You want the Gov to stay out of your business? Want to make Gear legal?

[thegodfather]

It will be Clinton/Giuliani........
I will be voting for Mike Huckabee in the primaries, if he lasts that long.......

IF Ron Paul won the primaries, would you vote for him? Do you agree with his proposed policies?

[RuhlFreak55]

which democrat do you think will actually NOT give you a tax hike?

oh they all will.....i just won vote for guliani or any other 9/11 conspiracy involved republican.....and i dunno that one that's not involved is even out there on the ballot

[Scrat]

I know what a straw vote is, and therefore know how insignificant they are..
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08rep.htm
LIKELY voters, which the straw vote does not take into consideration............
"If the 2008 Republican presidential primary were held today, for whom would you vote if the candidates were"
10/14/2007
Rudy Giuliani 29%
Fred Thompson 16
John McCain 12
Mitt Romney 11
Mike Huckabee 5
Sam Brownback 2
Ron Paul 2%
Tom Tancredo 2
Duncan Hunter 1
Other (vol.) 1
Unsure 17
Wouldn't vote (vol.) 3
Newt Gingrich n/a
Chuck Hagel n/a
Tommy Thompson n/a
Jim Gilmore n/a

Actually, there are a lot of flaws in all of the results. In some of those polls Ron Paul's name is not even listed. Also, these "random" polls are not random in that they poll hardcore republicans (i.e. - big business) who definately do not want a president who literally represents the constitution. Also, a lot of the polls were conducted by CNN, USA Today, etc and all of those news sources are owned by big business and heavily influenced by the government. Even the other poll results that are not from news sources are still owned and/or heavily influenced by the government. Don't get me wrong, the results are correct but the methodology is garbage.

[Maldorf]

They just put out this email today about how Ron Paul has been trying to fight the FDAs regulation of the health food/supplement industry.

"October 22, 2007


Discover what Ron Paul has done as a congressman. Imagine what he will do as president.

When health freedom advocates need a congressman to fight against attempts to restrict access to dietary supplements, they turn to Dr. Ron Paul. Dr. Paul is the leader in Washington who is not afraid to fight the powerful special interests that want to limit access to dietary supplements.

When Dr. Paul learned the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) was trying to censor truthful health claims by supplement manufacturers, he introduced the Health Freedom Protection Act (H.R. 2117).

"The Health Freedom Protection Act will force the FDA to at last comply with the commands of Congress, the First Amendment, and the American people by codifying the First Amendment standards adopted by the federal courts. Specifically, the Health Freedom Protection Act stops the FDA from censoring truthful claims about the curative, mitigate, or preventative effects of dietary supplements, and adopts the federal court's suggested use of disclaimers as an alternative to censorship. The Health Freedom Protection Act also stops the FDA from prohibiting the distribution of scientific articles and publications regarding the role of nutrients in protecting against disease," Dr. Paul explained.

Our health freedom is also threatened by attempts to "harmonize" American laws with those of other countries, thus forcing Americans to live under European-style restrictions of dietary supplements. Dr. Paul worked to add language to the 1997 FDA Modernization Act forbidding the FDA from harmonizing our rules with those of any other nation.

The primary instrument of "harmonization" is the Codex Alimentarius Commission, a group of international bureaucrats who are developing "health care standards" for the United Nations and the World Trade Organization. The FDA is an enthusiastic participant in the Codex process.

When Dr. Paul learned the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA) contained language that might facilitate the imposition of Codex's restrictive standards on American consumers, he informed his congressional colleagues of this danger with a series of letters. In addition, Dr. Paul sponsored several briefings on the issue.

More recently, Dr. Paul has shown how the FDA is working with its counterparts in Canada and Mexico on a Trilateral Cooperation charter that could "harmonize" regulation of dietary supplements among the three countries. Dr. Paul led a congressional inquiry into the Trilateral Cooperation, forcing the FDA to go on record about its involvement in the Trilateral charter.

As a congressman for 10 terms, Dr. Ron Paul has fought to protect your health freedom. Imagine what he will do as president.

Donate today: https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/"

[Logan13]

IF Ron Paul won the primaries, would you vote for him? Do you agree with his proposed policies?

yes, I would vote for him if he won the primaries, simply to avoid having a socialist president.

[convalescence69]

Wow, glad to see the thread is still going.
Some updates for you guys:
Ron Paul is scheduled to be on the Tonights Show with Jay Leno on October 30th! That is frikken awesome! that will get him a lot of exposure to the public!
Also, Dr.Paul's fundraising is going really well. He is getting radio airtime and will be buying some tv spots too, thanks to all the campaign contributors.
I think his success with fundraising and the real attention he is starting to get from mainstream media and society speaks volumes about the polls being flawed. As of this evening, he has acquired almost half the money (2.2 million) in less than a month than he acquired in the last quarter, which was 5.1 million. He has more cash on hand than McCain, Huckabee, and all the other lower tier candidates combined, and has no campaign debt whatsoever, whereas Giuliani and Romney owe a few million dollars in campaign debt.
I'm becoming pretty optimistic about Ron Paul's chances at winning the primary.
..........................
On a separate note, for those of you that watched the Fox republican debate in Orlando a few days ago; Ron Paul said "over 70% of americans are tired of the war and want it over with", at this the audience boo'ed at him. I was enraged that people would not only be rude and stupid enough to boo at a statistic, but even more so to think these jerk'offs would boo at anything related to paving the way to peace and ending the war.
After getting royally mad, I contacted my friend in orlando that is an event coordinator for Ron Paul's campaign who was also in the audience that night and told me the story. Something some of you may not know; the other well funded candidates actually have buses of supporters they bus around with them to various other states to show greater strength at their events and have them in the audience at the debates. He also told me that there is a pre debate that is not televised where the other candidates actually get boo'ed (he said Giuliani got boo'ed a lot during the predebate).
I was pretty appalled at this information. The audience at the debates is pretty much paid off in a sense, since they are pretty literally "owned" by wealthier candidates, they are encouraged to cheer for their candidate, and either not cheer or boo for their rivals. I remember saying something earlier in the thread about people treating politics in this country like it was football, and this is a prime example. These sell'out buffoons being shuttled around the country like sheep are like a bandwagon of cheerleaders, televising an artificial show of strength.
Ron Paul supporters are not typically the wealthy class so they can't afford to follow him around the country, nor can Ron Paul pay for a fleet of buses to shuttle them from state to state like Romney does.
To end the rant, I figured this was some information some of you would like to know about.

[dedic8ed1]

Dude, thats awesome, frikken great man! Ron Paul raised more money than McCain last quarter, and that got him a lot of news time, thankfully. Last debate though, they only asked him one question, which really pissed me off, but he answered it well. Here's the clip of that question http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/...stitution.html . Romney says some crap first, then Paul lays the smack down.

Bad fukin ass he's got my vote

[Logan13]

After getting royally mad, I contacted my friend in orlando that is an event coordinator for Ron Paul's campaign who was also in the audience that night and told me the story. Something some of you may not know; the other well funded candidates actually have buses of supporters they bus around with them to various other states to show greater strength at their events and have them in the audience at the debates.

That is standard practise in both parties' debates. Each candidate gets x number of tickets to hand out, and the quantities are not always even.

[Scrat]

If anyone is interested in donating to the Ron Paul campaign visit www.thisnovember5th.com. They are planning a mass donation to get Ron even more media exposure. 11k people have already signed up who will donate at least $100 on the 5th. You don't have to sign up at this site nor do you have to donate $100. But, if you've ever considered donating or you really want Paul to win; donate something, even $20, on the 5th of November.

[cookiemonstR]

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[Logan13]

If any of you think that the President has the powers to make gear legal, you are sadly mistaken. Laws are passed by the legislative branch, not the executive one.

[Dizz28]

If any of you think that the President has the powers to make gear legal, you are sadly mistaken. Laws are passed by the legislative branch, not the executive one.

...but he has a big influence by having the ability to start legeslation banning, or putting tighter restriction on things and vetoing things that might loosen restrictions...agreed?

[cookiemonstR]

Ron Paul is an absolute fool, the only appealing factor he has for me, and ALL members on this board is tied to his decriminalzing steroids , amongst every other drug as well. Do a wikipedia search on him and look at his policies and you'll see what i mean. Everyone is under the impression he is the knight in shining armour when he is more of a Mad Scientist. He wants to turn the U.S into 18th century england.

[Logan13]

...but he has a big influence by having the ability to start legeslation banning, or putting tighter restriction on things and vetoing things that might loosen restrictions...agreed?

do not hold your breath.

[RuhlFreak55]

Ron Paul is an absolute fool, the only appealing factor he has for me, and ALL members on this board is tied to his decriminalzing steroids, amongst every other drug as well. Do a wikipedia search on him and look at his policies and you'll see what i mean. Everyone is under the impression he is the knight in shining armour when he is more of a Mad Scientist. He wants to turn the U.S into 18th century england.

oh bullshit.....

[Logan13]

oh bullshit.....

No one made a statement like that when you expressed your opinion....

[cookiemonstR]

oh bullshit.....

ha! i told you where to look, im not trying to be the naysayer just for spite, but hes nuts, look at his wikipedia bio man and see what he stands for, at least give me something productive to critisize

[AandF6969]

Ron Paul is an absolute fool, the only appealing factor he has for me, and ALL members on this board is tied to his decriminalzing steroids, amongst every other drug as well. Do a wikipedia search on him and look at his policies and you'll see what i mean. Everyone is under the impression he is the knight in shining armour when he is more of a Mad Scientist. He wants to turn the U.S into 18th century england.

Reasons why I like Ron Paul -

1) He agrees with the constitution that says permission from Congress is required to invade a country (declaration of war)... The President shouldn't be allowed to send the military wherever he pleases to do whatever the fukk he wants.

2) He's in favor of civil liberties... which means he opposes the "Patriot" act, federal use of torture, wiretaps without a warrant, etc.

3) He realizes (and isn't afraid to say) that the reason the Middle East hates us isn't because we are free and rich and they can't stand it... they hate us because we have military bases all over their land and we attack their countries for no reason. How would we like it if China did that to us? Chinese troops occupying our country? Oh but George Bush thinks "They hate us because we're free"... OK

4) He supports ENDING welfare for illegal immigrants

5) He supports lower taxes, a smaller federal government, and less goverment spending

6) He supports the rights of citizens to be able to defend their families lives and their properties (concealed carry and gun rights)

Doesn't sound like a madman to me... pretty logical. And last I checked, 18th century England didn't have too many freedoms...

[Logan13]

Reasons why I like Ron Paul -

1) He agrees with the constitution that says permission from Congress is required to invade a country (declaration of war)... The President shouldn't be allowed to send the military wherever he pleases to do whatever the fukk he wants.

2) He's in favor of civil liberties... which means he opposes the "Patriot" act, federal use of torture, wiretaps without a warrant, etc.

3) He realizes (and isn't afraid to say) that the reason the Middle East hates us isn't because we are free and rich and they can't stand it... they hate us because we have military bases all over their land and we attack their countries for no reason. How would we like it if China did that to us? Chinese troops occupying our country? Oh but George Bush thinks "They hate us because we're free"... OK

4) He supports ENDING welfare for illegal immigrants

5) He supports lower taxes, a smaller federal government, and less goverment spending

6) He supports the rights of citizens to be able to defend their families lives and their properties (concealed carry and gun rights)

Doesn't sound like a madman to me... pretty logical. And last I checked, 18th century England didn't have too many freedoms...

they had the F.U.C.K. laws.............

[convalescence69]

Reasons why I like Ron Paul -

1) He agrees with the constitution that says permission from Congress is required to invade a country (declaration of war)... The President shouldn't be allowed to send the military wherever he pleases to do whatever the fukk he wants.

2) He's in favor of civil liberties... which means he opposes the "Patriot" act, federal use of torture, wiretaps without a warrant, etc.

3) He realizes (and isn't afraid to say) that the reason the Middle East hates us isn't because we are free and rich and they can't stand it... they hate us because we have military bases all over their land and we attack their countries for no reason. How would we like it if China did that to us? Chinese troops occupying our country? Oh but George Bush thinks "They hate us because we're free"... OK

4) He supports ENDING welfare for illegal immigrants

5) He supports lower taxes, a smaller federal government, and less goverment spending

6) He supports the rights of citizens to be able to defend their families lives and their properties (concealed carry and gun rights)

Doesn't sound like a madman to me... pretty logical. And last I checked, 18th century England didn't have too many freedoms...

Brotherman, you said it right!
I want this war overwith, it's putting us, our children, and even our grandchildren into extraordinary debt. We're gonna be paying for this for decades. "If at first you don't succeed, you're doing it wrong", favorite quote ever. There are better and easier ways to deal with our situation, concerning terrorism. The current approach is not working, it is going to bankrupt us, and more people hate us now than before = much less safe.
We could use less than 10% of the money we've spent over there to increase our security and intel here at home to prevent terror attacks, without stamping out people's civil liberties.
Social programs are inherently corrupt and wasteful. No one I talk to likes Medicare, not the patients and not the doctors. Social security is getting raped; our leaders dip into it to pay for other social programs, depleting social security so the likelihood us younger people will ever see what we are putting into it is nil.
Not even considering the steroid 's, it should bother all of us that the Gov monitors these boards and acts like a chickenhawk hunting us down to imprison us. The gov wants to datamine, monitor peoples searches on google and peoples IP addresses to catch "terrorists". The "Patriot" Act enables the gov to arrest you, search your home, detain you and your family, without a warrant, just on the "suspicion" you are an "enemy", whatever that means.
His position on illegal immigration, posted earlier in the thread, fantastic. 20 million or so illegal immigrants? WTF!!! That is out'frikken'rageous. Enough posturing, build a wall. I don't blame the illegals for wanting to be here, not one bit. It sucks down there for most people in mexico, I understand that, and I am sympathetic, but if we just ignore the situation and let them all pour accross the border they will make things suck here too. I am not for amnesty, though I really don't know how we'd manage to get 20 million people out, but the first thing to do would be to introduce the flat tax, so at least then those 20 million would be paying taxes, just by consuming while they are here. As it is now, they aren't on the books = no revenue, and we still cover many costs for them which WE who are on the books end up paying for.
I even disagree with Dr.Paul about some things, but I am aware that our foundation is faulty and that we need a clean slate.

[RuhlFreak55]

Reasons why I like Ron Paul -

1) He agrees with the constitution that says permission from Congress is required to invade a country (declaration of war)... The President shouldn't be allowed to send the military wherever he pleases to do whatever the fukk he wants.

2) He's in favor of civil liberties... which means he opposes the "Patriot" act, federal use of torture, wiretaps without a warrant, etc.

3) He realizes (and isn't afraid to say) that the reason the Middle East hates us isn't because we are free and rich and they can't stand it... they hate us because we have military bases all over their land and we attack their countries for no reason. How would we like it if China did that to us? Chinese troops occupying our country? Oh but George Bush thinks "They hate us because we're free"... OK

4) He supports ENDING welfare for illegal immigrants

5) He supports lower taxes, a smaller federal government, and less goverment spending

6) He supports the rights of citizens to be able to defend their families lives and their properties (concealed carry and gun rights)

Doesn't sound like a madman to me... pretty logical. And last I checked, 18th century England didn't have too many freedoms...

everyone pray for him to stay alive long enough that we can vote him into office

[convalescence69]

everyone pray for him to stay alive long enough that we can vote him into office

You know, I am worried about that too... History shows that revolutionary/anti-establishment exceptional people that are popular with the people are usually assassinated... Kennedy (he tried to shut down the Federal Reserve too), MLK, Kennedy's brother Robert:
"Robert F. Kennedy announced his own campaign for president in a battle for control of the Democratic Party. Kennedy defeated McCarthy in the critical California primary but was shot moments after claiming victory shortly after midnight on June 5, 1968, dying June 6"
Thats just to mention a couple people. I'd suspect that if he actually got the nomination, if they don't rig it, something like that might happen. Let us hope for the best.

[convalescence69]

I just nabbed this link from another thread http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...ideoid=9406140 - Great Ron Paul vid
Watch it, you will be angered, frightened, and confused, all in one fell swoop. I F-ing hate Fox news.

[Logan13]

I just nabbed this link from another thread http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...ideoid=9406140 - Great Ron Paul vid
Watch it, you will be angered, frightened, and confused, all in one fell swoop. I F-ing hate Fox news.

That's because you are too young to know any better.

[convalescence69]

That's because you are too young to know any better.

^^^^ Your quote here is called an Ad Hominem argument - attack a person rather than his position. This is the 2nd time you've made mention of my being "young" and how that youth contributes to my "wrongness" on my position. I've never even mentioned on this thread or any other my age, as if it even mattered.
This is the 7th time (yes I counted) you've quoted my posts in this thread to discredit my position.
Leave your disdain for my position at the door for a moment and tell us what is your ideal situation, who is your candidate of choice, why that person deserves our respect, and most importantly, how your candidates positions and ideals are better than Ron Paul's. Give us a point by point comparison (Aand6969 is a good place to start), just to make it easier for my "young" mind to follow.

[Logan13]

^^^^ Your quote here is called an Ad Hominem argument - attack a person rather than his position. This is the 2nd time you've made mention of my being "young" and how that youth contributes to my "wrongness" on my position. I've never even mentioned on this thread or any other my age, as if it even mattered.
This is the 7th time (yes I counted) you've quoted my posts in this thread to discredit my position.
Leave your disdain for my position at the door for a moment and tell us what is your ideal situation, who is your candidate of choice, why that person deserves our respect, and most importantly, how your candidates positions and ideals are better than Ron Paul's. Give us a point by point comparison (Aand6969 is a good place to start), just to make it easier for my "young" mind to follow.

Stating that you hate Fox news is not a position. Sight personal, factual reasons why and we will talk......

[convalescence69]

UPDATE!
Guy Fawkes day!
Someone organized a fundraising drive for Ron Paul today. Yesterday Ron Paul's donations thus far this quarter were hovering around 2.7 million, more than half what he pulled in last quarter.... Today, as of 1:05pm, he has broken 4.85 million dollars so far this quarter! I am astonished. He's raised over 2 million dollars in less than a day! Totally frikken amazing.
I will update the total later this evening. I am anxious to see how much higher it will go. Totally wild, wow. Anyone that wants to see the numbers or even donate some cash go here - http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

[thegodfather]

Stating that you hate Fox news is not a position. Sight personal, factual reasons why and we will talk......

Logan...im only curious but which of his points do you totally disagree with?

You think federal income tax is legal under the constitution?
You think having a national bank that is privately owned is good for everyone??

Im just confused by your position, thats all, and Im looking for some clarification...If you can show me how some of his policies might not be beneficial for Americans or the country in general...Enlighten me...

[Logan13]

Logan...im only curious but which of his points do you totally disagree with?

You think federal income tax is legal under the constitution?
You think having a national bank that is privately owned is good for everyone??

Im just confused by your position, thats all, and Im looking for some clarification...If you can show me how some of his policies might not be beneficial for Americans or the country in general...Enlighten me...

Can you show me where Federal income tax is illegal?

[convalescence69]

Update again!
I went out for a few hours, came back to check the numbers.... 5.7 million now, holy sh*t!
He now has more donations this quarter than he recieved the entire last quarter, also completely slamming McCain's donation numbers.
He has now broken a record for the most online donations in one day ever!
The best fundraising day for anyone so far this election is Mitt Romney, making 3.1 million in one day. With more than 6 hours til midnight and Dr.Paul at 3 million, I expect that record to be broken too within an hour or two. I am astonished, and I give props to any of you that tossed him a couple bucks. This I think firmly proves that those gallup polls are false. Ron Paul supporters are not wealthy people, so there has got to be a ton of them to crank out numbers like this. I will give a final update tonight around midnight to give the final count. Again, if you feel like getting in on the donation action, here is where ya do it https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/.

[convalescence69]

Can you show me where Federal income tax is illegal?

Here ya go: " Congress brought forth the 16th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, the federal income tax amendment, which was allegedly ratified in 1913. To ratify the 16th Amendment, at least 3/4 or 36 of the states had to approve the amendment. There were 48 states at that time. Of those 48 states, only two actually ratified the 16th amendment, and those same two may not have done so legally. In other words, the 16th amendment giving the government the right to tax income, was never made legal. To put this into more simple terms, it is illegal to collect income tax. It has been illegal since 1913.

The government has no right to make you pay an income tax. In fact, it is theft. In 1913, Secretary of State Philander Knox announced ratification by 38 states, but among those same 38 states, there is absolute proof that: The Kentucky Senate voted down the resolution by a 22 to 9 vote. The California legislative assembly never recorded any vote to ratify the 16th amendment. The State of Minnesota sent nothing to the Secretary of State in Washington. The California legislative assembly never recorded any votes which means that no one knows how California voted, if it even voted at all. This all means that the 16th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution was never ratified, meaning it was never approved. So the U.S. Government never had the legal right to collect income tax from its people. "

[Tock]

As I recall, the US Supreme Court ruled against a tax on income from labor around, um, 1920 (give or take a year) . . .

Check out the first 20 minutes or so of this video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...80303867390173

[Logan13]

As I recall, the US Supreme Court ruled against a tax on income from labor around, um, 1920 (give or take a year) . . .

Check out the first 20 minutes or so of this video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...80303867390173

there are several arguments out there by individuals against income tax. As a republican, I'm all for lower taxes, but how will we pay for all of the socialized programs that many of you whine about wanting and many of the Democratic presidential candidates are promising? You can not have the programs without the taxes to pay for them. When it comes time to vote, remember that if you are voting for a Democrat, you are indeed voting for even higher federal income taxes. So if you vote next November for someone on the left, do not continue bitching about federal income tax being illegal. Hell, I'd love to keep my 35%-37% to myself.

[AandF6969]

Fukk social programs.

[convalescence69]

Update!!
Alright, after starting at 2.7 million on the 4th, the final numbers from Guy Fawkes Day are 7.3 MILLION!!!
He made 4.6 million dollars in about one day.... that is a huge wow.
I am astonished.

[convalescence69]

there are several arguments out there by individuals against income tax. As a republican, I'm all for lower taxes, but how will we pay for all of the socialized programs that many of you whine about wanting and many of the Democratic presidential candidates are promising? You can not have the programs without the taxes to pay for them. When it comes time to vote, remember that if you are voting for a Democrat, you are indeed voting for even higher federal income taxes. So if you vote next November for someone on the left, do not continue bitching about federal income tax being illegal. Hell, I'd love to keep my 35%-37% to myself.

I used to think myself liberal, until I got involved in Anthropology and got to see how outrageous the Dem's socialization of the country was and how it was making things worse. Liberal Arts is exactly what it says. Frikken pulpit for lobbyists for more free money for corrupt programs that don't work, giving more handouts to people. One teacher i had was preaching to us how the government is supposed to take care of the people, after showing us a video about malnourished children of disabled parents (all the parents were really really fat, and had several children and none of the parents would work, citing they were disabled). One "family" had 9 children.... WTF!!! The more money you hand out the longer the line becomes with people with their hands out wanting their take. After watching this video and listening to the teachers speech, I needed to have my say, I raised my hand and I said "What about the responisibility of parents to take care of their children?" IT DOES NOT TAKE A BRAIN SURGEON TO REALIZE MORE CHILDREN COST MORE, SO STOP MAKING BABIES!
Bringing children into the world is the most amazing act any 2 people can do, and it is all parents responsiblity to do all they can for them to ensure they have quality, happy lives. Ideally it is a planned act, with great foresight and consideration. Realistically however, we know that most children are accidental, but regardless of this, once the deed is done, the focus needs to be the welfare of the child. Part of this is making sure you can AFFORD the child, that precludes making even MORE of them while you already have your hands full. So, NOTICE TO ALL DUMB PEOPLE WITH MULTIPLE KIDS THAT YOU CAN'T PAY FOR... STOP FUKKING!
/End Rant
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About the income tax paying for the social programs: "the amount of revenue that the IRS generates each year, based on the taxation of personal income, fails to pay for anything in the Federal government budget aside from interest on the national debt. Any monkey can see that this has been the case since the income tax and the federal reserve came into existence with each budget year."
So, the income tax, that rapes everyone, pays only the interest on the national debt (which is over 9 trillion dollars), it pays ONLY the interest, doesn't make a dent in the actual debt, and no money from the income tax goes to paying for anything else, no social programs, nothing.
To further enrage people, the owners of the debt, The Federal Reserve bank, is PRIVATELY owned by businessmen, which is also insanely unconstitutional (one can see how wonderfully lucrative wars are for the owners of the Federal Reserve).
When you hear in the news "President asks for another 100 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan wars", this is where the money comes from, making the debt even larger.
Ron Paul wants to eliminate the IRS, Federal Reserve, and the Income Tax. I say more power to him.
In regards to how things would get paid for; we have tens to hundreds of thousands of soldiers stationed around the world, excluding Iraq. In Germany, Japan, and Korea to name just a few. It costs hundreds of billions of dollars just to keep them operational every year, rotating troops in and out, base maintainance, weapons upgrades, etc. Ron Paul would not only bring the Iraq war troops back, he wants to bring them ALL home. WTF do we have troops still in Korea for??? It's been 50 F-ing years, I say enough, time to come home.

[RA]

Ive always been a libertarian leaning Rep so I like a lot of Pauls ideas but in this time we cant have a pres thats absent from foreign policy like a Clinton. If we werent at war...etc I would vote for him.

[convalescence69]

Ive always been a libertarian leaning Rep so I like a lot of Pauls ideas but in this time we cant have a pres thats absent from foreign policy like a Clinton. If we werent at war...etc I would vote for him.

From Ron Paul's site, about War and Foreign Policy:
War and Foreign Policy
The war in Iraq was sold to us with false information. The area is more dangerous now than when we entered it. We destroyed a regime hated by our direct enemies, the jihadists, and created thousands of new recruits for them. This war has cost more than 3,000 American lives, thousands of seriously wounded, and hundreds of billions of dollars. We must have new leadership in the White House to ensure this never happens again.

Both Jefferson and Washington warned us about entangling ourselves in the affairs of other nations. Today, we have troops in 130 countries. We are spread so thin that we have too few troops defending America. And now, there are new calls for a draft of our young men and women.

We can continue to fund and fight no-win police actions around the globe, or we can refocus on securing America and bring the troops home. No war should ever be fought without a declaration of war voted upon by the Congress, as required by the Constitution.
Under no circumstances should the U.S. again go to war as the result of a resolution that comes from an unelected, foreign body, such as the United Nations.

Too often we give foreign aid and intervene on behalf of governments that are despised. Then, we become despised. Too often we have supported those who turn on us, like the Kosovars who aid Islamic terrorists, or the Afghan jihadists themselves, and their friend Osama bin Laden. We armed and trained them, and now we’re paying the price.

At the same time, we must not isolate ourselves. The generosity of the American people has been felt around the globe. Many have thanked God for it, in many languages. Let us have a strong America, conducting open trade, travel, communication, and diplomacy with other nations.

[MuscleScience]

Wikipedia, the last bastion of truth. LOL

[RA]

So yeah, you gave the longer version but hes a p*ssy like Carter.

From Ron Paul's site, about War and Foreign Policy:
War and Foreign Policy
The war in Iraq was sold to us with false information. The area is more dangerous now than when we entered it. We destroyed a regime hated by our direct enemies, the jihadists, and created thousands of new recruits for them. This war has cost more than 3,000 American lives, thousands of seriously wounded, and hundreds of billions of dollars. We must have new leadership in the White House to ensure this never happens again.

Both Jefferson and Washington warned us about entangling ourselves in the affairs of other nations. Today, we have troops in 130 countries. We are spread so thin that we have too few troops defending America. And now, there are new calls for a draft of our young men and women.

We can continue to fund and fight no-win police actions around the globe, or we can refocus on securing America and bring the troops home. No war should ever be fought without a declaration of war voted upon by the Congress, as required by the Constitution.
Under no circumstances should the U.S. again go to war as the result of a resolution that comes from an unelected, foreign body, such as the United Nations.

Too often we give foreign aid and intervene on behalf of governments that are despised. Then, we become despised. Too often we have supported those who turn on us, like the Kosovars who aid Islamic terrorists, or the Afghan jihadists themselves, and their friend Osama bin Laden. We armed and trained them, and now we’re paying the price.

At the same time, we must not isolate ourselves. The generosity of the American people has been felt around the globe. Many have thanked God for it, in many languages. Let us have a strong America, conducting open trade, travel, communication, and diplomacy with other nations.