The Iranian Threat to America

[Glow2004]

97% KIlls are IEDS U TW{{{S

Unfortunately, I am going to make you look like a complete fool right now.

Point number 1.

US Soldiers Dead: 4,000
US Soldiers Wounded: 20,000

Iraqi CIVILIANS DEAD: 1,000,000

That is since the start of the Iraq war in 2001. Who are the terrorists? How can you even call these people "terrorists?" Terrorism is a TACTIC OF WAR. It is not a person or place. Anyway, the victor has ALWAYS labeled the subjugated people it was attempting to conquer as "terrorists" "traitors" "evil" and the like. I find it laughable that you call these people terrorists yet when we look at the numbers, they have killed 4,000 of our soldiers and we have killed 1,000,000 of their civilians, mostly with the use of BOMBS dropped from the air. Of course, bombing the hell out of them from the sky is a completely legitimate, ok, and "moral" way to fight war, YET!!! when an Iraqi freedom fighter "insurgent/terrorist" uses an I.E.D. to TARGET SOLDIERS fighting in a WAR we have the fu*ing balls to call them terrorists?

THEY WANT THEIR COUNTRY BACK, THEY WANT US OFF OF THEIR LAND THAT WAS INVADED!

Americans are the first ones to claim SOVEREIGNTY whenever the United Nations or some other such organization detests an action of the United States. Yet, when another nation does something we dont agree with, we are the FIRST ONES to try to influence their actions and infringe on THEIR sovereignty. You're hypocrisy is sickening. Neo-conservative rhetorical bullshit!

[Kratos]

I don't agree with modern interpretations of the Koran i think it should be completely revised to account for changes in modern society. It's their land as i stated in earlier posts as the modern sovereign states are descendants of those which controlled the middle east in antiquity. I agree all religions should have access to Jerusalem, in fact i believe Jerusalem should be a state itself similar to the Vatican in Rome free of politics. What do you mean remember the crusades ? Despite what you may think the Crusades was not an attempt to allow Christians access to Jerusalem.

A decentenat of the people who once controlled a land.
I guess I should give my house to the Native American's.

Make no mystake, they hate the Jewish people and it's an assertion of power of the Muslim religion.

We don't belong fighting Iran or defending the Jews imo. The whole thing is screwed up by oil. People have been killing themselves over that land for thousands of years. Getting involved in a holy war is the best excuse we can give them to perpetuate hate for America.

The whole region is so f-ed up, if there is no outside stabilizing force, they'll all blow each other up. Oil keeps America there.

It's my understanding, the Crusades originally had the goal of recapturing Jerusalem and the Holy Land from Muslim rule. Many Christians died for Jerusalem.

[sam_sneed]

Why do you want to go back to school? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16heo...eature=related

Are you seriously referencing a youtube video as a reliable source of information! LMFAO !

I can't watch it anyway on my PC but here's a newsflash. No shred of evidence Iran is enriching Uranium, making all assumptions of a nuclear threat void

[Kratos]

BTW, it must take unbelievable courage / personal belief to be a suicide bomber. Blowing yourself to pieces for what you believe in , in my opinion is admirable.

> The targeting of innocent civilians is unacceptable but attacks on military personnel is fair game.

It's fvcking disgusting and stupid and further proof of the brainwashing this horrible version of the muslim religion is producing.

[spywizard]

Im suprised noone posted an article on this yet...



In my own view, it seems like Iran is provoking the USA to create tensions, but on the other hand is playing it off as the USA creating propaganda. Making USA look like the bad guy while Iran is the innocent person.

Haven't they seem this old photo???

[Glow2004]

Are you seriously referencing a youtube video as a reliable source of information! LMFAO !

I can't watch it anyway on my PC but here's a newsflash. No shred of evidence Iran is enriching Uranium, making all assumptions of a nuclear threat void

you're having a ****ing laugh, mate!

[Glow2004]

Haven't they seem this old photo???

Well that could be the case

[Glow2004]

BTW, it must take unbelievable courage / personal belief to be a suicide bomber. Blowing yourself to pieces for what you believe in , in my opinion is admirable.

> The targeting of innocent civilians is unacceptable but attacks on military personnel is fair game.

what kind of argument is that?

[sam_sneed]

A decentenat of the people who once controlled a land.
I guess I should give my house to the Native American's.

Make no mystake, they hate the Jewish people and it's an assertion of power of the Muslim religion.

We don't belong fighting Iran or defending the Jews imo. The whole thing is screwed up by oil. People have been killing themselves over that land for thousands of years. Getting involved in a holy war is the best excuse we can give them to perpetuate hate for America.

The whole region is so f-ed up, if there is no outside stabilizing force, they'll all blow each other up. Oil keeps America there.

It's my understanding, the Crusades originally had the goal of recapturing Jerusalem and the Holy Land from Muslim rule. Many Christians died for Jerusalem.

Well the Native American has virtually been wiped from the earth by America and it's an issue that like many others regarding America is brushed under the carpet. I don't agree with hatred of Jews at all i hope your not asserting that i do, i simply question the legitimacy of the state of Israel which was created from former British Palestine at Britain's discretion without the consultation of Muslims/Arabs the rightful owners of the land prior to British(Palestine + Lebanon) and French (Syria) imperialism in the area. I agree that without some sort of sustainable peace the region will descend into war as throughout history it always has. The first ever recorded military battle was fought in this area (Egypt/Hittites at Kadesh) and is likely to remain a region of conflict as long as religious tension prevails. Thats why i would advocate an independent Jerusalem free from the sovereingty of any state governed both by Muslims, Christians and Jews.

> About the Crusades, The Pope declared help from European rulers to recapture Jerusalem yes correct but the political reality was rather different. An excuse for expansionism, jealousy of Muslim culture/power (The Umayyad Caliphate was the preodminant world power at the time). The fourth (there were 9 in total) crusade is evidence of this as Europeans actually attacked Constantinople which was a traditional ally of Christianity as part of the Byzantine Empire totally ignoring the aim of regaining Jerusalem just using the crusades as an excuse for plunder. Many Christians massacred Jews thorughout the Crusades particularly the first and had loyalty to their Kings not their religion.

[sam_sneed]

you're having a ****ing laugh, mate!

No i'm not please find some evidence and show me if your correct i will admit so. But youtube and posting pictures proves nothing.

[sam_sneed]

what kind of argument is that?

It's called dying for something you believe in. Military personnel aren't civilians and are engaged in a war so their fair targets.

[Glow2004]

Well the Native American has virtually been wiped from the earth by America and it's an issue that like many others regarding America is brushed under the carpet. I don't agree with hatred of Jews at all i hope your not asserting that i do, i simply question the legitimacy of the state of Israel which was created from former British Palestine at Britain's discretion without the consultation of Muslims/Arabs the rightful owners of the land prior to British(Palestine + Lebanon) and French (Syria) imperialism in the area. I agree that without some sort of sustainable peace the region will descend into war as throughout history it always has. The first ever recorded military battle was fought in this area (Egypt/Hittites at Kadesh) and is likely to remain a region of conflict as long as religious tension prevails. Thats why i would advocate an independent Jerusalem free from the sovereingty of any state governed both by Muslims, Christians and Jews.

> About the Crusades, The Pope declared help from European rulers to recapture Jerusalem yes correct but the political reality was rather different. An excuse for expansionism, jealousy of Muslim culture/power (The Umayyad Caliphate was the preodminant world power at the time). The fourth (there were 9 in total) crusade is evidence of this as Europeans actually attacked Constantinople which was a traditional ally of Christianity as part of the Byzantine Empire totally ignoring the aim of regaining Jerusalem just using the crusades as an excuse for plunder. Many Christians massacred Jews thorughout the Crusades particularly the first and had loyalty to their Kings not their religion.

If anyone here are COWARDS it is those like you preaching how we should appease and kowtow to political correctness and not defend our cities against a possible nuclear strike from those that have threated us with using them. Be they large countries or little ones the threat with nukes is now very real. Cowards are those here that want to turn a blind eye to what is happening and not take action to but a stop to it.

I don't live in fear I live in the real world. I guess you don't remember 9/11 or the hundreds of other terrorist attacks being committed in the world against us by radical muslims?
Not withstanding your opinion and comment the analogy holds, your kind wants to stick their head in the sand while Iran builds a nuclear bomb and pretend it isn't happening.
Just like Germany did when the world KNEW they were rearming and chose to hope they would just use them for parades I guess?

So sure the US has the mightest army in the world that didn't stop 9/11 did it? That didn't stop the bombings of embassies throughout the world or the USS Cole, did it?
Now with WMD the threat takes on a whole new level of seriousness, doesn't it?

Or do you suggest we once again sit back and wait until they hide a nuke in a shipping container and detonate it in one of our cities? Is that your definition of honor?
Sit around and wait for a known and admitted enemy that has declared war on the world, has threatened to use WMD if they get their hands on them (remember Iran is a supplier of muslim terrorists) and has publically stated he believes in a coming apocalypse.

This is how you want to live? Bury your head in the sand (like the world did in the 1930's) and hope that when Iran gets nukes they agree to play nice with them?

Maybe you don't live in a big city so you don't care? Is that it?
I guess millions of innocent lives are not important enough to protect from a maniacal madman that is working towards obtaining nuclear weapons?

As for the Iran/Iraq war (which is not forgotten) isn't it interesting that although Iraq started it, it was Iran that was on the offensive for much of the later part of the war. Iraq used poison gas (A WMD by the way), I wonder what Iran would have done had they nukes at that time?
Any guesses?

This isn't a game Free, these people are religious fanatic's that will stop at nothing to change the world in the name of (radical) Islam.
The threat (not fear) is real and needs to be addressed. I find it sad that people here can't see evil for what it is unless it is explicitly spelled out for them.
Once again the analogy of Hilter applies, he gave militant speeches and yet the rest of the world chose not to believe him. HELLO, do you not learn anything from history?????

[thegodfather]

If anyone here are COWARDS it is those like you preaching how we should appease and kowtow to political correctness and not defend our cities against a possible nuclear strike from those that have threated us with using them. Be they large countries or little ones the threat with nukes is now very real. Cowards are those here that want to turn a blind eye to what is happening and not take action to but a stop to it.

I don't live in fear I live in the real world. I guess you don't remember 9/11 or the hundreds of other terrorist attacks being committed in the world against us by radical muslims?
Not withstanding your opinion and comment the analogy holds, your kind wants to stick their head in the sand while Iran builds a nuclear bomb and pretend it isn't happening.
Just like Germany did when the world KNEW they were rearming and chose to hope they would just use them for parades I guess?

Way to leave out that it's a "terrorist" problem that WE created by our MEDDLING IN THEIR AFFAIRS! If you would pull your head out of your ass and actually listen to the grievances of the people who attakced us, maybe you would have a more complete understanding of the political atmosphere and not the one which is spoon fed to you by your Command or the propagandized rhetoric spoon fed to you by the BBC or Fox News Network.

Osama Bin Laden made it clear why he attacked us. We have bases on their holy land in Saudi Arabia, we continually meddle in their affairs, and we sponsor the state of Israel which commits THOUSANDS of human rights violations against the Palestinian peoples!

Those are LEGITIMATE greivances against our government. They pre-date any terrorist attacks against the mainland of the US/UK. But according to your rhetoric, we can do whatever we please in the name of "stability" or some other such propagandized nonsense. You're probably also of the same crowd who believes people should sacrafice civil liberties in the name of "national security" or "safety."

I am more afraid of YOU then I am of any "terrorists," who in all actuality are combatants waging a war against a country which has more weapons, more troops, more technology, more money, and more power then it will ever hope to achieve. Yet they fight us dilligently to get us off of their land and out of their personal political affairs to which we have NO BUSINESS BEING IN.

In addition, the United States Constitution does not authorize us to have alliances with states like Israel, and it does not authorize us to pursue "Pre-emptive warfare."

Political Scientists use certain lenses of analysis to evaluate threats in international relations. So we can use the realist theory to evaluate your pathetic analogy of Iran to Nazi Germany. The difference between a threat coming from Adolf Hitler and Ahmedinjehad are huge. Whilst Germany had one of the largest and most technologically advanced Army's in the world, Iran does not. If Germany threatened to invade a country or "wipe it off the map" the threat was REAL, because Germany had the CAPABILITY to carry out its threats. Iran in contrast, LACKS ALL CAPABILITY TO MAKE GOOD ON SUCH THREATS. So you're comparison fails any legitimate scientific rational which political scientists use to evaluate these threats. So, it is quite obvious there is some hidden agenda, and it is usually motivated by either money or some religious fanatical agenda (in this case Christian vs. Muslim).





So sure the US has the mightest army in the world that didn't stop 9/11 did it? That didn't stop the bombings of embassies throughout the world or the USS Cole, did it?
Now with WMD the threat takes on a whole new level of seriousness, doesn't it?

Or do you suggest we once again sit back and wait until they hide a nuke in a shipping container and detonate it in one of our cities? Is that your definition of honor?
Sit around and wait for a known and admitted enemy that has declared war on the world, has threatened to use WMD if they get their hands on them (remember Iran is a supplier of muslim terrorists) and has publically stated he believes in a coming apocalypse.

Again Iran lacks any sort of effectively delivery system to carry out attacks on the MAIN LAND OF THE UNITED STATES. That means that it is NOT a national security threat to this country. And that means that we have no legitimate reason under our Constitution to goto war with them. What Iran could possibly do to Israel or other countries in that region, IS NONE OF OUR BUSINESS!


This is how you want to live? Bury your head in the sand (like the world did in the 1930's) and hope that when Iran gets nukes they agree to play nice with them?

Maybe you don't live in a big city so you don't care? Is that it?
I guess millions of innocent lives are not important enough to protect from a maniacal madman that is working towards obtaining nuclear weapons?

As for the Iran/Iraq war (which is not forgotten) isn't it interesting that although Iraq started it, it was Iran that was on the offensive for much of the later part of the war. Iraq used poison gas (A WMD by the way), I wonder what Iran would have done had they nukes at that time?
Any guesses?

LOL....as if either side was justified in what they did. That conflict was also none of our business. It's hilarious that you would bring this war up to try and demonize Iran when it fit your agenda, and make Iran sound "worse" than Iraq. Yet you support invading both countries and killing MILLIONS of civilians and claiming "collateral damage" and when just a few thousand people get killed here, it's time for us to exact revenge on 18 people by killing 1 million. Yea, that makes sense, that is aferall, what you're "God" tells you to do right?


This isn't a game Free, these people are religious fanatic's that will stop at nothing to change the world in the name of (radical) Islam.
The threat (not fear) is real and needs to be addressed. I find it sad that people here can't see evil for what it is unless it is explicitly spelled out for them.
Once again the analogy of Hilter applies, he gave militant speeches and yet the rest of the world chose not to believe him. HELLO, do you not learn anything from history?????

My replies to your baseless warmongering fearmongerng bullshit are in Bold above...

[Glow2004]

My replies to your baseless warmongering fearmongerng bullshit are in Bold above...

You'd better start thinking about the fact that we all live in one planet
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You sound like a bleeding heart liberal.

[Glow2004]

Well with weapons mark coming from Iran.
Explosives coming from Iran.
Training for the terrorists being done in Iran.

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CYA It's 00:33

[Glow2004]

We Will Win!!!

[Nicotine]

i say we should install hidden cameras, give em unlim weapons, and air it as a reality show

[Odpierdol_sie!]

i say we should install hidden cameras, give em unlim weapons, and air it as a reality show

The US has already done that... only basking in the glory and the sheer brilliance of giving weapons and training to them, they forgot to install the CCTV cameras.... D'oh!!!!!

[Fat Guy]

[QUOTE=Kratos;4076250]

WOW… for once you and I agreeQUOTE]

Finding yourself in agreement with a conservative? How does it feel to be right? (pun intended)

Even a broken watch is right twice a day…

[Panzerfaust]

It's my opinion that we should let the Muslims and the Jews fight it out like they have done for thousands of years. Far too much religious passion over this peice of land. The Jewish people of this country would not be too happy though.

You mean these so called Jews who dictate policy in the American Gov't...these so called "Jews" are a displaced people who do nothing but infiltrate and destroy nations from within one by one.

Everywhere they go, there is trouble.

[Panzerfaust]

Those piles of ***t kill and wound our Soldiers in Iraq and have sponsored terrorism around the globe, killing civilians from all nationalities

If Americans weren't in Iraq, they wouldn't be getting shot at now would they?

LMAO @ America invading countries and then getting pissed when American soldiers get shot and killed.

That's like you going into Burma and then are shocked when you are kidnapped and shot.

[eliteforce]

I don't know what the hell your talking about-
"Iran supported Nazi Germany in WW ll. The Arabs supported Germany in WW ll."

Goto any university or high-school and find 1 history teacher that would aggree with that.

Here is a picture of Franklin D. Roosevelt, Stalin, Churchill and several others in Teheran, Iran (November 29, 1943).

http://history1900s.about.com/librar...s/blyfdr98.htm

Are you serious? Iran supported Nazi Germany in WW ll. The Arabs supported Germany in WW ll. They were siding with the Nazi's who were killing US
"bring it on" lets nuke em

[RangersLTW]

Put a walmart and mcdonalds over there. Let them get fat and broke while they are thinking they are getting good deals. I think we should get our soldiers off there land and if we get attacked.........no more babysitting........just pure domination.

[sam_sneed]

We Will Win!!!

LOL!! This guy is a complete nutjob

[Glow2004]

I don't know what the hell your talking about-
"Iran supported Nazi Germany in WW ll. The Arabs supported Germany in WW ll."

Goto any university or high-school and find 1 history teacher that would aggree with that.

Here is a picture of Franklin D. Roosevelt, Stalin, Churchill and several others in Teheran, Iran (November 29, 1943).

http://history1900s.about.com/librar...s/blyfdr98.htm

what u on about man

[Glow2004]

LOL!! This guy is a complete nutjob

Before you take your final step get to know your sex partner

[Glow2004]

I don't know what the hell your talking about-
"Iran supported Nazi Germany in WW ll. The Arabs supported Germany in WW ll."

Goto any university or high-school and find 1 history teacher that would aggree with that.

Here is a picture of Franklin D. Roosevelt, Stalin, Churchill and several others in Teheran, Iran (November 29, 1943).

http://history1900s.about.com/librar...s/blyfdr98.htm

The Aryan League (also National Socialist Aryan League) is an Iranian Neo-Nazi political party. It was founded by former members of the Pan-Iranist Party who left that group due to their racialist beliefs. Their stated goal is to: "To return to Iran and her Aryan people their pride & glorious legacy of six thousand years past. To reawaken and restore the ancient Aryan spiritual & cultural heritage and the total eradication of all foreign elements in the modern Iranian society. To ensure the absolute survival & advancement of the Aryan Race-Culture and the ultimate foundation of a Greater Iran."
The conservative Kayhan and Ettelaat newspapers have reported on the possibility that the NSAL and SUMKA actually originate from the Kabud Party, which was the original Nazi Party of Iran that was said to have been directly supported by Nazi Germany and later banned after the Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran in 1941, but remained covertly active.
Political parties with Nazi or fascist inclinations have been banned in Iran since 1941. Since 1980, Iran has hate crime legislation which makes any type of racist political or social entities illegal.

[Glow2004]

I don't know what the hell your talking about-
"Iran supported Nazi Germany in WW ll. The Arabs supported Germany in WW ll."

Goto any university or high-school and find 1 history teacher that would aggree with that.

Here is a picture of Franklin D. Roosevelt, Stalin, Churchill and several others in Teheran, Iran (November 29, 1943).

http://history1900s.about.com/librar...s/blyfdr98.htm

But it was revived in 1936 was it not? Hitler also allowed Iranian's as Aryan's in his third reich did he not?

[Glow2004]

If Americans weren't in Iraq, they wouldn't be getting shot at now would they?

LMAO @ America invading countries and then getting pissed when American soldiers get shot and killed.

That's like you going into Burma and then are shocked when you are kidnapped and shot.

Stupid comment.

[Glow2004]

If Iran wants to prepare for war with the US, they should take all their military vehicles and sell them on ebay to the highest bidder now, because they're not going to be worth much money once they're all punched full of holes, scorched, and/or disintegrated. They should also take a significant number of their soldiers and start marching them into the sea, it'll be far less messy then the cleanup that'll be required if they try to stand and fight.

Now, on the other hand, if they give every man, woman, child, dog, cat and frog a 2x4 and have them start smacking themselves in the head with them, as they did at Khomeni's funeral a while back, I'm sure they'll win, Allah be praised.

[sam_sneed]

But it was revived in 1936 was it not? Hitler also allowed Iranian's as Aryan's in his third reich did he not?

I'm tired of your rascist views and false history.

Firstly, the picture shows the allied leaders in Tehran in 1943, PROVING Iran did not support Germany during WW2.

Secondly, what the hell are you babbling about 1936 for? And do you even know what an Aryan is ?

Aryan is an ENGLISH word derived from SANSKRIT an ANCIENT INDO-IRANIAN LANGUAGE This group grew to include Romans, Germans,Celts, Slavs and Armenians They are called PROTO-INDO-EUROPEANS YOU YOURSELF ARE A DESCENDANT OF THESE PEOPLE YOU MORON

[Glow2004]

I'm tired of your rascist views and false history.

Firstly, the picture shows the allied leaders in Tehran in 1943, PROVING Iran did not support Germany during WW2.

Secondly, what the hell are you babbling about 1936 for? And do you even know what an Aryan is ?

Aryan is an ENGLISH word derived from SANSKRIT an ANCIENT INDO-IRANIAN LANGUAGE This group grew to include Romans, Germans,Celts, Slavs and Armenians They are called PROTO-INDO-EUROPEANS YOU YOURSELF ARE A DESCENDANT OF THESE PEOPLE YOU MORON

Good lord, who wrote this, a high school kid?

[sam_sneed]

Good lord, who wrote this, a high school kid?

Nope, you need to just get your facts straight. You can't be spewing the views your are with false information.

[eliteforce]

There is alot of extreme-zionist invented propaganda where you can retrieve rubbish like what glow posted in post #67, it's an attempt to somhow link the Arab and Muslim world to 1930's Nazi Germany..none of it can be referenced to any real history-other than a website run by jewish settlers in the west bank.. it's a diversion from Israel's own issues of racism or aphartied or "fascism" ... fascism itself is a word that doesn't really mean anything- a reference to the nazi dictatorship that ruled Germany in the 1930-which by the way had a market economy (capitalist dictatorship), the only difference from other totalitarian govts was this obsession with the Aryan or white race, and race in general; now we have words like "islamo-facism" and femin-fascism..things that don't have anything to do with race

obviously Iranians are not "Aryans" the Germans were refering to northern european people, Germans were "Aryans" and they had "aryan cousins" like Dutch, Austrians, anglo-saxons.. on the other hand even a polish or a slav were not white enough for the Nazi's so it was pretty unlikly that they would have any tolerance for olive skinned Iranians.

[Glow2004]

Nope, you need to just get your facts straight. You can't be spewing the views your are with false information.

Wow thats nearly double of the IQ of Iran's president

[sam_sneed]

Wow thats nearly double of the IQ of Iran's president

Now who looks childish

Iran's President isn't harming you so why are you so obssesed? Once again provide a shred of evidence for your argument.

[Glow2004]

Now who looks childish

Iran's President isn't harming you so why are you so obssesed?

WHAT .LOOK MR IRAN MAN GET FUKING LIFE

[Glow2004]

Irans response will be to photoshop a picture of an attack on Israel, then attempt to pass it off as real...

[Glow2004]

Now who looks childish

Iran's President isn't harming you so why are you so obssesed? Once again provide a shred of evidence for your argument.

We are fighting the Muslim teriorists all over the world now ......LATER IRAN AND IRAQ AND AFGH!!!!....

[sam_sneed]

obviously Iranians are not "Aryans" the Germans were refering to northern european people, Germans were "Aryans" and they had "aryan cousins" like Dutch, Austrians, anglo-saxons.. on the other hand even a polish or a slav were not white enough for the Nazi's so it was pretty unlikly that they would have any tolerance for olive skinned Iranians.

Actually bro, Iranians are Aryans. Iran means "Land of the Aryans" Read my post about the words origin.