1st cycle: test cyp @ 500mg/wk - 12 weeks!

**Trying-Hard** · 10-15-2012, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Arimidex EOD.

Aromasin ED or 2x day.

Correct. That is the plan. If everything else looks good via the xcell document, then cool. If not, please let me know.

Thanks so much for all of your help, Swifto. You have been very helpful despite the fact that I bombarded your PM box...;-)

**Trying-Hard** · 10-15-2012, 08:46 PM

Man, good workout tonight. Did chest/tris and for chest I was FINALLY able to do more than 6 reps of 275 lbs. on flat bench. I have been trying to go over the 6 rep mark for 6 weeks now and today was the day. I did it 8x and stopped there although I am positive I could have done 9 and *may* have been able to do 10. Then got pumped and got the courage to throw on 315 and I was able to do it 3x clean, and with the 4th rep I needed a touch to get it up.

I am very happy with today's results. Now the bad news....

Checked BP and it was 140/80. Relaxed, waited 5 mins and tried it again. 130/87. This is just another sign that I need to get off and give my body a rest. Now I will say with certainty that my cycle will come to a halt at the 12 week mark.

This week and next week is all that is left.....=)

**ANIMAL** · 10-15-2012, 09:50 PM

So you upped your HCG to to 500iu and 1000iu instead of what you wrote out 250iu and 500iu? Were you currently taking 250iu throughout the cycle?

**Trying-Hard** · 10-16-2012, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by ANIMAL

So you upped your HCG to to 500iu and 1000iu instead of what you wrote out 250iu and 500iu? Were you currently taking 250iu throughout the cycle?

Yes, I was taking 250 throughout entire cycle and it was just recently (today actually, as you can see from the XCELL doc) that I decided to up the dose. The reason why I did that is because I am just now starting to get testicular atrophy. So I proposed to up my dose and the vets (swifto, etc.) agreed.

Swifto also said to double the dose the last 4 HCG shots which is why you see the 1000IUs there.

**Buster Brown** · 10-16-2012, 08:34 AM

Hey bro I haven't checked out your log in a bit but want to say you have made some great gains.

**Trying-Hard** · 10-16-2012, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by Buster Brown;6214***

Hey bro I haven't checked out your log in a bit but want to say you have made some great gains.

Thanks Buster, appreciate it!

**Brohim** · 10-16-2012, 08:44 PM

nice work. Please keep us updated on blood work and through PCT. BTW good job on blasting HCG at the end. Your testicles are #1 factor on recovering and HCG is the med you need to get them going to full speed quickly.

**Trying-Hard** · 10-16-2012, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Brohim

nice work. Please keep us updated on blood work and through PCT. BTW good job on blasting HCG at the end. Your testicles are #1 factor on recovering and HCG is the med you need to get them going to full speed quickly.

Thanks, Brohim. I agree with you regarding HCG .

I will be updating this thread all the way through PCT with morning weight / strength in gym / BW / etc.

**Trying-Hard** · 10-21-2012, 07:53 AM

Starting morning weight: 180.0
End of week 1: 180.6
End of week 2: 184.0
End of week 3: 187.2
End of week 4: 186.4
End of week 5: 187.4
End of week 6: 187.2
End of week 7: 189.4
End of week 8: 191.8
End of week 9: 192.4
End of week 10: 194.6
End of week 11: 196.0

Measured BP and got it down to 126/84.

Only one week left. Brings a tear to my eye...lol

**austinite** · 10-21-2012, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by Trying-Hard

Starting morning weight: 180.0
End of week 1: 180.6
End of week 2: 184.0
End of week 3: 187.2
End of week 4: 186.4
End of week 5: 187.4
End of week 6: 187.2
End of week 7: 189.4
End of week 8: 191.8
End of week 9: 192.4
End of week 10: 194.6
End of week 11: 196.0

Measured BP and got it down to 126/84.

Only one week left. Brings a tear to my eye...lol

haha. It's all good brother. This has been quite a journey for you and you've done very well. The information and experience you've gathered from this cycle will only benefit you in the future. Well done, TH!

**Trying-Hard** · 10-21-2012, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

haha. It's all good brother. This has been quite a journey for you and you've done very well. The information and experience you've gathered from this cycle will only benefit you in the future. Well done, TH!

Thanks a lot, bro! You have been such a great help to me along the way. I will save my shout outs until the end of my cycle next week..=)

I am getting BW done on 10/29, I will most certainly keep you and everyone else posted.

**BobTheBodyBuilder** · 10-22-2012, 10:46 PM

Amazing results thus far. If I'm not mistaken, test will stay in your body for week 12-14 so you should be able to make some decent gains in there as well. goodluck.

**SBEONE** · 10-23-2012, 02:28 AM

Really Nice man, very well proportioned upper body and legs are looking beastly!

**Trying-Hard** · 10-23-2012, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by BobTheBodyBuilder

Amazing results thus far. If I'm not mistaken, test will stay in your body for week 12-14 so you should be able to make some decent gains in there as well. goodluck.

Thanks you, Bob. Appreciate the kind words.

Originally Posted by SBEONE

Really Nice man, very well proportioned upper body and legs are looking beastly!

Thanks a lot, SBEONE. I have a very hard time training legs due to my chronic pains, but I do the best that I can.

**Trying-Hard** · 10-23-2012, 07:17 AM

So I diid chest last night and I seriously want to sit in a corner and cry to the fact that this is my last week on (not really, but you get the idea). All my gains started coming week 8 and they are really starting to shine now. I should just stay on for the 14 weeks but I already started my high dose of HCG getting ready to get off, been mentally prepared to get off at week 12 for the past week or so, etc. What to do?!?!? I am confused and feel a little hypocriticial for already stating I will be getting off at week 12.

Some chest highlights from last night....

First exercise was incline DBs. On my 5th set I was able to get 125 lbs dumbells for 6 clean reps. Then moved on to flat bench press and on my 3rd set was able to get 285 for 6 clean reps. I remember 3 weeks ago I couldn't even do 275 on flat bench for more than 6 reps even when it was my first exercise.

Finished off with some seated chest presses and then did a couple of set of tris and called it a day. Walked out of the gym thinking....I love test almost as much as my wife!

**ANIMAL** · 10-23-2012, 08:32 AM

I know exactly how you feel. I've been going back and forth to extending my cycle to 16 weeks to get a full 8 weeks "on" since test kicked in. I'm really making some awesome gains right now and I feel if I get off on week 12 or 14 that I'm cutting my gains short when I've peaked.

I think it's all a feel on your body and if you have no side effects and everything is good then you should be good to go.

But think of it like this, it's 2 weeks less that you have to wait until you can start up the next cycle. There's always next year.

You had some awesome gains and you should be proud of your results.

**Trying-Hard** · 10-23-2012, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by ANIMAL

I know exactly how you feel. I've been going back and forth to extending my cycle to 16 weeks to get a full 8 weeks "on" since test kicked in. I'm really making some awesome gains right now and I feel if I get off on week 12 or 14 that I'm cutting my gains short when I've peaked.

I think it's all a feel on your body and if you have no side effects and everything is good then you should be good to go.

But think of it like this, it's 2 weeks less that you have to wait until you can start up the next cycle. There's always next year.

You had some awesome gains and you should be proud of your results.

Thanks bro! But your last 3 sentences didn't help me..LOL

**Mr_Prop_var_Testen** · 10-23-2012, 03:00 PM

End ur cycle
Make sure u have no problems getting ur t back to acceptable levels
Learn how to keep gains and before u know it it's time for ur next one

Next one u can do test prop it kicks in full force at week 1 and week 3 to 8 will be insane vs kicking in week 8
For me test e never really kicked in my second cycle like prop did for my first
But because of that I got zero sides with test e vs tons of sides with test p!!!

**Brohim** · 10-23-2012, 03:16 PM

End it now you need to start recovery especially since you got atrophy at week 10. You will bounce back faster. Blast the HCG get those nuts working and start your SERMS. You will still have strength while the test is clearing! Good luck!

**MickeyKnox** · 10-23-2012, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Trying-Hard

Thanks a lot, bro! You have been such a great help to me along the way. I will save my shout outs until the end of my cycle next week..=)

I am getting BW done on 10/29, I will most certainly keep you and everyone else posted.

Looking forward to your blood work.

This has been an interesting journey for you. And your results are a testament to your hard work, discipline, and research. You look great bro, good job! If you do a cutting cycle, im in!

**Trying-Hard** · 10-23-2012, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Mr_Prop_var_Testen

End ur cycle
Make sure u have no problems getting ur t back to acceptable levels
Learn how to keep gains and before u know it it's time for ur next one

Next one u can do test prop it kicks in full force at week 1 and week 3 to 8 will be insane vs kicking in week 8
For me test e never really kicked in my second cycle like prop did for my first
But because of that I got zero sides with test e vs tons of sides with test p!!!

Originally Posted by Brohim

End it now you need to start recovery especially since you got atrophy at week 10. You will bounce back faster. Blast the HCG get those nuts working and start your SERMS. You will still have strength while the test is clearing! Good luck!

Thanks guys! Your recommendations were the last straw. Done at 12.

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

Looking forward to your blood work.

This has been an interesting journey for you. And your results are a testament to your hard work, discipline, and research. You look great bro, good job! If you do a cutting cycle, im in!

Thanks Mickey, much appreciated. I am still debating my next cycle in 16 weeks if I want to bulk again with Cyp / deca or lean down with Prop / Var (Yes I know, leaning down is diet dependent..=)

**Trying-Hard** · 10-24-2012, 07:41 AM

Last shot in 12 hrs...

I would like to give a HUGE thank you to Swifto, austinite, Jimmyinkedup, ANIMAL, and Capebuffalo for being patient with me via PMs and helping me out. I couldn't have done it without your help, fellas. Thank you!

I would also like to thank all the members that contributed to this thread and helped me with various questions and issued their wisdom. Thank you!

Saying that I have learned a lot about AAS and about myself and the way my body responds to it is an understatement. It was a bumpy ride, and one I would do over and over again if given the choice. My goal was to reach 195.0 morning weight while maintaining BF, and I think I have achieved that goal, or came very close to it. Today's morning weight was was 196.4 lbs.

I will most certainly keep this thread alive and updated, with the first update to come after I get my BW results to see where my E2 levels are after being on the Adex protocol. I will also keep on updating my weight and strength throughout PCT.

If I can be at 190 lbs. morning weight the day before my next cycle, I'll be a happy juicer..=)

THANK YOU!

**ANIMAL** · 10-24-2012, 12:00 PM

Awesome stuff man!! Happy to take the journey with ya! Look forward to what the future holds.

**Trying-Hard** · 10-24-2012, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by ANIMAL

Awesome stuff man!! Happy to take the journey with ya! Look forward to what the future holds.

Thanks brother! Best of luck with your cycle. Who knows, maybe the next ones we do can start at a similar time frame once again..=)

**Buster Brown** · 10-26-2012, 03:27 PM

Good for you bro, nice job. The next one will be here before you know it!

**austinite** · 10-26-2012, 03:33 PM

Great job TH. We're all proud of you!

**Trying-Hard** · 10-26-2012, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Buster Brown

Good for you bro, nice job. The next one will be here before you know it!

Thanks man. I can't wait. I think I am a 'juice head' now..lol

Originally Posted by austinite

Great job TH. We're all proud of you!

You da man, austinite. Thanks for everything and thank for the kind words!

**Trying-Hard** · 10-27-2012, 04:21 PM

Decided to to chest and shoulders today and not just shoulders. I feel my chest is a little weak aesthetically and I am thinking about hitting it 2x/wk, along with legs.

Anyway, new best today. 315 on flat bench for 4 clean reps, a little help on the 5th rep. Pretty stoked about that.

will report weight tomorrow morning, end of week 12.

**Trying-Hard** · 10-28-2012, 08:25 PM

Well, I didn't weigh myself this morning but I did weigh myself just a few seconds ago and I weighed in at 200.6 lbs with no cloths on. This is the most I have weighed at night. Pretty exciting.

EDIT: I have decided to take my pics down. I am just not fond of having pics of me on the net but I did it initially to share the progress with you guys. =)

**Buster Brown** · 10-29-2012, 08:56 AM

I only noticed an initial 2 lb. drop during the first week of Pct (I actually had a hard time on-cycle trying to make those 2 lbs. stick). After that I maintained my weight and began to try and drop some of the bad weight six weeks after Pct. I'm sure you will be able to get to your target weight.

**Trying-Hard** · 10-30-2012, 09:04 AM

Thanks buster. I am working on upping my cals now to nourish the newly added body weight. Looks like now my maintenance calorie intake is 3,000, and right now I am eating 3,800-4,000 calories per day. Hopefully an 800+ calorie surplus along with 10g of creatine/day will help me keep as much of the new gains as possible.

**Trying-Hard** · 10-31-2012, 07:28 AM

So yesterday I took another HCG shot and found something interesting...

As some of you may know, I have been complaining about HCG burning when injected. Every single injection, reagrdless of SQ pinning spot, stings for about 7-8 secs after injecting. Yesterday I tried a different brand of HCG and it did not burn even the slightest bit!

Soooo...I won't be going back to the original HCG I was using anytime soon. If anyone is interested, I'll take pics of both HCG bottles (original one and new one I pinned yesterday) to show you.

**Trying-Hard** · 11-03-2012, 06:52 AM

Starting morning weight: 180.0
End of week 1: 180.6
End of week 2: 184.0
End of week 3: 187.2
End of week 4: 186.4
End of week 5: 187.4
End of week 6: 187.2
End of week 7: 189.4
End of week 8: 191.8
End of week 9: 192.4
End of week 10: 194.6
End of week 11: 196.0
End of week 12: 196.6 End of cycle
End of week 13: 198.0

So far, so good. I am eating a lot...about 800 calories surplus and trying to keep it up until next cycle.

**austinite** · 11-03-2012, 06:55 AM

You gained at a slower rate than the typical user, this translates to much more quality gains; you should be able to retain most of that if not all. Fast gainers would have probably gained at or higher than 20 and ended up with 8 lbs if they're lucky.

Once again, good work.

**MickeyKnox** · 11-03-2012, 10:51 AM

Congratulations TH! You did an amazing job!

And i agree with Aust, your new muscle is likely denser and better quality than most new users could achieve. You'll likely hang on to all of it post cycle if you re-adjust your TDEE for you're new muscle.

Once again, bravo!

**Trying-Hard** · 11-03-2012, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

You gained at a slower rate than the typical user, this translates to much more quality gains; you should be able to retain most of that if not all. Fast gainers would have probably gained at or higher than 20 and ended up with 8 lbs if they're lucky.

Once again, good work.

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

Congratulations TH! You did an amazing job!

And i agree with Aust, your new muscle is likely denser and better quality than most new users could achieve. You'll likely hang on to all of it post cycle if you re-adjust your TDEE for you're new muscle.

Once again, bravo!

Thanks a lot, fellas. Really appreciate the words of encouragement.

**Trying-Hard** · 11-07-2012, 06:08 PM

Started PCT today. It will look like this (if I have enough pills for 6 weeks. If not, I'll do 5 weeks)

Clomd: 100/50/50/50/50/50
Nolva: 40/20/20/20/20/20

Also, I am starting to gain a lot of unwanted body fat. I weighed in at 199.0 this morning and it is all in my gut, lol. So I cut my calories down to 3500 (from 3900). At 3500 I am still 500 calories surplus. I will monitor my weight from here and see how it goes.

**Trying-Hard** · 11-08-2012, 09:24 AM

Trianed chest last night and was able to get 315 on bench for 5 clean reps, needed help on the 6th one. By far the strongest I have been, but hell my little wrists and shoulder joints are hurting me this morning. I may back off the 315 and stick with repping 275 next time.

Day 2 PCT
Weighed in this morning at 200.0 lbs!! Not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing.

**Trying-Hard** · 11-10-2012, 02:56 PM

Official weigh in...

Starting morning weight: 180.0
End of week 1: 180.6
End of week 2: 184.0
End of week 3: 187.2
End of week 4: 186.4
End of week 5: 187.4
End of week 6: 187.2
End of week 7: 189.4
End of week 8: 191.8
End of week 9: 192.4
End of week 10: 194.6
End of week 11: 196.0
End of week 12: 196.6 End of cycle
End of week 13: 198.0
End of week 14: 198.4

Today is day 4 of PCT and so far, so good.