Help me with my frist cycle

[Ryan1998]

Hello !
My name is Ryan, I am 18 years old , 6'5'' , 210lbs and I've been training in the gym for 2 years and almost 2 months for 14 to 15 hours per week.
Recently, one of my frinds from the gym suggested to me that I should start taking AAS because I am trainig hard and the result are not as fast as I expect. Afetr taht I began to study more about AAS. I have read eevrything from this forum and siteand I am aware of teh fact that I am too young to start a cycle right now and I know the possible effects that can occur using these drugs but I really want to take my training to the next level so I won't change my mind about it.
From what I have read I made my own cycle with dosages and substances and I want your opinion about it and what I should change or improve about it.
My cycle looks like that
I want your opinion about it because: -I really don't know if it is ok to stack 4 different types of AAS
- I don't know if I can take liv52 or any other hepato-protectors when I take dianabol because I have heard that if I take them, they will reduce significantly the effect of dianabol.
- Can I change the propioante with testosteron suspension because it is more efficient but some say that it hurts like hell when it is injected
- Sholud I take armidex or any other AI during the whole 12 weeks or only when I take dianabol

I have to say that my diet is very well planed. Everyday I have 6 meals which consist of :
First meal(7:00):- 1liter of milk , 5 egg whites and 150g of oatmeal
Second meal(10:00-11:00): 1and 1/2 cum of rice with a stake and broccoli
Third meal(13:00-14:00): same as the second meal
Forth(17:30-18:00):Pasta with chicken chest
Fifth(20:00):300g of fish(tuna/cod or mackerel) with broccoli
Sixth(22:00):Pasta or rice with chicken again
As supplemets I take : 100%beef aminos from Universal , creatine monohydrated from ON and gold whey standard from ON
As training schedule:Monday - chest with triceps - 3hours of training - 5 exercices for chest and 3 for triceps(only cables)
Tuesday - legs(only quads and calves) - 3 hours of training - squads , legs press , lunges , extensions and hecksquad fro quads and as for calves only 2 machines
Wednesday - back and biceps -2 hours and a half of training - 5 exercices for back and 3 for biceps(only cables)
Thursday - Shoulders and superior traps -2 hours and a half of training - 4 exercices for shoulders and 8 series of shrugs
Friday - arms - 2 hours of training - 3 exercices fro biceps and 3 for triceps simultaneously
Saturday - legs(hamstrings, calves, adductors and abductors) -2 hours of training - 3 exercices for hamstrings and calves and only one for adductors and abductors.
As fof abs and obliques, I train them between sets 3 days per week
This is my training and diet rutine. Please let me know what I can change about my AAS cycle.

[Mr.BB]

That cycle is completely stupid for a first timer, even more for 18 year old.

Do you know this will completely change your life? Shutting down your natural testosterone at 18 years old, when hormones are still maturing and at very high level, will confuse your hormonal system completely. Your testosterone will never be as high as it was pre-cycle.

Read this: The young and Steroids

And this: ***Cycles going wrong for the young***

Also watch this: Seth Feroci Video

BTW, your training requires a lot of tweaking, you are nowhere near your natty potential.

[GAINZ4DAYZ]

listen to BB and don't be stupid. I'm not trying to be an ass, but you are going to mess your body up for the rest of your life. My younger brother wanted to start when he was 20 and I had to sit him down and show him the facts~its just stupid until your body has completely developed...not to mention your first steroid cycle should be test only. You have to learn how your body reacts to the test and then add compounds in later cycles. If you run more than one compound how are you to know what is messing with your body/giving you sides? Do yourself a HUGE favor kid and take time to read and learn. This is a perfect place for a young person to learn about everything and the later in life (25 IMO) if you still want to start a cycle go for it, but be informed first! Here is a few more links I would suggest.

EDUCATIONAL THREADS

WORKOUT AND TRAINING

DIET AND NUTRITION

Hope you don't go forward with the cycle and I hope some of the literature on this forum helps you understand the importance of waiting until your body has matured. Take care, kid.

[Ryan1998]

That cycle is completely stupid for a first timer, even more for 18 year old.

Do you know this will completely change your life? Shutting down your natural testosterone at 18 years old, when hormones are still maturing and at very high level, will confuse your hormonal system completely. Your testosterone will never be as high as it was pre-cycle.

Read this:

And this:

Also watch this:

BTW, your training requires a lot of tweaking, you are nowhere near your natty potential.

I've read those two articles before making my cycle and i really knwo what is going to ahppen in my body, I even asked two biochemists teachers from my university about the processes that are going to happen when I take those substances. I know that my testoseteron level won't be the same after that cycle but bodybuilding means everything for me so I won't give up from taking an AAS cycle.
As for my training it is very good, it was made by Florin Uceanu(just search him on google), a trainer and former balcanic champion in bodybuilding from my local gym who wanted to train me after seeing my ambition and devotion in the gym.I am training until my blood pops up from my nose(it happens quite often).
Also, that friend taht I talked about had taken AAS from 16 years old from the first day of training in the gym and now, after 4 years he looks like that
I know a lot of pepole who are on cycles from 18 years old and now they are competing in high levels: Andrei Deiu and Chris Bumstead...Even if I don;t take this cycle now I will take taht later,it's just delaying the innevitable.i know it is not reccomanded to take AAS before 25 year old, but I made a clear thinking of the fact that if it worths taking them or not.
The only thing that I want is an answer to those questions because as i said above I won't change my mind about taking AAS

[Ryan1998]

I knwo that it is advvised to start with test only but anyway I will take tren and eq so I don't see the point why I should start with only test if I take tren and eq after a period of time.I did my bloodwork and my body is "ready" for the cycle with the exception of endocryn system which is not fully developed. This is life, you either go the hard way and take the result and teh sacrifices or you can take it easy and never get the real results.
At first I didn;t want to add dianabol to that cycle beacuse I really don't know if it is ok to stack 4 types of AAS but I can remove it....I wanted to use it just to quickstart my cycle...I accept any advice about gahngin the dose or remove one substance but I won't give up taking a cycle

[GAINZ4DAYZ]

If you're so hell bent on taking them, I would at least start with just test for the first cycle.

Here is a perfect beginner cycle layout:

- Week 1 to 12: Testosterone enanthate @ 250 mg every 3.5 days (500mg/week total)
- Week 1 to 12: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
- Week 1 to 14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts)

After your last testosterone injection, you'll need to wait 14 days to start PCT. This allows just enough time for the enanthate ester to clear your system so that you can start therapy. Remember to continue taking your AI during those 2 weeks. You can also choose to use Aromasin , the recommended dose is 25mg daily. Click here to read jimmyinkedup's thread about Aromasin dosage. As for Letrozole , I would avoid using it because its very difficult to manage.

Post Cycle Therapy should consist of both Tamoxifen (Nolvadex ) and Clomiphene (Clomid). The combination is important as they work in synergy to help you recover. Running only one of them will hinder your chance of recovery some. Your PCT protocol for this cycle should look like the following:

Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 & Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20

Each number above is representative of the daily dose for that week; for a 4 week total PCT run. So clomid would be taken at 75 mg daily for 1 week, then 3 weeks at 50mg daily. And Nolvadex would be 40 mg daily for 1 week, then 20 mg daily for the last 3 weeks. Make sense?

If you chose to go with a short ester such as Testosterone Propionate , you'll need to inject at a minimum of every other day. I good starting dose is 100 to 150 every other day, or 50 to 75 daily. Short ester cycle should last 8 weeks. hCG and AI dose remains the same as outlined above. PCT however, starts 3 days after your last injection of testosterone.

PCT start times:


Testosterone Enanthate = 14 days after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate = 18 day after last injection
Testosterone Propionate = 3 days after last injection

Finally, I recommend that you protect your liver. Yes, even on injectable cycles. For that I recommend 600 mg of N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) daily.



My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

[Back In Black]

Why are you here for advice if you don't want to hear it? Maybe add some anadrol to start and Winstrol at the end of your cycle? Are you sure the dosages are enough and you shouldn't up them?

Only 15hours training a week? Man, you are putting my less than 4 hours of lifting a week to shame.

Get serious, if you were happy with your cycle advice and training then you wouldn't be here.

Do us a favour, post a current pic of your physique please.

[GAINZ4DAYZ]

agreed~ pic

[Ryan1998]

Thank you for your advice! I will take it a bit easier and I won's atrt with those AAS .Probably I will take test suspension because it is the most powerful of them(I know it hurts when it is injected) but i wonly wonder about one thing. Why it is not reccomanded to start with such a cycle as I posted(let's say without dianabol and with lower doses) because for me, I will turn to tren and eq after a while so it is like delaying something that will happen no matter what.Just to see how my body responds to those is not quite a good reason because I am willing to take all its effects, being those good or bad. Probably I won't take anoter cycle after that because of the lack of money and also beacuse of the fact that I will have the body I want for the minimum level and afte that I will continue just with supplement until 21 or 22(it depends a lot on my future....I want to go to the police academy(quite ironic) and if I am admitted i won't take them for at least 4 years while I will be hosted in the campus, if I am notadmitted to that probably I will strat taking AAS again and start a career in bodybuilding industry)

[Back In Black]

If you can't afford the AAS then you can't afford the food.

Please post a pic, let's see where you are at.

[Mr.BB]

1. About not caring for messing you hormones: You shouldn't speak like this. You don't know how you are going to handle hormonal changes, some can cope well with the effects, some just cant function with what it comes from steroids and hormonal changes.
With this attitude you will be in TRT the moment you stop cruising. Dont think TRT its something like taking a pill, or injecting some oil and thats done. There are side effects to consider and, of course cost. Dialing TRT can be difficult, some need cialis or viagra just for normal sex with their wifes, plus a number health issues that need to be controlled. If you don't have a steady source of income TRT can become impossible.

2. About taking tren , eq, etc etc for 1st cycle. The 1st cycle is when you grow the most as your body not used to supraphysiological hormone influx. Taking more juice, or more potent juice will not alter the end result. After about 12 weeks you wont see any further gains, and need to let the body rest so it is ready to grow some more.
If any of the compounds gives you problems you will not know where its coming from, as you dont have any experience. We are all different, dont rely on your bros guessing, its your health your body, ffs.
Test is base of all cycles, so you need to start with test only, which if your diet and training are correct can make you grow 20lbs easy, but dont think you will look big from this one cycle. You will need to add 1 compound for each cycle to know how you react to the different compounds and grow with what works for you.

3. About training for 15 hours a week. I can tell you that you dont have the intensity needed to build muscle if it takes you 3 hours to do 8 exercises. Sure, you will grow some in the beginning (newbie gainz) but when it starts to get harder you will fail.
After 45 minutes of exercise cortisol starts to rise increasing catabolism exponentially. 3 hours? How many of those to spend browsing in your phone?

4. Carrer in bodybuilding: unfortunately if are not genetically blessed you wont succeed, might be better to consider your potential before risking your testicles on it. Can you show a pic for us to see if you have this potential?

[Ryan1998]

As a reply to everyone: -for Back in Black : 1.Don't get me wrong bro, I really appreciate your advice but the onyl thing that I don;t apply is your advice for giving up cycling,that's it...I will change my firsy cycle so i will take only test suspension for probably 12 weeks 100mg eod with the same PCT and hcg usage in te cycle that I posted before.
2. i ahve money for buying AAS and I can affort food but I said taht because it is easier to explain that my father aske me what I do with my money everyday and he can notice that some money are spent on smth else and he can figure out that I am taking smth strong.
- For BB and gainz : thanks for your advice....now I can understand better why it is not reccomended to take such hard AAS as the first cycle .
Let me describe thoroughly my training in order to see exacly what I do because it seems like a misunderstanding here.
I wasn't feeling like writting so much about my training and I summerized it in the frist post> This is how my training looks like:
Monday-chest, triceps and a bit for calves and abs-First exercice(4 super sets-30degrees bench incline)dumbells 35kg-10reps than immediately change with 20kg dumbells for another 10 reps.After that I go to calves press 10 reps with 50kg than to crunches without rest.
second exercice-incline bench 30 degrees- 4 super sets: 100kg-8 reps than change to 70kg-8reps and again with calves machine and abs between sets
third:flat bench dumbells or bar4supersets)90kg for 8 reps than change to 70 till failure..again with calves and abs betwwen sets
forth:cables flyes(4 sets)-30 reps/set
Triceps: rope-4 sets
cable push downs-4 sets
diamound push-ups-4 sets(all exercices fro triceps 30 reps/set)
Tuesday: back and biceps and brachiradial:Pull ups with 20kg added-4 sets-8 reps
than I do an exercice called"ramat" in my language with the bar betwwen my feet-4 super sets-100kg-8 reps than decreas the wight for 2 times with 20 kg each time
dumbell pulls woth 50kg dumbell-6 reps fro 4 sets and this exercice I combine with cabel pull-overs
as for biceps and brachiradial I do only cables-biceps curls with revere grip
I think ou figgured out what my training looks like(i don't feel like writting so much)
AS A MATTER OF FACT I DON'T USE MY PHONE FOR ONE SECOND DURIN MY TRAINING SESSION AND I DON'T GO TO THE GYM IN ORDER TO AMKE FRIENDS SO I SPEACK WITH NONE(I DON'T WASTE TIME).MY REST BETWEEN SETS IS 30TO45 SECONDS.
I train my abs and calves 3 times per week
Here you ave soem pics with me right now before training and one with me 2 years ago when I didn;t go to the gym(now I am 17 but I told you I am 18 because I want to take my cycle in july next year and than I will be training for 2.5 years and I will be 18-I kept the same bodyweight and height):

[Couchlock]

As a reply to everyone: -for Back in Black : 1.Don't get me wrong bro, I really appreciate your advice but the onyl thing that I don;t apply is your advice for giving up cycling,that's it...I will change my firsy cycle so i will take only test suspension for probably 12 weeks 100mg eod with the same PCT and hcg usage in te cycle that I posted before.
2. i ahve money for buying AAS and I can affort food but I said taht because it is easier to explain that my father aske me what I do with my money everyday and he can notice that some money are spent on smth else and he can figure out that I am taking smth strong.
- For BB and gainz : thanks for your advice....now I can understand better why it is not reccomended to take such hard AAS as the first cycle .
Let me describe thoroughly my training in order to see exacly what I do because it seems like a misunderstanding here.
I wasn't feeling like writting so much about my training and I summerized it in the frist post> This is how my training looks like:
Monday-chest, triceps and a bit for calves and abs-First exercice(4 super sets-30degrees bench incline)dumbells 35kg-10reps than immediately change with 20kg dumbells for another 10 reps.After that I go to calves press 10 reps with 50kg than to crunches without rest.
second exercice-incline bench 30 degrees- 4 super sets: 100kg-8 reps than change to 70kg-8reps and again with calves machine and abs between sets
third:flat bench dumbells or bar4supersets)90kg for 8 reps than change to 70 till failure..again with calves and abs betwwen sets
forth:cables flyes(4 sets)-30 reps/set
Triceps: rope-4 sets
cable push downs-4 sets
diamound push-ups-4 sets(all exercices fro triceps 30 reps/set)
Tuesday: back and biceps and brachiradial:Pull ups with 20kg added-4 sets-8 reps
than I do an exercice called"ramat" in my language with the bar betwwen my feet-4 super sets-100kg-8 reps than decreas the wight for 2 times with 20 kg each time
dumbell pulls woth 50kg dumbell-6 reps fro 4 sets and this exercice I combine with cabel pull-overs
as for biceps and brachiradial I do only cables-biceps curls with revere grip
I think ou figgured out what my training looks like(i don't feel like writting so much)
AS A MATTER OF FACT I DON'T USE MY PHONE FOR ONE SECOND DURIN MY TRAINING SESSION AND I DON'T GO TO THE GYM IN ORDER TO AMKE FRIENDS SO I SPEACK WITH NONE(I DON'T WASTE TIME).MY REST BETWEEN SETS IS 30TO45 SECONDS.
I train my abs and calves 3 times per week
Here you ave soem pics with me right now before training and one with me 2 years ago when I didn;t go to the gym(now I am 17 but I told you I am 18 because I want to take my cycle in july next year and than I will be training for 2.5 years and I will be 18-I kept the same bodyweight and height):<img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=166538"/><img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=166539"/><img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=166540"/>

Test suspension eod pinning.

First cycle, heh heh. That shit burns, and 3 to 4 times a week.

WHY NOT use cypionate , enanthate , or sustanon blend?.

With sus, you get 3, 5, 9, and 15 day esters all in one pin.

[Ryan1998]

Test suspension eod pinning.

First cycle, heh heh. That shit burns, and 3 to 4 times a week.

WHY NOT use cypionate , enanthate , or sustanon blend?.

With sus, you get 3, 5, 9, and 15 day esters all in one pin.

Yeah, it is true but suspension is the most powerful kind of testosteron and it also has a very low detection time which really helps me because as I said before I want to go to police academy and there I have to take a blood and drug tests and I will have ended my cycle with only two weeks before the admission contest.
By the way, what the usage of test suspension can change in the blood test?...I have an exaple of a blood test from one of my freinds who was admitted to the academy and I would like to know if it changes smth

[Ryan1998]

I have taken all of your advice and now I made a new cycle as you indicated me and my fist cycle will look like this:
For this cycle, is it recommanede to take 12 weeks test suspension or should I just take 6 and than change it with propionat?
Should I take an AI while using this cycle or only when side effects appear?

I also made another cycle for later use.It looks like that:
After how many cycles will I be able to take this one??....I would like it to be the second but if you suggest to delay it, what should I do for my second cycle: increase the doseage and take only test or to stick to the same dosage and to add another "mild" compund to it?

[Couchlock]

Yeah, it is true but suspension is the most powerful kind of testosteron and it also has a very low detection time which really helps me because as I said before I want to go to police academy and there I have to take a blood and drug tests and I will have ended my cycle with only two weeks before the admission contest.
By the way, what the usage of test suspension can change in the blood test?...I have an exaple of a blood test from one of my freinds who was admitted to the academy and I would like to know if it changes smth<img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=166552"/><img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=166553"/>

So going to hide illegal drug use and be a cop.

Nice.

Fwiw, I hate police officers, well at least 95% of them.

So we got some one who is going to throw their hormones out of whack, at a young age, possibly permanently causing need for trt, and going to be given a gun and authority over society. = GOD COMPLEX.

Smh. This is the case with most cops these days. Roid fueled rage and a gun short tempered think they are always in the right, ruining people's lives