Michael Vick plead guilty...

[Logan13]

There's a difference with killing something to eat rather than killing something for the Hell of it.

Personally I think you don't like the dogs from a personal experience of you're just a slave to Fox, but to think Pitbulls sole existence is to eat babies is the biggest load of shit ive heard.

You seem to be suffering from some sort of pyschosis.

He is totally anti-Fox. (i.e. He plays for your team)

[ftony]

You people keep saying how 'stupid' my comments are, but not once do you back up what your saying with anything of substance, just saying it's 'dumb'

these fking useless vicious animals have a clear tendency to escape and hunt down unsuspecting creatures and maim them, you can't stop them from escaping, I just saw something on cnn where they covered a poor woman in blood from head to toe, ptbuls are like no other dog or housepet in their tendency to kil and attackl, i see that picture usanimalprotection-so the f what, let then damn thing finish the fight and it'll die happy, it doesn't understand death and the existence of life it's just a stupid animal, it's put on this earth to kill whatever it sees..jerseyboy puts up some pictures-o sure vthey might be nice to you because you feed them everyday but they get out and at least shred a few kittens or maybe take a kids arm off.

and no one mentioned if they're gonna stop eating pork? so are you? I guess your gonna say all those pigs get to die in a humane way, again trying to get into the head of an animal, your the idiots and anyone with common sense can see that, people who keep pitbulls as pets are f idiots, they could have any god damn breed of dog they want they have to have this one, it's good enough for them that it probably won't escape and mutilate someone as she sleeps in hjer bed, yea it's worthn it so these selfish bastards can have this damn thing as a pet and they don't go to jail everytime their animal kills / maims someone or something, but this guy goes to jail because he's "cruel" to a ****ing human preditor!

Ok, a properly bred (APBT) to breed standards are not (HUMAN AGGRESSIVE) Period....They do have a high prey drive and are dangerous in the wrong hands to other animals if not properly socialized from a young age and are not for the average dog enthusiast,nevermind some ghetto piece of drug dealing shit,I will agree.But they are not the monster you think they are that you concluded from media based information.The media will only cover a pitbull bite,They only cover shit that people want to hear and what sells.Whens the last time you have heard of a German Sheppard or rottie attack.And don't say that because there are none ,go do a Google search and you will see a number of dogs with more bites per year than APBT.My guess is you do not even know what breeds fall under the category of a pitbull.Did you know there is more than 1 or 2 or even 3,I doubt you knew this.You seem to be some type of paranoid Schizophrenic using extreme rare circumstances, you throw around as if they where common ocurrences.This displays your biased and schizophrenic analogy.One last point. I own APBT because it is the most loyal courageous obedient dog ,unparalleled by any other breed of dog on the planet... My dangerous monster plays with my neighbors puppy's,sleeps next to a pallet in my yard that had kittens in them,he wouldn't leave them.Ya he's a cold blooded killer for sure...I Will admit he is a great protector and I don't mind that.He is a very good judge of character..Could you imagine a cold blooded murderous monster displaying such fine quality's... If you listen to the media to conclude or base an opinion on any topic or subject...lol Your fuked

[jerseyboy]

You people keep saying how 'stupid' my comments are, but not once do you back up what your saying with anything of substance, just saying it's 'dumb'

these fking useless vicious animals have a clear tendency to escape and hunt down unsuspecting creatures and maim them, you can't stop them from escaping, I just saw something on cnn where they covered a poor woman in blood from head to toe, ptbuls are like no other dog or housepet in their tendency to kil and attackl, i see that picture usanimalprotection-so the f what, let then damn thing finish the fight and it'll die happy, it doesn't understand death and the existence of life it's just a stupid animal, it's put on this earth to kill whatever it sees..jerseyboy puts up some pictures-o sure vthey might be nice to you because you feed them everyday but they get out and at least shred a few kittens or maybe take a kids arm off.

and no one mentioned if they're gonna stop eating pork? so are you? I guess your gonna say all those pigs get to die in a humane way, again trying to get into the head of an animal, your the idiots and anyone with common sense can see that, people who keep pitbulls as pets are f idiots, they could have any god damn breed of dog they want they have to have this one, it's good enough for them that it probably won't escape and mutilate someone as she sleeps in hjer bed, yea it's worthn it so these selfish bastards can have this damn thing as a pet and they don't go to jail everytime their animal kills / maims someone or something, but this guy goes to jail because he's "cruel" to a ****ing human preditor!

Human predator. Lol!! That's priceless. Again, idiot. Oh yeah and I don't eat pork, veal or red meat. Sorry about the fish. It's to the point now where there is no reason to even respond to you.

[Chitown Raider]

You people keep saying how 'stupid' my comments are, but not once do you back up what your saying with anything of substance, just saying it's 'dumb'

these fking useless vicious animals have a clear tendency to escape and hunt down unsuspecting creatures and maim them, you can't stop them from escaping, I just saw something on cnn where they covered a poor woman in blood from head to toe, ptbuls are like no other dog or housepet in their tendency to kil and attackl, i see that picture usanimalprotection-so the f what, let then damn thing finish the fight and it'll die happy, it doesn't understand death and the existence of life it's just a stupid animal, it's put on this earth to kill whatever it sees..jerseyboy puts up some pictures-o sure vthey might be nice to you because you feed them everyday but they get out and at least shred a few kittens or maybe take a kids arm off.

and no one mentioned if they're gonna stop eating pork? so are you? I guess your gonna say all those pigs get to die in a humane way, again trying to get into the head of an animal, your the idiots and anyone with common sense can see that, people who keep pitbulls as pets are f idiots, they could have any god damn breed of dog they want they have to have this one, it's good enough for them that it probably won't escape and mutilate someone as she sleeps in hjer bed, yea it's worthn it so these selfish bastards can have this damn thing as a pet and they don't go to jail everytime their animal kills / maims someone or something, but this guy goes to jail because he's "cruel" to a ****ing human preditor!

Now I've heard it all

[jon77]

these fking useless vicious animals have a clear tendency to escape and hunt down unsuspecting creatures and maim them, you can't stop them!

A good opening line for Discovery Channel "Africa's Prey, BEWARE!"

[eliteforce]

It's not the hell of it, it's to watch for sport and bet on..you don't have to eat pork, you could eat fish or chicken or no animals at all because killing animals is 'cruel' ..it's not like it's tribal times and you kill game or you'll starve, you have options.

This notion that pit-bulls get a bad rep in the media is non-sense, those pit bulls escaped from their pen, broke into a house and vicously attackes a woman while she slept in her bed-cnn did not make this up..other dogs bite too but only a pitbull will do insane things like that..it's just like a tiger or a lion, it's an unpredictable preditor not a pet.

Probably a good use for a pit bull is too keep rabits in check in a crop field as long as it's fenced in and rural, maybe pitbull fighting isn't great but these animals are livestock to be exploited, not playful pets. and this is no endangered specie-it's a bread one. There isn't that much pitbull fighting going on so I see no reason for the govt to enforce dog-fighting laws and I can't believe a man goes to jail for this!
we should be aloowed to do what we want with our livestock on our own land. So what if an nfl milionare had a few dogfights with his friends?

[Kratos]

It's not the hell of it, it's to watch for sport and bet on..you don't have to eat pork, you could eat fish or chicken or no animals at all because killing animals is 'cruel' ..it's not like it's tribal times and you kill game or you'll starve, you have options.

This notion that pit-bulls get a bad rep in the media is non-sense, those pit bulls escaped from their pen, broke into a house and vicously attackes a woman while she slept in her bed-cnn did not make this up..other dogs bite too but only a pitbull will do insane things like that..it's just like a tiger or a lion, it's an unpredictable preditor not a pet.

Probably a good use for a pit bull is too keep rabits in check in a crop field as long as it's fenced in and rural, maybe pitbull fighting isn't great but these animals are livestock to be exploited, not playful pets. and this is no endangered specie-it's a bread one. There isn't that much pitbull fighting going on so I see no reason for the govt to enforce dog-fighting laws and I can't believe a man goes to jail for this!
we should be aloowed to do what we want with our livestock on our own land. So what if an nfl milionare had a few dogfights with his friends?

Yeah, pit-bulls are slightly f-ed in the head from being bread to fight. The thing is so are Chows, Bull dogs, American bull dogs, boxers, chinese wrinkle dogs, huskies, samoyds, and german shepards. So what say you destroy them all. I think when you get down to it the aggressive pits are the ones who have been abused, neglected or trained to fight. I have known many nice well manored pit bulls. I have a friend with a rescued abused chow, and the thing bites everybody, it even got me twice. There are no bad breeds imo just bad owners, and some dogs come with a greater responsibility on the owner to properly bring up and train the dog. I have a dalmatian and they are known for being aggressive and I have raised it to be the worlds friendliest dog.

[Chitown Raider]

Yeah, pit-bulls are slightly f-ed in the head from being bread to fight. The thing is so are Chows, Bull dogs, American bull dogs, boxers, chinese wrinkle dogs, huskies, samoyds, and german shepards. So what say you destroy them all. I think when you get down to it the aggressive pits are the ones who have been abused, neglected or trained to fight. I have known many nice well manored pit bulls. I have a friend with a rescued abused chow, and the thing bites everybody, it even got me twice. There are no bad breeds imo just bad owners, and some dogs come with a greater responsibility on the owner to properly bring up and train the dog. I have a dalmatian and they are known for being aggressive and I have raised it to be the worlds friendliest dog.

It boils down to the idiot that ruins the dog.

[Chitown Raider]

It's not the hell of it, it's to watch for sport and bet on..you don't have to eat pork, you could eat fish or chicken or no animals at all because killing animals is 'cruel' ..it's not like it's tribal times and you kill game or you'll starve, you have options.

This notion that pit-bulls get a bad rep in the media is non-sense, those pit bulls escaped from their pen, broke into a house and vicously attackes a woman while she slept in her bed-cnn did not make this up..other dogs bite too but only a pitbull will do insane things like that..it's just like a tiger or a lion, it's an unpredictable preditor not a pet.

Probably a good use for a pit bull is too keep rabits in check in a crop field as long as it's fenced in and rural, maybe pitbull fighting isn't great but these animals are livestock to be exploited, not playful pets. and this is no endangered specie-it's a bread one. There isn't that much pitbull fighting going on so I see no reason for the govt to enforce dog-fighting laws and I can't believe a man goes to jail for this!
we should be aloowed to do what we want with our livestock on our own land. So what if an nfl milionare had a few dogfights with his friends?

First off dogfighting IS NOT A SPORT!!!! Those that believe that are clearly cavemen. A sport is something where I watch for entertainment purposes with friends and family for example the NFL or MLB. I don't go out to see a sporting event where a animal gets it's ear ripped off or face mangled. When the last time a QB or Starting pitcher got shot on site cause they failed to perform properly in a game, give me a break!

[eliteforce]

I didn't say destroy any of them, I just said there's nothing wrong with using pit-buls for fighting, you breed them, you butcher them (just like pigs), you hunt deer and other animals, it's all the same sht, their just animals./.

The rest of what you said is not true, there is clearly a difference between pit-buls and every other breed of dog, owning a pitbul is more like having a lyon or a wolf, and worse-they are even more vicous and unpredictable-people who have tigers often play around with them on the grass-it doesn't mean wild animals are safe; only those are wild animals from nature and a pitbul is bread-which makes it just livestock..do what you want with fking livestock, i guess it's not pleasant when a deer gets shot and slowly dies of it's wounds-boohoo- i guess those people should be jailed too.

Yeah, pit-bulls are slightly f-ed in the head from being bread to fight. The thing is so are Chows, Bull dogs, American bull dogs, boxers, chinese wrinkle dogs, huskies, samoyds, and german shepards. So what say you destroy them all. I think when you get down to it the aggressive pits are the ones who have been abused, neglected or trained to fight. I have known many nice well manored pit bulls. I have a friend with a rescued abused chow, and the thing bites everybody, it even got me twice. There are no bad breeds imo just bad owners, and some dogs come with a greater responsibility on the owner to properly bring up and train the dog. I have a dalmatian and they are known for being aggressive and I have raised it to be the worlds friendliest dog.

[ftony]

I didn't say destroy any of them, I just said there's nothing wrong with using pit-buls for fighting, you breed them, you butcher them (just like pigs), you hunt deer and other animals, it's all the same sht, their just animals./.

The rest of what you said is not true, there is clearly a difference between pit-buls and every other breed of dog, owning a pitbul is more like having a lyon or a wolf, and worse-they are even more vicous and unpredictable-people who have tigers often play around with them on the grass-it doesn't mean wild animals are safe; only those are wild animals from nature and a pitbul is bread-which makes it just livestock..do what you want with fking livestock, i guess it's not pleasant when a deer gets shot and slowly dies of it's wounds-boohoo- i guess those people should be jailed too.

Owning children can be dangerous as well,after all do i have to send you murder statistics here in the US...Yes,I think you will find an alarming number of humans killing humans.Take your head out of your ass.Those french fries you ate only need to be tasted once..

[Kratos]

I didn't say destroy any of them, I just said there's nothing wrong with using pit-buls for fighting, you breed them, you butcher them (just like pigs), you hunt deer and other animals, it's all the same sht, their just animals./.

The rest of what you said is not true, there is clearly a difference between pit-buls and every other breed of dog, owning a pitbul is more like having a lyon or a wolf, and worse-they are even more vicous and unpredictable-people who have tigers often play around with them on the grass-it doesn't mean wild animals are safe; only those are wild animals from nature and a pitbul is bread-which makes it just livestock..do what you want with fking livestock, i guess it's not pleasant when a deer gets shot and slowly dies of it's wounds-boohoo- i guess those people should be jailed too.

A pit comparable to a lion or wolf, or playing with a tiger in the grass. How many times do I have to tell you when you get those good drugs you need to share them with us. I have a friend who lost a chunk of his ass to a pit while taking a run through a bad neighborhood and ruined his senior year of college track. People in the ghetto think it is cool to have these types of dogs and train them to fight, or just mistreat them. My sisters bull dog that was trained as a fighting dog was rescued from a drug dealers apt, not behind two layers of fence like you think. Dog fighting is part of the reason you see attacks from these breads. I see your point of view, but in my mind dogs arn't livestock, they are companions. Humans have kept dogs as pets for 10k years now, and we owe them more than killing them for blood sport. With the livestock we are killing for meat and use the whole animal and hunters almost always do the same. I feel animals are needed for medical research and as long as there is something to be gained from killing an animal (even a dog) then do it. In dog fighting there is nothing to be gained.

[CheddaNips]

This Thread is so entertaining

[eliteforce]

Blaming humans for the behavior of pitbul-like we all have to take pitbull sensitivity training so we're sure to treat them with the respect and admiration they deserve-for every pitbull attack there is a 'guilty' person behind it, your saying the only pits that are attacking people are the ones that are being trained to fight-untrue, baseless, duh the reason dog-fighters use this breed of dog exclusivly is because it is so vicious, it's clearly a much more dangerous and unpredictable dog than any other breed of dog and as bad as any other wild preditor like a lyon or wolf.

[jon77]

Calling all Pitbulls...... What the fvck is up bytches!!!

[ftony]

Blaming humans for the behavior of pitbul-like we all have to take pitbull sensitivity training so we're sure to treat them with the respect and admiration they deserve-for every pitbull attack there is a 'guilty' person behind it, your saying the only pits that are attacking people are the ones that are being trained to fight-untrue, baseless, duh the reason dog-fighters use this breed of dog exclusivly is because it is so vicious, it's clearly a much more dangerous and unpredictable dog than any other breed of dog and as bad as any other wild preditor like a lyon or wolf.

They have locking jaws! Bullets bounce right off them! And other Bunk about Pit Bulls...
MYTH: All Pit Bulls are mean and vicious.

It is reported on temperament tests conducted by the American Temperament Test Society that Pit Bulls had a passing rate of 82% or better -- compared to only 77% of the general dog population.

These temperament tests consist of putting a dog through a series of unexpected situations, some involving strangers.

Any signs of unprovoked aggression or panic in these situations result in failure of the test. The achievement of Pit Bulls in this study disproves that they are inherently aggressive to people. (Please visit ATTS.org)
MYTH: A Pit Bull that shows aggression towards an animal will go for people next.

"Many working breeds have antipathy towards other animals - coonhounds go mad at the sight of a raccoon, foxhounds will not hesitate to tear a dog-like fox to shreds, greyhounds live to chase and maul rabbits and even dog-like coyotes. Even the ever-friendly beagle will slaughter a rabbit, given the chance.

And yet the greyhound, coon and foxhound and beagle are among the friendliest of breeds towards humans. And it is the same with the pit bulldog. His work through the years has been control of other animals - never humans. A correct pit bull is more often than not submissive toward all humans, and adores children.

A pit bull that snarls, lunges or growls at non-threatening humans is NOT typical of the breed." (Written by Diane Jessup)
Pit bulls that do show aggressive behavior towards humans are not typical of the breed and should be humanely euthanized.
MYTH: If a Pit Bull was never trained to fight, it will be safe with other dogs.

Pit Bulls can live peacefully with other dogs and animals. However, the Pit Bull has historically been bred to take down large animals. Early and continual socialization can help a Pit Bull be more animal friendly. Genetics, however, play an important role in how the dog will respond to other dogs and animals.

A Pit Bull that will fight another dog if unattended is a normal Pit Bull. Even if a Pit Bull does not start the fight, it has the potential to seriously injure or kill a dog once in the fight.

The Pit Bull has been bred to not back down and withstand pain until the goal is met. This quality does not carry true in all Pit Bulls, but it is safe to assume it is a potential in any Pit Bull in order to avoid unnecessary problems.
Pit Bulls have a late maturity, and a Pit Bull that was dog friendly at 7 months old may suddenly show signs of intolerance of unfamiliar dogs around two years old. Spaying and neutering the dog may help to prevent "turning on" the genetic urge to fight another dog.

All dog fights are preventable, however. Socialize a Pit Bull slowly with new dogs, and never let them play unattended. Remove items such as toys and food bowls to avoid stress.
Pit Bulls can live happily with other pets; if not left unattended. Even the "best of friends" can fight, and the outcome may be tragic. This can be true for dogs that have been together for years. Often, after the first serious fight, relations between the dogs are never the same.
Keeping that first fight from happening is a great way to ensure peaceful relations for the long run. If there is a multiple-dog household, it is important to separate the dogs when there is no one home.

Many people use crates for short times, put dogs into separate rooms, use kennels, or have outdoor areas set up for separation that are safe and secure. Pit Bulls can get along wonderfully with animals like cats, rabbits, and ferrets, but for safety's sake, never leave them alone together.
MYTH: American Pit Bull Terriers have 1600 P.S.I. in jaw pressure

Dr. Lehr Brisbin of the University of Georgia states, "To the best of our knowledge, there are no published scientific studies that would allow any meaningful comparison to be made of the biting power of various breeds of dogs.

There are, moreover, compelling technical reasons why such data describing biting power in terms of "pounds per square inch" can never be collected in a meaningful way. All figures describing biting power in such terms can be traced to either unfounded rumor or, in some cases, to newspaper articles with no foundation in factual data."
MYTH: American Pit Bull Terriers lock their jaws.

Dr. Brisbin: "The few studies which have been conducted of the structure of the skulls, mandibles and teeth of pit bulls show that, in proportion to their size, their jaw structure and thus its inferred functional morphology, is no different than that of any breed of dog.

There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of any kind of "locking mechanism" unique to the structure of the jaw and/or teeth of the American Pit Bull Terrier.
MYTH: Treadmills are only used to get dogs ready to fight.

Many responsible owners utilize treadmills to help exercise their dogs. This is useful in places where weather prevents outdoor exercise, or in situations where off-leash exercise in not an option.

The treadmill is used by people that show their Pit Bulls, and do sporting activities like weight pull and agility to help keep their dogs in shape. Because Pit Bulls are athletic animals, responsibly using a treadmill can help them be healthier and happier.
MYTH: Pit Bulls brains swell/never stop growing.

This rumor started with the Doberman, and has since been said about game-bred dogs in general. The concept of an animal's brain swelling or growing too large and somehow causing the animal to "go crazy" is not based in truth in any way.

Their brains grow at the same rate as any other dog, and the only time that a Pit Bull's brain is going to swell is if it receives a serious injury. If an animal's brain were to grow too big for its head, the animal would die.
MYTH: It is unsafe to get a Pit Bull from a rescue or shelter because their past/genetics are unknown.

Under the best of circumstances, it is great to know the history of a dog, the history and health of its parents, and what that line of dogs were bred for.

If a person is buying a Pit Bull from a breeder, this information should be of top importance. However, in most shelter/rescue cases this information is not available. The Pit Bull at the shelter will often be a wonderful pet. It is important to know the general behavior of the dog.

Has it shown any aggression towards humans? Most Pit Bull rescues will not accept or adopt out Pit Bulls with any level of aggression or excessive shyness towards humans. How does this dog do with other dogs? Has it shown any undesirable behavior or habits?

It is suggested that a potential adopter of a Pit Bull bring the whole family to meet the dog. Often, shelters and rescues will allow you to take the dog for a home visit to see how they respond to the new surroundings. Most adoptions of a Pit Bull are amazing successes, and the adopter is not only receiving a pet, but they are also saving a life!
MYTH: It is best to get a puppy so that you can make it behave how you want it to.

Many people feel if they get a Pit Bull as a puppy they can train it to not be aggressive towards other dogs and increase the likelihood that the dog will have no undesirable behavior qualities.

Puppies can be a lot of fun and very rewarding, but with a new puppy there is no way of knowing how that dog will act as an adult.

One benefit of adopting a young adult or full grown Pit Bull is the ability to avoid the uncomfortable puppy behavior stage. This includes constant destructive chewing, house breaking, excessive and uncontrollable energy, teething and puppy biting, possible whining, howling, and barking for attention at night, and the time and effort it takes to begin teaching general manners and obedience.
Another benefit is that an adopter can know how an adult Pit Bull will do with other dogs, cats, children, car rides, and other certain situations. Bringing a puppy up in the most loving and social environment can only alter its predetermined genetic urges so much.

In other words, having a dog since puppyhood does not necessarily mean it will have all of the qualities desired in a pet. It may end up having some traits that are undesirable. An adult Pit Bull, however, will have more of an established personality, and an adopter can know what to expect with the dog.

[ftony]

Blaming humans for the behavior of pitbul-like we all have to take pitbull sensitivity training so we're sure to treat them with the respect and admiration they deserve-for every pitbull attack there is a 'guilty' person behind it, your saying the only pits that are attacking people are the ones that are being trained to fight-untrue, baseless, duh the reason dog-fighters use this breed of dog exclusivly is because it is so vicious, it's clearly a much more dangerous and unpredictable dog than any other breed of dog and as bad as any other wild preditor like a lyon or wolf.

Killers in action,Waiting to make a move:Please Children be Warned!!!! http://www.freewebs.com/crazy8pitbull/

[jerseyboy]

Killers in action,Waiting to make a move:Please Children be Warned!!!! http://www.freewebs.com/crazy8pitbull/

Geezus that's horrible!!

[jerseyboy]

The media says Pitbulls are dangerous killers. It must be true because the media never exaggerates, distorts facts or blatantly fabricates stories to boost ratings.

[ftony]

The real problem in pitbull attacks are dogs that have been bred by backyard breeders.The fact is they were once bred strictly to be "GAME"against other dogs.(NOT TO BE HUMAN AGGRESSIVE)The problem arises when you get some stupid inexperienced dog breeders that breed anything they have from there gene pool.That could be a dog that would be put down by a responsible credible breeder because the dog is human agressive.Now the dog has fighting traits that far surpass the average dog,and the tendency to be unstable and human aggressive from the poor selection of his breeder.Multiply that by some punk that wants a pitbull to be a hard ass.He may get a dog that resembles a APBT but is far from a good example of the breed.He then does not train the dog or socialize the dog,he actually agitates the dog to excite him...bam! And you have headlines...Its Really that simple...Its So important to buy a dog from true lines,if you have had the privilege of owning one or see one,you know exactly what I'm saying....This guy that has only quoted what he knows from the media is brainwashed and stubborn to boot.He is an enemy of kind hearted quality bred family members around the world..

[jerseyboy]

Actually Bulldogs were bred as farm dogs before they were ever used for fighting and even once they came over to America and started breeding the original American Pitbull Terrier they were still used on the farm and kept as family pets. I don't recall Pete ever attacking any of the children on the show The Little Rascals and ripping off limbs. I guess maybe they edited the episode when Petey clamped onto Spankey's arm.

[ftony]

Actually Bulldogs were bred as farm dogs before they were ever used for fighting and even once they came over to America and started breeding the original American Pitbull Terrier they were still used on the farm and kept as family pets. I don't recall Pete ever attacking any of the children on the show The Little Rascals and ripping off limbs. I guess maybe they edited the episode when Petey clamped onto Spankey's arm.

LOL,ya a simplified way of putting it but awsome just the same..

[ftony]

Actually Bulldogs were bred as farm dogs before they were ever used for fighting and even once they came over to America and started breeding the original American Pitbull Terrier they were still used on the farm and kept as family pets. I don't recall Pete ever attacking any of the children on the show The Little Rascals and ripping off limbs. I guess maybe they edited the episode when Petey clamped onto Spankey's arm.

If this thread is going by the time I can make a video clip,I will show you my pups ability to execute commands strictly by sign language...Yep Don't have to say a word....cost Me some money but it was well worth it..

[eliteforce]

i'm sure its a cute video, but none of that means anything-posting pictures of little kids rolling around in the grass with a pitbul or how sweet a pitbul can be..like I said someone who owns a pet lyon can also play around with it in the grass..none of this changes the fact that this breed of dog is much more prone to attacking other people (not it's owners which it knows) and animals than every other dog, they are extremly preditorial and they have a tendency to break out of their confinement and go on a hunt..much more that any other dog..they're generally dangerous animals.

[ftony]

i'm sure its a cute video, but none of that means anything-posting pictures of little kids rolling around in the grass with a pitbul or how sweet a pitbul can be..like I said someone who owns a pet lyon can also play around with it in the grass..none of this changes the fact that this breed of dog is much more prone to attacking other people (not it's owners which it knows) and animals than every other dog, they are extremly preditorial and they have a tendency to break out of their confinement and go on a hunt..much more that any other dog..they're generally dangerous animals.

I am sorry,but you are wrong.Pitbulls are not inherently human aggressive.It has never been bred for such purposes,the ADBA has strict temperament guidelines that are clearly written in there books.What you see and or heard of happening is the "drug dealing inner city bloom" of backyard breeding poor quality and bad examples of the breed.Yes what they are breeding are dangerous but they are not a good representative of the breed,nor have they followed breed temperament guidlines.Its like this.Compare an ugl of today,to a pharmaceutical company.Ask the chemist that works for the pharmacy what he thinks of ugl and how they brew?How is there quality compared to the pharmacy.Maybe you can understand that analogy better,because it is the same thing one makes by highest standards,the other makes to get by and lets quality suffer we all have heard those horror stories...

[jon77]

This thread now officially sucks. The topic has changed. How long are we going to continue this? I've learned so much reading all this bs, that I'm considering raising pitbulls, and "train" them to bite peeps like elite.

[BgMc31]

Back on topic...

I have a question for everyone. Since Mike Vick is officially a piece of shit for fighting and killing pitbulls (poor defenseless animals). Isn't he no different than a trophy hunter. These guys lure defenseless, unsuspecting animals into open areas and kill them. The vast majority don't eat the kill, and the vast majority of these animals are harmless. Also, people don't realize that many racing dogs are killed for underperforming, and so are some race horses. But we don't hear about those. Rodeo roping calfs are slaughtered after the cruel treatment they endure from calf roping after the injuries incurred to the hips and joints of the calfs.

Where does start/end?

I'm not even going to go into it with the guy who says that Mike Vick sucked (5 time pro bowler, 60% winning percentage, yeah, he's horrible!!).

[RA]

I hunt and Ive always hated trophy hunters...unless your going to eat it you have no business killing it.

[ftony]

Back on topic...

I have a question for everyone. Since Mike Vick is officially a piece of shit for fighting and killing pitbulls (poor defenseless animals). Isn't he no different than a trophy hunter. These guys lure defenseless, unsuspecting animals into open areas and kill them. The vast majority don't eat the kill, and the vast majority of these animals are harmless. Also, people don't realize that many racing dogs are killed for underperforming, and so are some race horses. But we don't hear about those. Rodeo roping calfs are slaughtered after the cruel treatment they endure from calf roping after the injuries incurred to the hips and joints of the calfs.

Where does start/end?

I'm not even going to go into it with the guy who says that Mike Vick sucked (5 time pro bowler, 60% winning percentage, yeah, he's horrible!!).

I have never heard of a trophy hunter drown game or electrocute game.Dogs that race and injured are humanly euthenized.What mike vick did was get off on killing his pets that allowed him to do so because he was feeding them...Dont Know your morals but mine says he's a piece of shit..

[Giants11]

I have never heard of a trophy hunter drown game or electrocute game.Dogs that race and injured are humanly euthenized.What mike vick did was get off on killing his pets that allowed him to do so because he was feeding them...Dont Know your morals but mine says he's a piece of shit..

I know what BgMc is saying and he does have a point to some extent.

Dog fighting is obviously very much so frowned upon, case in point this whole Vick saga. However there are certainly many other incidents of animal cruelty out there that go either unnoticed or quite frankly people don't give a shit.

I mean hell, I posted a Washington Post article not too long ago that stated people that worked in slaughter houses were aware that some Cows were skinned alive, killed inhumanely etc....However since those animals ultimately become our food, no one seems to care how they are treated when they are alive.

Is that hypocritical, I think so. But dogs have a special place in American society while other animals are most certainly not defended with the same fierceness.

[kfrost06]

I never understood why a mink coat was considered cruel but a leather coat is o.k.? I think if the animal is "cute" it's treated differently.

[Giants11]

I never understood why a mink coat was considered cruel but a leather coat is o.k.? I think if the animal is "cute" it's treated differently.

Yeah I mean you know somewhere down in Atlanta some woman is getting ready to execute Michael Vick, but when the winter rolls around she'll be wearing her Mink Coat and find nothing wrong with that.

[ftony]

I know what BgMc is saying and he does have a point to some extent.

Dog fighting is obviously very much so frowned upon, case in point this whole Vick saga. However there are certainly many other incidents of animal cruelty out there that go either unnoticed or quite frankly people don't give a shit.

I mean hell, I posted a Washington Post article not too long ago that stated people that worked in slaughter houses were aware that some Cows were skinned alive, killed inhumanely etc....However since those animals ultimately become our food, no one seems to care how they are treated when they are alive.

Is that hypocritical, I think so. But dogs have a special place in American society while other animals are most certainly not defended with the same fierceness.

Dog fighting is only half of this...The Man tortured and killed his own Animals....He Hanged them, he drowned them ,electrocuted them, shot them,he obviously got off on killing them! People defending him don't seem to realize the magnitude of ruthlessness here ...This Goes way beyond just dog fighting.Hes a sick fuk that needs to be punished severly.If he just fought his dogs.Nutured the under achievers and gave them away not to be bred back to his lines, ok.If he even humanly euthanized the animals.I would say OK he's fuked up but people do fuked up things and that would be that.What he did goes way beyond that I'm sorry, I hope he gets 5 years, he deserves it...He Displayed all the scumbag quality's of a true lowlife piece of shit, and then some.Im Sure he made his family really proud of him...Im not going to argue all day about why breeding fighting and torturing ones animals is inhumane,If I need to explain to anyone why its immoral,Hey well something went horribly wrong in your upbringing,and a talk on a forum isn't going to cut it.More like 300hours in a psychiatrist office and some medication might be more appropriate.I can't wait for him to stand before the judge....bigmac Can defend him all he wants its a discredit to him personally for all who has common decency to see..Im not coming down on you giant11 at all I know your just making a point about animal cruelty and how some pick and choose what is. I agree with you...

[jerseyboy]

I guess if I owned a cow as a pet I would be just as sensitive about how they slaughter them. The fact is it does bother me how cattle and chickens are slaughtered but they are bred and raised as a food source. I've given up red meat not really because of where it came from, it just doesn't appeal to me anymore. As for hunting, no I don't like it either. I don't even consider it hunting if your hiding up in a tree waiting for a deer to walk by so you can put a hole in it with a high powered r***e. That's more like ambushing. Sneaking around in the woods tracking your prey is a bit more sporting but unless it's to control over population the only purpose is for entertainment. No offense, it's just my opinion and I'm not going to get into a big debate about game hunting. It's still not as brutal as what these poor dogs went through for someones cheap amusement. Anyone that owns or knows a Pit can tell you what loving animals and loyal companions they can be. For someone to pick one up and slam it to the ground until it's dead or stick it in water and electrocute it isn't just sick it's extremely disturbing. If an individual can display such brutality on an animal what are they capable of doing to a human being?

[Serotonin]

Said on CNN.com that he was suspended from the NFL indefinitely! I hope they don't stray from that decision. That scum should be banned from any professional sport for life.

Hopefully this stigma tears him apart enough that he'll even squander the remains of his money and then not be able to make more. Hell, maybe then he'll even hang himself like he did those dogs.

I'd be happy.

[jerseyboy]

Dog fighting is only half of this...The Man tortured and killed his own Animals....He Hanged them, he drowned them ,electrocuted them, shot them,he obviously got off on killing them! People defending him don't seem to realize the magnitude of ruthlessness here ...This Goes way beyond just dog fighting.Hes a sick fuk that needs to be punished severly.If he just fought his dogs.Nutured the under achievers and gave them away not to be bred back to his lines, ok.If he even humanly euthanized the animals.I would say OK he's fuked up but people do fuked up things and that would be that.What he did goes way beyond that I'm sorry, I hope he gets 5 years, he deserves it...He Displayed all the scumbag quality's of a true lowlife piece of shit, and then some.Im Sure he made his family really proud of him...Im not going to argue all day about why breeding fighting and torturing ones animals is inhumane,If I need to explain to anyone why its immoral,Hey well something went horribly wrong in your upbringing,and a talk on a forum isn't going to cut it.More like 300hours in a psychiatrist office and some medication might be more appropriate.I can't wait for him to stand before the judge....bigmac Can defend him all he wants its a discredit to him personally for all who has common decency to see..Im not coming down on you giant11 at all I know your just making a point about animal cruelty and how some pick and choose what is. I agree with you...

Amen. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[eliteforce]

First of all I think this business of eating what you kill and that makes it somehow morally superior is non-sense, you don't need to eat a dear or quail or whatever you shot, it's not a matter of survival, you didn't need to kill it because your not a commanche living in a tribe and this isn't 5000bc and your gonna kill a buffalo, use it's coat to stay warm, eat it's meat and use it's bones to make your TP-to survive..killing animals is killing animals, you start splitting hairs with this and where does it end? their bread animals or game on a place where hunting is allowed and regulated so not too many of the deer etc. are killed off,
I'm not that insensitive, I don't hunt myself or dogfight, but this is an issue of freedom and common sense..


Also all this stuff about Vick torturing animals is not proven, he hasn't been tried yet, if the prosecutor alleged this, he doesn't know, he wasn't there to see exactly what was done to the animals when they were killed, prosecutors pretty much always overstate their case to the media..

Dog fighting is only half of this...The Man tortured and killed his own Animals....He Hanged them, he drowned them ,electrocuted them, shot them,he obviously got off on killing them! People defending him don't seem to realize the magnitude of ruthlessness here ...This Goes way beyond just dog fighting.Hes a sick fuk that needs to be punished severly.If he just fought his dogs.Nutured the under achievers and gave them away not to be bred back to his lines, ok.If he even humanly euthanized the animals.I would say OK he's fuked up but people do fuked up things and that would be that.What he did goes way beyond that I'm sorry, I hope he gets 5 years, he deserves it...He Displayed all the scumbag quality's of a true lowlife piece of shit, and then some.Im Sure he made his family really proud of him...Im not going to argue all day about why breeding fighting and torturing ones animals is inhumane,If I need to explain to anyone why its immoral,Hey well something went horribly wrong in your upbringing,and a talk on a forum isn't going to cut it.More like 300hours in a psychiatrist office and some medication might be more appropriate.I can't wait for him to stand before the judge....bigmac Can defend him all he wants its a discredit to him personally for all who has common decency to see..Im not coming down on you giant11 at all I know your just making a point about animal cruelty and how some pick and choose what is. I agree with you...

>>>I hunt and Ive always hated trophy hunters...unless your going to eat it you have no business killing it.

[BgMc31]

Dog fighting is only half of this...The Man tortured and killed his own Animals....He Hanged them, he drowned them ,electrocuted them, shot them,he obviously got off on killing them! People defending him don't seem to realize the magnitude of ruthlessness here ...This Goes way beyond just dog fighting.Hes a sick fuk that needs to be punished severly.If he just fought his dogs.Nutured the under achievers and gave them away not to be bred back to his lines, ok.If he even humanly euthanized the animals.I would say OK he's fuked up but people do fuked up things and that would be that.What he did goes way beyond that I'm sorry, I hope he gets 5 years, he deserves it...He Displayed all the scumbag quality's of a true lowlife piece of shit, and then some.Im Sure he made his family really proud of him...Im not going to argue all day about why breeding fighting and torturing ones animals is inhumane,If I need to explain to anyone why its immoral,Hey well something went horribly wrong in your upbringing,and a talk on a forum isn't going to cut it.More like 300hours in a psychiatrist office and some medication might be more appropriate.I can't wait for him to stand before the judge....bigmac Can defend him all he wants its a discredit to him personally for all who has common decency to see..Im not coming down on you giant11 at all I know your just making a point about animal cruelty and how some pick and choose what is. I agree with you...

First I'm not defending Mike Vicks actions. Check my previous posts. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of many on this board and elsewhere. I have a rescued American Bulldog that was used for fighting and he is completely docile around my kids, wife, and our female dogs. Your's and other's anger is misguided in my opinion. No where has it been proven that Mike Vick 'got off' on killing these animals. No where is it mentioned that he 'got off' on torturing this animals. He used similar methods used in slaughter houses (electrocution, shootings, etc.) To Vick and many in the south, Pitbulls and other dogs (particularly hunting dogs) are service animals, not pets. And not all racing horses and racing dogs are put down humanely. Check many websites of rescued sporting animals and you will see how 'ethically' some are treated. All I'm saying is this Mike Vick case has got so many people in such an uproar that its ridiculous. Again, Leonard Little killed a woman in a DUI accident, he got an 8 month suspension and 8 months in jail. There are many worse criminals in the country that get less sentences and create less uproar than Mike Vick. This whole thing is ridiculous. I once heard a saying, "America loves a hero, but Americans love to see heroes fall even more".

As far as his suspension is concerned, I think it well justified, but a lifetime ban is ridiculous as well. His suspension is based not on dog fighting but on gambling. That's just bullshit! I see professional football players every weekend here in Vegas (hell I hang out with many of them) gambling constantly. Anyway, how many actors, politicians, and athletes have gotten in trouble and gotten chances to redeem themselves. Look at Jason Giambi, Robert Downey, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, Bill Clinton, etc. If Mike Vick comes out of prison (which I think he deserves because he did break the law), vows to get involved against the cruelty of animals and gives as much money to this cause as he's done for his Mike Vick foundation (everybody seems to forget what Vick has done for HUMANS with his foundation, and yes he is personally involved), then he deserves the same chance at redemption as the rest of us.

[jerseyboy]

Here we go again. What the **** is wrong with these people?!!

PHOENIX -
Sheriff's deputies raided the home of rapper DMX on Friday, seizing several pit bulls and finding the remains of three other dogs but making no arrests.

The Maricopa County Sheriff's Office received a tip more than a week ago about dogs being kept in inhumane conditions at the Phoenix-area home, said Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

Detectives visited the home and then called one of the rapper's lawyers and told him that the conditions for the animals at the property needed to be improved or deputies would take action, Arpaio said. The dogs were not being fed or given water.

Authorities returned to the home Friday.

The 36-year-old musician and actor, whose real name is Earl Simmons, was not at home during the raid.

Simmons' lawyer, Murray Richman, said Simmons hasn't been in Arizona for at least two months and was "extremely disturbed" to hear the animals weren't being cared for properly.

"We had a caretaker that wasn't taking care, that's what happened," Richman said. "He loves dogs _ he loves these animals. Those dogs are practically his family."

Richman said he hadn't been notified of problems at the property until he learned of the raid Friday. Sheriff's officials said they had contacted another lawyer who works for DMX.

Arpaio said the deputies who served a search warrant at the home Friday seized 12 pit bulls tied up on the property and took them to an old jail that has been converted into an animal shelter.

Deputies found the buried dogs when they dug up the back yard. One had apparently been burned and the cause of death on the others was unknown because the bodies were decomposing.

Deputies also found a variety of firearms, Arpaio said. Authorities sought additional warrants so they could check the guns to determine if they were legal.

DMX's albums include "It's Dark and Hell Is Hot" and "Flesh of My Flesh, Blood of My Blood" and "Year of the Dog ... Again."

[scriptfactory]

I think it's absolutely hilarious how everyone in this thread eats animals that are treated just as bad as these fighting dogs LEGALLY. If you hate cruel treatment of animals then become a vegetarian. If this story was about Michael Vick being cruel to a chicken or a cow no one would give a damn...

What Vick did was wrong, but why should he be punished to exorbitantly for something when worse things are done on ranches around the US on a daily basis? An animal is an animal. A pitbull is not worth more than a cow or a pig just because it's a pet. Give him the normal punishment for these actions, nothing more, nothing less.