Illegal immigration

[Armykid93]

then what "ist" would you call it?

Fascist?
Zenophobic?

You've labeled a certain class of people, prejudged them, and then use that generalization to single people out.

The reality is most illegals are mexican. but when we see mexicans, we often times think "illegal" and act accordingly.

Truth is there are many many mexicans here that are citizens, but they unfortunately get harrassed over these and similar issues.

Mate, when you boil it down, it all comes down to hate and ignorance.

The sober reality is, if you were in their shoes over in mexico, no job, no money, extremely difficult to provide for your family, I guarantee you would consider crossing the boarder in search of a better way of life. I know I damn sure as hell would serioiusly consider coming over here. Family comes first, before anything else. YOU WILL DO WHAT YOU MUST DO TO PROTECT YOUR FAMILY!!

I hate drug users and occupy Portland as well. I have lots of legal friends of all races and I realize many illegals are good people. But many of them to an insane amount of harm to our country. How am I ignorant/? All illegals do hurt our country and many make our lives here difficult. Its not like steroids use where your only affecting yourself. They affect millions of us. America is a great nation where people should come to better themselves but do it legally.

[Armykid93]

The godfather is also a winner. So now to compete businesses have to hire illegals because of course I don't want to work for 55 dollars a day under the table so I don't get jobs they do. People need to stop worrying about hurting peoples feelings. If their country is so bad OBVIOUSLY THEY FVCKED IT UP. Now they need to be adults and fix it. Not rely on our healthcare and welfare programs.

[odi et amo]

I think 99% or more people of the earth are immigrants anyway. I mean the natives are the American Indians are they not? in USA.

[imnotnatty]

Ok hold on, I lived 3yrs in Cincinnati oh, I fixed s few computers for guys who had a kid of land, this one particular guy I know he had illegals working his fields and he absolutely loved them, I asked him if he want afraid and this is what he said, who else is going to work my fields? White ppl only want desk jobs, and ******s, well live off welfare, so he paid then 10$ per hr and they all lived on his land, so for an ambitious racist guy to say he loved his immigrants, there's got to be something there. You say you don't want immigrants taking your jobs, well sir I say, who works take those jobs if not them? I myself am a Cuban immigrant, although I dint think I fall under the illegal alien time because this country protects Cubans and if you touch land you ate automatically a resident, I went to school, I got better graces than most kids born here, I got a few scholarships, went to university, got a master's in telecommunications, started my own business and I have 11 employees, 9 of which are American citizens, I pay a fukload of taxes every year. Please I welcome anytime to tell me how I'm a leech to this country.

[Far from massive]

I can only speak for the illegal/recent immigrants in the US. I live in MD and the US people need to get over this fallacy that its so cheap paying illegal immigrants (in my high tax rate area) $8 an hour to wash dishes is somehow cheaper than paying Joe average $12 an hour to do the same work??? What the public is oblivious to is that Joe average person working for 12 an hour has .6 kids per employee and the average Spanish worker has 2.5 and you can be sure every time his 2.5 kids gets a cold they are at the local emergency room receiving health care as well as every other benefit the that they either qualify for or can falsify...then you get into how much they spend (return to the economy) and the cost continues to rise.

How the lobby groups ever pushed this agenda of cheap labor past the voting public paints a sad picture of duplicity within politics and the naivety of the US populace as a whole.

[austinite]

Wow. Just noticed this thread. Maybe everyone should take a step back, look at your own history/background and then make more informed ideologies.

[Far from massive]

I know a neighbor of mine was bitching just the other day when I was shooting my rifle at some deer in the backyard...told him all my ancestors did it!

Seriously though, I know that my people immigrated legally worked their asses off and strove to learn the language and ways of America and gain citizenship. Further in my families culture we were always taught to live within our means and not to have children we could not support, marriage with kids were a life long commitment. Government money was something one only turned to when all else had failed not something you took advantage of so that you could have all the things others had already ( cars, I phones, houses etc.) it really bothers me that those who come here and have contributed nothing either themselves or their ancestors feel that the government owes them something already.

[austinite]

I really don't oppose anyone's ideology. Everyone is free to feel however they want to feel about immigration. My point is that people complain about immigrants "Not because they're Mexican", but because they don't want to do certain jobs or can't speak english very well, or have bad manners as some have stated...

Well guess what? lol, I have met very very very few fellow Americans that are willing to do anything for work, that have manners and that speak good English. A simple 15 minute trip to the grocery store and I run into 10 idiots I can do without.

So in all honesty, to me, most people complaining about their manners and lack of education are merely avoiding the "Not because they're Mexican" statement, in order to avoid having to overcome objections with respect to racism. People can hide it all they want, all day long... not everyone is stupid enough to believe it. These folks simply found a way to believe it themselves, that they're not racist. Kind of like a liar, who keeps lying constantly until he believes his own lies. Simply in denial, because we're at a stage in life where too many people would object to the ideology.

If an illegal Mexican immigrant pulled ones drowning daughter out of a pool and saved her life, would one spit in his face?

You both bleed red... I love my country, and I hate war. But I also hate soccer, but I'll root for America if they play. That's why I support our troops, even if I think a war is unjust.

Back to securing borders, I would just reiterate what jimmy said, get us the hell out of the worthless middle east and bring them home.

Did you guys know that over 80% of border patrol are of Mexican descent? Did you know that many of them are illegal aliens? Take a drive down to El Paso, you won't understand most of them.

This post was just a ramble, not directed at anyone in this thread.

[Flagg]

As much as I love Australia, I find it's politics very xenophobic.

But its the same everywhere, people that come to Australia to work are often said to be much, MUCH harder working than Australians themselves.

This isn't to suggest that Australians are lazy, its suggests that nationals of ALL COUNTRIES completely take what they have for granted.

[zaggahamma]

I can clearly attest that there are lazy immigrants and lazy nationalists and hard-working of each as well and imo its just another stereotype

Immigration laws should be the same world wide

[Armykid93]

I'm bringing this thread back because I see new faces and I love debates and I love other people's opinions, hearing others thought process has often times helped me form my own opinions! What do you think about illegal immigration?

[RigPig]

I'm bringing this thread back because I see new faces and I love debates and I love other people's opinions, hearing others thought process has often times helped me form my own opinions! What do you think about illegal immigration?

Most of us with decedents from the Old Countries arrived without permission, prospered and gave back to the "new country" properly.
If people are arriving to start new, leaving the shit behind then Welcome.
If you're here to bring your 3rd world baggage with you, bye bye. We have enough of our own shit heads to deal with.
That might be my "white privilege" talking lol.

[Armykid93]

Most of us with decedents from the Old Countries arrived without permission, prospered and gave back to the "new country" properly. If people are arriving to start new, leaving the shit behind then Welcome. If you're here to bring your 3rd world baggage with you, bye bye. We have enough of our own shit heads to deal with. That might be my "white privilege" talking lol.

After I read white privilege I threw up in my mouth little. I should start a thread on that lol

[RigPig]

After I read white privilege I threw up in my mouth little. I should start a thread on that lol

There is one going lol, it was kind of my intent to reference that one as well.

[cgeorgemeow]

America will never do anything about immigration issue, because of the power battle between parties and what corporations are behind each. Simply put Dems want them to vote and not work, Reps want them to work but not vote. Rep. biz owners in Texas love illegal aliens, they hire them in mass. Dems want their kids who are born here to vote for them and take the entitlements they give them as a bribe to vote for them. When ever I worked on rigs I always like being on a majority mexican crew in south texas, they could handle the heat and the work not only that they kept their mouth shut and worked no fights. I worked with a crew of east texans all white, laziest , fattest, most drunk, drug using always fighting worthless rig hands I have ever seen. We literally had multiple investigations for murder at our company from the white hands from east texas, they would cut each others srl lines, push each other off from heights or just kill each other in town. From what I see we need them, but not in the numbers we are getting them.

[wmaousley]

Most of us with decedents from the Old Countries arrived without permission, prospered and gave back to the "new country" properly.
If people are arriving to start new, leaving the shit behind then Welcome.
If you're here to bring your 3rd world baggage with you, bye bye. We have enough of our own shit heads to deal with.
That might be my "white privilege" talking lol.

I couldn't agree more with what you said. I have no room in my life for others (immigrants) religions, cultures etc. If you immigrate to America you best go buy a "How to be American" book for Dummies and read the fvck up. Leave your traditional dress in your country and kiss your past goodbye. The only thing you can bring is your food knowledge.

LOL when I travel back to the states I am on usually a Qatar Airways or Emirates Flight and these flights usually transit from India, so when it lands in JFK, Dulles, Boston etc, the USDA dog teams are forever ripping through the luggage confiscating illegal food, medication and plants. Its as if these immigrants didn't get the god damn memo when they signed up for 'Merica. SO I am usually waiting an extra hour on the USDA/FDA because of these people and its a fvcking burden. I usually get pissed and make comments like (are you sure you aren't supposed to fly into Canada) the they look at me and have no clue how to speak English. Give me a god damn break, learn the language before you come.

What is the criteria now to immigrate to the US? For the most part the Indian immigrants do own and operate their own business when they come to the states/Canada so this makes me feel good to see people are able to come to the states and "live the dream", the main problem I have with immigration is with the freeloaders who come to the US to live off of our tax dollars.

I think 330 million people is enough and we need to stop before we are like China and have so many people that we cant afford to live.

[Armykid93]

Agree with the above for sure. In Oregon illegal immigration has put a massive strain the healthcare system. Pretty sad really.

[lovbyts]

I heard a report recently that the legal immigration is taking 1 - 1 1/2 years longer now due to the backlog because the illegal immigrants get priority.

[Armykid93]

I heard a report recently that the legal immigration is taking 1 - 1 1/2 years longer now due to the backlog because the illegal immigrants get priority.

doesn't surprise me, everything about America is backward these days

[RA]

I say adopt the Mexican policy on immigration. You try to sneak in you get shot.

[RigPig]

I say adopt the Mexican policy on immigration. You try to sneak in you get shot.

Not too many guys would line up to get the job shooting women & children looking for a better, safer life.

[RA]

Agreed bro but we do have to do something eventually. The US is 17 trillion in debt with record unemployment. We are the next Greece...

Not too many guys would line up to get the job shooting women & children looking for a better, safer life.

[zaggahamma]

They can enforce the border without killing em like stated earlier or in another thread its like they dont want to

[RigPig]

Agreed bro but we do have to do something eventually. The US is 17 trillion in debt with record unemployment. We are the next Greece...

I'm not a U.S. Citizen but the 17trlion in debt doesn't come from the Immigrants.
Piss poor management from the top, dirty politics, and continually printing new money to Hyper-inflate the market are all major contributing factors

[RA]

I wont argue with that but at this point we don't need more mouths to feed. The reason Democrats want them so bad is so they can get them into the welfare system. More people reliant on the govt=democrat voters. That just leads to more of the failed policies that put us here.

I'm not a U.S. Citizen but the 17trlion in debt doesn't come from the Immigrants.
Piss poor management from the top, dirty politics, and continually printing new money to Hyper-inflate the market are all major contributing factors

[Armykid93]

I wont argue with that but at this point we don't need more mouths to feed. The reason Democrats want them so bad is so they can get them into the welfare system. More people reliant on the govt=democrat voters. That just leads to more of the failed policies that put us here.

Biggest problem IMO. Failed democrat policies. I got it, we need to help people. But when do we draw the line? I mean holy hell, 17 trillion. That's a lot of greenbacks.

[RA]

US is very charitable but that's drying up too. People just don't have the money anymore. If we have a capitalist market with low taxes then we can afford to be all things to all people again.

Biggest problem IMO. Failed democrat policies. I got it, we need to help people. But when do we draw the line? I mean holy hell, 17 trillion. That's a lot of greenbacks.

[Armykid93]

US is very charitable but that's drying up too. People just don't have the money anymore. If we have a capitalist market with low taxes then we can afford to be all things to all people again.

Don't forget that we have the all time record for citizen leaches.