You want the Gov to stay out of your business? Want to make Gear legal?

[goodcents]

You just know this thread will get locked

[Dobie-BOY]

good to see that someone else contemplates the things that really matter today. So many people go through life like cows. Walking around with their head in the dirt, following the heard and never taking the time to look up to see whats going on around them. Glad to hear some of us on here can stop chewin grass long enough to see were all headed for the slaughter house if we dont ban together and tear down the pasture fences built by politicians.

[Logan13]

They could have not displaced hundreds of thousands of people off of their lands in 1954, then they would not need support with enemies on 3 sides of their borders. Frankly, I see it as NOT OUR PROBLEM!

we have been through the history of this land already. Why is it that 1954 is the magic year of determining who "owns" this land.........?

[Logan13]

^^^ !!!^^^
Ive never agreed with our relationship w/ Israel. They went and kicked out the people who actually belonged there and set up shop. Now they should have to deal with what they have created for themselves. Like we will have to deal with because of what we created (not perpetuated b/c Iraq didnt attack!). We need to be here focusing on here for our safety. It is like a someone talking shitt about me, talk all you want I wont come hunt you down, hell start working out and learn how to fight and claim you are going to beat my ass, I still wont do anything....come try and beat my ass...see what I do

please do not get your history from blogs. Do some research into the land....remembering that Islam was started in the 6th century.

[thegodfather]

we have been through the history of this land already. Why is it that 1954 is the magic year of determining who "owns" this land.........?

Thats fine, they kicked them out and decided they wanted to own it, I dont really care about the people there, I'm just saying that its not our problem, and we should not be supporting them. Let them deal with the consequences and fallout of their actions.

[Logan13]

Thats fine, they kicked them out and decided they wanted to own it, I dont really care about the people there, I'm just saying that its not our problem, and we should not be supporting them. Let them deal with the consequences and fallout of their actions.

So you are saying "let Israel level the middle east"? Bye-bye Iran, Syria, Lebanon.........

[convalescence69]

Small update:
Ron Paul won the virginia straw poll the other day, and is on track to raising more money than any GOP candidate this quarter. He has raised 10.5 million so far this quarter, which is more than any other GOP candidate last quarter, including Giuliani and Romney. Great news it is!
There is another money bomb set for december 16th, check http://www.teaparty07.com/
During the CNN youtube debate the other night, the crowd spent quite a bit of time booing everyone. I was suprised to see Giuliani and Romney getting boo's, along with McCain. There were some barbs exchanged between Ron Paul and McCain regarding WWII, quite entertaining stuff. Youtube has all the excerpts from the debate if anyone is interested in watching them.
Here is a Wolf Blitzer interview from 12-02- funny thing, they cut off all the boo's McCain got in the vid excerpt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BVzrjSkfww -part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh178-bYxnA part 2

[goodcents]

I like ron paul but never see him anywhere in the news (funny how that works) I saw a beautiful article about how romantic bill is to hillary and how it's been tough, but she is glad they are still together it's nothing but a scam to get the soccer moms vote since their well paid husbands all fuk around too I knew cnn was pro hillary after this was a headline story

ps, we're all fuked so steal, lie and whatever you can do to get ahead, fuk everyone

[convalescence69]

Here are 2 very good vids!:
This one is an interview with Dr.Paul just before we invaded Iraq: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EywYDhPeY8
Here is one that concerns some of us here, check it out! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHS_y94H1Dk
Its wild that we have a guy running that makes this much sense.

[convalescence69]

Tomorrow (Dec 16th) is the money bomb for Ron Paul, it is hoped it will exceed the last one. Donate here https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/
I am anxious to see what happens tomorrow, the last money bomb on Nov 5th was really exciting. Check Dr. Paul's website during the day and watch the number climb. Let's hope for the best.

[Maldorf]

One thing I know Ron Paul would do away with is this damn Alternative minimum tax. Bush is going to veto the new bill again. It is going to hit many households hard this year, I know we will feel it. Bush has to find ways to pay for his war in Iraq, and the forecoming war in Iran that he so much wants.

[Amorphic]

Its just sad that the media will shun Ron Paul because the businesses that own them are scared he will expose the truth about them

[Logan13]

One thing I know Ron Paul would do away with is this damn Alternative minimum tax. Bush is going to veto the new bill again. It is going to hit many households hard this year, I know we will feel it. Bush has to find ways to pay for his war in Iraq, and the forecoming war in Iran that he so much wants.

The AMT has really taken a chunk out of my wallet over the past 3 years.
30 of the "Blue Dog" Democrats "signed a letter this month with 30 other Blue Dogs, vowing to vote against any bill that isn't paid for, even if it is a fix for the much hated AMT." "President Bush has vowed to veto any AMT bill that raises taxes elsewhere." http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_7729142

The Dems do not care about this as much as they would like you to think that they do. If they did, they would stop with the public charades and actually figure out a way to solve this. This Congress is using the AMT as political fodder. The Democrats have unfortunately done NOTHING since taking over the Congress. I was looking forward to the AMT reform, but until we get a Congress that cares more about creating solutions than they do about public political jabs across the aisle, nothing is going to get done.

[thegodfather]

The AMT has really taken a chunk out of my wallet over the past 3 years.
30 of the "Blue Dog" Democrats "signed a letter this month with 30 other Blue Dogs, vowing to vote against any bill that isn't paid for, even if it is a fix for the much hated AMT." "President Bush has vowed to veto any AMT bill that raises taxes elsewhere." http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_7729142

The Dems do not care about this as much as they would like you to think that they do. If they did, they would stop with the public charades and actually figure out a way to solve this. This Congress is using the AMT as political fodder. The Democrats have unfortunately done NOTHING since taking over the Congress. I was looking forward to the AMT reform, but until we get a Congress that cares more about creating solutions than they do about public political jabs across the aisle, nothing is going to get done.

The only way I see this getting done is a non-partisan Congress. I cannot remember the name of the President or founding father who said it, but he basically warned that if strong political parties ever formed in the United States it would be the end of a real democracy. Think about how much shit DOESNT get done simply because one party has a certain stance on an issue, even if they're wrong. If all of the members of Congress just went in as "Americans" and no Republicans and Democrats, so much could be accomplished, but maybe im idealizing here...

[convalescence69]

Update: Dec 16th
From Midnight to 5am this morning so far I've seen the number jump by about 1 million dollars already.

[convalescence69]

Update Dec 16th 1p
lept to 2 million raised so far raised today - he's raised 2 million more than any other candidate in the last quarter with a total of 14.1 million, closest is guiliani with 12.3. Lets see how much higher it goes today.

I am real pissed at the media atm, if you do a search on yahoo news for videos you find "Brothel Owner Endorses Ron Paul". You see them trying to smear him, it enrages me. With this guilt by association shit I should say brushing your teeth is evil because Hitler brushed his teeth. It's no different than the Benoit situation and gear users; some nut kills his wife and kid and he was using test so test is evil.... wtf!

[oneshot]

Great post, Glad i can finally vote this election. he seems to be the only candidate without his head up his ass.

[goodcents]

Thye need to get rid of income tax and the fuked up federal reserve which is not even owned by the government.

[convalescence69]

UPDATE!
Dec 16th 9:20pm
He broke his previous one day fundraising record and the day isn't yet over. Its over 5 million just today with a total of 16.6 million this quarter so far.
I say F*ck the polls, this guy has tons more support than the media is telling people. They are scared sh*tless of Ron Paul.

[Maldorf]

yes. All of us that have been posting in this forum need to step up to the plate and donate today if we havent already. Dr. Paul needs money to get publicity, as the media wants to ignore him.

[convalescence69]

yes. All of us that have been posting in this forum need to step up to the plate and donate today if we havent already. Dr. Paul needs money to get publicity, as the media wants to ignore him.

Yep, now is the time, even if its 5 bucks, go do it, https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/

Lastnight his total for this quarter was 11.8, his total this quarter is now 17.1 million, and the day isn't even over yet, I just sat there watching the number go up and up, 3000 dollars on average every minute. Amazing. Ron Paul has made more today in one day than John McCain made the entire last quarter. Astonishing. He's beaten Giuliani and Romney's fundraising totals too, I am stoked! GO RON PAUL!

Strike that, I just checked, it is at 17.4 million now, just in the last couple minutes... holy f*ck, 300,000 bucks in like 10-15 min, wow

[feanixco]

Yeah....Texas. If Hillary wins we should succeed form the nation.

[convalescence69]

Final Update for Dec 16th Money Bomb

As I check it now, Ron Paul has a total of 18.1 million dollars. He raised over 6 million in one day, smashing his previous record of 4.3 million in one day which in itself was a record breaker.
Anyone here that was part of the Tea Party event, props to you, you kick ass. I am interested to see what the media has to say about this... we shall see over the next couple days.

[convalescence69]

Ron Paul has been excluded from the republican presidential forum in New Hampshire on Fox News on Jan 6th... Other candidates have been invited that are lower in the polls and have generated far less money. This airing is but days away from the primary in NH, obviously they don't want him to get any air time when the NH audience is most likely to be watching.
If this doesn't show Fox's bias towards Paul, nothing does. I am rip snorting mad, I hate Fox. If you are disgruntle too, email them, call them, let them know you are pissed.

[Maldorf]

December 29, 2007


The Iowa caucus and the New Hampshire primary are only a few days away. Wyoming, Michigan, Nevada, South Carolina, Florida and Maine will soon follow. But on February 5th, nearly 20 other states will hold their contests on the same day! That's right. In just six short weeks, the Republican nominee for president will likely be determined.

As Wikipedia explains: "In the Spring of 2007, upwards of 20 states with over half the delegates to the national conventions moved to change their primary dates to 5 February 2008, creating the largest 'Super Tuesday' to date. Newswriters and political pundits have noted that this will dwarf the Super Tuesday primaries in previous cycles, creating a 'Giga Tuesday' or 'Super Duper Tuesday.'"

A year's worth of work is coming down to the next several weeks. Victory can be ours. But we must triple our efforts and triple the amount of money raised right away.

To run radio and television ads in 20 states simultaneously will cost a fortune. Not to mention the cost of voter contact mailings to those 20 states. And then there is the cost of contacting hundreds of thousands of people by phone. All of this, plus other projects, will cost $23 million more than we presently have in the bank.

The progress we've made in 11 months is phenomenal. The dedication, creativity, generosity, and just plain hard work by you and tens of thousands of other Americans have already made history.

But we are not finished making history! First, Ron Paul becomes the Republican nominee. Second, Dr. Paul becomes President Paul. Third, our country becomes America again.

The time is now. Please make your most generous donation today. https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/

Sincerely,

Kent Snyder
Chairman, Ron Paul 2008

[convalescence69]

I am thinking about making another thread about this, but I want to add this here. I would like some feedback. It's about the federal reserve and the income tax. It is extremely informative and even scary. Anyone that doesn't know much about politics and finance/economics, this is a MUST SEE. May be one of the most important video's you watch.
http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/...rt_3_of_3.html

If others are interested I will post the other 2 parts.

[Logan13]

Ron Paul has been excluded from the republican presidential forum in New Hampshire on Fox News on Jan 6th... Other candidates have been invited that are lower in the polls and have generated far less money. This airing is but days away from the primary in NH, obviously they don't want him to get any air time when the NH audience is most likely to be watching.
If this doesn't show Fox's bias towards Paul, nothing does. I am rip snorting mad, I hate Fox. If you are disgruntle too, email them, call them, let them know you are pissed.

There is NO Debate on Jan. 06, what the hell are you talking about?
01/05 GOP on ABC 7pm
01/05 Dems on ABC 9pm
01/10 GOP on Fox
01/15 Dems on CNN
01/21 Dems on CNN

Why in the world do you think that a candidate who is only polling at 4% nationwide deserves to be in a debate at this late hour of the preliminaries?? 4% of the nation can be as mad as they want to be about this, but there is no real news here.... Let's at least get our facts straight!

National polling:
Republican Presidential Nomination
RCP Average
Giuliani21.5%
Huckabee17.3%
McCain15.3%
Romney14.8%
Thompson12.0%
Paul4.0%


Democratic Presidential Nomination
RCP Average
Clinton44.4%
Obama25.2%
Edwards13.0%
Biden3.0%
Richardson2.2%

[convalescence69]

As always, Logan, I can feel your love

Alright, to clarify. I never said debate, I said Presidential forum, reread quote. The forum is 2 days before the primary, a time when last minute undecided's will be watching the news to make final decisions.
A presidential forum is like a debate, however, they do not respond to eachother, instead it is a last effort to get the message out, as each candidate gets to speak their views to the audience for a short time. This is CRUCIAL TIMING, and exclusion shows the true colors of the network.
In response to your polling. Totally flawed, and nearly useless in this situation.
These polls are a couple hundred "likely republican voters" called by phone, this means they are people that voted in the last republican nomination. Ron Paul's main support are new voters, ones that have never voted, or others that have changed their party affiliation just to vote for Ron Paul (I am part of this group), thus, they won't be consulted for this polling.
Ron Paul has raised more money than any other republican candidate, he polls higher in your polls and raised far more money (he's raised 4 times as much as Huckabee this quarter) than other candidates that have been invited. He broke the one day fundraising record. Any one of these things alone is good enough reason to invite him to the event.
Here is a quote from USA daily about my argument:
"The Associated Press reported that a January 6th Fox News presidential forum in New Hampshire, just two days before the first in the nation primary, will exclude Ron Paul. According to AP, Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, John McCain, Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson will all participate in the forum.
The move if reported accurately is extraordinary. Ron Paul, the Republican Congressman from Texas, on December 16th raised more money in one day than any candidate in U.S. political history. Paul has raised more money in the 4rth quarter than any of his opponents and is best positioned financially to win the GOP nomination."

[convalescence69]

Update concerning the Presidential Forum, from Ron Paul's website:
"On December 27, the Associated Press reported: "The New Hampshire Republican Party is sponsoring a forum for Republican presidential candidates on Jan. 6, two days before the state's first-in-the-nation primary." Later in the article, the AP stated: "Participating in the forum will be Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, John McCain, Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson."

On the evening of December 28, Jared Chicoine and Jordan Brown of our New Hampshire campaign staff met in person with Fergus Cullen the New Hampshire GOP chairman to discuss whether or not Dr. Paul would be invited to participate in the forum. Mr. Cullen confirmed there will be an event on January 6, but he could not confirm whether or not Dr. Paul would be invited. We also learned the event would not be a debate with an audience, but instead would be a forum in a closed studio with the candidates questioned only by Chris Wallace of Fox News.

A few hours after that meeting, we contacted Fox News seeking clarification. Later that night, we issued a press release while waiting to hear from Fox News.

On December 29, the Baltimore Sun featured a report by Jason George. Mr. George reported, "Calls and emails to Fox News spokespersons by the Tribune were not returned Saturday evening.

"An official at the New Hampshire GOP, which is co-sponsoring the event with Fox, said that Paul might still be included, but the planning for the debate was still coming together and it was ultimately Fox's call."

As of late afternoon today (December 30), we have nothing more to report.

Kent Snyder
Chairman, Ron Paul 2008"

[Logan13]

TV cuts candidates from debates, angering Paul backers
NEW YORK (AP) -- ABC and Fox News Channel are narrowing the field of presidential candidates invited to debates this weekend just before the New Hampshire primary, in Fox's case infuriating supporters of Republican Rep. Ron Paul.

Fox News says it has limited space in its studio, which leaves Rep. Ron Paul out of a weekend debate.

The roster of participants for ABC's back-to-back, prime-time Republican and Democratic debates Saturday in New Hampshire will be determined after results of Thursday's Iowa caucus become clear.

Fox, meanwhile, has invited five GOP candidates to a forum with Chris Wallace scheduled for its mobile studio in New Hampshire on Sunday. Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, Sen. John McCain of Arizona, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and former Sen. Fred Thompson of Tennessee received invites, leaving Paul of Texas and Rep. Duncan Hunter of California on the sidelines.

The network said it had limited space in its studio -- a souped-up bus -- and that it invited candidates who had received double-digit support in recent polls.

In a nationwide poll conducted December 14-20 by The Associated Press and Yahoo, Thompson had the support of 11 percent of GOP voters and Paul was at 3 percent. Paul's support is at 6 percent in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll conducted in early December.

Paul was tied with Thompson for fifth in New Hampshire in the most recent Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll, each with the support of 4 percent of likely voters. Among all New Hampshire voters, Paul led Thompson 6 percent to 4 percent, but that was within the poll's margin of error.

Jesse Benton, Paul's spokesman, said it was a "big mistake" not to include Paul, especially given Paul's recent success in fundraising. He said the campaign has been trying to reach Fox News to get an explanation for the decision, but its calls had not been returned.

"There very well might be some bias," Benton said. "Ron brings up some topics that aren't very popular with Fox News, as in fiscal responsibility and withdrawing from the war in Iraq ... that does leave us scratching our heads a little bit about whether it was deliberate. Based on metrics, I don't see how you can possibly exclude Dr. Paul."

Some livid Paul supporters are distributing e-mails calling for a boycott of Fox advertisers.

A Fox representative did not immediately return calls for comment about the complaints.

Paul has been invited to a GOP forum that Fox News is sponsoring in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, on January 10, Benton said.

To participate in ABC's Saturday night debate, Republican and Democratic candidates must meet at least one of three benchmarks: place first through fourth in Iowa, poll 5 percent or higher in one of the last four major New Hampshire surveys, or poll 5 percent or higher in one of the last four major national surveys.

ABC News anchor Charles Gibson said the criteria were actually quite inclusive. He defended the network taking the initiative in effectively narrowing the field at a point when no actual voters had cast a ballot, except for Iowa caucus-goers.

"You will have had a year's politicking," he said. "You will have had, I think by count, about 641 debates. You will have had national polls and state polls and one state's vote. I think that's pretty indicative."

Gibson said ABC explained the rules for participation in a conference call with all the campaigns and "nobody said, "How dare you!' "

[Logan13]

As always, Logan, I can feel your love

Alright, to clarify. I never said debate, I said Presidential forum, reread quote. The forum is 2 days before the primary, a time when last minute undecided's will be watching the news to make final decisions.
A presidential forum is like a debate, however, they do not respond to eachother, instead it is a last effort to get the message out, as each candidate gets to speak their views to the audience for a short time. This is CRUCIAL TIMING, and exclusion shows the true colors of the network.
In response to your polling. Totally flawed, and nearly useless in this situation.
These polls are a couple hundred "likely republican voters" called by phone, this means they are people that voted in the last republican nomination. Ron Paul's main support are new voters, ones that have never voted, or others that have changed their party affiliation just to vote for Ron Paul (I am part of this group), thus, they won't be consulted for this polling.
Ron Paul has raised more money than any other republican candidate, he polls higher in your polls and raised far more money (he's raised 4 times as much as Huckabee this quarter) than other candidates that have been invited. He broke the one day fundraising record. Any one of these things alone is good enough reason to invite him to the event.
Here is a quote from USA daily about my argument:
"The Associated Press reported that a January 6th Fox News presidential forum in New Hampshire, just two days before the first in the nation primary, will exclude Ron Paul. According to AP, Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, John McCain, Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson will all participate in the forum.
The move if reported accurately is extraordinary. Ron Paul, the Republican Congressman from Texas, on December 16th raised more money in one day than any candidate in U.S. political history. Paul has raised more money in the 4rth quarter than any of his opponents and is best positioned financially to win the GOP nomination."

Paul's donations have done nothing to increase his popularity among the voters. It is no one's fault that he is polling in the mid-single digits. The numbers do not lie. This summer I told you that straw polls mean absolutely nothing. You can wring your hands all you want, it will not change reality.

[Maldorf]

Paul's donations have done nothing to increase his popularity among the voters. It is no one's fault that he is polling in the mid-single digits. The numbers do not lie. This summer I told you that straw polls mean absolutely nothing. You can wring your hands all you want, it will not change reality.

Arent those polls though only given to registered republicans? Many states are open and you dont have to declare a party. Paul certainly appeals to some democrats as well and one could see some crossing over that wouldnt occur for the other candidates. Polling in states in which the deadline for registering hasnt happened yet would also be inaccurate, as Paul will certainly have a draw on people that are not registered yet.

[convalescence69]

The polls are based off of "likely republican voters", this is a list of voters that voted republican in the last election. MANY of Ron Paul's supporters are first time voters and others that have changed their party affiliation just to vote for Paul, including myself. These people are not being polled.
"Fox's Explanation for Excluding Ron Paul Doesn't Pass
by Steve Kornacki | January 1, 2008
Fox News Channel has listed almost every presidential candidate as appearing in the Republican forum it is holding two nights before the New Hampshire caucus. But they have not listed Ron Paul.

Paul's supporters aren't happy, and Fox hasn't been forthcoming with an explanation. But according to CNN, Fox's justification is that they are inviting only candidates polling in double-digits.

That explanation probably won't, and really shouldn't, appease the Paul campaign.

Fox must have used data from national polls--not New Hampshire polls--to decide which candidates will participate, even though the event is held in New Hampshire just before their primary.

The difference between the two sets of numbers is significant. Paul runs in the low single digits nationally, but in New Hampshire he is near double-digits. More to the point, he leads Fred Thompson in every recent New Hampshire poll, and is just a few points behind Mike Huckabee and Rudy Giuliani. Thompson, Huckabee and Giuliani are all in Fox's New Hampshire debate.

Paul has established that he is factor in the New Hampshire race. Setting a 10 percent standard with national polls seems like a sneaky way to leave him out, especially since the strategy of every underdog campaign (like Paul’s) involves scoring a breakout showing in Iowa or New Hampshire and then expanding support in national polls."

[convalescence69]

I am curious Logan, who are you supporting and why?
All the other rep. guys seem to have an awfully dirty background. Guiliani and his many wives and affairs, Huckabee backing the prison release of a serial rapist and murderer, not to mention these other guys all have their hands in the back pockets of big business corporate special interests. So what gives, man?

[Logan13]

Arent those polls though only given to registered republicans? Many states are open and you dont have to declare a party. Paul certainly appeals to some democrats as well and one could see some crossing over that wouldnt occur for the other candidates. Polling in states in which the deadline for registering hasnt happened yet would also be inaccurate, as Paul will certainly have a draw on people that are not registered yet.

These polls are given to "likely republican" and "likely democrat" voters. Personally, I think that if one's message were that good, you would not need all that money. Funny how Huckabee has been out-spent 20:1 and yet seems to be climbing in the polls.

[Logan13]

I am curious Logan, who are you supporting and why?
All the other rep. guys seem to have an awfully dirty background. Guiliani and his many wives and affairs, Huckabee backing the prison release of a serial rapist and murderer, not to mention these other guys all have their hands in the back pockets of big business corporate special interests. So what gives, man?

If you are happy with half-truths, that's fine. It will be interesting in Iowa tomorrow. Iowa law allows that the supporters of any candidate can re-vote in the caucus of their choosing if their original candidate does not claim at least 15% of the vote.

[Z-Ro]

please do not get your history from blogs. Do some research into the land....remembering that Islam was started in the 6th century.

Logan, this is not an attack as I have not read this thread in its entirety, but what does Islam have to do with groups of people living in Palestine? BTW--Islam rose in the 7th century after Muhammad received his first revelation at age 40. He was born in 570 C.E. (A.D) and died in 632 C.E. (A.D.) and thats when Islam exploded. Their were groups of people in Israel whenever the Jews finally came to the land.

In my opinion, they should share it, I think its the only way they will ever find peace. Palestine and Israel are both just to blame for the current state of affiars there...its sad.

[Logan13]

Logan, this is not an attack as I have not read this thread in its entirety, but what does Islam have to do with groups of people living in Palestine? BTW--Islam rose in the 7th century after Muhammad received his first revelation at age 40. He was born in 570 C.E. (A.D) and died in 632 C.E. (A.D.) and thats when Islam exploded. Their were groups of people in Israel whenever the Jews finally came to the land.

In my opinion, they should share it, I think its the only way they will ever find peace. Palestine and Israel are both just to blame for the current state of affiars there...its sad.

I think that they should share it as well, which was originally agreed to when Clinton brokered the deal way back when. But sharing was not good enough for the Pals. There were Jews in Israel at least 800 years prior to Islam. If people continue to insist on going back to such and such dates, then I believe that we should take it all the way back to antiquity........

[convalescence69]

If you are happy with half-truths, that's fine. It will be interesting in Iowa tomorrow. Iowa law allows that the supporters of any candidate can re-vote in the caucus of their choosing if their original candidate does not claim at least 15% of the vote.

Why are you hiding your opinions about your prefered candidate in the shadows? I've been awfully upfront about Dr.Paul, his positions, and how I feel about it. I believe I've asked you a few times now who you support and why but you still haven't said.
Any politician's positions can be smacked around, but in fairness, why not discuss your reasoning for supporting who you think is best?
For instance, if you like Huckabee, tell me what it is about him that you think is great? I personally like his idea of a flat tax, thats good, but he expedited the release of a convicted rapist and murderer (violent crime!), but opposes the legalization of softer recreational drugs. That puts him on my sh*t list. Romney is a businessman, corrupt, snazzy, and pro war. His comments about "refering to my lawyers" when asked about going to war instead of asking congress frightened me. Giuliani is a cross dresser that invokes "9/11" so much that I feel like tossing my lunch. He's had numerous relationship problems, cheating, mistresses, etc, that have garnered a lot of public attention. McCain, I think, is actually a nice guy that means well, but his position on the war is ill-conceived at best, and I think he is a bit foggy. Nonetheless, he deserves more respect than the other guys, except Dr.Paul in my book.
So, discuss, I want to know where you stand and why. Besides, it makes the thread more interesting to have well developed opposing views.

[Logan13]

IOWA RESULTS:
Dems:
Obama 37.53%
Edwards 29.88%
Clinton 29.41%

Rep:
Huckabee 34%
Romney 25%
Thompson 14%
McCain 13%
Paul 10%