Why be gay? No religious posts

[gixxerboy1]

DSM if you dont want to answer this i understand. I'm curious since you said you can get turned on by gay porn. Can you kind of check yourself out and get a little excited. Don't know how to word it better. My ex was bi and she would say yea i can look at myself in the mirror and get horny. I'm hot. I wasn't sure if she was screwing with me.

But i figured your attracted to guys you have a naked guy there

[magic32]

With all due respect please don't bring in religion. If you do i will ask for this thread to be locked.

As you request. And I'll delete the post.

But the question cannot be secularly answered, so it would behoove you not to ask such questions.

[mavsluva]

ummm i am living it.

All my life i been surrounded with straight people. I was taught that being with a girl was what males do and i just followed suite. Now how do you explain one day out of the blue me looking up gay porn ? At that time I had no gay influence/friends in my life. So one day I just checked it out and was hooked. I was hooked just like you when you first looked at a porn magazine with your friends and went crazy. Then i felt this attraction pulling me closer and closer. I no longer wanted to just look at guys online/mag but wanted to try things with another guy. i fought my feelings till i could no longer stand it and "gave in."


I tell people that i fought these feelings for years and they nod their heads and say "uh huh" like your being told 2+2=4. It’s not that simple. To help you understand where i am coming from think of it this way. What if i came to you and said hey magic32 i want you to no longer be attracted to/date/have sex with women? You would laugh in my face. Why ? Because you find it ridiculous. You would say but that’s what I am attracted to. The same goes for me. I look at another guy and get the same feelings you get when you look at a girl.

Hope this answered your question.

I hope this maked sense because i have sirius playing in the backround as i was typing this.

Interesting thread. I must commend you on your honesty as well, DSM.

I know what you mean in regards to temptation. For instance, I see a bowl of oatmeal as being the type of food that I'm supposed to desire being that I'm a fitness/workout guru. But then you have this large, warm, tasty cinnamon roll served on a warm plate right beside it. My instinct tells me to eat the oatmeal, but my urge to eat the cinnamon roll is much higher. What I do know is that I can eat either one with minimal consequences as it's my right to select whichever one best satisfies my true desire. However, I know that if I eat cinnamon rolls day in a day out, then I will become just another obese American man.

Is the above example parrallel with what you've experienced in regards to your gay temptations?

Mavs

[DSM4Life]

Interesting thread. I must commend you on your honesty as well, DSM.

I know what you mean in regards to temptation. For instance, I see a bowl of oatmeal as being the type of food that I'm supposed to desire being that I'm a fitness/workout guru. But then you have this large, warm, tasty cinnamon roll served on a warm plate right beside it. My instinct tells me to eat the oatmeal, but my urge to eat the cinnamon roll is much higher. What I do know is that I can eat either one with minimal consequences as it's my right to select whichever one best satisfies my true desire. However, I know that if I eat cinnamon rolls day in a day out, then I will become just another obese American man.

Is the above example parrallel with what you've experienced in regards to your gay temptations?

Mavs

I would eat them both !
I guess that is one way of putting it but seems a little odd to compare your desire for a cinnamon roll with ones sexuality

As you request. And I'll delete the post.

But the question cannot be secularly answered, so it would behoove you not to ask such questions.

Thank you.

DSM if you dont want to answer this i understand. I'm curious since you said you can get turned on by gay porn. Can you kind of check yourself out and get a little excited. Don't know how to word it better. My ex was bi and she would say yea i can look at myself in the mirror and get horny. I'm hot. I wasn't sure if she was screwing with me.

But i figured your attracted to guys you have a naked guy there

I wouldn't say i turn myself on like i would if i was looking at porn online.

[Property of Steroid.com]

Saint Patrick's Day Parade is a celebration of being IRISH , not CATHOLIC as anyone who's been to one could tell ya.

There's a big orange stripe on the Irish flag which says that the Republic of Ireland belongs to ALL Irishmen; Catholic, Protestant, Budhist, or Secular Humanist for that matter.

An Irish gay organization has as much right to march in an Irish parade as the "Loyal Order of Irish Iron Workers", or the "Irish-American Travel Agents Association."

The Supreme Court said that because it's a PRIVATELY ORGANIZED parade, the organizers can exclude anyone they want. It had nothing to do with separation of Church and State.

The SAINT Patricks day parade isn't Religous? Do you know what a SAINT is?

I don't know about this. I like to bang girls and cum on their faces. Should I be allowed to march in the parade with that as my banner?

It's inappropriate, right?

Ok...so then some things, are simply not appropriate at the St.Pats parade, I think, and aren 't in it's spirit.

Sexual preference is not an appropriate topic for a group to march in a heritage - pride situation.

It's not even mildly interesting to most people, and certainly doesn't deserve it's own portion of a parade.

You like to bang dudes? I like to bang Brunettes. "Brunette-Bangers" wouldn't be allowed to march in the St.Pats day parade either.

[DSM4Life]

I don't know about this. I like to bang girls and cum on their faces. Should I be allowed to march in the parade with that as my banner?

It's inappropriate, right?

Ok...so then some things, are simply not appropriate at the St.Pats parade, I think, and aren 't in it's spirit.

Sexual preference is not an appropriate topic for a group to march in a heritage - pride situation.

It's not even mildly interesting to most people, and certainly doesn't deserve it's own portion of a parade.

It is when you are being discriminated against.

[Kale]

DSM, with regards to your title are you including Bisexual's as well. Everyone has a view on Gay's I am interested to here what people's views are on Bisexual men

[therecanonlybe1]

to each his own. as long as what one does has no harmful effects to others. in the end only god can judge.

[DSM4Life]

DSM, with regards to your title are you including Bisexual's as well. Everyone has a view on Gay's I am interested to here what people's views are on Bisexual men

Yes. Most bisexuals face the same daily troubles as gays.

[ImACrazyJewDaddy]

Being gay is looked down upon. When I graduated highschool, 6 friends of mine came out about it. Your harrased like a peice of shit in schools, and public places, and I can see why they didnt come out and say it during school. Its like being mentally challenged(except your not retarded), a reason for other people who think "Im the Shit" to point laugh, make fun of other people who arent the same as them. IM not gay, but me and my best frineds sometimes act gay in public to see what happens....girls talk to us when ever we ask them a question and they never stop talking lol( hence..get their numbers YEAAAA). Go up to a guy,no chance in hell they even consider talking to you if you ask them something, easpically if their with their friends. Im open about everything, and act crazy when i go out..and when im calm and about, people think theirs something wrong with me? I dont think its so much about what you are, but how you act. Im friends with almost everyone, except I cant stand people who are assholes, and bitches who are stuck up.

[perfectbeast2001]

excelent post DSM. Live and let Live IMO...

[BigLittleTim]

Anthony Roberts is just a big ol' silly billy!

WE'RE all at the St. Patrick's day parade drinking Guinness and he's down on his knees venerating the BVM (Blessed Virgin Mary) and sayin' the Rosary.



-BigLittleTim

[ronan the barbarian]

ok..but you(and I), are a spoke in the wheel of the biggest majority there is.. who doesnt know what it feels like to be hated for who and what you are.we never had to fight to be accepted, or even just tolerated. as a straight white guy, what kind of prejudice have you ever experienced? what alienates you? aboslutely nothing. and thats why you dont understand..its not in my experience but i can empathize, and thats why i can.
and to compair what your saying to another public recognition of a specific piece of our culture..there is a black history month right? so why isint there a white history month?

so being ignored by your girlfriends parents,being threatened with your life,punched in the local take away,and one one strange case of the local barber refusing to cut my hair.lol.all because im white living in a majority black neighbourhood doesnt count as discrimination......mmmm.

you dont have to white to be racist!!!!!

as to the second paragraph,your absolutely correct.unfortuanately your right.english people moan to me all the time about paddys day,i just say why dont you make more of an effort with st georges day,but sadly white people(inc myself)are too coward to say 'were white and proud' in case of sounding racist,when every colour and creed on the planet are happy to do so.

in london this week muslims marched saying 'kill the police' with a police escort!!!!!!!what would happen if white people marched saying kill muslims?

[Renesis]

That whole neighborhood thing sounds more like payback :P

[DSM4Life]

so being ignored by your girlfriends parents,being threatened with your life,punched in the local take away,and one one strange case of the local barber refusing to cut my hair.lol.all because im white living in a majority black neighbourhood doesnt count as discrimination......mmmm.

you dont have to white to be racist!!!!!

as to the second paragraph,your absolutely correct.unfortuanately your right.english people moan to me all the time about paddys day,i just say why dont you make more of an effort with st georges day,but sadly white people(inc myself)are too coward to say 'were white and proud' in case of sounding racist,when every colour and creed on the planet are happy to do so.

in london this week muslims marched saying 'kill the police' with a police escort!!!!!!!what would happen if white people marched saying kill muslims?

I think you are a lot more socially acceptable compared to gays. I am not saying that you never get discriminated against but i think you can't fairly compare the two.

[Property of Steroid.com]

It is when you are being discriminated against.

No. I disagree. Your agenda isn't part of the Catholic agenda, and is (frankly) in opposition to it. Asking for acceptance, then saying "I do not accept the fact that your faith does not include my agenda" is logically an untenable position.

You support people's freedom to choose their own agenda, as long as it includes yours? The catholic faith does not support homosexuality, and homosexuals need to accept that, just as they ask others to accept them.

[abstrack]

Anthony Roberts is just a big ol' silly billy!

WE'RE all at the St. Patrick's day parade drinking Guinness and he's down on his knees venerating the BVM (Blessed Virgin Mary) and sayin' the Rosary.



-BigLittleTim

Here's some history for you on what the St. Patricks Days is about

St. Patrick's Day is celebrated on March 17, his religious feast day and the anniversary of his death in the fifth century. The Irish have observed this day as a religious holiday for thousands of years.
On St. Patrick's Day, which falls during the Christian season of Lent, Irish families would traditionally attend church in the morning and celebrate in the afternoon. Lenten prohibitions against the consumption of meat were waived and people would dance, drink, and feast—on the traditional meal of Irish bacon and cabbage.
The first St. Patrick's Day parade took place not in Ireland, but in the United States. Irish soldiers serving in the English military marched through New York City on March 17, 1762. Along with their music, the parade helped the soldiers to reconnect with their Irish roots, as well as fellow Irishmen serving in the English army.
Over the next thirty-five years, Irish patriotism among American immigrants flourished, prompting the rise of so-called "Irish Aid" societies, like the Friendly Sons of Saint Patrick and the Hibernian Society. Each group would hold annual parades featuring bagpipes (which actually first became popular in the Scottish and

Up until the mid-nineteenth century, most Irish immigrants in America were members of the Protestant middle class. When the Great Potato Famine hit Ireland in 1845, close to a million poor, uneducated, Catholic Irish began to pour into America to escape starvation. Despised for their religious beliefs and funny accents by the American Protestant majority, the immigrants had trouble finding even menial jobs. When Irish Americans in the country's cities took to the streets on St. Patrick's Day to celebrate their heritage, newspapers portrayed them in cartoons as drunk, violent monkeys.
However, the Irish soon began to realize that their great numbers endowed them with a political power that had yet to be exploited. They started to organize, and their voting block, known as the "green machine," became an important swing vote for political hopefuls. Suddenly, annual St. Patrick's Day parades became a show of strength for Irish Americans, as well as a must-attend event for a slew of political candidates. In 1948, President Truman attended New York City 's St. Patrick's Day parade, a proud moment for the many Irish whose ancestors had to fight stereotypes and racial prejudice to find acceptance in America.
Today, St. Patrick's Day is celebrated by people of all backgrounds in the United States, Canada, and Australia. Although North America is home to the largest productions, St. Patrick's Day has been celebrated in other locations far from Ireland, including Japan, Singapore, and Russia.
In modern-day Ireland, St. Patrick's Day has traditionally been a religious occasion. In fact, up until the 1970s, Irish laws mandated that pubs be closed on March 17. Beginning in 1995, however, the Irish government began a national campaign to use St. Patrick's Day as an opportunity to drive tourism and showcase Ireland to the rest of the world. Last year, close to one million people took part in Ireland 's St. Patrick's Festival in Dublin, a multi-day celebration featuring parades, concerts, outdoor theater productions, and fireworks shows.

[Property of Steroid.com]

Anthony Roberts is just a big ol' silly billy!

WE'RE all at the St. Patrick's day parade drinking Guinness and he's down on his knees venerating the BVM (Blessed Virgin Mary) and sayin' the Rosary.



-BigLittleTim

1. I was raised Catholic. I don't practice.
2. Are you making fun of someone for being on their knees? Ironic.

[Titleist]

2. Are you making fun of someone for being on their knees? Ironic.

Very witty post, indeed.

[kfrost06]

The SAINT Patricks day parade isn't Religous? Do you know what a SAINT is?

I don't know about this. I like to bang girls and cum on their faces. Should I be allowed to march in the parade with that as my banner?

It's inappropriate, right?

Ok...so then some things, are simply not appropriate at the St.Pats parade, I think, and aren 't in it's spirit.

Sexual preference is not an appropriate topic for a group to march in a heritage - pride situation.

It's not even mildly interesting to most people, and certainly doesn't deserve it's own portion of a parade.

You like to bang dudes? I like to bang Brunettes. "Brunette-Bangers" wouldn't be allowed to march in the St.Pats day parade either.

Good post!

[PeteyK]

its a choice

[Logan13]

Anthony Roberts is just a big ol' silly billy!

WE'RE all at the St. Patrick's day parade drinking Guinness and he's down on his knees venerating the BVM (Blessed Virgin Mary) and sayin' the Rosary.



-BigLittleTim

He didn't knock homos, no reason for you to knock catholics, unless discrimination only counts when it is you feeling the sting of it. If so, that would make you a bigot....

[Logan13]

No. I disagree. Your agenda isn't part of the Catholic agenda, and is (frankly) in opposition to it. Asking for acceptance, then saying "I do not accept the fact that your faith does not include my agenda" is logically an untenable position.

You support people's freedom to choose their own agenda, as long as it includes yours? The catholic faith does not support homosexuality, and homosexuals need to accept that, just as they ask others to accept them.

well stated.

[DSM4Life]

No. I disagree. Your agenda isn't part of the Catholic agenda, and is (frankly) in opposition to it. Asking for acceptance, then saying "I do not accept the fact that your faith does not include my agenda" is logically an untenable position.

You support people's freedom to choose their own agenda, as long as it includes yours? The catholic faith does not support homosexuality, and homosexuals need to accept that, just as they ask others to accept them.

So since the catholic church does not accept/support us they have the right to teach people to hate us and go on to tell them that we live our lives in sin?


p.s
I thought religion was a topic we did not discuss here ?

I would appreciate if you granted me the same respect as magic32 and save the bible talk for someone who cares.

[Logan13]

So since the catholic church does not accept/support us they have the right to teach people to hate us and go on to tell them that we live our lives in sin?


p.s
I throught religion was a topic we did not discuss here ?

Just as you have the right not to believe in what they do, the reverse is just as true. Being a minority does not make you above such recourse. Equals, no better and no worse.

PS, read the new rules, which includes religion..........

[DSM4Life]

Just as you have the right not to believe in what they do, the reverse is just as true. Being a m inority does not make you above such recourse. Equals, no better and no worse.

PS, read the new rules, which includes religion..........

Having the right to believe in something is one thing but teaching others hate towards another human being is just flat out wrong no matter what.


I did just hear about the new rule but i would still ask others to not discuss it here. That is not why i started this thread.

[SMAN12b]

Seriously, who gives a FVCK if your gay or not.......this world is so screwed up anyway, sexuality should be the last thing that anyone worries about...


BE HAPPY, make each other happy, if its with the same sex, so be it!!!!!

[Logan13]

Having the right to believe in something is one thing but teaching others hate towards another human being is just flat out wrong no matter what.


I did just hear about the new rule but i would still ask others to not discuss it here. That is not why i started this thread.

It is not teaching hate of other people. It is standing against the actions that are viewed as immoral, and it is their right to hold these views. They hold the same view about pre-marital sex. What do you care what people think about your choice? Quite frankly, 99% of the population could care less what you, me, or anyone else likes to do in the bedroom.

[DSM4Life]

It is not teaching hate of other people. It is standing against the actions that are viewed as immoral, and it is their right to hold these views. They hold the same view about pre-marital sex. What do you care what people think about your choice? Quite frankly, 99% of the population could care less what you, me, or anyone else likes to do in the bedroom.

whatever helps you sleep at night....


Being that religion keeps getting brought up i am requesting that this thread get locked.

I wanted to go ahead and thank most of you guys for being respectful and open minded in this discussion.

I have had a few guys Pm me and if you still want to talk keep it to pms.

Thanks again guys.

[Logan13]

whatever helps you sleep at night....


Being that religion keeps getting brought up i am requesting that this thread get locked.

I wanted to go ahead and thank most of you guys for being respectful and open minded in this discussion.

I have had a few guys Pm me and if you still want to talk keep it to pms.

Thanks again guys.

I sleep very well, thank you. I thought that we were having a nice, ADULT conversation. I hope that you get your issues dealt with, outside of here.

[x_moe]

Just as you have the right not to believe in what they do, the reverse is just as true. Being a minority does not make you above such recourse. Equals, no better and no worse.

PS, read the new rules, which includes religion..........

actually the rule now about religion is that it can be discussed aslong the title of thread says that its a religion thread, otherwise dont start a religion discussion.

[Carlos_E]

Title edit by request.

[Property of Steroid.com]

It's nice to start a discussion, get argued into a losing position, then ask that the rules of the discussion be changed so you can walk away feeling like you didn't just get beat...

[kfrost06]

LOL! I like how HE brings up religion then asks not to talk about religion.

[Property of Steroid.com]

Why be gay? (Is the title of the thread)

But the answer is really "Who cares?"

I don't tell people I like to bang chicks, so why tell me you like to bang dudes unless it comes up?

[Flagg]

I agree.

Who really gives a fiddlers **** who is gay on and outside this forum?