, but usually a minimum of 4 weeks to begin to notice the first hint of a benefit.....

I noticed the anti-inflammatory effects within 48hrs.

[lovbyts]

After about 2 weeks I start to notice a difference, or should I say I stop feeling as much pain/discomfort. The problem is once it goes away I start forgetting to continue with the TB500 until it all comes back after about a month or so.

what?! I thought it was a penis enlarger!

no, you would use your usual....

....a magnifying glass! =)

Most cell phone cams have micro mode now.

[dovakid]

So i just finish my first 4 week. I noticed a tremendous relief of inflammation on right shoulder (supra tear) but no relief whatsoever on my left shoulder (AC arthritis). I also read two protocols:
-wk 1-4 (pin twice/wk 2x2mg)
-months 2-6 (pin once/month 2mg)

2nd method:
-wk1-6 (pin twice/wk 2x2mg)
-months 2-6 (pin once/mo 2mg)

When would i start the monthly pins? a week later after i finish my weekly pins? or a month later?

thanks all.. also read that it only has inflammatory effects, no real repair. so i am taking supercissus in addition. I am tempted on igf-lr

[Anonona]

So i just finish my first 4 week. I noticed a tremendous relief of inflammation on right shoulder (supra tear) but no relief whatsoever on my left shoulder (AC arthritis). I also read two protocols:
-wk 1-4 (pin twice/wk 2x2mg)
-months 2-6 (pin once/month 2mg)

2nd method:
-wk1-6 (pin twice/wk 2x2mg)
-months 2-6 (pin once/mo 2mg)

When would i start the monthly pins? a week later after i finish my weekly pins? or a month later?

thanks all.. also read that it only has inflammatory effects, no real repair. so i am taking supercissus in addition. I am tempted on igf-lr

Check it out on pudmed, proven to have healing properties on human physiology. Currently being trialled for neurological and cardiac conditions.

Our doses are very low. For MS they are trialling two doses, one group on ~400mg pw and the other on ~1400mg pw.

[Times Roman]

Check it out on pudmed, proven to have healing properties on human physiology. Currently being trialled for neurological and cardiac conditions.

Our doses are very low. For MS they are trialling two doses, one group on ~400mg pw and the other on ~1400mg pw.

I have two issues with you I will address:

1) "our" doses are very low. "OUR"? what do you mean by "our". who or what are you promoting?
2) those are very high doses, not low doses. 5mg/week is about right. where do you come off with 1400mg/week?????

[Anonona]

I have two issues with you I will address:

1) "our" doses are very low. "OUR"? what do you mean by "our". who or what are you promoting?
2) those are very high doses, not low doses. 5mg/week is about right. where do you come off with 1400mg/week?????

1- Members of this forum.
2- Low in comparison to usage in clinic trials. Example here is 1200mg and 400mg, the front loading dose is higher again! A Study of the Safety and Efficacy of Injectable Thymosin Beta 4 for Treating Acute Myocardial Infarction - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov

[LillyWhites]

Roman, very interested in your log. I'm currently working on Ipamorelin+MOD GRF 1-29 w/o DAC for a Grade-1 right shoulder separation (sprain in simple terms), that has bugged me for years, and never ending soreness in the left shouder. Anyway, I saw your dosing 5mg, then read..and read, and saw that it is pinned all at once, with only one pin per week...is this correct? Also, do you stick by your cycle of 5 weeks at the amounts shown below, or would you change things now that you've run through the cycle. Lastly, what is your maintenance? Right now i pin 3x per day of 100mcg each, and will keep this for 12 weeks, then taper down to geezer maintenance mode of 100mcg each in the AM...also pin for Low-T (old age is a bitch.....but she's my bitch.)

thanks for the log, appreciate the time and effort it took to keep updated, and look forward to your response.

Wk1 - 5mg
Wk2 - 2.5mg
Wk3 - 2.5mg
Wk4 - 2mg
Wk5 - 2mg

[ptex]

I used TB500 in the summer to help with recovery from a microscopic discectomy due to a disk herniation at l5-s1. I was back in the gym in 12 weeks not bad. I re herniated the same disk seen in another mri about two months ago now. My surgeon wanted to do a microscopic discectomy again. I asked him for 3 weeks knowing I stared back on TB500 as soon as I felt it go the 3ed week would put me at a 5 week cycle of TB500. I started back at the gym after a month. My surgeon says I'm healed!! He said my immune system probably destroyed the herniation, or my nerve bundle is accommodating the herniation. I think the TB500 helped my immune system take care of the herniation because his description of how the immune system works on dead or wounded cells is exactly the reason I started taking TB500.

Anyway I did weekly injections of 5mg for six weeks. Now I'm taking a week off then going every other week for six weeks or should I do once a month for six months?

[ptex]

ooops

[steppenwolf]

i had open heart surgery 4 years ago. they cut my pecs and ribs. i still have pain.

would TB500 heal my pecs and ribs?

thanks in advance.

[slimshady01]

I just had distal bicep surgery last week. Im running Ipam and mod 1-29 morning and night and also thought about adding TB500.. Should I start right away this close after surgery or wait till more rehab time when im lifting light weights strengthening the newly attached tendon?

[LillyWhites]

I just had distal bicep surgery last week. Im running Ipam and mod 1-29 morning and night and also thought about adding TB500.. Should I start right away this close after surgery or wait till more rehab time when im lifting light weights strengthening the newly attached tendon?

Slim...if you could drop me a line and let me know how you get on with the Ipam and Mod1-29. I've been running the same protocol except 3x per day for 6 weeks...slight improvement. Thinking of adding/switching to TB-500 and use the Ipam and Mod1-29 1x per day for anti-aging benefits. Thanks.

[slimshady01]

Slim...if you could drop me a line and let me know how you get on with the Ipam and Mod1-29. I've been running the same protocol except 3x per day for 6 weeks...slight improvement. Thinking of adding/switching to TB-500 and use the Ipam and Mod1-29 1x per day for anti-aging benefits. Thanks.

Running now and started the TB last Monday,, I'll keep u posted. Throw me a PM to remind me later

[snowblowjoe]

What up slims shady!!

[slimshady01]

What up slims shady!!

Ha what's up bro.. Just trying to heal

[NEFLRick]

Ordered this just yesterday. Going to use it to (hopefully) get my shoulder better (separated it a few years back and it hurts on and off but mostly on) and tendonosis in my forearm and bicep. Once I start, I'll post a log up. Thanks for all of the great info!

[Times Roman]

i had open heart surgery 4 years ago. they cut my pecs and ribs. i still have pain.

would TB500 heal my pecs and ribs?

thanks in advance.

there's only one way to really find out...............................

[Chicagotarsier]

I have spent three days reading scientific journal articles on TB-500

The thing that stuck in my mind is the way they calculate animal safe doses to human safe doses. The one article had the information from greyhounds and its use and then they calculated to human weight. At 200 pounds the initial dose would have been in the 10-15 range with the subsequent doses in the 6-7 range. In general bodybuilders across forums say the 5 up front and 2 subsequent are too low for any noticeable "gains". At minimal the weight of the subject is very important to consider when using this substance.

I am very interested in this for recovery mechanism.

[Times Roman]

I have spent three days reading scientific journal articles on TB-500

The thing that stuck in my mind is the way they calculate animal safe doses to human safe doses. The one article had the information from greyhounds and its use and then they calculated to human weight. At 200 pounds the initial dose would have been in the 10-15 range with the subsequent doses in the 6-7 range. In general bodybuilders across forums say the 5 up front and 2 subsequent are too low for any noticeable "gains". At minimal the weight of the subject is very important to consider when using this substance.

I am very interested in this for recovery mechanism.

when doing a straight line correlation from animals to humans to determine doses, you can run afoul. for example, just say a 2000lb horse doses at 15mg/week. this doesn't necessarily mean you divide by ten to come up with the proper dosage for a 200lb man. (which admittedly, 1.5mg is about half of what I would normally expect a weekly dose to be). it would be a clue as to the proper dose, and maybe a starting point if no data available and the drug you are experimenting with is fairly benign.

now, I bolded your word "gains" for a reason. when I hear this word, to me, this means gains in the gym with respect to size and strength. But TB is not used for this purpose. 5mg on the first injection and 2mg per week after that is actually a fairly typical protocol.

[Anonona]

when doing a straight line correlation from animals to humans to determine doses, you can run afoul. for example, just say a 2000lb horse doses at 15mg/week. this doesn't necessarily mean you divide by ten to come up with the proper dosage for a 200lb man. (which admittedly, 1.5mg is about half of what I would normally expect a weekly dose to be). it would be a clue as to the proper dose, and maybe a starting point if no data available and the drug you are experimenting with is fairly benign.

now, I bolded your word "gains" for a reason. when I hear this word, to me, this means gains in the gym with respect to size and strength. But TB is not used for this purpose. 5mg on the first injection and 2mg per week after that is actually a fairly typical protocol.

To add to TR's point- from memory canine physiology requires higher dosing for most drugs other than some anti-inflamitories and antibiotics. Opiates, benzos etc they seem to be able to take 5-10x what a human can.

At 200lbs I had good results with 5mg per week, my log is on this forum. What's the worst that can happen? If you are worried about max dose i humans, look up RGN-352 trials. Higher doses of TB4 used for MS and cardiac issues.

[jasondd1]

Well I tried it as outlined and zero results. Now I'm seeing a new chiro and hopefully he can help my shoulder, elbow, bicep tendon problems.

[Roughneck82]

What brand is everyone using? I've been talking with the guy from medivet Australia. Sounds like they are the manufacture of tb-500.

[Times Roman]

Well I tried it as outlined and zero results. Now I'm seeing a new chiro and hopefully he can help my shoulder, elbow, bicep tendon problems.

if you don't mind me asking, what did you do?

dose/schedule?

seems strange it didn't work.

and so far, I haven't heard of anyone getting bogus. But now that the price has been going up, there could be a first?

[jasondd1]

I followed your dosing protocol spot on and nothing.

That being said i believe my issues were more related to physical problems. My chiropractor has relieved a lot of my pain in 4 visits. Neck issues plus physical therapy type stuff on my shoulders has done wonders. I will update in a month or so to see how it has gone.

if you don't mind me asking, what did you do?

dose/schedule?

seems strange it didn't work.

and so far, I haven't heard of anyone getting bogus. But now that the price has been going up, there could be a first?

[Times Roman]

I followed your dosing protocol spot on and nothing.

That being said i believe my issues were more related to physical problems. My chiropractor has relieved a lot of my pain in 4 visits. Neck issues plus physical therapy type stuff on my shoulders has done wonders. I will update in a month or so to see how it has gone.

TB does not heal everything. if you are going to a chiro, then this is probably something not healable, more like a realignment or muscular "knot"?

[jasondd1]

TB does not heal everything. if you are going to a chiro, then this is probably something not healable, more like a realignment or muscular "knot"?

Yeah i didn't know that when I posted but he took x rays and ive definitely got issues with my neck, shoulders etc that goes beyond tendonitis or inflammation. Although I think that's the typical sales pitch they give most people when reading their x rays.

[Times Roman]

Yeah i didn't know that when I posted but he took x rays and ive definitely got issues with my neck, shoulders etc that goes beyond tendonitis or inflammation. Although I think that's the typical sales pitch they give most people when reading their x rays.

I've never been to a chiro.

I know, I know....

....try it, you'll like it?

But I don't see it as anything other than a big fancy massage.

I'm surprised some insurance companies pay for it.

I don't see how any chiro can solve any problems long term?

[EquilibriumZ]

I m confused. What is the volume of tb-500 that arr is selling? The whole thing is 2mg?

[Times Roman]

the volume that ARR is selling? do you mean the weight they are selling? just go to their website and see. Sometimes, they may run out so go double check

[68Rebel]

Hey thanks for this thread. I fully ruptured my left Achilles tendon and had re attachment surgery. worst recovery of my life... its been 3 years and the calve is still noticeably smaller than the right. Unfortunately after starting to run again earlier this spring my right tendon developed tendonitis and it has been holding me back from ramping up my running. just previous to the rupture I was running 10k in 39 min and I would really like to get back to that but am nervous to push with the right tendon acting up.

I think I'm going to be getting my hands on some tb-500 asap.

I have 3 weeks left of my aas cycle ( test 400 1ml /week and trenE200 1ml/week )

do you think I should wait till my pct is complete before I start the tb-500?